Guild Wars 2

Sojou.2067:

Billy Mcfloy.4830:

Post a screenshot right now, any one of them. You don’t have to accuse anyone of hacking with it just show a simple screenshot of your wvw experience. no? you can’t? what excuse will you type below this? where is the screenshot? right, sure. moving on.

Where in my post did I say I had screenshots? It’s all good anyway, they’ve been submitted. It won’t matter though – since you guys will move on to another matchup now. Congrats on the dominating 48 hour swing after what looked like a promising week of balanced fighting.

You said “We” have screenshots. This automatically implies inclusion of you.

If that’s not what you meant, I highly recommend you edit it to say, “I think someone else has screenshots – at least they said they do and maybe I’ll get them to someday show them to me so I can post them here – and they claim to have submitted them to Anet.”

Sojou.2067:

Billy Mcfloy.4830:

lol you are sad and low to flat out lie like that. I have been in wvw all day simply taking keeps the right way. Don’t be mad now. Have some honor, rat.

If you say so, kid. We’ve got screenshots, they’ve been submitted to Anet. But sadly there’s no way for us to report specific players since it’s just “Attacker from” and “defender from”.

As the old saying goes… “SS or it didn’t happen.”

@neoxide: There is an alliance of guilds on SF referred to as SR (Sorrow’s Revenge). No clue about SoF or any of the other strange acronyms.

Of course, this assumes they were referring to the alliance, or simply forgot how to put 2 letters together properly.

Rashka.7304:

PotatoOverdose.6583:

Enerjak.2475:

SF’s larger alliances (ITM, SR, etc) are still cozy on SF. That said, if there was any flux moving to SoR or DH, it was so miniscule that we didn’t even notice.

I don’t doubt there are those pricks who transfer just to be on the “winning side”… but I imagine they are fewer rather than any majority.

SF is just complacent. Most are pushing other goals (100% map completion for legendaries, dungeon armor, etc) and don’t really care for a second fight against the exact same opponents. At least, those I’ve spoken to in my guild and abroad have cited these reasons.

SF has a whole hell of a lot stronger forces, as proven in the epic battles last week. When SF wants to kick kitten they will kick kitten

The difficult part stands in making them want to.

I have to agree with Enerjak, many people are just doing other things. We regularly have around 30+ people in jumping puzzles, even during off-peak hours. Kinda funny really, if our jumping puzzle crew helped our night crew, we might actually be winning.

What will be interesting is if SoR wins and if we get another round, will the same thing happen to them?

That rumor was spread by certain DH individuals in now deleted threads. They were called out on it but of course they didn’t further comment it. Anyway, rumors spread like cancer once they are in the world.

Actually i do think we are going to have another matchup. SoR has some daoc vet guilds including VIG. We are used to fighting the same enemies over and over again. Personally i like it because one develops a love/hate relationship which makes it more fun.

Granted, but also, nothing is fresh. It becomes a game of countering what you already know about your enemy, rather than fighting new enemies and discovering new tactics, fighting styles, organizations, etc.

Aion had this difficulty pretty bad… one faction was always ridiculously OP (by OP, they had a much more active raid force) and the other would occasionally come out and rip the OP faction’s throat out and stomp on it, but otherwise were completely complacent and decided that the constant struggle against the same enemies for the same territory just to fuel already-rich guilds wasn’t worth it.

Every couple of months the underdog would slap the OP faction just to remind them that they could, but otherwise didn’t care at all.

If it remains the same enemies over and over in a protracted period of time (not 2 week matches… rather, for months) I fear this becoming the case in GW2.

SF’s larger alliances (ITM, SR, etc) are still cozy on SF. That said, if there was any flux moving to SoR or DH, it was so miniscule that we didn’t even notice.

I don’t doubt there are those pricks who transfer just to be on the “winning side”… but I imagine they are fewer rather than any majority.

SF is just complacent. Most are pushing other goals (100% map completion for legendaries, dungeon armor, etc) and don’t really care for a second fight against the exact same opponents. At least, those I’ve spoken to in my guild and abroad have cited these reasons.

SF has a whole hell of a lot stronger forces, as proven in the epic battles last week. When SF wants to kick kitten they will kick kitten

The difficult part stands in making them want to.

PsionicDingo.2065:

Enerjak.2475:

Let it be known the pact is lead by a Necromancer, because Necromancers are win.

Then why did he reroll to get a Greatsword?

/bull rush

Now that I think about it… Necro + Guardian (he had Guardian greatsword skills) would be pretty epic.

Teknomancer.8475:

So back to the argument at hand. Is the lifeforce loss to power builds worth the slight if not needed and appreciated buff to condition builds. Seems like devs are not quite sure where to change our class for the better. Take away from one build to give to another all the while making MM necros sit in the corner by themselves.
Really wish we could have anyone from Anet just go over a slight plan for necro development. Even if it is just a casual outline of what they would like to test / go over. that way the necro community can dig our hands in and help somewhat.

Happy Wednesday
Tek.

MM and Well necros both. Power Necros take both a boon and a hit (more of a hit in my opinion) and Condition Necros take a a hit.

Belay my previous post, my wife actually rant the test already. It is only affected by the Might’s duration.

Dibrom.6408:

@Ascii.9726
An addition to it not being a 42% increase it’s also NOT 30 SECONDS. Why does everyone in this thread think the cooldown is the duration? The might lasts 12 seconds. Way to try the actual skill.

To be fair, he’s not noting the cooldown. He’s noting the duration of the bleed, which is 30 seconds. The Might applied will affect the full bleed duration, because it was active when the bleed was initially applied. In that, he is correct… and you are a troll.

However, to play devil’s advocate, no PvP opponent (unless they’re AFK) is going to let that bleed tick for 30 seconds. Most professions could have removed the bleed twice or more in that span, and anyone with half a brain will bring some form of condition removal.

