Guild Wars 2

redslion.9675:

Well, Well of Darknes isn’t istant, so I can still take the jump on a necro.

Then I can use block.

But yeah, blind fields work like invulnerability fields for warriors.XD

when I see people blocking whilst playing necro I just throw down my (traited) marks and dark path (DS2)

blocking wont help you kill a condition necro.

I was playing around with physical utilities last night in full zerk 30/0/0/10/30 build last night and my ‘kick’ wakittenting for 4.5k with no buffs or stacks and on a 16s CD.

do alot of people use kick? was also using bulls charge playing with CC rotations (just for fun) using bulls charge, rifle butt, eviscerate and then kick.

anyone else using 2 physical utilities? and highest numbers achieved by using them?

Geiir.7603:

Bull Zooker.1672:

Geiir.7603:

Then you simply out played him – good for you! /clap

I would say necros are by far the king of condition builds! Two necros figured I had really bad condition removal (S/P no stealth thief), so they had me run against a wall with fear and they simply feared me to death…

haha that sounds infuriating but funny! as a necro I always enjoy hearing how thieves suffer from our dirty tricks ;-)

team fights – necro condi builds > thief condi builds

solo roaming – thief condi builds > necro condi builds (thieves escape better)

I bet they were laughing so hard that they were crying, that’s at least what I would have done ;p

Yeah, thieves are sneaky ;D

my thief is called ‘sneaking bull’ ;-)

look forward to seeing this when I get home!

Rfreak.6591:

@yski.7642

It is indeed unintended seeing how it interacts with stomping in general, people that manage this stomp are likely to use a macro on their mouse (F+f1).

just a case of practice. I use 1 for DS and F to interact. very rarely miss time it.

sanictoofast.9317:

I found warrior the most fun to damage with because of their potential in that area, I personally strived for more damage as i leveled so i could face the much more powerful monsters many levels above me. This really covered the whole slayer concept i was going for and I’ve remained entertained ever since, killing 70+ at lvl 55. with battles like those its hard to not have fun!

I found that mobs 10 levels higher than me became immune to my damage, I focused on DPS too (on my necro)

shield #5 with tons of BLOCK’s popping up in a zerg fight and thinking… that was close. .

Maartac.9457:

Remove the Terror-DMG and give us a 2 sec extra Fear

nice idea. except alot of necros use fear specifically for the damage. though an 8 second fear would be hilarious

shroud stability stomp. well of darkness stomp. dagger 4 stomp. plague stomp. theres the old port with flesh worm and spectral walk. or dps them down.

Softspoken.2410:

As much as I love the idea of using bleed stacks you have applied as a heal somehow, I really don’t think Fear/Terror fits as the trigger mechanism.

agreed! maybe a slight modification to withering precision or torment.

Geiir.7603:

Then you simply out played him – good for you! /clap

I would say necros are by far the king of condition builds! Two necros figured I had really bad condition removal (S/P no stealth thief), so they had me run against a wall with fear and they simply feared me to death…

haha that sounds infuriating but funny! as a necro I always enjoy hearing how thieves suffer from our dirty tricks ;-)

team fights – necro condi builds > thief condi builds

solo roaming – thief condi builds > necro condi builds (thieves escape better)

the build im using feels a bit gimmicky as I can spam death blossom and dodge almost constantly. I have no doubt that a more refined build based around the same idea is very effective, bu the initiative regen and dodge/evades are a bit too much in the build outlineed above.

I use 0/0/30/20/20 on my p/d thief. great fun and awesome in most situations.

I was missing around with a 0/0/10/30/30 build last night in pve.

adventurer runes with vigor on heal means I have almost constant uptime on dodges and the initiative regen signet with the 2 initiative every 10s and initiative on heal and weapon swap (dual daggers in both sets with hydromancy sigils on both sets) means I can death blossom and dodge (caltrops on dodge) until I make myself dizzee watching.

its extremely gimmicky but great fun, using utilities caltrops and roll for initiative your initiative is always available. (tricks recharge faster traited)

any one else playing with some silly gimmicky builds? not because theyre effective but because theyre fun?

though some would argue almost constant evading and bleed application (up to 25 stacks) is effective to a degree.

