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tonight was a real eyeopener to the true tactics of our enemies in this teir… we always thought that AR were the kings of the megazergs when before culling we would see them run with around 60 in every single group. But….
Now culling has gone we can see their true numbers are around 80 and what the hell are RS doing!?!?!?!?!
Estimates of around 100 RS in the zerg which crashed around EB… and worse was this zerg was around all night and went on into the small hours of the morning.
Piken had 3 commanders on the map but had to eventually get 2 commanders to untag so that we could copy RS and blob up under 1 commander… it was the ONLY way we could compete against the German monsterzerg.
Im willing to bet my house that RS did not have more than 1 commander per map all night. If this is how RS want to play then kudos for ruining WvW. It was once about skill but now its all about who can build the biggest zerg…
Congrats to RS on beating AR at amassing the biggest zerg
We challenge both RS and AR to run in proper sized groups of under 30man so we can actually play WvW with that old fashioned thing called SKILL. Any of u guys up for actually using some skill in WvW?
Oh and a little pic of RS on Piken borderlands at 3am UK time (4am German time). They actually had a bigger zerg on EB at the same time too apparently.
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Oil canon and kitten
Have u ever played in the top 3 tiers?
Cos Oil and Cannons are a bunch of meh
The OP has a good point that after hours upon hours work being undone due to a couple of minutes of a zerg is pretty bad for the game. Whereas i do agree that Cata splash damage was not intended to go through gates i do agree that defensive play needs to be buffed in some way.
Right now the only defensive tactics rewards the highly populated realms, by that i mean only shedloads of AC and Ballista on the walls can be used effectively to keep a zerg at bay. Im from a low pop realm (Piken) and we r playing in Teir3, we cannot effectively defend ANYTHING against the megazergs of our enemies. We are only playing so high in the rankings because our overall WvW population is better than our enemies… numbers beat us not skill basically.
With this in mind Catas defending gates will hurt a low pop realm like ours hugely
Depends when you consider the fight for a tower/keep to really be over and it just becomes a farm fest.
I was going to say define when the start siege starts & ends,
I think hes saying how long have u defended a Tower/keep from the point that a gate goes down before it goes back up again?
Like i said, i remember Piken defending SM lords room for 2 hours solid with all 3 inner gates down ikitten0+ v 50+ v 50+ threeway against SFR and JS.
I also remember very recently arguably our top WvW guild VII taking Overlook from Gandara and they defended it all night with the main gates down. They had around 15 guildies online and maybe the same again in randoms and they held Gandara outside for the entire primetime, so around 4-5hours of farming them. Add to this when AR took down the watergate side so they had to defend 2 sides its was pretty amazing
Objektiv based playstyle.
we said we would hold mendons and we did.
Yeah its easy to defend something when ur so close to your spawn right :P
also we where not enough on the field to rival the blob of ka or anything other of the piken mass….
the KA blob?
I was with KA when we first hit u guys at Speldans and Harmonizer wasnt even badged up, i counted around 20 KA and about 5 randoms (including me). It looked like u guys outnumbered us as u guys also had a few randoms with u… and after we had wiped u once or twice each u hit us with a massive group including a large amount of randoms, and that killed us off pretty quick lol.
I wasnt with Harmonizer after that wipe but i can say there were 3 commanders on the map and im pretty sure the group i was with had the biggest zerg/team. So im very confident that Harmonizer and KA didnt have a large ‘blob’ all night. I will however say that the KA crew were the best WvW guild on the map, and i wouldnt wanna be on the recieving end when they get moving
Bear in mind that while KA were dealing with u guys we were dealing with Le Monobus from AR pretty much consistantly for hours so our largest force was on that side of the map.
As a casual Piken person. Great fun fights from both sides. KA did some nice leading in EB.
Yeah EB was a bagfest for Piken of epic proportions today
AR was tunnelling our area for 5 or 6 hours straight and it looked like RS were after us exclusively also judging by very rarely seeing AR or RS crossing Ogres at all. Le monobus was wiped every single time we ran into them, so why do u keep on streaming into our area when u always lose?
The only times u got Klovan was when nobody saw u in our area, im pretty sure u didnt beat our teams all night…. and that was because we were busy dealing with RS either at SM or through Dredge. When u wipe with 50+ players thats a collosal collection of bags for us Piken
And id also like to thank all the Piken commanders in EB who did a great job covering the map and gathering up when required all night. It was a great display of communication and teamwork
Oh and we r curious, what exactly was DTK trying to do at Speldans? Wouldve been nice to see u try to enter our territory, looks like u spent all night defending a supply camp and Mendons?
