Sad to see anyone leave ET. :/
In my opinion, EB, BP or YB (my server) would all be a good match. G’luck!
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I don’t understand this ridiculous fixation on telling people to go to spvp. If spvp was something we wanted to do, don’t you think we’d be there? How about you go to spvp and get those ppt circles all you want.
The reason people keep telling you this is because XOXO (granted, a vocal few) seems to do a lot of either whining or boasting on the forums. All a consequence of the unfair nature of WvW (by design). Hence the suggestion of sPvP.
However, it’s also understood that the idea of fair fights vs seasoned teams can be a bit intimidating.
Great fights with HOPE and RAM these past few days… we’ve really enjoyed it! I want to give a shout out to HOPE as well for commanding very large numbers while maintaining extremely good map awareness and response time. It made all the difference in these scores imo. /salute
Yes, their map awareness and response time is superb… a necessity I’m sure in the upper tiers. YB is steadily improving and this week presents a great opportunity to learn from FA, which we already have been.
Also, it has been awesome seeing RAM out there, even if they’re on the other side.
Thanks for all the fights!
at least in the forums.
exactly, that’s forums
These forums, and the borlis pass forum front page including comments from commanders about double teaming, your BL being bugged, blah blah.
Surely, you can understand why someone might form that opinion.
Just a few observations/opinions from my YB point of view.
YB has always had a very large PVE population. Probably waaay larger than EB or BP. The leagues and achievements have obviously attracted many of them to WvW. I really hope they stick around but I’m noticing the queues are shorter already (only 5 minutes for EBG at around 9pm server time last night).
For the most part our PvEers are doing GREAT and listening well, but then we do have awesome commanders. Having a little patience goes a long ways with your new ppl and keeps many of them coming back. We were all new once.
Fall behind early, or by a lot, and fairweathers will bail. This seems to be a law of WvW and happens on every server, especially YB. Just a few weeks ago vs SBI was just pathetic. I hope this changes next week as we will need them. Maybe the fact that we’re in league play now and are carrying some momentum will make a difference.
I’m surprised at all the complaining about zergs. If you don’t like zerging, why participate in WvW? Just play SPvP or transfer to a low pop bronze server.
I expected complaints from EB, but apparently most of those really vocal guys have transferred off. EB has been nothing but class (IMHO) during this matchup, in game and in the forums. Hats off to them, they will come back and be stronger for it.
What happened to BP? I always perceived them as the hardworking, always striving to improve, underdog kind of server. Save for some notable exceptions (WFD you guys are tough, keep it up!) this week has been largely whines and excuses, at least in the forums. BP is better than that.
Anyways, just my opinions on the week… thanks for the fun!
Maybe they fought 50 rangers? Haha
LOL well played!
Yes, increased boon duration affects swiftness and regen from Nature’s Voice. From what I can tell, this is based on the recipient’s stats and not the giver’s.
Which is unfortunate for me, given that I’m running at about +80% boon duration. :/
But you benefit from the shout as well, correct?
Yep, with my boon duration plus traits, I build my regen up to well over a minute and swiftness to about half of that while out of combat. I’m always spamming Guard.
Funny, my guild never creates a mindless blob, we are too organized to create what you call a mindless blob, hence why we have taken on a hundred at a time as a group of 35 or a little higher than that. We offer each other builds for survivability and certainly do not rely on full burst, nor full condition damage , but a hybrid of everything. When we die, it’s because we messed up in tactic or got flanked for creating too much of a tail; moreover, when rangers in my guild die from a zerg, it’s primarily due to our bad positioning(like straying away from the periphery without noticing, or not grouping up, etc). Since what you see happening to your rangers is obviously not working out, well, then maybe you should work with them instead of cracking jokes and making them feel worse about the class; theoretically, a guild is supposed to be like a family overall. If you only see bad rangers, well then don’t use that sample size to draw the conclusion for all rangers in the game; the reason I say this is because ranger is a difficult class to build so that it suits every one of your needs. Of course for the context of this post, I probably mentioned earlier that WvW is not intended for a 1v1 clash; WvW is Server Vs Server, if you want to roam alone in WvW, there would be absolutely no point in doing so because your roaming really isn’t helping your server win the battles. As far as mobility goes, there are survivability utility skills, warhorn buffs, and static fields and warhorn buffs that should come from warriors and elementalists to keep up with speed. Overall there is not much you should be complaining about other than your expertise as a commander orguild leader.
