Guild Wars 2

I have an alarm like bug from time to time.

That necro at start should uninstall.
Im amazed at those blinks. How the hell can u blink on top of stairs from side!? Watched it 100 times and still cant get it. Even made sure its not vid assembled in that way.

Baladir.2736:

Lol. But he does have a point Bond. One has to wonder why the game has no 1v1 option like duel availalbe. It certainly appears each of the professions have some glaring weaknesses which are exposed when 1v1 with at least one other profession.

I for one don’t expect the devs to have created the ele profession to be everything. Everything would be:
1) 1v1 on par with every other class
2) aoe dps leader
3) party healing leader
4) tank
5) single target dps leader
6) crowd control specialist
7) combo fields and finishers for party boons and mob effects
8) burst dps leader
9) condition dps leader
10) the list goes on
11) ranged aoe dps leader
12) ranged single target dps leader
13) the list goes on

However, players have done a pretty good job of scoring well in all of these catagories with the seemingly endless variety of builds they have created. To simply dismiss a class because they may not be on par 1v1 with every other profession’s possible build is ridiculous. That ignores every other aspect of the elemental profession’s contribution to the game.

No he does not. He’s implying there is no 1v1 in mmo. I see 1vs1 in wvw constantly, it keeps happening in spvp as well. There isnt a single game in spvp that doesnt have 1vs1 happening (yes, i am claiming pvp exists outside zergs). The fact that he claims thief exists for 1vs1 contradicts his statement completly. And lets not forget that this “1vs1 thief” has pretty good ranged aoe as well.

Do something about it? How exactly? It was pretty much insta damage. Not much you can do vs that except dodging when you think thief might attack.. and thats kinda dumb since ure limited with # of dodges.

Wow some are bad thiefs here. Unable to play in PvE (!!!) without ONEhitting creeps. I play S/P and the speed of farming/survivability is insane.
In pvp.. i know, it must be tough for scrubs when enemy is still standing after ONE hit that he pretty much couldnt prevent ever. Dont worry, you will not be missed at all.

“it’s an mmo bond, if you’re in a 1v1 you’re doing it wrong.”
Worst excuse ever. They might as well delete all but guardian and ele than.

Also karma sets. 46k karma for one.

@dervim
Its called dodging.. something the target of that bs cant pull of with you pumping those numbers.. He just dies in 1s. Go play ele, its great for practicing survivability.

@zplus
You are not a bs thief yet you whine how ONE attack was “nerfed” and other 4 buffed?

As i said.. full inquest like gear (combined dungeon/karma gear for same stats) and thief kills me in 2s flat before i realise im even beeing attacked by thief. I rolled thief now and knowing how thief plays and its dps i still dont see how to survive that burst. Sure if he fails miserably hitting his skills i got a chance since he’ll be starved of points… but this isnt a discussion about dumb thiefs.

And fyi all prof should be able to 1vs1… else its a fail balance. Buff to d/d clearly shows its intended to fight that way as well.

Because 18k dmg should be possible… right. Thats INSTA death for all squishies regardless of their build. I know, rolled thief after i got fed up getting my bunker ele 1 shoted from full hp.

theonewhoknocks.8641:

Bond.4813:

Than you played vs idiots. And since #2 wasnt instantly avaible after downed they should have had loads of time to move.

Everyone always comes in for the stomp, asks questions later. And by the time they start asking questions the skill was off cooldown. Everything can be avoided, countered – and if they don’t they are idiots?

You are glass “cannon” staff ele. It will be rare for you to get anyone near death before you are downed. You will need to be in proper attunment as well. Anyone seeing lava font and trying to kill you while low hp IS an idiot.

edit:
However if you do manage to pull that by some miracle u might wanna throw in eruption as well.

Increase by 50% = 150% hit damage

He’s a 1 trick pony thief. Complains about beeing forced to spam “1” all the time while his ENTIRE game revolves around pressing “1” once.

Than you played vs idiots. Id never stand in an aoe just to cap some1. Id just nuke em from distance. And since #2 wasnt instantly avaible after downed they should have had loads of time to move.