That said, you become much more reliant on one of two things… the life force gain that you lost, or the +350 Power – which, as mentioned for a Power build (or even modestly stacking into it with Zerker amulets/Eagle runes for a crit DD build) is not anything to celebrate.

20% life force instantaneously and reliably however? That is something worth noting.

How can you even say that, when Well of Blood is several thousand HP by itself, not including the heal over time, combined with 3x life stealing per pulse, per target caught in it (life steal per hit, life steal per critical, life stealing wells)? Combine this with 3 other wells, all pulsing for 3x life stealing.

Several thousand from Well of Blood initially… Line of Warding down the middle to block passage with Wall of Reflection, I stand on one side, enemies clouded together on the other (very typical if you have half a brain in TA against the spider hordes, as a for-instance among many). A few hundred per second PER MOB from the 3x life steal + Well of Blood’s per-second heal ticking.

3 other Wells, each granting some 100 health per second, per mob.

Add to the mix 15 mobs on the other side of that line of warding (the approximate number of TA spiders in 1 pull, if not more).

(15 mobs x 50 life steal [it is actually more, but I’m calculating modestly for your amusement] x 3 utility wells x 5 pulses) + (152 per tick Well of Blood heal x 10 seconds + 5,240 heal + (50 life steal [again, actually more but I’m humoring you] x 10 pulses)) = 18,510 healing. That is 90% of most player’s life bars at level 80.

This assumes that you have 0 points in Healing (which would increase these numbers).

This formula also assumes you stood still for 10 seconds and did not use any other attack or skill. Naturally if you do, it would be higher.

These are common PvE implications. I do this a minimum of 5-7x every TA run. In WvW PvP it has similar implications, but admittedly not QUITE as effective as in PvE (human players have the annoying habit of moving and often need locked down by Guardian AoE movement-blocking skills first).

It’s okay. I know you failed math class. I do hope this clarifies your stupidity however.

GW1 Necro was OP. Plain and simple.

I’d wade into an Alliance Battle (12v12 matches) with my wife, a fifty-five (don’t know why 5 5 is filtered) Monk (pre-nerf).

The 2 of us would engage 2 full parties of the opposing faction… and win, with near 100% health 2v8+.

Later, I refined more… I would kill any melee with 100% health and in under 10 seconds (Assassins would drop in 4 or less).

I have video evidence of this, if anyone is interested. God help you if you were fighting a Necro 1v1.

Though, GW2 the class is very much… underwhelming by comparison to its GW1 counterpart, which I understand. GW1 we were OP, as aforementioned.

Still, the DS skills are pathetic, and its utility is almost strictly the 2nd life bar that used to generate very effectively, until Blood Is Power was nerfed in this latest patch.

Combined with that, other than D/D or D/F, or Staff if you’re running a Well-heavy build, you’re kittening yourself. Even the latter Staff needs much love, imho. A 2 handed weapon that doesn’t do squat for damage, and each skill associated is so situational that in a heated PvP match you may as well not even bother simply because every second is too critical.

LastDay.3524:

Ink.6491:

38 health now.
27 attacks and you’ve got yourself a 1000 health boost.

normally that sounds horrible. but I think its more of a trait for wells
so… lets say you run wells

4 wells x 5 ticks x 38 vamp = 760 heal (multiply this number by number of enemies in wells, include pets)
and one of those wells is a heal.
when you add in… say axe… its 8 hits x 38 vamp = 304

I’m not saying its great but its definitely a source of sustain.

Hmm, maybe.
Well of Darkness may pulse 5 times but it never says “hit” and never deals damage so I wonder if it affects the skill or not.

Also Life Siphon hits 9 times so if Vampiric affects it that’s 342 extra health on top of the leech effect.

Still a small amount but maybe it adds up?
Or maybe it just doesn’t?

Guess I’ll wait and see.

Edit: Somewhat ninja’d

I run a well build as a primary. I can confirm it is affected.

Often when I have 10% health, I cast my wells while a Guardian guildie puts up Line of Warding to keep a horde from chasing me and Wall of Reflection to keep projectiles off, and by the time my wells and Line of Warding drop (5sec) I’m at 100% HP.

With Wells, it is a tremendous method of sustain.

Combined with that, I run a full lineup of well support traits (ground-target, wells siphon health, when I run staff I’ll add larger/unblockable marks to compliment) and add life steal traits (life steal on crits as well) with a 65% Crit chance.

All of this will stack, and when my wells and marks all start AoE critting huge groups in WvW and PvE, I’m getting a very sizable health return (not including life force).

For DPS or condition necros? Likely not nearly as much return. But I run with my guild, and my duty is utility, often the tank in PvE and AoE havoc in WvW.

I used the skill before… now I do not.

Popping in and out of DS is what made the Necro… well… a Necro. Competing special skills with, say, the Guardian or Ranger, DS is otherwise very underwhelming without the ability to use it when needed. Perhaps start off matches with full life force and I’d have a different overview, or increase the power of the 4 attached skills to make the added climb for life force more meaningful (but they’ve already nerfed them several times during development).

I only forsee more nerfs on the horizon.

I haven’t done extensive testing, so I’d be curious to find as a Necro if it also affects our various life-stealing skills.

If so, I may have to adjust my build a little…

Let it be known the pact is lead by a Necromancer, because Necromancers are win.

Joshiasi.2840:

And you think for you that is unfair? And you talking about AION? I came from Aion (Triniel original then became Zikel). For most part of playing the game, (about 2 years+) I have been in the most unbalanced side (Asmo) in that server. Did I transfer? No. Did I QQ about being outnumbered? No. My mentality is to keep on fighting. As long as I contribute to the cause then it helps.

In my PvP experience, our ratio was pretty much 5:1 in which for almost 1 year, we barely get an upper abyss fort and even then the Elyos can gather enough forces to take out our Gelk forts.