Hey, just a suggestion… could you please break up your writing into paragraphs? It would make it so much easier to get your points and to follow your train of thought. Otherwise people will probably gloss over your post which isn’t really fair to you.
I don’t want to come across as bashing on how your guild does things, so I won’t go there. I’m glad it is working for you! There are many ways to skin a cat in this game.
I agree with a lot of what you stated in your post, especially regarding guildies helping each other, and roaming not really helping the server out (why I don’t do it anymore).
Playing a Ranger myself, of course I don’t care for the Ranger jokes. But I’ve got thick skin and can roll with it. And actually, it motivates me to perform better. Surviving and contributing on the frontline is a high visibility role and gains respect.
The majority of players in this game feel that Rangers underperform in many aspects of this game (like WvW). That’s just a fact and we do need to discuss it. That’s not on the players but on Anet, and hopefully they make it right.
Cheers!
Sorry, but if you run with a zerg busting group, you’d know that this type of ranger pretty much just melts instantly. Push through the front line and down they go. It’s so bad that my guild cracks ranger jokes whenever a zerg seems particularly glassy.
I run full cleric or pvt bunker 0/0/30/30/10, depending on what we’re doing, and I’m under no illusion that I’m not giving up a lot just to be able to survive as a ranger with my guild.
In fact, rangers are perceived so poorly that our policy is no more rangers. I know that’s the case with many serious WvW guilds.
It sucks, but that is just the state of the ranger at this time.
edit: I’m talking medium to large scale combat. Roaming, we’re fine IMHO. Not the best and definitely not the worst.
Honestly, as far as I can tell, you’re complaining about a skill problem. Stop trying to look for guilds that don’t look for rangers, and get your act together if you main one. Also, “Pushing through the front line, and down they go,” you should not be in the front line— EVER. If your guild is making a ranged focus class do that, then they are the idiots and not you. Obviously, you’re another person who claims that rangers suck; you said “our guild policy is no more rangers.” You can make that claim, but no matter what, it just shows how bad you are with the class. You obviously do not understand ranger, and you obviously lack sufficient skill to be one. I am so angry at you, I don’t even know where to start, also, your argument about the build I posted melting instantly, yeah, that’s another skill problem. learn to play the game, and quit being on forums just to insult the class.
Again, prefacing my comments with the clarification that I’m talking about running with an organized guild in WvW, usually taking on much greater numbers.
Mindless blob vs mindless blob? Glass it up and have at it.
Based experience with my guild (and I like to think that we’re decent), I’d say that a properly built Ranger is the 3rd “sturdiest” frontliner, behind Warrior and Guardian. I’m often the last one to go down when overwhelmed by huge zergs… although I like to attribute that to pro positioning and battle awareness.
Note, I didn’t say Ranger is 3rd “best”, as we do have to give up a lot of damage to be able to achieve bunker qualities. In my case defensive traits, high armor rating, mobility, high healing and boon duration (primarily for protection, which is key to survival). If greatsword was a condition weapon, I’d switch to my settler/apoth gear in a heartbeat! But alas.
One note about the pet. The constant stealth, protection and regen given by Nature’s Voice GREATLY improves pet survival. These days it is rare that my pet dies.
The fact that you think a Ranger cannot frontline shows just how much you know about the class. Granted, what I offer my teammates is more subtle… spammable swiftness/regen boons “protecting” stability from necro stripping, an awesome water field + blast, muddy terrain, pet cc, constant regen ticking for 300+, etc. They’ve grown to appreciate it over time.
That said, I believe I have to work twice as hard to be half as effective as a frontline Warrior or Guardian. Power scaling on our weapons needs changing now! The myriad of pet issues are apparently just to complex to fix.
Look, I’m sorry if my comment about backline/periphery Rangers melting instantly hurt your feelings. That’s based on my, and many others’, observations on pretty much a nightly basis. Hence the Ranger jokes. They seem… very lacking… compared to other backliners. Granted, perhaps we’re just seeing a lot of poopie Rangers out there, night after night.