I love our weapons. I think the only thing we lack is a melee weapon that cleaves

I would love to see spear an ‘on land’ weapon.

axe 2 should hit for more than that if you’re full glass cannon.
in my bunker build my ghastly claws hit for 4-5k on level 80 mobs

what are your life blasts hitting for?

I used to run spectral armor, walk and grasp with spectral attunement my LF was full from empty in about 7-10s which was very effective. I do switch out a spectral skill or 2 for 2 wells sometimes but wouldn’t like to play without at least one spectral.

I would love frostfang, but I refuse to spend that much time grinding for it.

I take spectral armor well of suffering and spectral walk purely because I like having full LF and the damage from the well while in DS (deathly perception) is spanking.
of course I dont need that much survivability in pve but its fun to play.

I use carrion armor just fine. explain how carrion is bad to the X amount of people I 1v1’d and 2vX’d today.

I actually have recently switched runes to adventurer. I figured as necro has rubbish mobility why not use runes to get and extra dodge back?

I think the most helpful/unhelpful advice I can offer is (when you nailed the basics) use what works for you. theres no point in me telling you my build if it doesn’t fit your play style.

though I will tell you what I use if you ask of course.

I love how DS looks, makes me feel almost like a ghost at times haunting the crap out of my enemies.

wells are great, but my opinion is conditions > power for necro. I may be wrongly assuming this is for pvp or wvw? but that’s my opinion.

if you practice stacking bleeds on one guy, then epidemic them to spread it to everyone else theres no greater feeling. ive seen 20 stacks of bleed on a target whilst on my power necro and wished I had epidemic equipped.

wells are fun but not as reliable as conditions. getting people to stay in them is problematic at times.

I have 2 necro’s, Bulls Torment (recently name changed because of the definition of the word not the new condition, though that is what made me think of it) and also – Bulls Reaper.

Bulls Torment – condition necro.
Bulls Reaper – power necro.

what I don’t understand is why necromancers have complained about being under powered for so long, and now we get a buff everyone complains.

EVEN THE NECROMANCERS.

the only class to complain about how strong they are.

I agree ^^

I used to run s/p with p/p off hand, had alot of fun with it too but don’t play alot of thief nowadays.

enjoy watching people play it though. nice videos man really fun to watch.

I switched out my emerald orbs on my knight set to superior earth rune yesterday and they are incredible. I feel we have more than enough condition clears on necro and as I was running spectral armor with 20 in SR my protection up time was quite impressive. I would recommend it.

I love this trait. didn’t realise the radius of it though that is surprising.

if this gets nerfed, I will not be happy, infact I will be very unhappy.

its not a mandatory trait at all, probably the best for condition users but you have ground targeted wells and extra LF gain n the same line so depends what you want to go for with the build I guess.

flow.6043:

Bull Zooker.1672:

the only thing I would disagree with is that I think my 0/30/20/20/0 build is more survivable than the 0/30/20/0/20 build, I have played alot of time with both and have full rabbid and full carrion sets of armor. I find carrion armor and rabbid trinkets are the best combination for survivability and damage. I have 25k hp, 2.2 armor (maybe more) and 1400 condition damage before stacks and food which is nice.

I also dont rely on life stealing/vampire traits.

Alright, so in your case a switch to 30/20/20/0/0 from you current 0/30/20/20/0 build would mean you lose 200 vitality… and that’s it. You could still have your carrion/rabid gear with 23k hp and 2.2k armor. There’s absolutely nothing glassy about this, yet it’s all you need to pull off a Dhuum/Terror build.