But never did I cry foul but know the balance issue was the problem. You seem to keep blaming DH for a problem that is an issue for all servers. You think it was fun for us to be camped in our spawn area in all battlegrounds on the 1st week-long battle? But I did not complain. I don’t care about the points. Its all kitten. I PvP for the sake of PvP.

Even in NA Primetime we get outmanned buff in some maps but I still PvP. So maybe you should understand before you judge a server. Even try for 1 day in this server to see our side of the battle before judging the server as “carebears”

Another Triniel veteran? I was there as well, though ended up following Corvus to New Israphel when the servers merged. There we had to deal with Mortred, which I’m certain you’re all too familiar with. Though I still had a lot of friends on Zikel, and I know full well what the Asmos had to put up with there.

I actually very much understand. As aforementioned, I yielded the point already. It’s ironic, I actually agree with many of DH’s posters.

I’d have kept quiet, if DH posters however didn’t decide to take my backing down and continue the blame game and insult forum PvP after the fact.

But, that said… I am not on DH. I do not see what is going on. Only you can answer that, or I’d have to transfer and do so myself, which is not practical given I’ve my own guild and alliance to tend to. I’ll have to take your word on it.

From SF’s standpoint, or more accurately my own standpoint that just happens to be shared by many SF’ers, DH has made this intentional. They’ve formulated a massive alliance of guilds by what has been reported to us, and made it a point to pull that as a standard tactic. Many DH’ers have even made comments in support of this conclusion here.

Based on that, the fact I do not see DH mobile or nearly as active during NA primetime, and based on DH’s relative d0uchb4g3ry in response to my actually agreeing with them, I made it a point to just enjoy PvP attacking SoR, because I know they will fight back based on last week and what has so far happened this cycle.

Without the insults or forum PvP, I do hope that puts things into perspective. I’ll try once more to be the “bigger man”.

Lurko.7185:

I’ll fight anytime. Just pick a sPvP and I’ll meet you there. Or we can come find you in WvW. Don’t matter to me. My normal play time is 7PM EDT – 1 AM EDT.

Excellent. Mine is slightly behind yours, same times in CST. I suppose I’ll see you in SF borderlands then?

Joshiasi.2840:

Enerjak.2475:

griffdog.3927:

Enerjak,

It’s blatantly obvious that the DH night crew really pisses you off. I’m fine with that. In fact, I think it’s hilarious it affects you so much. The same thing happened to DH in our match-up with Yaks. It’s easy to lose respect for a guy when he continually lumps all of us in as “insects” and “PVEr’s”. It really hurts my feelings – STOP IT!! lol…

However, we still have lots of respect for the rest of your server, (Props to SF and SoR for last week and a great start to this week so far!) because we don’t make hasty generalizations about entire servers. So please, by all means continue to post in your current passive aggressive tone, claiming that our methods (we play when we can) don’t bug you when they so obviously do. It’s quite entertaining.

You’re clearly upset that I’ve chosen to fight SoR for direct competition. 1-10umad? Tell us how you really feel.

I actually tried to drop it some time ago, DH apparently is just REALLY butthurt by what has been said that they just wouldn’t leave it alone, even after I yielded. Truth hurts, I know. But generally when your opponent says, “you’re right, you win”, it is in good sport to accept that and move on.

DH just can’t do that. I actually respected DH prior to that. But, you want to keep going, then keep going we will. I’ve already proven the bigger person by that alone and have nothing further to prove.

So come, children. Let the forum PvP continue. You’ve already shown you cannot fight in game, why not here? After all, the great thing about a forum is you can’t PvE your way to victory.

Wow. I feel sad that your server are a bunch of elitist and you are not even on in the class of HoD, SBI and JQ. Please stop acting like your server are PvP gods while we just PvE our way to victory. Oh wait how does your server enjoy PvEing our doors in the morning hours? Seems like your server does it too.

If you want fair and equal grounds PvP. Then you are in the wrong forum thread. sPvP is your forum. Do you want a link to it aswell?

I’m not a representative of the server. Your complaint is against me, not SF. Many SF are annoyed with DH becoming Yak’s Bend Lite, but will get over it. It was dealt with last week, and we simply weren’t looking forward to dealing with it all over again this week from the exact same group.

You comment on attacking you in the morning… I work in the morning. Invalid.

The rest is you just blowing smoke up my kitten and making yourself out to be a moron. The only two comments I made solid on DH is 1.) I would rather fight SoR because they’re fun, and 2.) DH’s night crew PvEs guards to get ahead because SF isn’t around and SoR is severely weakened at that time. I’m no PvP god, though if you’ve ever met Golden Rice from SF (originally from Aion), you’d have some fun hearing about that.

I do however pick and choose my targets. I target SoR, and while targeting SoR, I make note to target areas that have some shred of defense… or I’ll move to where there are battles being fought at/around SoR controlled territory, knowing DH won’t be there. They don’t attack during daylight hours, only defend. I’ve yet to be proven wrong in that. SoR states they’ve seen DH moving about, but few from SF have. I’ll have to take SoR’s word on that.

That’s how all of yesterday’s battles went, focusing on SF borderlands. Which, as stated, I’ve witnesses to prove our goals, intentions, and actions with the assumption you are just a kitten.

But I suppose in your mind, just because I enjoy PvP over PvE and seek it out against an opponent I know can deliver (SoR), I declare myself a PvP God Elitist Hypocrite and need to be in sPvP. I enjoy sPvP, but it does not provide me the opportunity to play with my entire guild. WvW does.

Poor ignorant creature… perhaps you’ll understand someday.

griffdog.3927:

Enerjak,

It’s blatantly obvious that the DH night crew really pisses you off. I’m fine with that. In fact, I think it’s hilarious it affects you so much. The same thing happened to DH in our match-up with Yaks. It’s easy to lose respect for a guy when he continually lumps all of us in as “insects” and “PVEr’s”. It really hurts my feelings – STOP IT!! lol…

However, we still have lots of respect for the rest of your server, (Props to SF and SoR for last week and a great start to this week so far!) because we don’t make hasty generalizations about entire servers. So please, by all means continue to post in your current passive aggressive tone, claiming that our methods (we play when we can) don’t bug you when they so obviously do. It’s quite entertaining.

