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Unavoidable damage in necessary to diversify builds. You either need someone to soak unavoidable damage or you need to heal through it. If all damage is avoidable you might as well give everyone 1 HP and remove Toughness, Vitality and Healing Power from the game. Every MMO who’s had decent raid content has unavoidable damage.
This is an action mmo not a trinity tab target. If the only way to get people to use different gear is by using an annoying mechanic that people don’t like then there’s a problem with the game. The unavoidable damage literally comes from nowhere it’s just a huge kittening aoe around the boss there isn’t even an animation just a stupid ticker on every player, It’s an afterthought and it shows.
It’s the first boss, not the endboss, it didn’t even get killed, and “unavoidable damage” is so you can actually have to deal with different mechanics. You are showing a lack of understanding on multiple levels.
It would have been killed by now, incase you forgot people got booted as soon as they inevitably wiped as it would take at least one wipe to learn the mechanics. Some of those players were even using full dps builds.
Unavoidable damage is something that people even on this forum have shown great distaste for, it shows nothing about a player and I see it as fanservice to certain players who don’t like when others play with squishier builds, because maybe those players aren’t good enough to play with that gear themselves so why should this other player be more efficient than them? If I can solo lupicus on my berserker elementalist in a few minutes, but another player can solo lupicus in 30mins while going afk because he is using a cleric build or something that has so much passive regen it is carrying him/her through the encounter I can see why the latter would be upset.
So adding 1k damage tick every now and then and suddenly this is what? challenging? you just forced the berserker player to build around an unavoidable gimmick. If someone sacrifices all survivability to clear an encounter faster and they can do it, why else do you think they add this bullkitten?
Agony resistance acted as sort of a gate for fractals, if you weren’t willing to invest x time to buy infusions and x amount of gold into your gear for cosmetics rewards like fractal weapons then yeah you don’t get to do it, it worked in a way but it shows nothing about how good or how bad a player is, especially when the highest level fractal is literally x chance to take agony damage every now and then, unavoidable. It worked in a different way.
INB4 "this is just a beta everything’s going to change, kitten please we’re 3 weeks from release, I’ve played enough beta’s to know when something is a stresstest the game and what we see today won’t change much upon release, their will be minor bugfixes and maybe some scaling of numbers but this is the ‘final form’, you are only deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
When anet actually acknowledged they didn’t know what was capable with their combat system and acknowledged that a meta existed, I thought we would be getting something much much more.
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I thought this was one hell of a coincidence that people get to the the endboss of the raid in the first 15mins of release, get booted from server, then anet deactivates raids, which were specifically advertised as the ‘main event’ for the weekend. I haven’t preordered the game and i’m glad I held off, watching some of those people on twitch who I know have barely put like 10minutes into the game each week get to the endboss in such a short timeframe has made me wonder who is this supposed hardcore crowd that anet is targetting?
-If raids are following this same line of unblockable, condi immune, physical immune trend then we NEED to have ways to save builds, having to change out entire traitlines, gear sigils and runes is so tedious
-People already attempting to trio the raid, as someone that enjoys the 5 man dungeon format I’d prefer if the devs would stop pretending that we are going to see more build diversity because of the 10 man format when clearly this isn’t necessary, more people does not equal more engaging content, see any of the open world stuff. When ‘Challenging group content’ was announced I was seriously hoping for a dungeon revamp, new dungeons and a hardmode version of them, all in 5 man format.
-Gimmick mechanics like undodgeable are not challenging, the guy on the stream said specifically, “you won’t be able to dodge your way out of everything” why the hell is blocking treated any differentely both are active ways of mitigating damage it just so happens the block can scale with duration, traits and 2 guard can rotate 100% block uptime which is kittening stupid.
-Unavoidable damage needs to go like maybe there’s a cult out there that specifically worships the agony mechanic if you can even call it that, unavoidable damage is something on this forum have been complaining about for ages and seeing it come back again on this very first raid is just hilarious to be honest it just proves no one reads this garbage forum.
What the hell does unavoidable damage even do for the game? The people I was talking to said to me they got to the endboss very shortly after release, these are people I consider to be the top players, they will always be the top players and giving fanservice to PHIW’s just because they don’t like buzzwords like zerk or meta is why I wonder who is raids being developed for?
