Guild Wars 2

How about the BL being terribly designed? Pretty yes won’t argue with that but not a single structure has any strategic value and with auto/dolyak controlled upgrades most are virtually worthless to hold or defend. Or how it has a huge kitten off waste of space pve area in the middle. Or numerous other major drawbacks and bad ideas which outnumber the few good points of the map. But yeah flipping more will solve it……

Jon Olson.8439:

Subgroups and squadmates have different dots already. Though the difference is subtle. see attachment — subgroup is on the left

I’ll pass on the feedback to the team.

ahahahahahahha someone thought this was a kittening good idea? “Subtle” yeah thats just what you need in a 3 way blob fight at 4 fps and your trying to decipher the minimapmess to find your party

Offair.2563:

Was it Baruch Bay “roamers” by any chance?

Don’t be silly, they asked for a fight so couldn’t have been BBers

no thanks, EoTM is a terrible map designed for people to hit doors and earn karma to use for…something or other.

Hell what they should try is replacing the bl’s with 3 slightly modified EB’s, that’d be lolworthy

Anet decided WvW wasnt a viable game mode so rather than cancel it and put up with forum explosion they just made it as kitten as possible so everyone gives up

Pick any server, most of the time you’ll be solo in a map anyway

Anet may be listening but no matter what we say, what they hear is “give us more pve in WvW plz”

Why is no-one playing? Because Anet decided to take a massive kitten on the game mode. A huge steaming, bog clogging, plumber defeating kitten of bad design and decision making

Consider the new BL for a start. It has many nice features and fighting areas but overall it is just not good at all.

It has way to much PvE mainly because some pecker that makes decisions insists that WvWers all love pve.

Auto-upgrades on structures have killed most of the reasons for defence now on the maps after all why bother to scout and defend like we used to when you can quickly flip back and ignore a structure and 3 hours later its T3 again on its own.

Tactically the new map is pretty terrible. For instance, the Alpine northern towers were vital to hold on to due to the threat to garri, now they don’t matter a bean since there’s no threat to garri from them. Again let them flip and k-train them back and let auto-upgrade do its job. In short No-kittens are given to holding the BL any more

Guild upgrades we used to have are now locked behind a nice massive grind structure – note to anet, taking away stuff we already had like the +5 is stupid especially since this map was supposed to try and burst the zerg yet you penalise small groups with stupidity like this.

The size of the map doesn’t help for me, too large and convoluted in parts, you have mass invisibility added in areas and many many more kinds of crap like this that people just don’t want to bother with.

As for hope, unless Anet has a rethink on some of the major design pathways they are following i cant see any hope for WvW as anything other than an EotM 2.0 Ktrain environment.

Just had that aswell, everything was fine for ages after the patch, then went underwater and when i came out none of my facets would stay on for more that a couple of seconds

yeah the PvE event should be binned, its annoying as kitten.

Other than that i quit like it, with a few tweaks i think it could be a good map

Haegar.7530:

not only are there not enough people on the maps, I cant even level my specialization or masteries effectively in wvw… I only play wvw!! I’m stuffed!

I give it 4 weeks. Then I’m off…

tragic, really!

I find wvw reasonably good for specialisations (edit: changed from masteries coz i is a twat). 2-4 hps per wvw level and with boosters the levels come fast

Anyone else really annoyed by the size and placement of the capture message? I find it gets in the way when your trying to fight someone.

Would have been better having a small thin ticker at the top of the map showing last 3 caps or something like that imo or at least make it so that you can turn it off.

I’m kinda liking the new map, not too much experience yet but seems interesting. Bit easy to get lost so far and bit too much PvE kitten in there tho

1. Wp’s in the side keeps – its a very big map, running seems a tad excessive so put WP back in the rotation but late on in the upgrade cycle (adding mushrooms and gliders would be hilarious though )

2. Human upgrade – The auto-upgrade function is fine but too easy to control an enemy border during night time. Require a human to start the next rank of upgrades, at no cost, on all structures you hold on enemy borders, just to give that edge to the home border. As someone from a strong night squad server, there’s no point having the full enemy bl T3 for when they wake up. Demoralises 1 server and bores the other.

