Guild Wars 2

keroksi.3076:

If you wait for all the old bugs to be fixed before you can even start considering a new feature, the new feature will never come. I agree on that.

They heavily advertised the game from PvP perspective and used words like Esports and such to attract competitive PvP players to the game.

Fixing bugs and getting game stable is called BETA, but for some reason they decided to call the game ready and started cashing with it.

Now I think i have every right to shout after these promised features as for now, the whole PvP only feels like an minigame merged into the PvE game.

And comparing things to wow is lame, as WoW created all of its features from scratch and thats not the deal here with gw2.

Lol, WoW creating all it’s features from scratch? I’d love to get PROOF of that before you make any such statements.

Also not everything was not in for Beta either. But sure let them withdraw the game until there are no bugs left. That is if you can wait 3-5 years.

Also I never said you’re not allowed to shout I was stating that things take time implementing a new feature takes even longer than fixing bugs. Which for some people are more of a pain than a missing feature.

I’m starting to get the feeling that those supporting this are either Warriors or Thiefs…

But yeah fine have your immunity if I can have reduced damage on Backstabs, Hundred Blades and Pistolwhip. Either that or they remove Quickness completely.

keroksi.3076:

Topic pretty much sums it.

8v8 zergballing is not entertaining for more than 1h and after that, the spamming gets really meaningless.
Also queuing against premades as a random group is a pain. (oh and PLS save the smart “random group can win a premade”-statement to yourself. ty)

Soon been a month from the release and we havent got ANYTHING on the pvp side.
Even the promised blog seems to take weeks to write. So frustrating.

“Random group can win a premade!” you asked for it… Anyway it is true it can be frustrating seeing the 8v8 zergfest but personally I don’t mind it. Since I rarely use it unless I make a new char to try something out. Else I normally just stick with the tournament style and so far I’ve won or come second in most of the tournaments I’ve done. Also if you were to pay attention some of these “Random” groups as you call it are actual premades as well. A premade is not defined by having a full team but at least a duo since it’s a “Premade party” anyway point being most teams I’ve been in have either had 2-4 from the same guild so it’s not often I see every person being from different guilds.

Also a month for something like they’re supposedly planning is nothing. Considering the amount of programming, debugging and redoing that’s needed. Heck even making a simple game of blackjack with a GUI can take a week or so. Without a GUI about a day more or less depending on the complexity of it.

People just seem to be replying without any kind of knowledge or respect for the work that’s needed. Now I’m not saying it you don’t know anything but the point still stands that it does take a while to implement the things they’ve been claiming to have in store for sPvP…

Very very very crude way of putting it but I didn’t feel like writing a paper on it…

Now let the flaming commence were people try and say they promised this n that n we haven’t gotten it yet. WoW is 8 years old and still have bugs. Nothing is bug free for there’s always unexpected incidents when you’re working with code.

EDIT: Even seperating premades from single joiners takes a while cause one thing wrong could screw up even more. Also no one likes waiting but patience is a virtue sadly.

One way of doing it is giving the Treb repairing a LONG channeled cast time with the announcer stating (Enemy team is repairing their trebuchet!)

Fixed you got enough time to get their and stop them. No instant repairs

Nooo, if so than Hundred Blades and Pistol Whip really need a damage nerf… Cause atm on my Engi I “rely” on my knockbacks/Knockdowns to avoid the Gimmick builds…

Also pro.tip: Single Que Tournament… At first I avoided Tournament cause I figured I wasn’t good enough after a while I just got sick n tired of 8v8 n tried tourney… Well I’ve never touched 8v8 hot join ever since. xD

First of Illusions are divided in two subcategories. Clones and Phantasms.

Clones: Looks exactly like the caster just dumber (AI don’t dodge or move like a madman)

Phantasms: Purplish ghost of the caster but with specialized weapon attacks. (Dualist uses dual guns and is a pistol offhand skill)

Also targeting things you don’t want to… Part of the game at cause….

1: Necro Pets are meant to both take damage and deal damage they’re not something you should ignore if it’s a Minion Master cause than you might as well just roll around and play dead.

2: Ranger pets meant to take damage? No, no and no. They’re just like the Necro pets meant to mostly deal damage but capable of taking damage as well.

