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You claim that blobbing is “how it works in this tier” when you couldn’t be further from the truth. The vast majority of the Piken guilds prefer to run solo, away from the blob mentality. Maybe its an EB thing, perhaps that is most Piken guilds don’t want anything to do with EB.
I 100% agree with this.
If u read my posts u will see ive made the point Piken dont like blobbing, im making the point weve been pretty much forced to blob in order to counter the collosal blobs we have met on AR and RS.
3x 20ish guild groups counters 1x 80 man blob with ease. Please don’t act like you need to blob to paint a borderland. The Piken guilds weren’t blobbing before, and they won’t blob now.
I havent said that at all… i agree Piken guilds dont blob and have been trying hard not to.
However, Piken in general has been guilty of blobbing.
It baffles me why you care so much about Red Guard. Why does it bother you so much that they transferred servers? Why does it concern you what language a European guild speaks?
The fact that RG returning has been the most talked about subject over the past few days ingame means we are not allowed to discuss it on the forums?
I guess i didnt get that memo sorry
Piken used to have such a great community, and it still has some fantastic guilds, but it seems that the forum warrior playstyle of self confessed zergers is tarnishing that reputation.
And we still do have a great community… i guess some of us r very protective over our community and dont want to see it take a kicking again like it did recently. We have put n plenty of blood, sweat and tears to reforge our community, and we r concerned it might take another kicking.
I agree that ive been provacative and maybe a little harsh in some of my points but im just saying it how it is… def not QQing. I dont care much about RG, we all know theyll move on shortly, but i do care about any forthcoming community divisions, divisions which tend to follow RG about…
Ill take note of your concerns and refrain from the forums, im happy to do that if it keeps everyone happy
If we want to fight guilds and not blobs, that’s quite normal that we join the server that blob.
Ok thats a fair point… but bear in mind that this means Piken also blob up to large proportions simply cos its the only way we can deal with ‘le monobus’
Last night in EB Ar was blobbing to well over 80 probably over 100. This is normal and therefore the Piken blob was over 50 just to deal with it. We actually had 3 or sometimes 4 commanders on the map but when we got a call where AR was then all 3 commanders met at their location to deal with them…
Thats the way it works on this tier.
BB on the otherhand r new to this tier and r finding out the hard way that their current playstyle wont work v well in T3. Hopefuly they dont go down the route of AR and monsterbob but i get the feeling they probably will…
This way we can have proper fights with other guilds that dont. Also, from what I’ve seen since we transfered, all servers tend to blob a bit. I heard that it happened to Piken due to Riverside doing it a lot.
We were already blobbing due to AR long before RS stepped up to T3. Its just that RS blobs were regularly even bigger! lol
Basically AR tactics r pretty easy once u understand they will NEVER attack u unless they have larger numbers, they ALWAYS prefer to use seige rather than PvP and they enjoy sitting inside forts with larger numbers trying to farm u. Hopefully RG can help them become a little less predictable
Although that brings up another issue… does anyone in RG speak French?
Beside that, had a lot of fights without adds against some PS and BB guilds, really fun and intense. Keep it up!
tbh we all know that RG is a pro guild and therefore u should beat every one of us pretty easily. Although im sure some of us can give u a good fight and might win now and then. The Piken guilds r simply loyal and strong guilds, and thats how we like it. Weve never asked for good guilds to migrate here and as u know the community is strong here.
RG has a rep which preceeds you and ur known for being divisive to realms communities while u stay on that realm. Hence u xfer alot. It looks like SFR has fallen apart and we wonder just how much RG had to do with that… maybe nothing, maybe everything. But leaving a realm when things get a little difficult… isnt that what u did to Piken?
Maybe its just that when Piken fell apart a couple of months ago its that RG was seen as a major contributer to that. All of the guilds who stayed and rebuilt Piken deserve all of the credit for that rebuilding. Consequently some of us dont like seeing RG benefit from our current strength due to them being part of the original problem.
Im not trying to stir up trouble im just trying to be to the point about how RG is viewed by Piken, sure it wont be like that for everyone on Piken but it will be for alot of us. Im not sure if u work on building up your rep as troublemakers, but whether u like it or not thats very much how ur seen…
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New to piken i guess?.
Nope i remember RG v well thanks.
As for these epic strats the key is you gotta make sure you bring whole piken eb zone of 50-60 guys for 12 of us at 1am. Some good action yesterday is nice to finally use skills vs blob at least -garrison 3 ways.
Its not our fault that once RG is called out on the map then almost everyone gravitates to your location for the chance to smash u up… thats something u gotta live with. Basically u cant expect to build up your reputation and then make the rules up to suit yourself.