3. Put the +5 back in – The object of this map (or one of them) was to break the power of the monoblob which is a great idea but removing the +5 penalises the havok groups roaming in the map

4. PPK – Give us PPK back, it was a great addition to make fights more important that hitting bloody doors. Fed up seeing the worst fighting servers so highly ranked tbh

5. Less PVE/More kitten for badges/Run Alpine 1 week in 4 for variety

msalakka.4653:

I just think it’s hilarious that people really argue with a straight face that the reason the new maps are vacant is because veteran WvW players are in PvE.

Joined the new map yesterday for the first time, despite really disliking pve for the most part, been there all week unlocking masteries.

I am a special snowflake

Feel free to print that out and make a badge if recognition is what you need.

Personally I don’t think it quite low enough yet but I do appreciate that it has been revamped to be more alt/nonpver friendly. Its still a lot of work and will probably mean that I drop a few classes from my playing but at least there is a more realistic time to get these specs. I think with boosters I was looking at 160 wvw levels for a spec at 4/5 a day (I scout alot) so that should be down to 100ish which I can live with

I’ve only played a little the last few days in EB but i thought some of the upgrades seemed to go a bit too pacey, specially SM, that might need a tweak.

I really like your upgrade idea tho, a required player intervention would stop the runaway auto-upgrade issue. This isnt good for any of the servers in the MU, the weaker get demoralised trying to retake everything thats T3 so they don’t bother and the stronger gets no fights leading to mass boredom

Think a lot of guilds/players are grinding out Hps, halls and arenas for a week/two and then it should pick up again i think

Decado.9304:

You can also trade in tournament tickets in for wxp points at the laurel trader to level up quickly, handy if you don’t like those reward skins.

oh apparently its not meant to be able to do this and that’s why the notary was disabled

my apologies for suggesting it, didn’t realise this was a bug

I tried them out a bit but didn’t really like how fragile i was – at least on my ranger trapper i have oodles of stealth to hide in.

Did really enjoy medi-DH tho, that kitten was fun, played gs/ sc&focus so long i couldn’t be botherd with it very often but throw in a longbow and you got some interesting new moves to try out.

HtFde.3856:

Decado.9304:

Crunk n monkey.3749:

I don’t get the argument here. If you completed map comp, like I did on several characters before HoT came out. You already had around 200 extra hero points saved up. So when HoT came out, you had a 200 point lead to blow on the specialization. So all you really needed was 200 more. I started on Reaper with only 4 HP, and in 4 days I’ve gotten up to 85% done and have 75 HP more until Elite Specialization, and truthfully I feel I can have that before Halloween. Doesn’t feel like that terrible of a grind considering the grind for XP with the mastery system and it certainly isn’t going to take a long time.

I don’t know why I said map comp, all you really needed was all the Hero Challenges done in the game.

The only class/specialization I feel sorry for is the Revanant/Herald. They have to start out crisp and from the beginning, unlike the other classes that could have an early jump on the specialization.

And those who dont or very rarely pve?

Well – that leaves PvP or WvW, doesn’kitten

In PvP the elite specs are unlocked – no hassle.

In WvW you get those little tokens you can trade – I ran around EoTM for a bit with my revenant to get a few levels and I made 12 tokens in that time = 12 hero points I can use for that,

Actually it might be faster via WvW than via HoT unless you already have the masteries unlocked to get to the HPs.

I know, it was a rhetorical question to just another player who automatically assumes PvE is the only game mode and everyone has 100% map comp

You can also trade in tournament tickets in for wxp points at the laurel trader to level up quickly, handy if you don’t like those reward skins.

200 wvw levels per elite spec is a exceptionally harsh tho, and lets be honest eotm is a cheesefest of kittenness, i play to fight players not doors

Crunk n monkey.3749:

I don’t get the argument here. If you completed map comp, like I did on several characters before HoT came out. You already had around 200 extra hero points saved up. So when HoT came out, you had a 200 point lead to blow on the specialization. So all you really needed was 200 more. I started on Reaper with only 4 HP, and in 4 days I’ve gotten up to 85% done and have 75 HP more until Elite Specialization, and truthfully I feel I can have that before Halloween. Doesn’t feel like that terrible of a grind considering the grind for XP with the mastery system and it certainly isn’t going to take a long time.