You’re clearly upset that I’ve chosen to fight SoR for direct competition. 1-10umad? Tell us how you really feel.

I actually tried to drop it some time ago, DH apparently is just REALLY butthurt by what has been said that they just wouldn’t leave it alone, even after I yielded. Truth hurts, I know. But generally when your opponent says, “you’re right, you win”, it is in good sport to accept that and move on.

DH just can’t do that. I actually respected DH prior to that. But, you want to keep going, then keep going we will. I’ve already proven the bigger person by that alone and have nothing further to prove.

So come, children. Let the forum PvP continue. You’ve already shown you cannot fight in game, why not here? After all, the great thing about a forum is you can’t PvE your way to victory.

Shakar.3485:

@Enerjak

Re-read my first post it never suggested the removal of commander. How you get “removal” from let the guild he represents see it. Is probably cause you did not fully understand my point of view. So I took the time to try and understand your point of view. What little information I found on your website I can see your little group is based on military command. Which I am not against being a veteran myself as well as you.

So to avoid further argument since we can’t see eye to eye on everything I think we both can agree that the Allaince function should be put into place to help with the commander issue that plagues the forums.

And in regards to your insults not just to me but to others as well I think you should re-read your rules on your web page, #2 I believe it was.

On a personal note my wife would kill me if I spent $500 on a game for an icon.

Fair enough. As I mentioned, if they brought back the Alliance function from GW1, I would be all for your proposal. Hell, would save resources on getting the kitten Commander status in the first place and we’d lose no functionality. Without that however, I support the current function over removing/altering it to single-guild use.

I did mention you are due apology, which you are. I apologize for both my assumptions as well as direct attacks. I misunderstood your original post because it did not include the note for Alliance functionality, and without that would have made the Commander option unusable.

Given my wife and I play together, including WvW, she actually encouraged me to do so. For us, spending money on a game is no different than spending money on any other hobby (if you ever simulation paintball, one marker can run you easily 3x that amount from kitten – an equatable hobby that I also partake in). Though, at risk of sounding even more like an arrogant kitten different households have different income as well… and $500 just isn’t anything for us to have to worry about.

That said, thank you for your service sir.

@Lurko – Irrelevant if they do or do not. We see when their majority is online, and I’ve already voiced it is a sound tactic to concentrate the majority (admittedly not all) of your forces on night capping. It guarantees the most ground covered in the shortest amount of time, and minimizes the chance of it being taken back before you’ve had your points boosted substantially.

I said I don’t find it fun. Therefore I have been fighting SoR, because they are fun. No greater reason, no lesser reason.

I spent last night having a blast fighting SoR directly, completely ignoring DH as trivial insects, knowing their numbers won’t be online until 3am or so – no point fighting them before that. SoR bites back, and makes matches fun.

You are not fun. Therefore I will not waste great resources fighting you.

Do you understand now? I WvW to have fun and PvP. You don’t provide that, so I go where I can get it.

@Alturus – What’re you talking about? I spent last night fighting SoR in SF borderlands.

I said before, I would concentrate fighting them because I enjoy fighting them. They are fun, because they bite back.

I did just that. Several other guilds ran with me that can attest to that, should you require the evidence. The night was spent engaging SoR head-first at Crag, Sunny, Foghaven, Titan, etc all night as we kept butting heads and capturing/retaking over one another repeatedly, making for some interesting fights.

I said I’d leave DH alone, and I am. I’m not in WvW to PvE like DH is.

Cael.2641:

It’s funny how you say you ignore DH when we can pretty much ignore SF because you remain in third

Kinda like how DH stayed in 3rd last week even with PvEing their way through, amirite?!

Zulubeast.8519:

The system is screwy right now, but as DH, SoR, and I’m guessing most of SF have moved on and are trying their best to play their advantages within the points constraints, why can’t you?

Point taken. I yield the debate.

Elthurien.8356:

Darkhaven is currently the server I love to hate because every offpeak fight is an uphill battle. well done DH keep it up

Of course it is. They won’t fight you during peak. SoR is too strong.

Actually, no. That isn’t what I’m saying.

I said some time ago, I would not rob DH of a well-coordinated action to get points and possibly win. We beat it already, so we really don’t need to prove we can do it. Beating a 1-trick-poney really isn’t anything to brag about.

I’ve no desire to organize at 3am. I’ve a wife and kid, a full time career. I’m not going to set an alarm and try to explain to my wife that I’m going to shove a barbed wire link chain up DH’s rectum until they can taste it in their throat. Nor am I going to tell her I need to do that when she asks me to come to bed with her.

Given it is intentional, do you deny you’re a PvE queen? You intentionally avoid PvP (you’ve 100+ sitting in 1 keep to defend the orb against assaults of 20ish, and never once leave the door… but you’ll come out in full force at 2-4am) in favor of NPCs, by yours and your server’s own admission.

Sound tactic, as aforementioned. You can’t fight SF or SoR directly and hope to win, so you’ve to find another way. It’s understandable. Often even a humiliating victory is still a victory.

Are DH bad PvPers? I’ve no clue. They don’t PvP enough for me to find out.

Joshiasi.2840:

Seems like someone is mad here.

Maybe you should be trying the borderlands more. Seems like you are keen too much in EB and maybe just maybe get out of that map and see how it is like over there.

Seems like Sunday evening EST we pretty much got 3 orbs from all realms. The borderlands crew are more organized in that particular aspect from my experience there. Seems like a lot of pugs pick EB as their main zone while our more organized groups work in the borderlands to get the orbs.