RG is now the no1 target for Piken so when its spotted the word goes out and u can expect massive blobs to deal with.
On the flipside of this, every fight i had with RG in EB last night u had over 60 players yourself anyway!
It appears that AR randoms r all following u around. And we all know just how easy it is to smash AR randoms down… that didnt help u guys at all. So the truth is that the EB fights last night were very equal, there was around 50-60 Piken and 50-60 AR at the same location.
As for these epic strats the key is you gotta make sure you bring whole piken eb zone of 50-60 guys for 12 of us at 1am. Some good action yesterday is nice to finally use skills vs blob at least -garrison 3 ways.
Please, please, please keep beleiving that Piken r just randomly attacking without any strats whatsoever cos itll be your downfall to underestimate your enemy :P
We particularly enjoyed when we hit RG from the side and seperated the guy at the front (we think leader) who we chased down to Klovan while the rest of u ran off back to AR side of the map being chased by our zerg… “divide and conquer” look it up
Props to FG and XT who came at us with guild only. Let me know if Piken or BB guilds want GvG this week.
Good luck with finding Piken GvG, just ask them not to post which map and where ur ok
I was in the Harmonizer team that kept wiping RG in EB last night… we have a few simple strats against RG which im sure u will get wise to as the days go by
Hey yesterday we went EB as an 11 man after-hour raid… you gotta be kidding ^^
And ur telling me that RG came to T3 just for the fun right? LOL
U came here to try to embarress Piken, no more no less. Its a move fully based on ego and we are happy to prove we are not as easy as u think. We will continue to ruin your fun whenever we can find u on the map. Our fun is stopping your fun
Oh and good luck finding help from AR, they only know how to blob, and theyre bigger than ours! lol
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What happened to the small scale Piken?
We have the smallest zergs out of this matchup.. RS did have the biggest and they dropped a teir… AR have the biggest out of the 3 realms now in T3.
I was in the Harmonizer team that kept wiping RG in EB last night… we have a few simple strats against RG which im sure u will get wise to as the days go by
U guys r definitley the strongest AR guild right now and that means that the RG tag is getting called out superfast on the map. At which point everyone on Piken wants a piece of u and gravitates to that location. They seem very interested in getting hold of a white charr, apparently he tastes like chicken hmmm…
not sure how u guys will be able to deal with all that extra attention
Basically RS is getting special attention so the Piken zergs r bigger than they usually are at the RG location on the map…
Anet got it right to ensure that their legendaries cannot be obtained by fluke or by lazy players. Theyre obtained by loyal players who have continued to play their game
Sorry but when legendaries are sold on the TP and all it takes is for some lazy person to buy it, the entire exercise becomes a joke. Nothing legendary about it. Just a lot of mindless farming for mats/gold. No skill or actual ability needed to obtain one, other then the ability to deal with monotonous grinding.
So u think amassing around 2,000 gold is lazy????
Dude, even players who spend weeks and weeks grinding enough gold to buy a legendary off of the AH deserve these legendaries to a high degree. I do agree its not as special as doing the work to craft a legendary yourself but its still a demonstration of commitment, effort and spending alot of time in GW2.
If someone has bought the gold off a goldseller then theyve broken the rules of GW2 anyway so this possibility cannot even be discussed here. Cheating to get a legendary is still cheating and deserves a ban.
Ofc id prefer that legendaries cannot be bought and sold but its still not necessarily the easiest route to obtain one.
Sadly this is exactly the same as what happened to Rogues in Wow.
They were OP in vanilla and got nerfed to the floor for evermore after that. The main reason people always scream that Thieves/Rogues r O kitten imply because they REMEMBER when they got killed by one.
To explain in more detail… if a player did WvW for 2 hours and they died 20 times and he was killed once by a thief i bet u my house… that they remember the 1 time they were killed by the Thief with the most venom and misery!!!!
The truth is that players dont die to Thieves anymore than any other class, its just they remember the 1 encounter they came up 1v1 against a Thief and got owned. they also remember how helpless they felt and how they couldnt do much against them… and thats simply down to the class being annoying as hell.
The point is that Thief is designed to come out of nowhere and surprise its enemy and take u down fast and then run and hide… thats the point kitten /p>
Thieves r meant to initiate the attack to win… if they get caught out of stealth and an enemy opens on them then theyre kinda screwed…
Rogues ended up the most hated class in Wow, they became the least played class by a large margin too, they received the least love by the devs and were basically left to rot (a bit harsh but still true). Lets hope that Thieves dont go the same way in GW2
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I have no legendary, nor will I ever. I am simply a firm believer that PvE players should not be forced into PvP, and PvP players should not be forced into PvE.
I really dont like this Wow mentality to GW2.