I don’t know why I said map comp, all you really needed was all the Hero Challenges done in the game.

The only class/specialization I feel sorry for is the Revanant/Herald. They have to start out crisp and from the beginning, unlike the other classes that could have an early jump on the specialization.

And those who dont or very rarely pve?

Nephar.3746:

i dont get your point rly..
i just play like 2 hours each day in the evening and i fully unlocked the daredevil spec yesterday (4 days after release), with 210 Hp already stored.
i am unlocking the druid spec with just 40 HP stored and i began using the druid spec even with only the first trait.. just for using the staff.
i dont see this as an issue unless u want it ALL and NOW when the game just release…
take your time and relax… u can even play the spec without being fully unlocked u know?

Congrats on not bothering to read and understand the crux of the complaints. No one wants everything instant…..

coolcatz.6730:

I am level 25 on my Ranger and have only found 1 animal I could tame. I know they have to say juvenile and I never see any. I wish they would add more, or am I just missing them….

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_pet_locations

that will give you all the locations and maps you you can zip around and get the ones you like quickly

I’m pretty shocked that Anet are just throwing a deafie to everyone aswell, considering how many complaints there are.

Bit sad as well considering how much of the other stuff I kinda actually like but that I am put of from bothering with due to this 1 point.

For instance I loved the questline in GW1 to get my little black moa chick and would seriously think about actually doing some pve (instead of 100% wvw) and getting my very own “from scratch” legendary (i know theres some dubiety about whether or not you save money but i dont care about cash, i could buy one today but actually doing a worthwhile achievement, that’d be fun).

I also like the account mastery system, no idea if the xp gate levels will need tweaking since I don’t pve but its pretty nicely thought out and has some interesting bonuses

Got guild halls

Got a new Border map finally and lots of other good kitten to come

But for the most part i won’t see most of this because I’m just not that interested in grinding through playing the same old builds with the same old weapons to eventually unlock the elite specs. Stifling variety until after you have completed most of the expac and also forcing people to main toon rather than play many alts is a bad direction to go.

imo you made a lot of pretty good stuff in HoT but are also doing a lot of damage by not doing something about this, at the very least communicating with people

Just bite the bullet and make the elite spec weapon open up on 60 hps and the rest of the trait line and skills open up between 60-120 hps

Coulter.2315:

Again the content is really fun and I think if these guys would just go give it a try and get into it they’d have what they want and have a blast doing it.

You really think i (and virtually every other wvw/pvp player who says they dont pve) hasn’t at least tried pve? I’ve ran 2 chars all the way to the final mission, although i haven’t got interested enough to actually do that one yet tho. Ive been in the odd dungeon (3 story modes iirc) and ran a few world bosses.

For the most part…utterly boring as kitten. But who cares, this is a multi mode game so wether you only pve or pvp or wvw or do some combination of all 3, you should have access to the basic game mechanics

Dante.1763:

I wonder just how many of these people saying such things wanted WVW mapping removed from tyrian mapping!(I did, but i still went out and mapped it)

hehe yeah i remember the mega whining that went on over that. Sooooo unfair to force us to wvw when we don’t want to……plznerfploxkthx

Coulter.2315:

hurrado and Decado; hurrado said something along the lines of “I don not want to play that zone i will not do PvE” and Decado has said a few times he is only considering WvW as an option of play.

Again, please explain why this is a problem? most of the people i know and play with are non pve’ers so why does it make a difference? It is a multi game mode game as Anet repeatedly points out

So what if people wont do PvE? I don’t but i do play the other game modes. Are you trying to say this is a pve expac so i should quit my complaining?

Churn out lol.

Not hard to explain my character. I’m a WvW player only, 2 accounts, each on different servers with half dozen chars on each. Its entirely unexcessive to be able to grab the class required for a raid and all have been levelled, kitted out with gear without any complaint.

