Guild Wars 2

as a engie you have also tool kit and maybe you use elixir S sou you can mitigate a lot of dmg you just have to learn how to use it you have to predict some combos from mesmer but it requires some experiences in pvp for sure ;-) PU mesmer is hard match up but if you are both equally skilled mesmer shouldnt be able to kill you and you shouldnt be able to kill him in 1vs1

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elite specs made by Robert looks and are actually 10 times better and more fun to play than any other specializations made by other devs…….I would suggest to let Robert make all future specializations so every player can enjoy his mains and dont have to reroll because of it.

lover cd rampage

had to stop testing chrono because its not finished yet…..and it was too easy to play and kill players……….with not finished I meant not nerfed yet

Aktium.9506:

Amityel.5324:

Aktium.9506:

5k is low as hell. Dagger auto 3rd chain does 9-10k while being faster as well.

5k last hit from AA is too low? I didnt see 9k last hit from dagger AA even when using everything for zerker in pvp tbh

You never did specify which mode. 5k is pretty decent in PvP, about the same as Life Blast on another zerker assuming PvP stats.

yup sorry I play only spvp so I meant in spvp last hit from AA was for 5500 and number 5 from RS was hitting for 9k

they have to rework greatsword for sure and other weapons also or necro will be just another forgotten class like rangers now……I mean I rerolled to mesmer year ago and now I tried chronomacer and I had to stop it because I dont like to win just because I play most OP class in the game (except cele elies hello)

I still dont get why our elite shout has such a long cd and 2s cast time it should be on 60s cd baseline with 1/2 second cast time…..or 3/4s cast time look at rangers elite root and look at guardian elite shout 24s cd 5s quickness something smells here

Aktium.9506:

5k is low as hell. Dagger auto 3rd chain does 9-10k while being faster as well.

5k last hit from AA is too low? I didnt see 9k last hit from dagger AA even when using everything for zerker in pvp tbh

Narenek.9085:

RS I just love. Maybe the AA could do with a slight damage increase again just to bring our Base AA’s in line with other classes.

with valkyrie amulet you can hit for 5k last AA from RS I dont think its too low

tbh I think when you spec reaper your shouts should have horrific voice cuz my asura shouts are so funny when I should be death bringer I sound like a clown

one tip for you if you run spite take vulnerability from chills (3 stacks from chill) and when you land reaper shroud n5 use n2 charge to get chill aura…….you will stack 25 vulne stacks in no time ;-)

good build for sure I just dont like signet of vampirism…….reaper will bring whole new gameplay tho.

will try to record a video next beta with this tanky build if they wont change something drastically…..

Okay guys I dont know if it will be viable but I used this spec last two days of beta in pvp first in hot joins to test it out and then in unranked to see how it is. I would like to say I am quite experienced on guard (1k games on him) on necro I have 3,7k games but I didnt play it last year. With reaper I finally see light on the end of the tunnel. It has potencial.

I think this build has great sustain you can tank more pple than bunker guardian and you can sometimes even escape lost fight. (Never managed to do that with my guard) So basically you can hold 3 pple on you for some time and then leave a point and go somewhere else or recover and get some help from your team mates.

However I dont say its better than guardian bunker build. It offers something different in term of gameplay.

When you are on guardian you should be with your team mates to support them in team fights, thats where guardians shine.

Bunker reaper however is great to slow down pple and with chills you can stack a lot of vulnerability and fight much more longer alone outnumbered than bunker guardian. If you are teamed up with classes that shares a lot of boons (eles, guards, inspiration mesmers, engies)…..you are basically almost immortal.

And whats even better you can still deal a decent amount of dmg while cleaving thanks to vulnerability stacks, might stacks and dhuumfire.

here is the build: http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgQB3AWsBrQ~
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-3_-3-0-kHFH004;0kJ0;9;9;9;2U3H7X;1IBl3IBl36M

last utility skill I chose was shout you are all weaklings that gives you stability and might stacks…..this shout can give you almost 20% life force when you hit 4 targets (pets, illusions, players etc….) helps you a lot for sustain and dmg.