3: Mesmer illusions are their damage if built for it. Clones for shattering and Phantasms for “Burst”. Depending on the Mesmer killing either even if it’s by accident is a good idea.

4: Turrets, they’re meant to kill you. Trying to kill you, in my Turret focused build they do quite a lot of the damage for me while I try and survive. Downing me won’t kill the turrets, I’ve seen people die and me rally cause they figured getting me downed is smarter.

So yeah it’s just something that needs to be trained after a while you’ll be able to tab target between all those targets an instantly be able to recognize what’s a “human” target and what’s something you’d rather not attack.

AuldWolf.7598:

Too long post to quote…

I applaud you good sir. /bow /applaud…

Anyway was gonna play Charr from launch but changed cause of Asura animations… Guess I made the wrong choice. :P Good thing I made another Engineer but Charr this time around.

I think it’s fine the way it is since it lets one grab a coffee or grab a bite or so.

BUT I do agree on that ones everyone is inside the map it should be 60s. But before everyone is on the map keep it 5m. :S

No other race has been capable of Quantum Mechanical Transportation and in turn rely on our Asura gates. We Asura are Technomagical masters, we mix our engineering with magic. We do not rely on magic it’s just that we have an abundant mastery in how to use it to create the best solution.

Also don’t blame all those bookah mistakes on us as a whole. Blame the Inquest which if I am not mistaking are actually funded by the Flame Legion. The High Legion rejects.

Anyway the Charr are useful that is a fact. No other race make a better distraction than a Charr.

Also in terms of working together. I recent that statement. We know perfectly well how to cooperate as long as the goal is the same for both involved parties. Also if anything if you place three Asura in a room you won’t have one dead, one blind and dumb and one swearing innocence. You’d have a heated argument on what the best approach would be each of them voting for their own solution ofcourse to prove superior to the other two dimwits in the room.

Also I will admit that I as a proud Asuran Engineer do use your creations of mass destruction BUT it was the Asura who managed to harness that destructive power of your rifles, pistols, flamethrowers, grenades and Elixir gun and provide a smaller more efficient solution to them without giving up any of the “Oomph” as you Charr express it.

Andocair.2918:

Nice lore friendly explanation.

But as for the question why we should waste magical energies: 1st – because we can, 2nd – energy is never wasted, it just changes form. Even if the dragons do consume magic (as proven by professor Gorr), and don’t excreete it in some other form, this would only mean that if the dragon dies, all the energy is either set free, or can be refined from its carcass.

Well either way as Gorr stated magic is finite because of the dragons. If the dragons are dealt with (All of them not only Zhaitan) than lets get our magical cannons n turrets operating Engineer style.

Oh? Now that’s one way of seeing it…

The way I see it though…

While Asura’s are technological superior in terms of magical strength in comparison with the Charr their crude technology is far superior in terms of destructive force. But since an Asura is smaller than the average race we are not capable of carrying the gigantic Charr technology for the destructive force they possess. There for the AEC (Asura Engineering Council) have decided to replicate Charr technology at a smaller scale to prove to the Charr and the other races that Asura technology is far superior. Due to the fact at how easy it was to replicate and downscale Charr technology when they them self can’t accomplish this.

So only reason our Engineers are still using Charr technology is to rub it in the face of the Charr that whatever a Charr can build an Asura can not only build but build better and improve on the original design.

As for our turrets why should we waste our magical resources on mundane disposable turrets? Sure the inquest does it constantly but that has only lead them to stealing what they require for their absurd experiments. Besides there will always be some other dimwitted Charr engineer with more than enough ammunition to fuel the turrets while the magical resource for our own turret designs. Is actually quite finite due to the dragons presence which threatens our magical supplies.

Once the AEC has found an way to harness infinite energy to power our turrets and weapons with we are currently stuck with using the Charr designs for our weapons since the materials are easier to come by. Besides it’s fun to annoy the Charr that we’ve taken their designs one step further by downscaling them while still keeping the original destructive force of the full size ones.

KansasFF.9410:

Elshagan.6342:

Mmh, I have to agree with you on this. Cause in all honesty most of the complaints about HB/PW even HS are based around the fact that they took “advantage” of quickness to just a degree short of idiotically stupid.

HB + Quickness = 2s to kill someone
PW + Quickness = 4s to kill someone (Double use of Pistol Whip)
HS + Quickness = Xs to kill (Just a spamable targeted nuclear missile)

Without Quickness they were all quite balanced I’d have to say.