Alluding to your other post, condi bunker Rangers are fantastic roamers. I don’t see anyone arguing that. In fact, I played one for a long time and loved it. But they simply lack the mobility needed to survive against zergs (again, running with a guild group against superior numbers).
Finally, we’ve tried adding ranged Rangers to our backline, but it quickly becomes apparent that they’re dead weight at best, rally fodder at worst. Perhaps we’ve just been unlucky…
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Don’t listen to the trolls above this post, they are as long as you know how to build them for zerg. The longbow should be the most effective AoE weapon along with the shortbow, and possibly axe(havent tried with axe yet, but very good for meele train). I do so much damage while zerging, and no; you shouldn’t have to give anyone speed or might; everything should be based on your jurisdiction. As a member of Os, I have zerged so many times, Enough to know how powerful rangers can be in one small zerg.
How are we Trolls? and please post this build you talk about, we all known rangers are weak in Open field PvP. Why do you think no one uses a ranger in GvG, cause its the weakest link… There decent at tower/keep fight’s but all it take’s is one decent thief in open field and your done for. Why cause the build’s you require to be decent put you at a high risk…..
Sigh, it’s never in a common ranger’s nature to post up his/her build simply because of the fact that building a ranger to perfectly suit your needs takes a lot of time, and for the most part, is not obvious like how you can build a warrior or a mesmer, although the one im about to show you may seem obvious, it isn’t, and it is only for zerg. But since you asked, beserker armor, soldier trinkets,Sigil of bloodlust on either weapon(whichever you roll better with), LB/SB 30-30-10-0-0, III VIII XI-VI VIII XI-III, pop barrage on incoming traffic zerg(to cause cripple), remain in the periphery, cast rapid fire and flank (theres a trait for that), switch to shortbow cast poison valley,
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Sorry, but if you run with a zerg busting group, you’d know that this type of ranger pretty much just melts instantly. Push through the front line and down they go. It’s so bad that my guild cracks ranger jokes whenever a zerg seems particularly glassy.
I run full cleric or pvt bunker 0/0/30/30/10, depending on what we’re doing, and I’m under no illusion that I’m not giving up a lot just to be able to survive as a ranger with my guild.
In fact, rangers are perceived so poorly that our policy is no more rangers. I know that’s the case with many serious WvW guilds.
It sucks, but that is just the state of the ranger at this time.
edit: I’m talking medium to large scale combat. Roaming, we’re fine IMHO. Not the best and definitely not the worst.
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I’m on YB and haven’t logged into this matchup even once… blah blah prefer to be outnumbered/the underdog and all that.
I did notice that ET was in the PPT lead for part of reset night, before YB’s superior coverage took over (causing the fairweathers to bail).
Doesn’t that bode well for them in bronze league? I don’t really follow the lower ranked servers much.
YB’s NA, while not the strongest in silver, is still pretty solid.
Just wondering.
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Sooooo
Since when did yaks have such a Insane EBG presence, Its almost like SBI
It’s hard to defend Overlook 10v60, even while Yaks just completely zerged down our Borderlands and they still had an army in eternal.
Also, Nice spawn killing and leaving NSP’s side alone. It’s almost like we are getting focused here….After looking at those screenshots… Holy kitten, zerg harder Yaks
Wellll
Say hello to our fairweathers. They’ve been absent recently while times were rough and I’m guessing they are now raring to go in WvW. Ebay (like every server to varying degree) its share of fairweathers too as your numbers are certainly down.
About the focusing part… I haven’t noticed that when I’ve been on. The spawn camping shiz always happens when one side is dominating. Most of last week SBI was doing it to us.
Yeah no kidding. While I do like the changes to the BLs, the implementation of bloodlust is horrible… it should be a minor effect IMHO. I mean, it’s not like the dominating server needs any more help. I do like the idea of swapping it with the outmanned buff.
Thanks HoD and SF for the fun fights! You guys don’t back down, even in the face of greater numbers.
We certainly know what that’s like, getting knocked around the last couple of weeks…
If you run with an organized group in WvW, this is definitely a nerf. A 15 second water field, with perks like traited vigor and the default condition removal and regen, was one of the best things we as Rangers brought to the table. While said perks are nice, what folks are really interested in is the long lasting water field.
15 seconds down to 10 is a huge nerf.