Oh and its Anets job to keep grind level reasonable since they are the ones selling products on the basis that they don’t do grind

Straylight.7529:

Decado.9304:

Virtually every complaint I have read regarding elite spec cost of 400 pts is complaining about the steepness of it and the need for it to be reduced, NOT ELIMINATED but reduced so that people can obtain then in reasonable time (especially those of us, and there are many, who dont PVE)

The expansion came out three days ago. You still have enough time to collect your hero points within reasonable time.

so you think a year or 2 is reasonable time to unlock a specialisation on a dozen characters?

Coulter.2315:

I don’t understand why people are upset either, I got my elite spec fully unlocked early Sunday and didn’t start playing until late Friday evening and had all the Masteries required for story on Saturday.

Its literally opening weekend and people are saying because they didn’t get something instantly its suddenly a “grind.” Everything I did to get my Masteries and Elite Spec was new content – no repetition of events or areas – just exploring and the Story.

The expansion is beautiful, the mobs are fun to fight, the maps are huge with so mmany hidden fun bits, the meta events are well designed and the story was pretty good too. Clearly a lot of work has gone into it and people are too busy obsessing over not having access to a GM trait instantly that they are missing the fun.

If this is how people react to all the work put in I hate to imagine how the devs are feeling – because it isn’t a fair representation of what we got… Mob mentality or just too much hand holding in the past? And people who say “you only are having fun because you played the game more” are basicly saying “you have fun the more you play” (‘less is more’ only works for makeup).

Oh look, another one who thinks the problem is that people didn’t get insta access to elite specs. Seriously can you read the complaints before posting first?

Virtually every complaint I have read regarding elite spec cost of 400 pts is complaining about the steepness of it and the need for it to be reduced, NOT ELIMINATED but reduced so that people can obtain then in reasonable time (especially those of us, and there are many, who dont PVE)

hell i even threw in some napkin maths 4 or 5 posts above yours to give some idea of the issue and still you couldn’t understand it…..

Dante.1763:

And cant WVW earn them through WVW?

Roughly 200 lvls needed per elite unlocked i think was the last figure i seen calculated.

Now take those 200 lvls and multiply that by 12 (I have 13 toons with a total between them of 400 pts) gives 2400 WvW levels I would need to get to open up the lines. Now figure in my current rank of ~2300 after 2-3 years. I figure you have the gist of the problem by now….

Working for something is not the issue, its the projected length of time its going to take to unlock them that is

I did my gwamm on gw and enjoyed it, no complaints even on some of the more grindy titles. I have 300 or so hps from 5k hours played and will not even be considering grinding the 4500 or so hps I need to unlock the specs I bought the game for across my various toons.

mgee.9263:

It seems that people expected everything to be handed to them on a plate and because they cant max out everything in a matter of hours are taking exception to it and complaining it.

Again like many others you make a statement without reading the complaints.

I don’t need to be given them instantly but do need a way of achieving the specs – which I bought this game for – in a reasonable time frame.

There are other game modes than pve and people who don’t pve have massive amounts of playtime and virtually no hps and the projected time to unlock them across multiple toons is beyond ridiculous.

I’d have to say at this point, save your money, i regret the purchase

IEatCabbage.1907:

1. Complaints on elite specialization being locked and “…requires too much effort” is a valid complaint, because when you compare it to other specializations, which cost no more than 60, it cost way too much and can be considered unfair and grindy. Anet really need to address this issue as I personally believe if they scale down the cost to 60, most people will be satisfied

This is all that bothers me so far (haven’t had the impetus to log in today so haven’t really tried out the new bl map, hopefully it wont suck). Elite specs need drastically scaled down to make them achievable in reasonable time frames – especially for those with many alts.

Hell they’re elite, make it 120 pts and i, and most fellow wvw’ers, would prolly be happy – especially if we could trade in the 1000’s of useless wxp pts we have lying around that cant be used and for some reason weren’t converted to something useful….

pfanne.9783:

and who doesn’t have 60hp on a lvl80 character?

12 toons with only 3 having 60pts or more (180pts for my top chap) from 5000+ hours

Answer your question?

The new zones are probably great and look lovely and i would prolly have wandered into them and did everything once on the 1 character thats ever done a few hours pve eventually however my game modes are pvp/wvw and the prospect of spending all my time for the foreseable future grinding to hell and back so i can use elite spec is just discouraging me to bother.