Pistol whip will be brutal ofc Just wondering if activating it consumes all charges and thus only upgrading first few hits.

I have a full exotic (berserker gear) ele and cant think of a way that would instagib anyone. Please enlighten me on how to do it.

Meh.. no scepter buffs..

Gavoll.9085:

Some of the problem with ele frustration is trying to force a role. People say “I want to solo gank people and get the kill no matter what.” Or they say “I want to tank against three and stay in the circle.” Sure, these things are possible, but there are other classes designed to fill those extreme roles.

Extreme roles? lol 1vs1 is extreme role? Not dying instantly (in inquest gear) to a passing thief is extreme role?

BioMasterZap.4350:

The good news, after playing an elementalist well everything else will seem like easy mode =P

This is absolute truth. I switched to thief and god theres a dif in dps AND survivability. In pve i can tank 4 same lvl mobs rather easy. And aoe… lol what aoe… sword/pistol and im doing aoe dps of a full exotic ele at lvl 50 already.
In wvw its same. AMAZING survivability. I can actually force people to disengage (need better equipment to make kills certain) if not outright kill em. If im in trouble… leme just say i rarely die :p

hackks.3687:

All 3 Cantrips (Armor of earth, Mist Form, Lightning Flash), Earth Signet for immobilize, and maybe the Arcane Skills (Arcane Wave for sure). The rest are pretty worthless.

For lvl 6? He’s lvling… cantrips are worthless there. PvP is another matter tho…

I presume you mean utilities?
Signet of restoration, arcane blast, signet of fire and glyph of lesser elementals with elemental elite. These are core skills for lvling. Some use arcane wave as well but low range on it…
Signet of air doesnt stack with air traits so forget it. Tornado is utterly useless and same goes for conjured weapons. Waste points on them when you have skills that are worth it already.

Might be true since tooltip gives zero info about it… But ive had people dodge out of it with me spamming DT. As for phoenix, its pretty much short range cast if you want any chance for it to hit. Will check combos again later.

You really dont get the point of my posts? Is my english that bad?
Why would i pvp vs you with any other class when i never even properly played em. I have zero feeling for when i should use what skill. Heck, i dont even know what all skills other classes have. I have 1h played on mesmer and thief and none on other classes except ele. I havent even played em enough to develop muscle memory for combos let alone properly pvp with them.
And i do know when i die without having a chance to even retaliate. Since ure stuck on my claims of incoming dmg and survivability i should have… YOU do the math and tell me. I have 16k hp in bunker build, i get hit for 4-8k crits. How long do i last vs that damage? How do i counter that damage? PLease enlighten me.

@darksun
Ive got over 350h played on my ele with several full exotic sets. I know how to play quite well. PvE is not a major problem for me since im at end game pretty much. I can clean up 5+ veteran mobs at a same time. Its what gear does. When i hop in my rare travelers set it becomes lot harder. Everything takes longer and mobs do dent your hp quite well. Im not saying its that hard to kill 2-3 mobs a time.. Its just kitten when compared with other classes.
Go as an ele and fight 2-3 lvls higher mobs and you’ll see what i mean. I can take one, perhaps 2+ mobs if elite is ready. Other classes just steamroll through them.

@micro
Do you even read what i write? I specifically wrote that ranger doesnt pose that much of a problem for me when i can abuse LOS. Really… You call me childish but fail to even understand what i write. And on top of it you want me to duel you with a class i never played. I havent even played thief/mesmer enough to unlock all the weapon skills yet (due to guild needing players for wvw).
And i know VERY well how survivable bunker ele is. And beeing on the receiving end of bursts i know the numbers poping in combat log. 1/3 (and more) of my hp per hit on a bunker should never happen. Even more so when you add in the attack speeds you can pull off.

Erin.7521:

I do not think elementalist should be turned into a pet class it just does not suit them and changes their overall play style.

As for no player ever being downed in two seconds I would suggest this simply suggests to people that glass cannon builds that they can’t have it all. High damage comes at the cost of a very short life.

Ele already has 2 pets… its just annoying to activate em every time or having to wait between hard mobs to engage just because they (golems) despawn after 1min.