Well, YB is outmanned on every map right now. I’ve never seen that before on a Sunday, so I guess we’re officially sandbagging the week. Assuming we achieve r13, I’m not sure blowing ppl out in silver league will be any more fun than getting blown out. Whatever.
I did have fun brawling with some SBI outside our EBG spawn, but all your siege raining down sorta put a damper on it.
G’luck against the upper tiers, SBI. You’ve got some impressive numbers, and I suspect you’ll learn a thing or two from those servers…
Closest matchup we’ve had in months
The last couple of weeks have been the same for us. A lot of fun (despite losing).
YB, Ebay, Kain, CD, and Mags (probably strongest of the 5) are all quite balanced, and make for great matchups. I haven’t seen the servers in the next tier down in forever, so not sure about them.
Pity those getting bumped up. A nice reward for winning the tier… and/or RNG, however it works these days.
Well, it didn’t feel like we on YB were very organized tonight. I’m sure some solid play on Kain and especially Ebay’s part had something to do with that. Oh well, we’ll see how tomorrow goes.
I had a great time roaming around getting into 1v1s with old friends from GH, FTF, etc.. always fun playing you guys.
Oh yeah, I forgot how much I missed Archer.
I take a few months off from GW2 and come back to this awesomely even WvW match up. If only every week could be like this.
Hats off to KN and CD! I may just be rusty, but I’m seeing some smart (and classy) play from all sides.
i use the sword for lack of a better weapon. it’s annoying as hell to use. it isn’t even the root, but the fact that it sucks you back when you try to leave.
you can’t simply run away from an enemy like you can with other weapons because it leaps you back at them over and over. even dodging fails a lot of the time. it’s really annoying imo.
Just turn off autotarget and click the ground (which removes your target) before you run away. Esc works too but pops up the menu. Someone else also suggested binding sheathe weapons to a key.
Having autotarget off hurts a bit with the bows, but it’s not that hard to hit tab to pick up a target.
This^
Nerver ever have autotarget ON, on any kind of PvP, with any class.
Yes! With autotarget on, when trying to escape via GS or Sword (or Snow Leopard form for that matter) you will instead rush toward the nearest enemy. And then die a miserable death. Same thing when forgetting to clear your target first.
Rangers are one of the better escape artists in the game with on demand condition removal (SoR), GS and/or Sword leaps on relatively short cooldowns.
I’m a Norn, and never solo roam without Snow Leopard form. It has saved me countless times, along with netting me kills on those foolish enough to come look for me on their own.
I swear [GH]/[GF]/([ECHO]?) are like 80% thieves. At least that’s how it appears to me when I’m solo roaming around (I know, I know, thief=roamer). That’s cool, as they do have some of the more skilled thief players I’ve seen. Makes for some fun fights, except when I have to face 2 or 3 of you at once. Ouch… that’s when this ranger snow leopards and runs!
BTW, we need a fight club. It will give me a reason to log back into WvW this week.
Say what you will about him, Archer’s trolling is breathing some life into this dull thread! I think he’s been taking lessons from Bunzy.
Ah, perhaps all 3 servers are taking a break this week. A good thing to avoid WvW burnout.
On that note, not having them around reminds me just how important our commanders are. Having the only YB commander across all maps in the EBJP (last night) doesn’t exactly do much for WvW motivation. lol
Recheck your eyes, Ebay dominates the open field with yaks bend every time. We had maybe 20 people total defending excluding runners. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Careful about beating your chest too hard there buddy, you might hurt yourself.
Aside from a few forum warriors, I like and respect Ebay a lot. I’ve had some fun roaming fights and duels, occasionally grouping up and chatting afterwards.
But… I’ve been taking a bit of a break from WvW lately, catching up on fractals and other things. I did hop on WvW briefly the last couple of days (late night NA).
Where the heck is everyone on Yaks? Mumble is empty and maybe a couple of commander across all maps? How in the world are we still ahead on points?
Just wondering…
Another possible scenario has YB, CD, and EBay facing off next week. If CD finishes strong this week, YB won’t be able to overtake Maguuma in the standings. The result will be an awesome battle in T4.
Agreed. YB/CD/EBay will be EPIC! Three evenly matched servers, finally. Not to mention two of my favorite servers, aside from YB of course.
C’mon Mag and CD, finish strong.
Meanwhile, I see SBI winning Tier 5.