So I call bs when someone says those builds are squishy.

i wasn’t arguing with you flow… but you say I lose 200 vitality and thats it… I actually lose a good amount of regeneration and condition transfer through faster dagger recharge, more uptime on weakness.

im not saying that 30/20/20/0/0 is squishy. im saying thakittens possible for us necromancers to be very effective without burning and terror, bleeding is very powerful when done right.

terror and dhuumfire are CHOICES not NECESSITIES. < my point.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I’ve seen plenty of condition builds that were 0/30/20/20/0, and 0/30/10/30/0 before. What they would do is take advantage of the vampiric traits and the crits from rabid to heal themselves as much as possible while also stacking regeneration with the staff. This did provide 200 toughness, 200 vitality, 20% boon duration, and 200 healing, so in the end it ended up being quite tanky as condition builds go.

The 0/30/20/0/20 build is the terror build, and it is deceptively more durable if not for one trait: Last Gasp. This trait, on 60 second cooldown, gives you spectral armor at half health. So basically it gives you spectral armor when you need it, breaking stuns and generating life force while under protection. It is arguably the best defensive trait a necromancr has. This is combined with an increase LF pool, and then any one of the adept major traits in that line, such as Spectral Recharge, which would allow double spectral armor while also making wall (back then it was mostly for protection) and walk more effectively. These terror builds usually achieved 100% feat duration anyway, so the extra time in spite meant very little.

Also, rampager’s is hybrid gear. The “glass cannon equivalent” is still using rabid or carrion, however it has lost the defensive stats from traits and also has lost the few defensive abilities traits had to offer. At 30/30/10/0/0, your only defense is your offense. You need to run spectral wall, and then you have 2 utility slots to go from there, and your choices are incredibly limiting.

the only thing I would disagree with is that I think my 0/30/20/20/0 build is more survivable than the 0/30/20/0/20 build, I have played alot of time with both and have full rabbid and full carrion sets of armor. I find carrion armor and rabbid trinkets are the best combination for survivability and damage. I have 25k hp, 2.2 armor (maybe more) and 1400 condition damage before stacks and food which is nice.

I also dont rely on life stealing/vampire traits.

but I agree with mostly everything mentioned here.

am I the only condition necro that doesn’t take terror or dhuumfire?

I have no issues killing stuff in spvp and wvw. BiP, epidemic and spectral walk.

0/30/20/20/0

weakening shroud, master of corruption and lingering curses.
greater marks and shrouded removal.
dagger recharge and mark on dodge.

great survivability and with adventurer runes you get full condition damage and an extraddodge on heal.

vinceftw.5086:

^ You’re confusing it with lich form. In Plague, you have stability.

you have stability in both plague form and liche…

stability isnt god mode however, can be stripped, stolen, corrupted and you can still be immobilised with stability up

blurps.2340:

Bull Zooker.1672:

I main necro and im leveling an engineer at the moment. from playing ALOT as a necro and my limited time on engineer I can confirm necro will not become superior to engineer due to the addition of burning.

the amount of situations ive survived as an underlevel in WvW as a bomb engie weaving through zergs that I wouldn’t have had a chance to survive on my necro (fully geared with some ascended gear too) are countless.

engineers are the durable condition class. necromancer is MUCH more fragile and stacks conditions slower than engie (necro has better bleed application)

If you have survivability problems as a Necro in WvW zerg situations you need to reevaluate your build and playstyle. Plague Form alone will ensure me being one of the last guys standing even if things go badly for our side and I don’t even use a defensive build.

Roaming solo or in a small group is a different matter, the non-existant options to disengage really hurt there.

plague form (in my experience) just puts a big target over your head to get CC’d and melted.

I dont struggle with staying alive on necro, what im saying is engie is a walk in the park in comparison.

solo roaming 1v1 on necro is great fun. though when you start getting into 2v1 or 3v1 thats where the lack of survivability is truly a kitten.

I have played almost every build there is to play on necro. still my kits engie is more survivable than anything ive found for necro.

google.3709:

@Godofallu.2935

Engineers don’t have nearly as much survival as necro. Necro are more tanky and also have a larger health pool, they can easily clear/transfer all conditions quiet often and they can easily condi burst fear anyone trying to go after them. their survival is quiet impressive tbh.