There are plenty of counters to this. 1) build with toughness. 2) Slot sigils/traits that activate at X% of health that do cool things to stop it. Also, teamwork.

I agree its annoying in pubs, but even with quickness its not nearly close to OP in tPVP.

Oh, I know it’s nearly as close to “OP” in tPvP actually rarely seen it… Other than this 4 War n 1 Guardian team the other day… That was just ridiculous… But the point is still that it’s Quickness making HB/HS/PW so “OP” and not that they’re good. :P Even though they would require a better setup than 4 buttons. “For Greater Justice!” > Bull Rush > Frenzy > Hundred Blades > Win…

N inb4 “You don’t know what you’re talking about” sadly I do tried it, hated it, deleted it in that order. Was the most dull combat I’ve ever experienced sure it was nice to be on the “dealing” side so to say but I was in shock at how easy it was. Even had my brother try it and he killed people like there was no tomorrow… Was sad to see how easy it was since I really do like Warriors just not in their current HB or die state.

WvW is PvP by definition. But using WoW as an example of any kind of balance? Really? Alright well Daoc n Warhammer are the prime example of perfect balance… Really it was soooooooo awesome perfectly balanced! /Sarcasm off…

Anyway WvW is about the persistant experience, you don’t see Daoc, Warhammer not even Planetside 2 (once released) turning off their servers at 2am because of “Normal” people sleeping. (Normal being the typical average Joe. Sleeps 8 Hours, Works 8 Hours than either games or something else) Sometimes I even find myself up at around 4am doing WvW cause of something going on in WvW that just catches me into it.

So while Nightcapping is a bloody pain in thekitten#8230; You can’t really change it by punishing those who do not sleep during the night. People have suggested IP restriction for non EU players but honestly that would not really change anything if anything you’d have people laughing at your for the fact the IP restriction didn’t work.

Currently the only problem I have as an 80 is the repair cost in terms of WvW as it stands the current Risk/Reward is greatly unbalanced. By the fact that if you take 1 keep in WvW you’ll only get about 1-3 silver per keep. While a repair is around 9-20 silver depending on how far gone your armor is.

Mmh, I have to agree with you on this. Cause in all honesty most of the complaints about HB/PW even HS are based around the fact that they took “advantage” of quickness to just a degree short of idiotically stupid.

HB + Quickness = 2s to kill someone
PW + Quickness = 4s to kill someone (Double use of Pistol Whip)
HS + Quickness = Xs to kill (Just a spamable targeted nuclear missile)

Without Quickness they were all quite balanced I’d have to say.

Honestly I stopped reading after I saw what you suggested for Greatsword… Especially for HB… You can have a it channeled on the move or a stun for it if they reduce the damage by 10-25%… On the other hand the easiest solution wouldn’t be nerfing it but removing quickness completely from the game.

On the other hand just reread it and really? You seem to have a thing for vulnerability… They already changed it once from “Defense” reduction to the current 1% dmg increase…. With your proposed changes at least for the axe which is already hitting hard enough imo a single warrior in theory could apply all 25 stacks of vulnerability. Depending on the duration for it though.

Overall I’d say while some suggestions are wishful thinking your comments about the banners, shouts, signets etc are quite sound. I’ve never used the banners for they just seemed like a waste of time for a buff you’d have to move constantly. Shouts they’re alright but agreed shake it off could use the stability instead.

Signets, well I think the signets are alright cause in one way you’ll have to decide if you want the Passive of them or the Active. On the other hand compared to the Elementalists signets they are a bit on the heavy side cooldown wise.

What is needed tho is balancing around the other weapons a warrior has at his disposal that is true I must admit.

Lvl 80 Asurian Engineer from Gandara.
Weapon: Ebon Vanguard
Shield: Ebon Vanguard
Head: Emblazoned Helm
Shoulders: Noble
Coat: Rascal
Gloves: Prowler
Pants: Noble
Feet: Noble

Might get another monocle for the head… (Noble Helm is a monocle)

Rather a steep learning curve over a 3 button faceroll 100b build anyday.

But yeah, I do like n love the Engi as it is currently, minus the bugs ofc. So yeah once they fix the bugs it’s gonna be alri… Correction IF they fix the bugs it’s gonna be alright.