For me, orbs > stonemist. Only go to EB to make a push every now and then when needed but its borderlands for me.

I spend time in all areas. My words ring true in the borderlands as well. DH will sit in their keep, and sleep. They might swat the flies that try to pick on a door that’s guarded by 1/3 of your entire server or so, but you’ll never catch them in daylight hours leaving the door of that keep.

They’ll guard those orbs all day. The moment they’re about to reset, the entire server camps and just sits there. Once captured, they go right back to the keep, and go back to sleep.

As mentioned… I enjoy fighting SoR. DH PvEs too much for me to get excited over a battle with.

Lurko.7185:

So what I am getting is that SF isn’t ready for 2 week matchups because it’s too hard and they don’t have the will to win. It’s been a fun matchup, unfortunatly where SF is slacking, Darkhaven is coming alive and will continue to get better week over week.

What happens if you face Yak’s Bend? They taught us an important lesson. Adapt and overcome. We did it. It can be done.

It can be done. I simply don’t want to set my alarm for 3am just to PvE.

We smashed DH last week, and DH was doing precisely the same thing. We know we can smash DH because it’s already been done.

Fighting a stationary target that doesn’t do anything but defend < 5 positions, immobile, during all daylight hours is not fun.

SoR brings the fight to us. We have epic matches. I’ll happily fight SoR all day. Likely just ignore DH, not even worth it. They won’t fight us.

SoR captures territory at night too. All servers do. The difference is SoR doesn’t ONLY capture during night, and has absolutely no problem giving us a fight.

Zulubeast.8519:

Enerjak.2475:

We beat DH’s night shenanigans last week. We proved we are more than capable, while simultaneously fighting SoR’s very strong forces at the same time.

We just aren’t PvE queens. That’s why I’d rather spend my time fighting SoR. It’s enjoyable. I get nothing from slaughtering DH during primetime.

But somehow, they must REALLY love those NPC guards, because they won’t fight us directly in favor of them.

Is it a viable tactic? Very much so. But I’m not going to be bored trying to pick a fight with DH knowing they won’t fight back.

SoR, tag. You’re it. >:D

Yes, lets label all the players who have no choice but to play during your night as PvE queens. It’s not their fault fights are few and sitting from the position of 1st place of course you’re going to want to PvP. When you’re in second and need to make up a point gap, taking land is much more important that PvPing. I’ve seen my fair share of all servers running past player groups in favor of NPC targets that grant points for the score.

Given all servers are from all walks of life (all countries, time zones, etc), no one server has a dramatically higher population of one group over the other.

That said, DH also has an alliance of 30+ guilds coordinating strategy. They’ve had this done to them in the past, and admit to intentionally doing it to others. Deliberately, not simply because that is when their numbers are online.

After all, if that were the case, SF and SoR would have relatively equal numbers during these times, simply because the servers do not segregate. One may have an advantage, but it would be a very minor one. Not anywhere near enough to field the results they’ve had, and the self boasting they’ve given of, “SF and SoR don’t even bother trying to fight us because we strike at night!” as many of them have made.

I call them PvE queens because it is intentional. It is a tactic they have discussed amongst their own, agreed upon, and implemented. They purposefully place PvE during hours of no-contest, even at consequence of personal schedules, to get those points.

Can you not understand the difference?

Short of that, you’re wrong about the server rank and objectives. I just said we (SF) will fight SoR before DH strictly because SoR actually fights us. It’s fun.

In case you missed it, we’re #3 this week currently. Yet we’re still going for what we enjoy, what we actually enter WvW to do – PvP.

Your contrary note is not valid – at least in representation of SF as a whole.

PotatoOverdose.6583:

A lot of SF’ers are just bored atm. We dealt with darkhaven’s nighttime shenanigans in the previous round. All’s fair in blah blah blah and all that. We fought and won the previous match against all of the same stuff we’re against now.

It’s just that many of our players (judging from chats in borderlands and in eternal the day before reset) were looking forward to fighting someone else. This is more directed at darkhaven, very few of us have a problem with SoR. Plenty of good fights with SoR.

Basically, during the day we have to fight hard against SoR to take anything, and at night when we get the out manned buff on all maps, dark haven rolls over everything. The orb hacks don’t help either. We’ve beaten it once. From my point of view, beating the same exact thing again is tiresome.

^^^ This.

SF and SoR are a dead-even, perfect match against one another. In fact, many guilds on SF will intentionally direct our attention to fighting SoR simply because they’re fun to fight against, and just about every single engagement will be an epic one. It’s fun.

DarkHaven will camp 1 keep and sit there. All day. They’ll have 1/2 of their entire server sitting on that one keep, occasionally moving to hit Stonemist when they notice SF or SoR are moving to hit it, but otherwise they are stationary.

Then night falls… SF goes to bed, SoR goes to bed… Darkhaven sets their alarm clocks for about 2-3am and gets to work farming PvE.

SF and SoR wake up the next day, and go to work. Darkhaven keeps farming PvE for another few hours.

Where SF was once ahead with SoR within 200 points of us, PvE queens have taken over the map.

SF and SoR continue fighting one another because it’s epic and fun, DH camps their 1-2 favorite outposts and goes to sleep, occasionally repelling the small raids that might try to catch them off guard.

Rinse, lather, repeat.

We beat DH’s night shenanigans last week. We proved we are more than capable, while simultaneously fighting SoR’s very strong forces at the same time.

We just aren’t PvE queens. That’s why I’d rather spend my time fighting SoR. It’s enjoyable. I get nothing from slaughtering DH during primetime.

But somehow, they must REALLY love those NPC guards, because they won’t fight us directly in favor of them.

Is it a viable tactic? Very much so. But I’m not going to be bored trying to pick a fight with DH knowing they won’t fight back.

SoR, tag. You’re it. >:D

Shakar.3485:

I never suggested to remove the commander.