I’ll go with 2/10 since you finally put in a new border map but i seriously regret buying HoT for both my accounts and will probably just play core specs and chalk the lost money up to experience. Never have I logged off and got bored with an expac or game on its release day so gg for that anet

Rupture.7683:

Dear Anet,.

I want to preface my the following statements with my gratitude for working so kitten HoT. In a lot of ways the PvE in this Xpac is far better than that of the original. I have played this game for almost 4 years and I have almost 5k hours of play recorded; however, I have never done a single map comp, or even finished story mode on any of my 6 characters. My game-mode is pvp and wvw. For a long time I have felt like this side of the community gets the short end of the stick on many facets of the game. For instance, one of my major complaints was how I felt punished for being a pvp/wvw player. I could never have a legendary because I didn’t do map comp. Well without breaking bank so to speak. This feeling of punishment has bled into the new Xpac. While you have done a marvelous job making PvE something I want to do, I feel that my 5k hours, maxed pvp rank, and 1800 wvw rank should qualify me for opening an elite specialization. I, like many others, have tons of extra wvw points and spirit shards. The following are my suggestions if you are indeed listening to your player base, which I think you are. : )

1) Let us use our left over wvw rank pts to unlock elite specializations.
2) Award elite specialization progression based on AP points.
3) Add class specific boosters that can be purchased with laurels to enhance the progression of elite specialization.
4) Make elite specialization an account bound achievement, which will provide access to the elite specialization for the normal cost of a specialization when leveling up a new character.
5) Try to consider those people who have spent hours enjoying your game, although it may be different from how you want them to enjoy it, and as is the tradition of time-gating, reward your strong player base who have been here for the long haul.

Anet, again thank you for your hard work and creating an Xpac where the PvE is truly fun! I am looking forward to exploring this new content at my own pace, and with much hope that you will revise the elite specialization mechanics, as it does seem to be an important topic to us (the player base). XD

This post is me, most of my guild and most of the people I know who play. Do some of the suggestions to fix your cluster kitten of a grindfest

Don’t worry the reduce-a-grind-a-tron will (probably) be coming to a gemstore near you soon in order to alleviate this grindfest. ker-ching

Gaile Gray.6029:

First, thank you for saying, in your first sentence, my very thoughts: “It’s been less than 16 hours, and that’s ’forever?” Secondly, thanks for a smile. I’d love to see the statue that goes with that award.

First, nice to actually see an Anet comment in a thread, secondly , pity you only replied to one of the few people agreeing with you and ignored all the other comments and complaints about your new terribly thought out grind system.

Also very nice to see your lack of respect to those customers with complaints

Ashen.2907:

Pre-purchase = bad.

Anet has now taught me this, If i had a delorean i wouldzip back to last month, punch myself in the face and steal the credit card i was about to use to pre-purchase this grindfest with and buy beer instead

Liewec.2896:

400 is only 40 hero challenges, and thats in the extremely unlikely event that you start from 0,

What is extremely unlikely about having 0? I have 9 or 10 toons at 0-10 points, all WvW characters, and my other 3 have maybe 400 pts between then at most. A situation large numbers of people are in

As a WvW player who has 12 or so level 80 characters, 3 had 100-200 pts and the rest with 0-20.

400 pts for each and every one? kitten that, I don’t expect kitten to be handed to me on a plate but if you think i’m gonna bother doing 40 odd missions 10 times just to have the specs i bought this frigging expansion for then you’re insane.

All this new grind philosophy is going to do is make me main 2 or so characters and let the others fade. Utter horsekitten

wow Anet, you are so detached from the wishes of your players base that it is no longer even funny. Seriously do you have a monday morning “How we gonna kitten up WvW this week” meeting?

Absolutely terrible reset timings. Looks like my last reset raid has passed

Inform the masters! Recruit really bad american PvD guilds STAT

Or install a 2nd potato to run WvW on?

EB especially is just a waste of time, horrendous lag anytime you even see an enemy blob

How about a week where you try to implement kitten that will improve wvw instead of trying to force eotm2 on us?

I would tell you the reasons why BB are such a terrible server but, like your numerous crappy thieves, you’ll prolly alt-f4 out before reading this thread

Worst, by a mile, server eu