Forget PvE and PvP and think about doing epic achievements to obtain your legendary. GW2 is based around Dungeons, Fractals and WvW so it only makes sense that every one of those r included as requirements to obtain that legendary.
Legendary weapons should only be weilded by players who have proven themselves in ALL parts of GW2. Its like a badge of honour to showoff that ur a great GW2 player and u have put in alot of time and effort… therefore u DESERVE the legendary weapon.
If u dont like part of GW2 and u refuse to make any effort to participate in that part then im afraid u dont deserve that legendary weapon. Go play Wow where many of their legendaries demand zero skill and effort cos they r a random drop off a boss.
Anet got it right to ensure that their legendaries cannot be obtained by fluke or by lazy players. Theyre obtained by loyal players who have continued to play their game
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You want a Legendary weapon: you need to do legendary feats, such as mastering several of the game’s modes/activities.. even if you don’t like some of them.
This.
If u want to run around and showoff your rare legendary weapon then u must be able to do the hardest parts of the game… and that means u must show that u can perform in ALL difficult parts of GW2.
If u cant do PvP then u dont deserve a legendary.
This isnt like Wow where Blizzard hands out Welfare epics to anyone who QQs on the forums, this game u must actually spend ALOT of time and put in ALOT of effort to get the best rewards.
Do the work or u dont deserve it… sorry dude but thats the way it is
T3 has become the home of the monsterblobs…!
We have seen enemy zergs of 100+ players regularly… after the patch.
AR always had zergs of 50-80 players but since RS moved up into our tier theyve created zergs of epic proprtions of around 100 players, this means we must all blob up to compete against it.
The zerging is so bad that u lag CONSTANTLY on some maps because 2 zergs r in the same place on the map somewhere. Basically u dont even have to be close to the zerg for the map to lag like crazy.
Im on Piken btw.
Edit: here is a little vid from a couple of weeks ago for your viewing pleasure… its worth watching!
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PM me ingame and ill try to help.
I just started a thread on this subject and it looks like u have smiliar build to me
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-zerg-builds/first#post1803813
We got destroyed in T2???? Yes we got wiped more than in this tier, but I really wouldn’t call it destroyed lol.
In our last week in T2 Piken scored around 30k all week and SFR scored over 350k… that isnt being destroyed? lol
Sure, there were various circumstances surrounding this but it doesnt change the fact we got owned badly in T2. I agree we stand a much better chance now we are stronger but most Piken i know would prefer to play T3 where the fights r more fun than the pro zerging of T1 and T2.
And since we’re fighting RS and AR so much now, they become very predictable. Some change wouldn’t be so bad.
I do agree with u here tho… we need some variety so 1 week T2 would make a change
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Please, don´t you get it ? If somebody is hacking, REPORT him to the support because the support is the only institution that can actually do something and impose a ban. Complaining on the forum does not help, also complaining in the chat does not help. Do you really believe that somebody who is cheating cares what i or anybody else is saying in the ingame chat ?
Id like to remind everyone what this thread is actually here for, because it looks like everyone has totally different opinions…
This is the thread in which everyone involved in the AR / RS / PS matchup can chat about the matchup… its getting a little annoying that everyones trying to force their own opinions on how they interpret what ‘chat about the matchup’ should actually be.
Alot of people seem to think its simply a thread where everyone can congratulate everyone for a great fight. Others seem to think its the place to throw some banter and posturing at the enemy to wind them up a bit, all in good fun ofc… others seem to think its somewhere to publicly expose incorrect gaming behaviour. And the last one seems to be drawing the most hostility.
imo matchup threads should be used for all of the above.
Whether u like it or not HERE is the best place to air any concerns and to hopefully get those concerns addressed. Therefore i can fully understand that people will post up various cheating, exploits or hacks that they think theyve witnessed on the battlefield. As long as they can post in a polite and concise manner then i think their posts should be treated fairly.
Likewise, i think people responding to accusations of cheating, exploiting or hacking should also post in a polite manner, but tbh its these ‘responders’ who are actually the rudest in this thread.
At the end of the day everyone who spares the time to post here clearly cares about their realm, and more importantly cares about this WvW matchup, therefore lets give everyone the respect they deserve. We all know that every accusation of cheating is not necessarily cheating, and is simply a misunderstanding… but on the flipside we know that some accusations are correct, theyre cheats.
I think we can also agree that the vast majority of posters in this thread are not noobs and therefore know a hack, cheat or exploit when they see it and therefore their concerns are mostly worth discussing and trying to fix. We also know that Anets reporting system doesnt really work very well, as anyone who has used it can testify. Therefore lets expose any cheats right here and ALL OF US WORK TOGETHER to get these cheats out of our fun in WvW.