Vandal the #4 one is actually a bit weird.

The longer the sword stays in the target the more stacks you’ll see from it. So pulling it out prematurely is a risk at losing bleeds, but waiting to long is also risky since it doesn’t last forever.

Is there someway to actually see if you have Mail Authorization on your account? I remember getting the pop up for it n agreeing to use it… But I’ve never gotten any mails when I’ve logged in so I’m just curious if it’s actually active for my account. :S

Defektive, I have to say thanks for providing something other than the Hundred Blades build.

I do not play a Warrior main but as an alt, when I went into sPvP n decided to try this “OP Hundred Blades build” well… Most boring, dull stupid thing I’ve ever played so thank you for bringing something different that is not as simple as literally facerolling the keys.

But anyway onto the build. Mmh, I have to say I like it but what are your thoughts about Sword/Axe? With the bleed on Crit sigils? I find it applies alot of bleeds with the Axe Whirl along with an extra Fury buff.

Alright so Gimmick Warriors are easy enough to handle now. But how the heck do one handle Thiefs with their 8.3k Backstabs n 3.6k steals etc? Just give up n die or is there a way to actually fight them?

Orr… I hate it… Not because it’s bad or so but seriously… It’s creepy… Risen chickens, risen cows, risen bulls, risen fishes… o.o Risen farmers still working…

Also most of the Risen might not have their souls but some of them seem to possess parts of their soul or at least memories n personality from before their death.

Arena Net you’ve done an awesome job with Orr… Just one of those places where one really do not want to be… The only major problem I have with Orr tho is all the poison… So much poison…

3 Words to explain the current mentality…

Red…Is…Dead…

No one really bothers most of the time to see what server that red named person is from.

Rather a sniper kit than the proposed changes to rifle…….

/Signed

I don’t get it… Seriously someone explain to me what’s so bad with the rifle being a shotgun like weapon? Warriors are warriors, Engineers are Engineers… Why do you want to make us Wannabe Warriors? Why is it that people are making it seem like Offense is the best Defense…

Battering ram > Jump Shot > Blunderbuss/Overcharged shot > If Blunderbuss(Overcharged shot) If Overcharged(Skip) > Netshot > Profit…

Also for the Sniper trait 10% crit when standing still… Personally I think it’s the dumbest thing ever… Why not just have 90 Precision or 10% crit when using a Rifle? Why do we need to stand still…

So I ask this… Why do people want another Rifle Warrior when they could of rolled a Rifle Warrior…

Lets have playable skritt with a passive “Shiny!: Automatically run towards any shiny object or entity in close to your persona”

Now imagine going to Queensdale, Black Citadel… Heck imagine fighting the Flame Legion… Shiny!!!

irakai.6891:

See the rifle for what it is. A medium/short range control weapon that deals average burst in a power/crit build.

The only problem with it is that its 5 is very slow to start up and finish, its 3 has a weird arc of fire and deals only full damage at less than melee range, and its 2 can be obstructed/avoided when its 1 would normally hit.

We don’t need the Warrior’s rifle. We just need improvements on our own.

Skills:
2: Agreed it gets obstructed by nothing and is actually effected by if someone just “moves” away from the spot.
3: True, the range for max damage does seem a bit bugged or very weird to say the least.
5: The skill is alright but the only thing bugging me is the .2-.5s that you’re still hanging in mid air.

Personal suggestion:
1: Since I love being up close I’d love for the 1 skill to be a shotgun like ability as in the closer you are the more damage… BUUT for all those Wannabe rifle warriors out there I guess this wouldn’t be a positive thing.

Explosive shot is a VERY very close ranged AoE, they literally have to stand almost ontop of eachother for it to hit as an aoe.

coglin.1496:

You mean it is a nerf to your particular crit percentage build? How so? I am not understanding the logic in claiming that the same damage at a 1200 range is a nerf to it at 400 range? how do you make such an unusual conclusion ?

Actually it’s not a crit build put more of power build, n reason I’d consider it a nerf is cause it’s built to be up close n in your face. :P If I wanted to be ranged I would of rolled a Warrior or Ranger, not an Engineer since they’re mid ranged yet people do not seem to understand that. But either way point still stands, bring in a shotgun with current abilities n you can have your changes.