TLDR 10 man is a kittenty organization concept, The good players will always be good players no matter how much you nerf their metagame it will evolve. The same kittenty mechanics that people have been complaining about for years return once again in “Challening Group Content”
Even if people do post their kill videos why would it affect you in anyway? As far as I know world’s firsts are always recorded in every mmo, as someone that hasn’t preordered the expansion I want to see what this encounter will be like and it may affect my decision to buy the game. If a certain group of players complete the encounter in the first 10 minutes of release I’ll want that information asap so I can ditch the game and never look back. If you can’t control what you read that’s your own problem.
The list of dungeon bugs is long and ever growing
FTFY
Is uw easy to solo? I really don’t like underwater combat all the animations feel very locked in.
Yes make us run less fractal content for more rewards! that will be a great way to keep us invested and pouring more time into the game! Excellent Idea! No one wanted new fractals anyway.
Haven’t heard from the QA since maybe she did lose her job lmao
wouldn’t mace make it impossible to die
Glyph of elemental power is already amazing if you want to chill, I use it on d/f alot but I’m not sure if using it for damage would be that good.
Umm I don’t suppose we’re having a gathering to commemorate this special moment?
Most important thing is developing a game around the players that can barely put in 10 minutes a week, filling their minds with things they want to hear with buzzwords like #healer #ChallengingGroupContent #EndOfZerkMeta and watch the preorder number skyrocket. Also read the first page of every forum category and then answer a few of those promises on the stream to pretend like you give a kitten.
Doesn’t affect ele in anyway, now instead of using ice storm you drop after deep freeze or maybe use in a large trash pack but I doubt that’s any better since the 3 target limit. Icebow pretty much useless on smaller targets now. 2nd ele probably unecessary now though. I linecasted alot but now I just won’t use icebow on small target.
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Because the game can barely hold my attention for more than a few weeks I have a hard time building up a friendslist with people that enjoy doing the content I do, when I want. I’m not running dungeons for money I’m not really interested in any items I just want to find people to play with.
Recently came back from a break looking for people on eu to duo/trio dungeons or fractals, i mainly play warrior or ele but occassionally play something else if needed
Whisper me ingame if you are interested ign: Elocan
Posted p2/p3 duo, 4 people join my party from the same guild. ok
Leave and repost, ign: pink goes engineer, this player joins my group let’s me know he’s never done p2 or p3 I politely ask him to leave and don’t join again
>pink goes engineer starts whispering me, assuring me he’s the best of the best and he has alot of experience in dungeons
>he rejoins my group, i dont say anything this time and just leave
>repost lfg this piece of kitten joins again stalking me i get mad
>repost lfg
>“You cannot post lfg ads temporarily due to excessive spam”
>this guy let’s me know he’s reported me
None of this bull kitten will change come HoT
You don’t love whack a mole balance and how happy the guy was for reducing the amount of decent utilities available? It would be nice if they change how icestorm works or at least let it chill on each, but I suppose effectively removing it from the game is just as good in the balance team’s eyes
I wonder if the people that frequent this forum actually believe raids won’t end up a wasteland like fractals/dungeons given their track record and all. All those promises colin made on that stream was just pathetic tbh.
It’s so sad that even on reddit all those plebs rocking necro and ranger flairs think this will somehow make their class more appealing, like they are mad at the world because they picked a garbage class at launch and never bothered to change. Elementalist is a high skillcap class, smallest hp pool in the game on light armour, it only makes sense that the highest risk has the highest reward to play. Even if raids were remotely challenging I doubt icebow would be used anyway as their are much better survivability options or you could just go with the glyph of power to keep even more chill on bosses.
Don’t worry ele’s will still be able to carry raids, even if anets whack-a-mole balance policy continues the exact same thing has happened with fgs and look where eles are today.
“You wont be able to dodge your way out of everything”
“Just by wearing zerker gear you won’t automatically wreck everything you come in contact with” – Guy on stream
I get that these devs don’t have time to play the game on top of their regular work schedules but how can they be this kittening clueless, most of the people playing the game don’t wear zerker gear because they find the playstyle too demanding or above what they are capable of, facetanking hits that you clearly shouldn’t be isn’t something that should be rewarded just so some special snowflake can pretend they are participating in a group. Having to rely on active defenses, quick reaction times and managing cooldowns is something that should be rewarded not frowned upon and mocked by developers.