Recently Piken defended Lords room in SM for around 2 hours with all 3 gates down against SFR and JS. Threeway with around 50 people on each side. Most people ressed around 15-20 times each and ran back to the Lords Room as the fight went on for so long…
Obviously this was before all the Piken top guilds all xferred to SFR which is one reason SFR r so kitten good atm
Piken often defend Bay with inner wall down for over an hour… great place to farm enemy bags :P
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And for all I know it was the other way around in higher tiers. You getting overrun by even bigger groups.
Thats actually not how it was tbh… the SFR guilds all run about 15-30player teams. They were simply massively organised, massively geared, massively skilled and hit like an army of angry trucks on PCP!
I can assure u that the largest zergs weve ever seen are on AR lol
As i said we definitely havent introduced a mentality of growing the zerg to stupidly large numbers, weve simply introduced how powerful the organised zerg can be… or something like that anyway
who is “High to Full” population? Gandara?
you joking? 1 month no qeue in wvw or queu 2-5 min
Go to your character select screen, click the WORLD SELECTION button and check the current realm populations… i rest my case.
They have been to t2 and been used to that way of playing. Cant blame them for it tbh.
Ur making out that we have somehow introduced blobbing to both Gandara and AR… thats simply not true. We all know that AR run the most monster megazergs and u will hardly ever bump into a small groups of them. If anyone is to blame for an arms race in creating the most efficient blob then i suggest pointing at AR. I would estimate that our zergs/blobs/groups that run round in WvW under a commander badge r split 50/50 between guild groups or pug groups. So u cant blame this on Piken or Piken guilds…
I can honestly say that its extremely rare for ANY of our zergs to have more than 30 players present, on average theyre around 15-20.
What it really sounds like people r hating is the blob initial attack which involves stacking, buffing then charging in stealth and bombing into the enemy zerg. ultimately this inital hit causes carnage and downs half of the enemy team. If ur talking about us introducing this style of play to this tier then id probably agree with u cos thats exactly how the higher tiers play.
I would also agree that we have probably introduced more efficient and effective blobs simply cos we needed to learn fast to survive
And fyi our blob attacks r not even close to as powerful as it is in tiers 1 and 2…!
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I wanna face Aurora Glade again. So close to T4!
FYI the final week we (Piken) were in T2 against SFR and JS we scored a total of about 25k and SFR about 350k… now thats called being utterly dominated and destroyed to the point of despair…
If u guys r having trouble with little Piken now and u wanna go up a tier then u got a whole world of pain to look forward to up there I can assure u
Thanks for all the replies guys
u have pointed me into the right direction and that certainly helps, although i dont think your suggestions quite give me the look im after.
Check out the medium temple armor.
I agree this set looks the most authentic, i particularly like the low slung belt which gives a real Gunslinger look
But the hats too floppy and doesnt look very cowboy, and i dont like the material which drapes around the rest of the head. I think that ill probably have to change the jacket slot to something more traditional too.
The look im using as a template is from one of my favourite bands…
http://www.jungle-records.demon.co.uk/photos/fields-dusty%20early%20group%20pic.jpg
I guess its more of a ‘Goth Cowboy’ lol
Any suggestions on a hat which is wide brimmed and rigid with a less rounded top would be great
Ive been looing around to see if theres any gear to pimp my character into a mean looking Gunslinger, but im having alot of trouble finding any gear to give him the right look… so i was hoping u all out there could post up some suggestions to help me
Ive got a Sylvari Male Thief and im running dual Pistols… and i think the ideal look would be some kind of cowboy, bandit, gunslinger look. Id like to find a wide brimmed hat, long duster coat (those long straight trenchcoats u sometimes see in authentic westerns), leather distressed trousers, maybe with the Chaps on them… and to top it off with some cowboy boot style footwear.
Can anyone point me in the right direction to armour items which look the part please
~Ende~
Piken still have the strongest pre primetime of the three servers due to your eastern europe population.
And Piken also has a totally non-existant nightcapping population… so whats your point?
Yes we are lucky to have attracted a large Russian and eastern European population and we welcome our Vodka drinking comrades because they are probably the only reason we can stay competitive on this Tier.
This is the zergy part of Piken. You all just blob up and take whatever in your wake with omegas and stuff.
Ru seriously trying to accuse Piken of blobbing?
Everyone knows the only blob-addicted realm in this matchup are AR who have created monster zergs the size of which unseen before in GW2. Im pretty sure ive witnessed their entire population following a commander :/ … oh and jokes aside i was online when they famously used 15 Golems to take most of Pikens map in EB, yes it did happen.
When this is done its more common to see Piken guilds roaming with smaller numbers during our prime time.