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You suggested removing its primary function, the ability for several guilds to coordinate to see each other on the map, see targets, a chat that isn’t cluttering /map or /team, etc, allows multi guilds to hit >1 target, move efficiently, etc.

Constructive criticism doesn’t involve insults.

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True. If you take offense to simple words, then you are due apology.

You should never jump to assume you know someone.

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The point remains valid. The very notion that you would remove a vital tool for multi-guild functionality is asinine.

Personally I love WvW and think its great fun.

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Congratulations, it is a great game mode. I would hope it is enjoyed.

You say you lead 7 guilds. Is this 7 guilds all at once or at different times? Or is this just an example of you sending out a text of chat in /map to random people and assuming they are following your commands and that gives you the right to say you are leading them?

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Valid question. We’re a 7 guild alliance that includes my own. We’ve a coordinated Vent, a facebook group to schedule events. Each guild is sovereign. As a Commander, I facilitate coordination of these guilds, functioning as a council, each week the “lead” vote rotates.

Hope that clarifies, and gives perspective. Your idea of Commander’s function would kill the ability for guilds to join together efficiently, removing a tool for us to be able to synchronize multi-target raids, work between maps, and slow down our mobilization (the result is herding cats).

If you are leading these guilds at one at a time then my suggestion would stand. Let that guild you represent and only that guild see your icon.

If this is an alliance of guilds then I would suggest a guild option to select your map commander for each guild. Would also lead into a new guild function where numerous guilds would be part of a collective where they choose a map commander.

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Interesting, but not currently available.

You are blind if you do not foresee the utter confusion that multiple commander icons on a WvW map will become a negative impact on that servers performance.

The map chat alone would and will become worse with time and the amount of increasing commanders.

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Option 2: Only show it to those you invite to your squad.

Already addressed.

Your statement that one guild is not sufficient to perform is false. A small guild can gain points for their server. Is it more effective to have multiple guilds attack various points of interest? Yes.

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You answered that with your final note. A single guild can take a supply depot, might hold it for 5-10 minutes if they’re good.

If they’re a zerg guild, might even get a tower.

They can be of minor import and might even accomplish a +5/10 for the server.

That will not turn a tide in WvW. You have experience, you should know first hand.

The mindless zerg is easy to counter, and while it may even take Stonemist, they sacrifice the rest of the map.

We do not.

So to answer your question on which option of yours I would choose. None.

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I would not choose yours, for the many reasons above.

I think it was a poor decision on Anet’s part that they make the commander book bought with gold.

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This I agree with. I support another method.

I could easily just say you are a gold buyer and support gold farming.

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In a way, I am. I gave ArenaNet $500, 32,000 gems. I exchanged the gems for gold.

I’m so evil, I support ArenaNet. They must be gold farmers, amirite?!

I believe the commander option should have been a guild choice/option.

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I would support this IF ANet brought back Alliances in GW1, and the Commander was shared in the Alliance. You would have my vote.

Better yet, if my ideal of an alliance was with in the game it would be a choice of all the guilds. But as it stands it just shows you had the gold to become one.

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Again, I agree with you IF they brought back the Alliances of GW1.

You were correct about the insults. I did my best to curb it.

My responses are in the spoilers.

Shakar.3485:

I’ve said it in a different topic. I’ll say it here again. Make the commander icon visible to the guild he represents and only the guild he represents. This icon was meant for organization with in WvW. But once you have multiple commander icons on the WvW map you will have more confusion then organization.

Unacceptable. I lead 7 different guilds in WvW. Only one guild would not be sufficient to perform in WvW.

However, to supplement that with constructive criticism...

Option 1: Only show it in WvW.

Option 2: Only show it to those you invite to your squad (that way anyone not in my squad doesn’t whine/bysch/moan about a tiny blue icon on a massive WvW map and we can still coordinate those we are responsible for without incident)

Option 3: Automatically hide the icon if you have less than 1 full party +1 person in your squad (that way you can still coordinate 2+ parties, but if only 1 party or 1 person, it won’t show at all).

Etc etc etc.

There are a million ways to make people stop whining. Unfortunately I disagree with your approach as it removes the entire point of the Squad Commander (the ability to coordinate multiple guilds). Such an idea would be utterly stupid and obviously comes from someone who not only doesn’t understand the option’s utility nor do they WvW on a regular basis.

Take your pick from one of the options I provided, which would satisfy the QQs, any combination of them, or create one of your own that doesn’t essentially remove Squad Commander from the game altogether.

Spaceman.1063:

“I got Commander to assist my guild alliance of 7 guilds to coordinate properly. A party is only 5, and when we’ve 50 people blah blah blah… . One less self-righteous troll for me to bother with in my efforts to play with my alliance effectively. "

I’m not sure if you’re a moron or if you’re simply roleplaying one, so I will repeat that for you:

I. Do not. Care. About. You. Or. Your. So Called. Alliance.

I don’t play WvW for you, with you, or because of you.

I didn’t choose you to command me, or to command anything else in this game.

I don’t need to see you on my map.

Your entire reply has nothing to do with me asking to be able to to not see your icon constantly cluttering my map. I do not ask for the commander status to be removed from you. I ask for the ability to not see you, because your presence on the map has absolutely nothing to do with me. You’re one of the hundreds of players that are running around, no more, no less. I don’t need, from all of them, to see you, and specifically you across the entire map. It has zero information value to me and actually distracts me at times when I’m looking for a commander that I want to see and follow. From just the two of your posts I can easily tell you that you’re not one of those. I want you out of my map. You are free to stay on anyone else’s map if they wish to, but I don’t.

As aforementioned, one less self-righteous moron for me to bother with. Go ahead and block me. An icon over my head strictly in WvW and never saying anything to you in game, no command given, etc etc etc is clearly ruining your experience in Guild Wars 2. You’re clearly upset.