Necromancers have taken the condi engi place(In PvP at least) BUT…… Engineers continue to be the CC kings. power engi with CC can easily take down necros, something thats nearly impossible with condi engis.

where you say necromancer is more survivable than engie – couldn’t disagree more.

engie has numerous blocks, invulnerability skills, access to stealth a huge variety of CC skills.
necro have fear and death shroud… which is great, I mean I love my death shroud. but it doesn’t compare to multiple blocks and invulnerable skills.

my engie will survive situations my necro wouldn’t have a chance, with less HP and less play time on the class.

engie is awesome survivability if you spec/gear right.
necro is also the first class to get focused in team fights.

I don’t enjoy the whole might stacking thing, it bores the hell out of me.

normally I love your builds nemesis but I dont like/enjoy the play style behind this one. I mean I enjoy playing full zerk, but the emphasis on might stacking is just not my thing, seems tedious.

Looking forward to the hybrid video.

my power DS build is great fun and decent damage.

20/20/0/0/30

spiteful talisman, axe mastery.
weakening shroud, spectral attunement.
spectral recharge, DS recharge and stability on DS.

very fun to play.

used this before the patch with success and it got buffed massively since.

axe/focus and dagger/warhorn or dagger

spectral armor, spectral grasp (though this can be changed out) and spectral walk

Thanks for the feedback guys! ill have to practice my combos and might stacking I think.
I dont play warrior enough to perfect this but will give it a go.

thanks again :-)

hey guys, I mess around on my warrior somtimes and enjoy playing as bursty as possible with low survivability (mostly pve as im a horrendous pvp warrior).

im full beserker at the moment running 10/30/0/0/30 and enjoying it.

is there a trick im missing regarding high dmg? my kill shots hit on lvl 80 mobs at about 10k and my #3 skill hits around 6-7k.

any tips to hit bigger numbers?

maybe taking “on my mark” for extra vulnerability?

I use rifle turret, battering ram ad toolkit. NO complaints here. pump out ALOT of damage with a bit of survivability with ram and toolkit, still have 2 pieces of zerk exotic gear to get.

oh god that engineer and the ‘scared of torment’ comment made me laugh

my burn hits for 830+ with blood is power and 25 stacks of corruption. thats ALOT of dmg when you take into account terror (maybe ticking at 1400+) and 10-20 stacks of bleed at 140+ a tick.

scary dmg. is fine in pve but maybe too much in pvp wvw. time will tell.

like rennoko says, taking 30/30/xxx is a risky build to run and hopefully people will adapt and learn to use more defensive abilities rather than pure dmg. it doesn’t take skill to stack burning and 10 bleeds on a target, which it should considering the dmg it does.

Nate.6974:

Noob question here. 1) what is zerker gear? pvp gear? and 2) why are some people against it?

Just curious. TIA.

my bad, im lazy when on my phone so abbreviate stuff when possible.
zerk – beserker
its very high offense but terrible defence. very unbalanced generally speaking which is why not everyone uses it.

if you want BIG numbers go zerk.

its PvE and PvP gear. also the way you spec.

the 20% increase in damage on a hybrid build turns a 5k crit into a 6k crit.

whereas burn will deal 500-700dmg every second for 4s every 10s.

its an obvious choice in my eyes.

yea im looking forward to using that as a secondary build for my engie. as generally I enjoy condition play more than burst but its nice to have options. engie burst looks like alot of fun

Naustis.8510:

There’s no point in doing a mix gear. With this setup u aren’t a good tank, dps or support. So what are u? If u are skilled, and know how to dodge / when to use kits, u rly no need to get so much survir. Especially when u want to use Rifle as your main weapon.