And this is the time we would wish in an ideal world to have 24/7. This way we would truly find out who has the best WvW teams… the current system gives a huge advantage to the higher population realms and im proud to be the only realm in the lowest population group who are punching so high above their weight
Btw. Counting deaths each match up. Two so far this week. Come at me bro!
So on the one hand u complain that our daytime Eastern Europeans r trashing everything in their wake and nothing can stop them and yet u only died twice…. Either ur fantastic at hiding and running away or u dont even play at this time…
So how exactly is this an issue to u if Piken cant even kill u?
All day long it seems PS and AR have been double teaming us in EBG. As soon as one goes for a tower, the other appears for another tower.
lol
I can assure u that we were not working with AR at all… the truth is we (Piken) wiped ‘Le Monobus’ into double figures tonight and i think they got sick of dying so much so they gave up trying to hit us… hence they moved onto gandara side of the map. I guess its a valid tactic to join in the party when a keeps under attack right?… afterall its done at SM all the time…
PS attacked our Keep, got into inner, meanwhile, AR creeps in and took Ogrewatch and almost had Veloka, with four superior Rams too.
I was in the team that got into your (Gandara) outter keep and our main objective was to kill your trebs, which we did… taking the keep wouldve been a bonus but u called in help from other maps right… funny how your Outmanned went off when we got into your keep
Yes, it’s a fair tactic, I know… just calling you out to see if you can man up and actually take a tower without PS, and without paying to win with superior siege.
This is funny cos only last night we were discussing how AR can only attack with massive numbers of Seige… and on the flipside they can only defend cos they build massive amounts of seige inside forts too.
On Piken we r lucky if more than 1 person in the zerg has some rams kitten lol
Lets not cry nightcap guys, we have a substantial day cap that they don’t have(even though the patch kinda screwed it today),
Ok lets explain this in more detail….
Piken loses at night because we have no players who play at that time, thats 100% connected to us being a low population realm. Right now for example we r running +10pts and ev ery single map we are Outmanned… showing loud and clear we are ounumbered.
Daytime we have very even numbers of players on 2 or maybe 3 of the maps and whenever its even teams we generally win… like i said before, is this not showing we r losing the WvW points game only due to low population?
Well that’s when you step up the game and get better at dealing with zergs
Is this comment for real?
As far as i can see whenever the teams are equal size we almost always win… the zerg monsters are AR who will ONLY ever attack when they outnumber thier opposition. And when they have equal or less numbers they hide in their forts and build an enormous amount of Seige.
Gandara r defenitiely better organised and have better zergs but again, we rarley lose in an even numbers fight.
Il stand by my point that we are losing this tier fight to lack of realm population and not to skill of play.
I don’t hit at middle of the night
Well your realm only won this week due to the massive points collecting over night when Piken sit on around zero. U didnt win cos of skill of play and beat Piken out in the field… im not trying to be offensive just ive got the balls to say it how it is…
All the guilds u list as v good on Piken only play primetime and r never online after midnight, and as far as i know theyr enot online before 7pm.
Piken has many guild’s capping at 8am, and are a more WvW orientated server, less queues means more room for guild groups, better coordination, allies and handholding oppurtunities etc.
this i actually agree with to some extent but its still far from whats actually happening on Piken right now.
Even at primetime we have 2 of the 4 maps which are pretty much Outmanned for Piken throughout. yes we dont have ques so guilds can get in, but we dont have enough guilds to play on all the maps. Anyone can login whenever they like at any time pretty much… thats actually a disadvantage when u cant fill up all 4 maps with enough players to be compeitive on all…
We just play hard on 2 maps and leave the other 2 alone pretty much.
At the end of the day im not blaming AR or Gandara for Piken situation im just explainnig that the current scores is in no way a true reflection of the real WvW skill of the players in this matchup. Theres nothing we can do about the current points model in WvW
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You are but the loss/win doesn’t matter so long as we beast each other a good’un
Ru telling me its fun to turn the entire map red for 8 hours every day when theres nobody else to fight online?
Come on dude if u were only in this for fun fights u wouldnt be hitting the late night/early morning with such intensity
Ok lets add this up after 2nd week in T3….
Week1
1st AR
2nd Piken
3rd Gandalf
Week2
1st Gandalf
2nd Piken
3rd AR
To my calculations that makes us all exactly evens… although if someone wants to add up the total points gained over 2 weeks any of us could win it.
I just wanna add that almost 24hours a day Piken has no ques, the few times it does are at primetime and even then only 1 map will be busy and even then the longest u will wait is 5minutes . We are the lowest populated realm in this matchup by miles and it shows.