PU is good vs new players maybe but veterans know how to prevent the stealth burst from mesmer…….I think mogar is right go inspiration for condi cleanses or illusions for better spike dmg…..depends whats your role in team.

illusions is good for some condies you put on your enemy so he can start panic because tbh he dunno whats your condi dmg and he has to use condi cleanses = you forced him to use his CDs and your team will take him down more easily……also reduced recharge on decoy is nice and improved shatters are great….

well so they will basically nerf traits and we will be in same situation as before one build for every class no options…….instead of nerfing buff other traits so pple really dunno what to get because of how good every trait is……and buff other classes that are behind mesmer.

I didnt enjoy killing celes for 1 hour it was really boring pvp

stability anyone?

pple are asking for mesmer nerf because they left mesmers to burst them in team fights and dont focus them ofc they want game where mesmers and thieves are dpsing them doing nothing so they can fight wars with endure pain

people qqing about PU dunno what are truly powerful traits ;-) and PU isnt one of them

yep like any other class?

I can still beat them!!!

nerf my class and i will still burst pple down and they will still call for mesmer nerf
really……I hope ANET balance team has a brain and wont judge classes based on solo queuers and hot joiners

Capito.2046:

For me:
1)Mesmer (OP burst+interrupt+Survability+Stealth all the time)

that epic inspiration (survivebility) domination(interupts) chaos (stealth) dueling build…….oh wait its 4 trees and you can have only 3

dank.3680:

When I feel like I cannot give up a trait for anything else, to me that says something is too strong.

PU is a must have, and the only reason is the stealth duration. I mean, 6s on decoy’s and 10 on MI? lol you would dumb not to include it in any build and no GM trait in the Mesmer tree can compete.

Well you think this way…….I consider immobilize on interupt way stronger than PU in team play….

Aomine.5012:

If you can’t elaborate as to how you counter Mesmer easily instead of saying “there must be a way, but I don’t know yet”, then your words have no merits at all.

ele seems to be really nice counter to mes

did you see someone using that signet elite? 180s cd is really mad for skill that has 4s cast time imo

if chronomancer will be bad for pvp I wont buy it for sure there is nothing for pvpers

Archaon.9524:

Because this game is not designed for deathmatch (Too much spammable stuff to make it anywhere near skilled)

Well zerg vs zerg heroes usually love deathmatch tho…since they have no idea on how to rotate, tactics and so on…

is it bad those zerg vs zerg heroes want something to have fun with? Its not that hard to make 3 deathmatch arenas 2vs2 3vs3 and queue for it…..I think many pple would play that

guardian shield is really useless I thought they will buff it way better than reducing cds

ResJudicator.7916:

I think all that needs to be done is that summoning a phantasm should count as a regular attack (i.e. break stealth + apply revealed).

And blocking/blinding/dodging an attack should also cause the attacker to drop out of stealth (but without the revealed debuff).

but if thief attacks you and you have block aegis etc he is not revealed too

well before patch I met thief who had almost perma evade nobody could hit him even with mesmer gs 1 autoattack and now thieves are crying mesmer is viable choice over them

mantra build is great even with 3 mantras (mantra of pain <3) but its not that great for solo playing. It shines in premades

:D if PU mesmers are so OP why Helseth supcutie and other top tier mesmers are not playing it? Its OP only in solo queues vs bad players…..I must admit its easiest and most rewarding mesmers build tho…..