I’m using zerk gear for the beggining and usually i’m dying as last one

Ps. If u want cool SD build for PvE. Try zerk gear, new trait for rifle. And tool belt skills, i’m using riffle turet, tool kit and Personal Battering Ram. It have a huge dmg already Without full gear (i got only 80% crit rate and 40% crit rate, so it gonna be far higher) rifle is doing 3k AA, SD criting for 2k~ and tool belts spells are criting for about 5k. So if we compare it with their low CD and our Rifle 5->3->4 Combo, engineers got already rly huge dmg

looks like ill be saving up for some zerker gear after all ;-) for fun if nothing else.

sounds like some impressive numbers!

Laceration.4290:

I am currently leveling an engi for wvw roaming and dpsing in pve.

After the last patch and the remake of Rocket Boots I wanted to make a build that used gadgets so I looked into the SD build.

I dislike full zerk gear aswell so I came up with this. I havent tested this out yet cuz my engi is still lvl 40ish =P Hope this will help you.

Build: http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/engineer/?2.0|4.1g.h4|0.0.0.0.0.0|1n.71j.1p.71j.1n.71j.1p.71j.1n.71j.1p.71j|2v.0.2v.0.3v.0.1n.61.1g.64.1i.67|0.u469.0.a6.u32c|39.7|2c.2m.2p.2s.30|e

thanks man, will check it out when I get home. im a new 80 engie. lvled using 4 kits and p/s the whole way, now looking to use something a bit different.

Adamantium.3682:

I am against 100% Berserker gear kind of in principle, but with the new love gadgets and rifle got I decided to make a SD build. I use mostly Berserkers with a couple Valkyrie, 1 Soldier, and 1 Celestial. Compared to full Berserkers I lose about 5% crit chance, a couple percent crit damage, and 50ish power, so not a real difference compared to full Berserker in terms of damage. I gain nearly 2500 health and about 150 toughness, a pretty big difference to full Berserker.

SD build is pretty fun with this! Lots of quick damage, big crits, and even a bit of survive ability depending on your trait/utility choices.

I am also against 100% zerk, thanks for your advice! will look at gear maybe cavalier and valk for some survivability.

VitalSuit.1980:

Carrion armor and Rabid trinkets isn’t burst damage, it’s condition. Most if not all static discharge builds rely on berserker gear because that’s what’s giving you the burst damage.

I know its not ideal gear etc. but was wondering if there was optimal traits and gear for a mix of burst and survivability.

what sort of numbers do you hit with your SD tool belt skills?

thanks for your responses, both of you :-)

I used SD for first time last night in pve (with carrion armor and rabbid trinkets) I’ve seen videos of SD engineers and their burst etc, is it a pure glass build that they use to get that high crits?

maybe 1-3k per tool belt skill?

I was getting in between 300-700 on my set up.

in truth I only used SD because I was trying out the gadgets, I found it to be very fun, and even tthough my SD hit like a wet noodle, it was fun and such.

I used my condition build too but switched the traits up to accommodate the different utilities 20/10/0/20/20

any tips advice?

I was using battering ram, toolkit/bombkit and rocket boots last night.
im no expert in building engineers but I had everything I needed with that set up.

when in trouble use the battering ram and rocket boots in opposite direction. 1200+ distance between you.

DS is 100% more effective now. I ate a warriors 100blades last night just by popping spectral armor and DS4. my LF didnt budge, couldn’t believe it.

a melee DS is a terrible idea. we already have strong single target burst melee.

Travlane.5948:

Bull Zooker.1672:

have you got an effective p/d build lonewolfe? thats what I play on my thief just to be annoying and have fun.

annoying and have fun? i challenge any warrior…ranger…. just these 2 alone i will bet 100g i beat them with 90% hp or more. the rest can be done too with p/d. the only nemesis is another thief running the same or p/d bc of the invis condi removal which makes for a draw at worst. p/d owns :P its not just fun and annoying. i kill d/d eles (of the best sort) even those annoying heal rangers/guardians go down everytime.

I know it is effective, but I don’t play it often enough to play it to its full potential. I have won alot of 2v1’s etc and rarely die when playing it but I like my necro and engie too much to invest too much time in thief.

I play p/d in WvW and sPvP but not too much PvE