Its getting frustrating that we r losing to numbers and not skill and tactics
I didn’t mind the first time I was told to not follow a group. But it feels like it’s getting more and more often and it’s very frustrating and demotivating if it happens multiple times per evening (different groups).
I only want to tag along and have fun too. What’s the big deal? I keep quiet, I can follow your orders, I give you more DPS and group support, I carry supplies, etc., etc.
It sounds like u guys on Gandara r having serious issues about how ‘pro’ u really are… shame
I can say im a regular pugger (like yourself) on Piken and ive NEVER been asked to leave a guild zerg as it travels round the map, ever!
We are such low population right now for WvW that commanders positively welcome anyone to join their group. In fact i think that there are probably more commander tags with full groups of randoms than there are guild groups on Piken atm.
Like Lloantix/Kinkywarrior says, us on Piken are not leet and certainly dont take ourselves too seriously in WvW, we just wanna have lols and giggles and play competitively. Our ‘leet’ guilds all bandwagoned onto SFR and r now playing T1. But on the flip side u must remember that we are experienced at playing WvW at high level and i would argue that pound for pound we have stronger individual players… lets face it has anyone ever got beat up by an AR zerg thats the same size as your own? :P
All in all Yuki id suggest seriously thinking about moving to somewhere like Piken cos right now we actually need good small teams of players to tag along and join up with our commanders… it really sounds to me like the top WvW guilds on Gandara r having issues with deciding just how pro they actually want to be… never seen that on Piken since our ‘pro’ guilds left a couple of weeks ago…
~Ende~
mmh is piken he only server with no nightcap in this tier? I see even gandara is rolling nearly 300 points now
We are the lowest population realm in this teir by a mile… so yes at night there are only 20-30 of us across all 4 maps.
U might want to look at the maps now btw… with so few players we r now doubling Gandaras score
We might be top overall atm but that will change during the week cos we r never strong during work/school time and ofc we suck late night…
Im new to GW2 only starting around Xmas and halfway through levelling i switched to P/P simply because it was lots of fun. Now ive managed to get up to lev20 Fractals and spend alot of time in WvW and i still run P/P as it continues to be fun.
Im doing 0/30/0/20/20 although after reading this thread ill probably give another build a go
However, it really does feel that im laying out less damage than everyone else around me (both in Fractals and WvW). It also feels like its a build which hasnt had any love by the devs, its kinda been thrown in there and hasnt been taken seriously.
I think they need to add a more control for PvP build and more sustained damage for PvE. At the very least someone at Anet needs to sit down and take a serious look at Thiefs P/P and give it some love!
I posted this point on another thread…
I thought it should be possible for levelling characters to enter these dungeons… if dungeons r nowe being tuned to lev80s then please make the anouncement and change the entry level to lev80 so low levels dont waste their time even trying..
Do they really think that a team of lev35s can get through this dungeon?
Can someone please Fraps a full team of lev35s running AC please… itll be one of the funniest vids on youtube
A proper review of using an Xbox controller by a guy who read this thread))
If you don’t like playing dress-up you might just be playing the wrong game entirely tbh.
ru serious?
I dont care what my character looks like, its all about performance and challenging content to me… i hope ur wrong on this one dude
I thought Xmas was all about presents. yes, i enjoyed the extra games, in fact i think theyre superb. but whats the point of having a Xmas token system if there is NOTHING worth collecting them for?
NOTE: why the hell was my title changed? It wasnt offensive or misleading, it was exactly accurate to the point i made. U removed the point that im a NEW PLAYER…. Mods changing forum content is EXTREMELY worrying. Especially as theyre changing words that I have actually said into something completely different.
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I just wanted to get this off my chest…
Ive been playing just over a week, i quit Wow after 5 years (im only saying this to point out that i fully understand how MMO events work). After logging in for the first time i quickly realised i was in the Xmas event so ive been focusing on collecting as many Xmas tokens as possible (socks, jumpers, hats). Ive been playing every day for 10 hour sessions over Xmas and must say that the game overall is excellent so please keep it up But im making this post for one major complaint.
Well, i cashed in my tokens tonight and basically got sweet **** all!
I collected 155 socks, 90 Jumpers and 88 hats and i bought only Giant Wintersday Gifts. Because from i can tell the only interesting items are gained from these.
I got 21 gifts and from these got 20 Jumpers and 1 Flawless Snowflake.
Ru telling me that the only worthy item i get from the GW2 Wintersday event is 1 measley snowflake?
Guys u really need to address how this event works, cos for a new player like me who has put in alot of effort it hurts when your only reward is pretty much NOTHING.
~Ende~
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