Since everyone is so keen on having the rifle nerfed… Yes I consider it a nerf since I love the rifle in it’s current form. Knockback/immobilize build hell yeah! 3.2k Crits with blunderbuss up close, knock them back n jump on top of their skulls for another 2.4k crit

So unless you give me a proper shotgun I say no for this nerf!

Yep, the Whisperer weapons are normally with the addition of a silcencer. BUT as Banjal pointed out sound stay the same.

Well if you really want to press 2 that much lets have them change it again.

You can have the 20% dmg back, sure why not make it 35% dmg back just for fairness BUT than remove the increase in dmg the lower hp the target has. Fair change no? Cause I’m sick n tired of seeing 3-5k Heartseeker crits. So yeah remove the special thing about it and you can have 15% more dmg back than it did previously!

But no seriously I’ve played thief from 1-80 along with Engineer 1-80 and let me tell you that the only Thi… Correction the only people complaining about this nerf are the ones who dare not utilize anything other than dagger/dagger n Heartseeker.

Also saying that there’s no point using it on a 100% mob? Yes n no on that one since I’d still use it for leaping to the target than using cloak n dagger > Backstab… But seriously it’s been nothing but a crutch for bad Thiefs along with haste. To be fair I’d rather have them remove Haste, Frenzy, Quickening Zephyr etc cause Quickness being the proper problem in this. But that didn’t happen so don’t complain that they balanced it around the fact that it was used a bit too much in combat compared to the other skills.

For those now pointing fingers to 100 blades, sure it is darn overpowered but seriously you got “Roll for Initiative” for instance which lets you avoid most of the damage and than laugh at them for standing there like a fool hitting nothing.

ayoryor.4961:

Yeah everyone loves the Asura, they say human /dance sucks

Wuuut? Human /dance sucks? Guess they have no taste in music than.. Nor have they seen Party Rock Anthem Music Video.

BUUT agreed dance for Asura is wiiiin!

The charr has the ultimate teabag dance tho someone said earlier today in the WvW puzzle.

Silvow.3748:

Everybody can deny that their are canadians on the FR server, got a canadian friend, and he confirmed that there are alot of canadian people on Vizunah Square.
And Arenanet has to do something about it, maybe make a FR server in US, because its not fun always have a 60k point diffrence already in the morning.
I dont care personaly but i know people on my server getting annoyed and already wanna leave game because of this issue

Must mean that there’s at least 50% Americans on Desolation… Since I got an American friend who plays there and he says so. But apparently people are too thick to realize “war” never sleeps… Heck imagine that in Iraq, everyday at 2am(gmt) everyone goes to sleep. No one will get killed in the middle of the night, no raids, no fighting since everyone has to sleep. You wish… Sure it’s a game but bloody hell the only ones who are properly whining are the ones who have a life. If your life is such a bother that you have to sleep than throw it away and become another “French-Canadian” you claim they have.

Now I’m gonna sit back n wait until Gandara starts winning cause of night capping and people to start claiming we have Russians or Aussies.

Because Karma is easy to get. Do more events. At 40 I already had 33k karma. :S After doing events whenever I find one.

Apparently you can… :S IT just doesn’t say. I went straight into a borderland n got an invite for EB. xD

They already have an sPvP system for Premade vs Premade it’s this thing called free tournament. You just sign up as a team/premade and voila you play against other teams/premades. If that doesn’t suit your needs just kitten off really. :S No need for premades in the “Hot joinable”

I have to agree that the scale of some weapons is just a bit over the top.

As a Pistol/shield Engineer I find the scale to be just about right.
BUT at one point I wanted to switch to Rifle but the Rifle… It’s non existent in terms of size, I was expecting a RIFLE not a peashooter, so in the end I just rolled another Engineer but this time a charr n oooh gods shall know that a proper rifle in the hands of a charr looks like a gift from heaven. So yeah please fix Asura scaling a bit or offer race changes/name changes…

That is true the animation itself could use some speeding up.

Compared to Asura running next to you it’s like watching a slow-mo movie. Please increase animation speed by 25-50%

I like the idea, but while at it why not just make changed to the NR:1 skill as well? In it’s current form it’s like a proper rifle.

But for Sniper mode: Deals more damage the further away you are
Shotgun mode: Deals more damage the closer you are.