I love deathmatch and coutyard but its bad map for deathmatch……i hope they will introduce more deathmatch maps and 2vs2 3vs3 arenas

I gave a condi mesmer a try yesterday and today……even after the nerf its quite viable spec for 1vs1 1vs2 2vs2 any bigger fight it is getting useless and power will be superior…..if they would revert nerf on torment it could be option to play vs power mesmer tho

necro will always suck because class has major flaws in design and anet wont change it…..unless there will be 2vs2 3vs3 arenase necro wont be used in pvp teams…….I played 3500 games as a necro untill I rerolled to mesmer/guard year ago

PowerBottom.5796:

- Engi is OP cuz of a bug, otherwise it’s fine.
- Mesmer isn’t OP
- War isn’t OP, Rampage might be a bit strong, but there are more than enough counters.
- Guard OP? Haven’t heard that one before…. It’s definitely still viable, both as DPS and Support/Bunker, but not OP
- Condi-Necro is IMHO viable now in teamfights, cuz of unholy martyr, but not OP.

I play Ele myself and have played and tested out tons of builds on all the classes and the only thing I think is currently way over the top is S/D-Ele. D/X is too easy to interrupt (the crucial skills) and is melee only, which is a pretty big deal on many maps to be considered OP IMHO.

you didnt get my point obviously man you are saying almost the same I did just in other way

FlawlezZ.3178:

you can use mesmer signet (with 180 seconds cd tho)

144 if traited so ye it can be counter for wars rampage

FlawlezZ.3178:

not when 3 classes are missing.

nobody played them before in meta so they decided not to change it obviously

Holl.3109:

THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO USE WELLS 101 GUIDE BY HOLLTS

So ppl here are a little misinformed imo…. wells are great but can be useless. Of course dropping them at your feet will not change anything in a fight. So how DO you land your wells?! Here’s how:

1) USE CC – Immob, fear, chill, knockdown etc .
No one is gonna stay in your wells voluntarily, so you have to make them. Chain CC’s to keep ’em where ya want, what I do is wait until they have blown some cleanses and use Tainted Shackles > Dagger 3 > WoSuffering > Dagger AA.
Simple and effective, how I like it.

2) REZZING/STOMPING – If people are not moving…
Anyway who is rezzing or stomping will not move for ~3 secs and that is the perfect time to drop some wells. In the beginning of this video you can see them all rezzing the necro… dropped WoCorruption and Suffering and we got a pentakill

3) Don’t just blow ‘em! – Wells are not as good in 1v1’s
In 1v1’s use them VERY carefully because one dodge and they are out. Use CC and drop wells if you know you can get 2+ ticks in. That is enough IMO.

4) Suprise! – Use them unexpectedly
Is someone chasing you? Drop a well behinf you, turn back, spam dat dagger AA and take half of his HP.

There is more!
The pre patch meta necro build was with double wells, one extra (Well of Power, which is not about hitting people) shouldn’t make it any different. So you have 2 wells you have to actually hit… and you have enough CC for that.

28 sec CD? Aw yea!
WoSuffering is quite spamable with 28 sec CD, use it often to get some breathing room or proc some necro stuff

Hope this helped

nice guide but eventhough you immobilize someone in wells some classes have nice escape mechanics blink/shadowstep/bow skill 5 for thief/staff number 2 for mesmer/ lightening flash for ele/war can break immobilize on any moving skill/ guard can cleanse easily with f2 etc

dunno I have to admit necros and rangers dont shine as much as others

engie OP
mesmer OP
ele OP
war OP
guard OP
condi necro OP?

seriously guys…….if everybody whines about almost every class then guess what we have balanced game

yup before the nerf i was actually playing condi mesmer after nerf i had to go back to power shatter

bad build sorry

:D this is why I dont play www……pple without brain……what if they wont stay in those wells? You get nothing you waste your wells/dmg/life gain and you are feeeeked up

nope just nerf it

Its too OP basically 3 pple focusing necro for 1 min while he was in DS out and DS out…..too OP you should balance it ANET

Forsaker was always noob…..I watched his stream twice until I realized it

:D I have mesmer guard and engie I can tell you medi guard with mace/focus + GS with honor/virtues/valor can beat any mesmer