And i get downed in 2s while beeing bunker build… 16k hp and 2500+ armor.

@darksun
you actually pulled several groups of mobs when still lvling and survived? And killed em all? Granted i was still noob when lvling but i recall incoming damage to be brutal when too many mobs were involved.

@animosity
I can escape from people if i got a place nearby to run to. As i gave an example before.. determined players WILL catch you. I never imagined a warrior could catch me but he did. Just took him rather long time due to my superrior cc under water.
As for ranger kiting.. i have no problems when i got a place for LOS. In open wvw im fked.
Thief doesnt kite, he just kills you. 10 min ago thief downed me in 2s. 16100 hp and 2560 armor destroyed before he even rendered on my screen. With those stats i can tank ENTIRE supply camp for a long time. Does kittenall vs thief.

Nerf burst damage and nerf extreme tanks. No player should be downed in 2s flat by a single player. Ever. Its just no fun at all.

And one more: Make elementalist elite glyph of elementals a permanent pet (like with necro for example). It would improve ele’s PvE a lot. And ill get that fuzzy feeling when i finally see some ele bots!

@darksun
You did that while still lvling? And where do you farm in that way?
As for rangers killing themselfs.. I never seen it happen for me but they did drop like over 50% hp and just retreated.

@creslin
Granted mesmers arent exactly good in farming. Im more annoyed by the fact that other professions can easily pull several mobs while wearing travelers set. If i try that with 3-4 mobs ill be seriously running around for my life doing it. Others might lose 10% hp doing it…
You manage to kill more in 1 vs zerg? Must have been one kitten zerg. Yes, kitten zergs do exist.. I went vs 5 and couldnt die. Sux i had wrong weapon equipped so i couldnt kill kitten either.
And how the hell can you outrun everyone? As a staff ele ive been chased by warrior across the map (even E5 and A5 him in water) with near perma swiftness and used flash and he still caught me. With s/d i cant run away from a (good) thief ever. And there are plenty of other examples of this. If they are determent to catch you, they WILL catch you. But i agree.. if theres a keep nearby (flash + 2dodges away) there is no reason for ele to die.

@micro
Really? Now you will twist my words? Its not bad when the enemy is STATIONARY aka not moving.
And blinds? On a fast attacking profesion? And obviously rangers done have dodges.. right. Or keeping up with un cc-able ranger while he can snare you at any time… Yes, i see why you rerolled.
And why on earth would i want to 1vs1 with you? It would prove nothing at all.

What theory would that confirm? Ele vs ele? Or ele vs ranger? And i dont have that many problems in spvp since i can LOS most of times. In wvw its another story. I cant keep up with incoming damage and extremly hard to close distance (and keep it) vs a good ranger.
RTL was never a problem vs stationary targets regardless of that terrain. If you can walk through that terrain, rtl will connect or bring you close enough to do some cc. If the target is using irregular movements… out of luck. Ill pretty much save rtl as an escape tool if im not certain i can connect it.
And feel free to explain to me how to counter ranger thats un cc-able and is doing his best to kite me and hitting me for numbers only my firegrab can match.

@lifelike
Actually wrong. Takes pressing “v” and he dodges it. Really not possible to hit it vs player thats actually sitting behind his desk.

Because unless traited/equipped bleeds can be pretty much ignored. And same goes for direct dmg builds. Damage is there.. its just not worth using (as primary dmg) when you can use spells you traited for. For instance in my s/d build you will never see me intentionally stack bleeds when i have other dmg spells avaible.

You know that would make you do near zero dps the moment u swapped out of fire? And with long attunment cd…
Anyway i personally like the playstyle of ele as it is. Just needs some adjusments.

@bard
Id say its avaible burst thats op. Ive had epic fights vs obviously undergeared people that couldnt insta gib me. Take away kitten bursts and extreme tanks and game is balanced.

Just by moving you negate rtl. Ive engaged about equally equiped rangers and got decimated. Couldnt get in range for cc at all. RTL failed me (didnt connect) and by the time i got out i was nearly dead while still getting hammered. And 6k a pop isnt an instant end… its 1/3 of an end. And with 20s stability/swiftness i can do kittenall to stop you from kiting. Im reduced to air/earth autoattcks and guess whos gonna win that exchange.