LinseyMurdock.4165:

Tooltips only report disciplines that the item can be used to DISCOVER recipes for, it does not report recipes that are unlocked through an item. So for instance, the Godskull recipes are all unlocked through a purchased item, so the skulls don’t report anything to the tooltip because they are only used for those recipes. Basically, just because a crafting material doesn’t list any disciplines in the tooltip, doesn’t mean it’s not used for anything. We did this for a few reasons, many because it allows us to have hidden unlockable recipes and because it actually reduced confusion a lot. We were finding that if we reported all recipes to the tooltip, even the ones that players couldn’t discover, it meant that players were spending a lot of time frustrated that they couldn’t figure out the ingredients for that last recipe or didn’t understand why it wasn’t showing up in the discovery pane.

The only major problem with it is that some people, myself included only see the “Trophy” part n instantly sell it. so at least add flavor text to them stating “Can be used for crafting”

Don’t you dare touch my rifle… I have my Engineer built for just that purpose to be up in your face shotgun blasting you and knocking you back.

As state before thought the Nr:5 skill could be a lot smoother. But yeah don’t touch unless they’re making us a “Shotgun” weapon. Where the main skill is like a reverse longbow, the close we are the more damage we do. Now that I would honestly love…

But unless they add a shotgun to have the current abilities on… Well don’t touch it!

I have to agree with everyone else that you’re (op) most likely playing the Engineer as a ranger.

I got both classes and it’s like day n night. So yeah stop playing Engi as a ranger or start playing your ranger full time.

Alright so a while back I did AC for the first time and got this weird random potion called “Ghostly Tonic” now considering it was found in AC I thought the transformation would be an Ascalonian but what it turned out to be made my day a hell of a lot brighter with a giant smile on my face. It turned out the transformation while not 100% matching was a Marauder from Warhammer Online…

And for an image reference Warhammer Marauder: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/attachments/requests-341/90120d1285452298-model-icon-mart-warhammer_online_chaos_marauder.jpg

Gw2 Reference!: http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6089/gw006i.jpg

Might not be perfect match but bloody darn close I’d say for anyone who’ve played WAR to recognize.

Now I’ve curious though, what kind of other references have people made out there in the world of Tyria? Cause this surely can’t be the first nor last one found.

Fuz.5621:

I agree with the OP.
It’s way, way, WAY too much farming.
It’s. Not. Fun.
I bought this game thinking that farming was toned down compared to other mmorpgs, but it’s WAY worse. The amount of tokens required to get your stuff is insane, and I’d prefer doing other things, like WvW, instead of spending hours over hours doing the same mindless, boring chore inside a dungeon.

Ignorance might be a bliss for for some but you my friend need to learn.

There’s special WvW tokens you get for killing people… Rarely I might add now that is a farm. Now go n do your WvW in whatever gear you have until you’ve farmed for those 300+ tokens for 1 piece of gear in WvW which you so much seem to enjoy. ^^

Since ppl claim to have played a ton of PvP lets just list what PvP we’ve done:

Warhammer: Age of Reckoning;
Januk Monkeydoodle – Squig Herder – <Perish> – Karak Norn
Lvl1 (RR1) – Lvl 40(RR93) Tons of zergin but also ALOT of tiny groups breaking off taking other objectives.

So compared to Warhammer this game is not lacking in PvP considering it’s free for all 3 servers compared to Warhammers 2 faction system like “every other” MMO… Now I never played Daoc but I wish I had..

I was talking about WvW btw.

The only mount I’d ever agree on is a Charr mount for the Asura… Sadly I think the Charr community would not enjoy being ridden on…

Too add:
Incendiary ammo apparently does nothing for grenades yet it consumes the charges.
Grenade Barrage do NOT gain increased range from Grenadier (not sure if intended but doubt it)

If people actually read the announcements they’d have known…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-September-8th-2012

Last paragraph:
· The following Cooking Materials are no longer sold for Karma and are now acquired through drops, gathering nodes, or loot bags: Butter, Chocolate, Vanilla, Chili Peppers, Thyme, Black Peppercorns, Cinnamon, Bay Leaves, Walnuts, and Oranges.

Are you using the nr3 skill of the downed warrior? Cause it’s called Vengeance… It instantly temp rallies you until it ends, when it does you drop dead.