Im sure i can vouch for every Pikeneer that if we find any cheats on our realm then our community will make serious efforts to get to the bottom of it and sort out the culprit(s). Nobody is accusing an entire realm of being cheats, everyone knows its a cancerous minority, but when a realm appears to try to evade the question, or pretend there isnt an issue, then it smells bad. How can people on the same realm really throw up such venomous posts defending their realm when they truly have no clue if the cheater is real or not?
I only ask everyone to get along, play nice and have fun. Im pretty sure that everyone has the same goal here, we all want to have fun out there on the battlefield, so lets not lose sight of that ok
~Ende~
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It truly sucks when u invest the money to buy a Treb which u place inside your own keep for defense, then waste a mountain of supplies to build it and 30minutes later its gone
Generally the fighting style of riverside is as follows: Run around in a borderland in a group that consist of everyone currently on a border. Only attack if victory seems certain and otherwise run to nearest fortified keep. Never fight on open ground because thats where they loose.
This is basically the generell fighting style of all upper tier servers. This is fact. Sometimes you have an equally big zerg on your map, and sometimes you dont and will get destroyed. Its not only Riverside with this problem. Its Augury Rock, Piken-Square, and so on..
U clearly have never played at top tiers sigh
We played in Tier2 against SFR and JS and i do not remember them EVER running and hiding in a fort. They will ALWAYS stand and fight u out in the open and they NEVER run if they are outnumbered…
What ‘upper tier’ did u play on and witness your enemy running away into forts every time u met them?
Only today i was in EB and we were defending AR keep (Overlook) against a massive group of AR. I saw Batereika take SPRT into a fight they were massivley outnumbereed and he won, approx 20 SPRT against 40-50+ AR. Sure it was in the range of the keep but he did not sit and hide inside the keep like RS always do.
Datsuni is correct to say RS will only attack when they know they outnumber thier enemy and therefore are sure they can win the fight. This is a new week so lets see if RS will dare to fight an enemy they are outnumbered
NOTE: i did not see a single RS guild team running the last week. We only ever saw RS blobs with mixed guilds. Even DTK r not running as a guild, the only DTK ive seen is in amongst the monsterblobs.
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Piken Square vs Riverside blob 27.03.2013
welcome to the jungle
Holy Motherkittening kitten!!!
This video wins the prize for the best clip of this weeks lockout… congrats to the russians! lol
@the guys who clearly cant count… at the start of that video its around 20 (MAXIMUM 30) Piken against 60+ RS. As the fight unfolds id estimate approx 40 Piken at the point when RS split up and hit themk from 2 sides… both RS zergs r EASILY 30+ and id actually guess more like around 50 per zerg. Thats around 100 RS hitting 40-50 Piken and RS lose lol
(hint: count off the map in the bottom corner)
Rs r truly kidding themselves if they think Piken play like this… i can assure u that Piken have created their biggest blobs theyve ever created this week, and thats for the sole reason that its the only way to compete against this RS monsterblobbing.
Blob discussion aside i really wanna congratulate our Russian comrades for playing so well, u guys r really kicking some serious butt out there. If we all continue imrpoving at this rate we might get back to the good old days before 300+ Piken WvW players all left our realm for SFR
NOTE: great Rammstein remix too btw :P
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We are not upset about being ‘outmanned’ or the fact that RS and AR both have much bigger realm populations… we r totally cool with that.
Im saying that when every single player on the RS side all team up to create a monster-blob, thats whats gonna ruin the game.
Im sure tonight everyone is ready with their screenshot button and their frapsing to show exactly what we are talking about
You say that blobbing doesnt upset you and you dont QQ about it, but every post you have made in this come across that way.
Nothing gonna change as long as the game mechanic provides safety in numbers.
Did u go onto EB last night and see the size of the blob RS created?
I heard VII was on AR borderlands so maybe u didnt… we r not exaggerating when we say it went to over 100 players in 1 blob.
I know the frustration caused by being outmanned by enemy blobs, but you have to accept that the existing game mechanic simply rewards this behaviour a way too much.
We are not upset about being ‘outmanned’ or the fact that RS and AR both have much bigger realm populations… we r totally cool with that.
Im saying that when every single player on the RS side all team up to create a monster-blob, thats whats gonna ruin the game.
Im sure tonight everyone is ready with their screenshot button and their frapsing to show exactly what we are talking about
Im on Piken EU and we are a low populated realm fighting in Teir 3 aganst 2 realms with the highest category of population. We are definitely punching high above our weight but we can see the flaws in WvW game design.
WvW has become Realm population vs Realm population. We are beaten by numbers and not skill… and that sucks