And rly.. i dont remember rtl bugging once on terrain and i use it often. I can only link it to enemy movement since i always hit stationary enemy.

Dagger also means you are up in their face 24/7. If rtl fails you are screwed vs any ranged. Than again you got flash.
For wvw zerg staff without a doubt, for solo just what you prefer. Soloing dungeons… ive seen video of staff ele doing it… in 3h+

Uh im not one of those players. Now that im geared up i can kill mobs in few sec (dungeons are another story). Wasnt like that when i was lvling. And single mobs were never a problem. Pulling 3 or more same lvl (gear/traits taken in consideration, not pure lvl) mobs ussually meant armor repair bill. And d/d just sux for pve… sure its doable vs 1-2 mobs and even than beeing in that close range… just doesnt justify low damage. In pve i found it inferrior to s/d.
As for pvp… insta deaths all over the place. Bunker is the only viable build.
Unhappiness with class comes when you compare it to others. You are outdone on everything except bunkering. And even that is succeptible to bursts. And with kitten bursts this game has… No class should EVER 2 hit you. Ive see theifs with 17k backstabs on ele’s… Thats just no fun at all.

I dont do much spvp but i do wvw so ill comment in regards to that.
Focus just plain sucks. Very limited for mobility and much lower dmg output. And as ele you really need mobility and interupts. Obsidian flesh just doesnt make up for it.
Also staff is absolute king of wvw zergs. Nothing compares to it. Full berserker with staff and mad dodging skills you do soooooooo much for your team over any other weapon set its unbelivable. I hate staff playstyle but its only viable weapon if you want to be of use to your team.

@bard
If you are reffering to pve aspect id say its a class problem. Than again its class problem in pvp as well. Beeing locked in certain range due to weapon set is kitten Zero versatility. In pvp if not bunker build you really have to outplay your enemy to defeat them. And even than you are in danger of dying to a run of a mill thief dropping 15k dmg in 2s on your kitten

@micro
I know game mechanics quite well. Beeing crit for 6k+ while in bunker build doesnt really give you much time to do the running considering the attack speed. As i said, ive lost even 70% of hp in the time rtl unbugged itself (about 1-2s). And rtl bugs on anything that is mobile. Ive had successful hits with it at about 20% rate on mobile targets. Never bugged on terrain tho. And you should count in rangers cc as well.
Also fun fact: if ranger starts imediatly kiting at his max range you will come out of rtl at aprox 600 range from him. No chance to catch up.

TRavelers for pve/dungeons. Berserkers for wvw zergfest and inquest (or same set from dungeon tokens) for when you dont want to die to a thief sneezing your way.

Tensei.9748:

Agreed dodging is great for kiting, but when there’s too many mobs.. We kite so much that they reset.

Tbh reset was never a problem for me. Id just dodge over it and kite the other way.

Micro Hard.3601:

I started with an ele and found the game incredibly hard having no idea on what to actually do. I soon rerolled a ranger for it being too difficult and found ranger to be incredibly easy to solo in pve with considering you have a pet to tank everything for you and just mindlessly spam “tab1” all day long. Eventually I hit lv80, fully geared exotics and spamming gold on cultural pieces. When I had nothing left to do I tried pvp and wvwvw and got demolished by pretty much every class. I was shocked at how poor the ranger did in 1on1 situations and switched back to my ele with a substantially larger amount of knowledge I had before attempting to play an ele. I read all the skills, and traits and tested everything out, finding that staff and focus are the worst possible weapons you could use when utilizing every skill. That cc’s, cantrips and healing power play a gigantic roll. And that ele is rather overpowered in any 1on1 pvp situation. I am disappointed I rolled a ranger, but I probably would have quit the game if I kept playing on my ele without knowing what skill does what, and what stats are more beneficial. And although ele does not really have an “afk atk” and has to constantly cast, I find this the most enjoyable class. Mine is now lv80 fully geared and I am pleased playing this class. Let me know if anyone wishes to have a friendly duel with me 1v1 =D.