Quick reminder what the alternative to the zerker meta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1mxlA13ICk
If this is what people want and somehow find this playstyle more engaging I really don’t know what to say, since even a celestial elementalist can facetank and passively outheal most damage which is a flaw in the game, making players rely on passive stat allocations to carry your playing ability is a terrible game decision.
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Anet has banned for less, see how kripparian got banned on the first week of release and he didn’t even know what he was doing was an exploit, which it wasn’t but they still banned him for manipulating the economy. However these people wallsploiting lupi and bugging mossman underwater are well aware that when the designer made these encounter’s they didn’t design lupi with 3 phases so that you could skip the entire fight. They also didn’t design mossman to just stare at you while you kill him.
These people should be banned to set an example, if challenging group content was actually going to be hard they would have banned the exploiters to let the community know that it will not be tolerated but then again those people can’t complete content without exploiting.
If you’ve read my previous posts you’d know im completely against any new content with how broken things are in the live game, besides i’m not even hyped for raids because having 10 people in my instance means I have even less responsibility with how things turn out, and given anets track record to disappoint i’m going to go ahead and take a wild guess and say raids will be the exact same as the current dungeons with double the hp on mobs and another 5 people in my instance.
This game is complete garbage but I didn’t realize the dungeon forums were going with it, what the hell is wrong with you thinking that people bugging mossman somehow takes priority if that’s what people want. Anet needs to get their kitten together and make these bads realize just how awful they are at the game before raids/upcoming fractals are released, majority of the playerbase relying on exploits to get past lupi, mai trin and mossman. Arguably hardest bosses in the game, maybe they haven’t patched it because they know how terrible their players are that it would cause people to stop doing fractals.
I mean think about that, those people would legitimately stop doing fractals or just buy the runs because they are too awful to do the content themselves, only in gw2 is this possible what a great game.
This was the worst announcement I have ever seen, they didn’t even show any content yet they are just over a month from release. 10 man means personal contribution will mean even less, I would have much preferred 5 man hardmode content. They haven’t given pve players a way to measure our skill nor give us the ingame ability to gearcheck other players, check other players dps, combos per minute, might generation per minute, successful aegis blocks these things would be vital to know if the content required more than 1 or 2 good players in a group. I guarantee this content will be completed in the first day or two by some no name scrub guild and you will be able to witness half of the group rolling their faces on their keyboards getting carried.
The whole f2p announcement was a major disappointment. I recall seeing several discussions on the forums created by players suggesting anet brings out an optional sub model to help support the game if it meant more frequent bug fixes and content updates, I mean seriously they haven’t even said if they plan to update and fix the current bugs in fractals never mind dungeons.
The only thing I think I have taken away from today is that the buy 2 play business model can’t guarantee a polished, frequently updated game. I have no motivation to login at all if ever.
It’s literally a paragraph and you couldn’t even bother to read it, like you must have been so desperate to shtpost. I’m talking about the bug.
I spent around 10 minutes kiting mossman multiple occasions now and I must be doing something wrong, whenever I start to fight him normally he will always have 1 wolf that he will spawn. I asked some people about this and they told me he can spawn an infinite amount of veterans which doesn’t make any sense to me since you’d never know when to stop kiting.
What am i doing wrong
Hey looking for people to do pve content in duo or trio groups all I ask is that you know how your class is supposed to function and what to bring in a low man setting, I don’t care what class you play although being able to multi-class would be better. I mainly play elementalist, Mail me in game and i’ll get back to you I play on the eu server.
ign: elocan
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I’ve played with a few people from speedclear guilds and some of them weren’t very good, two of the people I spoke to just straight up admit to me they were incapable of doing the trials themselves because they joined at a time when the guild was smaller, the trials were easier or they were invited by friends. The fact that this toxic player decided to join your pug and call out everyone’s food buff is hilarious though, no-one in that persons guild wants to play with them so that says a lot.
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grar
Do it for the challenge, money is nice too.