1-10umadubad? Tell us how you really feel.

Spaceman.1063:

I too wish to have the ability to block the so called “commanders” completely, no matter how much they paid for a shiny icon.

These people do not represent, nor command me.

Some of the most obnoxious I have blocked (still having to put up with their icons constantly cluttering the interface), some I do respect for having a good play style but even then rarely follow them, because there’s much else to do and my own group is already well commanded, some I tolerate for at least staying quiet, but I still don’t need to see their icons for that.

I wish to have an opt-in to display a particular commander in case I decide to follow him, or be commanded by him. Otherwise, get them out of my face.

I got Commander to assist my guild alliance of 7 guilds to coordinate properly. A party is only 5, and when we’ve 50 people between us in WvW, not being able to see each other on the map or have a unified chat, the ability to see waypoints, etc is a pain in the kitten This has been instrumental in our ability to improve.

I didn’t get it to command you. I honestly don’t care about you. I turn off the icon outside of WvW because people self-inviting to my Squad is annoying given I only have the desire to accept members of my alliance or those few PUGs I let into our Vent.

Quite presumptuous you are about us. But by all means, block me too. One less self-righteous troll for me to bother with in my efforts to play with my alliance effectively.

nexxe.7081:

FamousTran.7238:

^ It seriously is. SFer here, heh. Darkhaven and Rall are like our equals!

Darkhaven was doing good last night too, then we lost what we gained. It seems like we all got matched up again this week.

DH’s strength is its ability to night ninja. Last week they started off trying to brute force SF and SoR head-first, and took some pretty vicious losses. Even though DH has a higher population and a 30 or so guild alliance, unified vent, etc… SF/SoR were just stronger in a blunt brawl.

I’ve to credit their ability to adapt. Though, just like last week, during the day DH will lose all that they conquered at night. The only question stands if they will lose it to SoR or SF… last week it was SF. SoR has been bringing a kitten strong fight this week, we’ll see if we can overcome it again.

SF will get #1 back during primetime, as we always do. I am not phased by Dark Haven’s sudden lead overnight. We saw them get annihilated in the daytime, and come back at night to ninja the map. We took it from them again the next day then, and we’ll do so again today.

This will repeat several times over with SoR caught somewhere in the middle for the next few days.

DH plays to their strength, and that is to be commended. They cannot match SoR or SF in primetime, so they rally during the middle of the night.

SoR is trying to match brute force to SF during primetime, and I’ve to say the matches tend to be pretty epic.

DH is doing now precisely what they did last week. And, just like last week, SF will defeat it. I welcome their attempt to prove me wrong… after all, even if I am wrong, they will only tie us for victory, given SF won last week.

Then we can have our tie-breaker.

Interesting Sarcasm. I wouldn’t mind fighting you to see first hand.

Staff. Well of Blood, Well of Suffering, Well of Corruption, Well of Darkness, Lich.

Trait 100% into marks and wells for increased range, effect, damage, healing, and cooldown.

AoE away.

Nothing in Power. 20 max in Precision for ground-target wells, otherwise your best traits are in Death and Blood for such a build.

I’ve ended up veering into a full Mark/Well build with dual dagger off set. 4 Marks + 4 Wells and Lich (with 3 Marks of its own) tends to do well in damage, and if you slot vampiric wells, you have substantial healing as well if you’re decent at grouping, boon removal, decent conditions, and very respectable damage.

However, I do very much agree with the consensus… the note that all classes can perform all roles does not apply to Necromancer… Necro you are a tank and CC. That’s it. Anything else you try to put together is trumped by any other class.

People who claim they can DPS as a Necro… when you can deal 9,000 PvP damage (13,000 in PvE) in 1 hit easily and consistently like a Warrior, then we’ll talk. Hell, if you can do half that, I’d be giving you credit.

People who claim they can heal as a Necro… when you are standing next to a Water Elementalist, I don’t honestly think you’ll still claim that for very long.

Don’t get me wrong… I am happy with my Necro… but saying a Necro is capable of DPS is like saying an Aion 1.0 (not 1.5+) Templar was capable of the same.

Worban.1574:

I’m a guild officer on Darkhaven and would like to say thanks to both Sorrow’s and Sanctum for a really great match last week! It was so much fun and I love a close, 3-way battle. And boy, was it close all around; a real nail-biter.

I encourage both SF and SR to organize this sort of thing; despite all the challenges of doing so. Rest assured, Darkhaven has learned a lot from both of you, will be even more organized than before. Personally, I am quite happy about assigning the same WvW servers. This rematch will be the true test of our mettle.

Oh and if you are about to start a 1v1 battle with a Darkhaven player, we’re staring each other down, sizing each other up, and he waves/salutes you right before the fight, it’s probably me.

Cheers to all and remember to have fun; don’t stress too much over this stuff.

We had a blast and I am very happy to see the new matchup.

Even if we lose, we still have bragging rights however that we won the first.

Guardian Of Tyria.6397:

I’m one of the officers of Comitatus Bellicus de Optimus [CBO] and we generally have 3-5 people in WvW on average, with upwards of 5-8 (small-ish guild). Those of us that have been in WvW have been waiting for something like this. There was an early attempt at organization late in beta, but it fell through.

I just happened upon this post, so my guild doesn’t know about it yet, but I’ll bring everyone up to speed. Please either PM me or /w me in game and we can maybe start to get some coordinated efforts started.

PM has been sent with appropriate info. You may hop in our vent and ask any questions you feel necessary, otherwise feel free to join in the fun.

iii.3905:

we started 3rd place tonight 2 k points behind 2nd, end first place with over 7k points over 3rd place sorrows furnance and nearly 4.5k over sanctum. its 723am. i need to sleeeeeeep

Fear not. We beat you last time, we’ll climb back up again.

Forice is unfortunately whining far too much for me to bother reading/responding. Yes, I did watch your video however. And I stand by every comment I made.