TL;DR : It is a challenging class starting off with as OP stated. It has the most spells in the game, use all of them to get the best out of it. It is fun!

For real? Ive died countless times to rangers due to rtl beeing kitten (ive literally lost 70% of hp due to this retardation). All they have to do is kite and if in open wvw you are dead with zero chance. Pet alone does 1k/hit. However if rtl hits by some miracle you have a chance.

As i said, pve is doable if very careful. What makes ele bad in pve is lack of damage and squishiness. Im master at dodging damage in pve just beacuse of it. I soloed champion mobs laughing at how others sucked at dodging. Than i saw how little they got punished for it. While i would die to 2 hits others were easily soaking up 5+ hits in a row. Than add in the dmg they are doing compared to me… just makes it not worth it at all.
Tbh i can live with crappy pve since im a pvper. Once i got gear from dungeons i never went back to pve once. Im kitten that in pvp you have 2 options. Do mediocre damage at a cost of dying to pretty much any1 that spots you; or do no damage at all (not kidding) but be very hard to kill.

In Pvp people cleanse bleeds. And each condition they cleanse they do it to fullest: 15 stacks of bleed? All gone in a sec.
In pve when you are full exotic normal mobs die rather fast. Condition builds might come on top on boss fights.
Ive played with condition builds before, but once i tried berserker gear i just salvaged carrion. Got several globs from it too

Ive been through this challange for 350h+ played on ele alone. While pve is “doable” its kitten frustrating at least 50% of time. Ive died countless times for accidentally pulling 3rd mob (kiting 2 mobs…) while beeing well equiped for my lvl. Im yet to see my friends die in such situations. PvE improves when ure full exotic… however compared to other classes… much left to be desired.

As for pvp. Any build that is not bunker makes you an easy kill for others and theres nothing you can do about it. Ive died to thiefs before i could literally press a button for mist form. And i was expecting that kitten thief to engage me so my finger was ready. With bunker build at least i last a bit longer and sometimes if i outgear him heavily he might give up and let me go.

Reroll thief/mesmer while u have a chance. Im lvling mesmer atm with thief to follow.

Travelers is good enough rare, dont bother with exotic.
Others depend on what you want to do with it. I use full berserker in wvw with invaders set for small engagements.

Smooth till 65? I thought so as well when lvling and dying to npcs thinking its normal for all classes… boy was i wrong.
I mostly lvled in lower zones with gear (masterwork) up to date every 5 lvls. Could take on lower lvl mobs 1-2 at a time, more if i used elite the one and only earth golem.
Than i talked to some rl friends… kittens lvling in zones 2-3 lvls higher taking 3+ mobs at a time just to make it interesting.

And dont get me wrong.. i LOVE the playstyle of ele’s… just stuff is way off when it comes to balance.

Dual.8953:

I come on here and see post after post of how weak Ele is, then I see videos of eles soloing entire zergs and coming out on top. Now some of you will probably say “that’s in WvW and players are underlevered there”, to that I say true, but not everyone is underleveled and undergeared. Also I ask you, can absolutely every class pull off this feat?

Id like to see those videos so feel free to link em.

As for underlvled.. it does matter. I went vs 4 people as a bunker ele and they couldnt kill me. Later in 1vs1 a thief downed me in 5s flat without me having any chance at all.

Quintosh.9613:

Spicyhash.7605:

^ You are forgetting that elementalist is a free kill, no matter who’s playing it. Elementalists rely on the same bs tactics as thieves to do to get kills: burst damage/surprise attacks.

^ Simply put, no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r15NcmZoF_M

He was vs another ele in that group as well… so by default you should know that he massively outgears and outskills them. The difference in skill is really huge.

As for theifs… today ive seen a guildie thief engage a full hp lvl 80 enemy (think he was engineer) at same time as me. Enemy got downed before my FIRST fireball even reached him and thus instantly turning that skirmish in our favour.
Ive seen him take down veteran guards down to 10% hp in 1s flat. I play full exotic berserker setup and cant even dream of that kind of burst. Its flat out kitten such bursts even exists.

Im only kitten because now i dont know what to lvl… thief or mesmer.. kitten elementalists…