Your kitten stroking though is a bit amusing. You’re clearly the b3s7 n3cr0 3v4r, so pro. Every other player in the game pales in comparison to your existence. You are such a pro necro that you automatically win in real life, get all the women, money, and a trillion dollar contract rapping about slapping byshes.

/sarcasm

I think somewhere in your self-ego-boosting and whining worse than an infant you were trying to challenge the rest of us… then you went off to say “I’ll delete this post if anyone else is mean to me! …IE provides any criticism that isn’t followed by stating I’m the best necro ever!”

Pathetic.

I’ll keep my Exotics, ty.

I do more damage with a mark/well build, and that can affect a huge area as well as provide condition support/removal, stripping boons, ample healing, and equally useful in all arenas (PvE, Dungeon, sPvP, WvW).

Anything with minions these days I’ve to frown at. Too many baddies running around with minions in PvP actually thinking they’ll protect them… 1 AoE spec player lays them to rest almost instantly.

I agree with Boz unfortunately… poor example of Necro potential.

I will not rob Darkhaven of a well-organized and impressive comeback, but Sorrow’s Furnace still won, and held control during daylight hours. Victory is still ours in spite of that.

Darkhaven aren’t being poor sports, I see no reason not to congratulate them for nearly pulling victory out of thin air. Superbly executed. If Sorrow’s Furnace were less-capable of stopping the expansion, you’d have nailed it.

Sanctum…. Y U NO ATTACK FORT ASPENWOOD?!?!

/rant

Superbly fought. I look forward to a rematch, one the Sorrow’s Revenge Alliance and Hakaishin will try our damnest to ensure is won by us again.

Sorrow’s Furnace is win. Just sayin’.

On a more serious note however, one particular fight will stick out for me…

We were in Darkhaven’s borderland this week, and we breached the west gate at the same time Sanctum breached the east gate of the primary garrison.

About a minute later, all three servers were fighting in the middle of Darkhaven’s primary Garrison in perhaps the single most bloodiest and epic fights I’ve ever seen in an MMO.

Battles for Stonemist weren’t nearly as epic.

I hope to fight Darkhaven and Sanctum again. Soon.

Sorrows Furnace is win, but I’ve always enjoyed fights against Darkhaven, even in beta.

Sanctum, fought you twice in a row… Y U NO ATTACK FORT ASPENWOOD?!?! lol

Excellent fight however. Hakaishin enjoyed it tremendously.

It’s actually rather obvious that regardless of which avenue ArenaNet chooses (“fix” it or not), there are going to be a large number of people upset about it.

That said, think about it from a business standpoint… WTF?

Put forth the effort to change it, only to have the same result? Or leave it alone and simply try to improve what you already have, and people still complain?

I hope to see WvW improve as time passes, but I’m not going to stress over this. As aforementioned, I’ve little trouble reconquering territory during the day when the fight is strong.

I WvW, as does my entire guild, to PvP on large scale. A way for our entire guild to PvP together without being limited to separate parties. A way to use the resources we earned elsewhere in the game and have it mean something to the server itself in the bonuses we provide them through very fun gameplay.

I wouldn’t penalize off-time players. I’ve a friend in Saudia Arabia who plays, as well as a guildie in Hawaii. The latter is eating an early dinner with his family when I’m going to bed late (he’s a good 6 hours behind me). Naturally he’ll be in WvW during “non-peak” times, and I’m not going to punish him for it.

As aforementioned, I’d like to see the optional upgrade of automated defenses, make it a bit harder for far smaller groups late at night to conquer an entire map all at once, but not stop them altogether and still give them the same points for conquest. This would also make the daytime sieges far more interesting.

Smitten.3076:

Enerjak.2475:

Money isn’t an obstacle to me. 32,000 gems isn’t an obstacle to convert into 100g. It’s some $500. Big whoop. I spend more than that taking my wife out to dinner.

obviously just kitten stroking their kitten.

The irony , OH the irony.

My kitten enjoys when I stroke it. Purrs even. Especially when I scratch behind its ear.

But kittens stroking kittens? Blasphemy.

On a more serious note however, only proof that the idea of anyone with Commander is a botter is asinine. Some people simply need it beaten into them.

Kazim.2043:

Enerjak.2475:

Besides… who says we cannot do the same to them? Each server without exception has late-nighters, people with odd schedules, etc. There is no 1 server doing this. That said, ours can retaliate in much the same fashion, perhaps even meet them and wipe them in the attempt.

Yes you can and you should do.

Actually if you want to win, what you should do is to delete that teamspeak, delete your alliance forum and only focus on getting more people up at 03-07 AM. If you can bring 60-100 people to WvW at 03-07 AM you win.

You don’t need to do anything else. Casuals will handle the rest for you at peak time. Perhaps you can put a commander for each map to help them a bit more, but I don’t think you need that either.

I really don’t want to demotivate you, however that’s the reality of current game mechanics.

I’d be lying if I said I didn’t agree with you to extent. I do see room for improvement on ArenaNet’s end. At the same time however, I do not want to see timed engagements, as that would only reward those of a particular schedule, which isn’t right or fair.

I don’t mind re-conquering territory the next day. It sucks that the fort we just conquered and added as [GODS], paid 5 gold in upgrades, etc was taken in middle of the night, likely with minimal defense… I am not contesting that at all.

Perhaps even create upgrades of automated defenses? Automated trebs, cannons, etc. This would not stop the outposts from being taken, but require a substantially larger force to take it over, and meaning a night raid of 30 late nighters wouldn’t be capable of turning the entire WvW around in a few hours by themselves.

Just a thought, though I highly doubt ArenaNet would actually read or respond to such a suggestion.

Understood. I’ve accepted the application to the site, and you should now have access to our forum. I’ve also PMed you the information for our Vent.

I’ll be home from work this evening and can formally invite you to the guild.