This is the first time this has happened to me, I have seen other people complaining about it for years is what I mean, I don’t have a large group of friends available 24/7 to invite into instance. I’m angry that these people will go unpunished and they will continue to steal instances just like that other guy I seen people talking about a while ago.
My own stupidity does not change the fact that the lfg tool is absolutely horrible, it is so open to abuse if you don’t have majority anyone can come in and just kitten with your party. I was on the third fractal once and I was advertising a while before the reset time and some level 36 joined with 300ap (this was a fractal 50) I even explained to him that he did not have the requirements to the content for the group that he joined and even after we kicked him he just kept joining over and over again until we couldn’t post anymore because our group was locked due to ‘spam’.
I will learn from my mistake and will probably have to start multi-boxing on my other account whenever I do dungeons/fractals and anet’s policy isn’t clear enough to define what is and isn’t legal which is partly why I have avoided using my second account, also the multiwars client gave me artifact issues and other performance related stuff. If anet is going to make content that people can solo or do without 5 people in a group the players shouldn’t need to jump through hoops or do anything at all for that matter, the system should be intuitive enough to suit the means of each group no matter what size the group is or whatever the content they are doing I realize anet doesn’t support instance selling but even if we were giving a path away for free it still could have been stolen.
Last but not least give the kittening players some idea what the content is, the description for fractals 40+ is “harder fractals with chance of rings skins, and ascended chests” It doesn’t even explain that the player will need a certain amount of agony resist and that they may need to know what to do before hand on some fractals.
Duo’d a path today with a friend, three people join the group at the same time, they weren’t even in the same map as the dungeon so I automatically assumed they were new players that perhaps didn’t read the lfg, I politely ask them to leave my instance if they are not buying the path. Next thing me and my friend are kicked out of the instance.
I check the lfg and sure enough my instance is now being sold by these kittens. This has been going on for years now and I’m amazed that you simply don’t give players the option to make a group with party leader privileges, players that do not want to join these groups wouldn’t join and we could play our own way.
Anyway I have screenshots of these kittens stealing the instance and then selling it and not that it matters but I even took the time to report them even though I know a kitten thing won’t be done about it. Thank you for this wonderful game with this wonderful community.
Did they fix glitching into CoE when it’s contested? I wanted to do some dungeons after 2 months and it ports me back outside the gate when the popup for open explorable/path mode should happen. o.O
That was like…the only good thing about CoE.
Still works.
Is the teleport to get both consoles done still not working
To add onto this, why bring a guard or a thief when you can have an engineer? the only thing you lose out on is aegis and unless you are in voice comms with eles in your party aegis isn’t all that great. The only skill that aegis benefits is the guardians personal refresh which lasts for an infinite amount of time, guaranteeing that you will not take a hit at least 1 time. However the other skills like retreat and the virtue of courage active are so short that it might actually wear off before you can use it effectively. It means to get value out of this skill you have to put yourself in harms way which is just stupid.
I still don’t see why anyone would take a thief in their party when all skips can be done with a smoke bomb and then having people use their own personal blocks or whatever to stay out of combat during the skip if it’s even necessary, it’s not like it would take much effort either. I just think people are stuck in the same mentality; if it works don’t fix it, but as we seen with the 5 hammer guards bug anything can work and you can still play that same comp today and have a very smooth run.
So I got an infraction point for calling out the irony in the guild name, it’s like the mods didn’t even bother to read your guild tag or anyone’s posts but mine. Stay classy
I think what zui said was right, they haven’t even announced the number of player able to play the challenging content so it may be open ended number, imagine a Lupicus like boss getting killed by like 100 people, you wouldn’t have to worry about anything because there’s literally too many people that his skills reach the maximum number of targets and you don’t even need to dodge. That would just be really sad and I hope they don’t do something like that. I also hope they take into account the personal contributions from each player and reward them appropriately, if someone dies like 100 times during an instance they shouldn’t qualify for a reward imo.
this video demonstrates why I hate playing ele while living in australia
I live in the UK and I get the same thing, I have a really good connection but this game has always been really laggy to me. I asked a few people about it and they said it was packet loss, so I got a VPN and it helped alleviate the lag but it’s still noticeable whenever I use a movement skill.
My advice; find a guild or a group of people to run with, pugging is all in all a horrible experience, I have met some really good pugs, some really bad pugs and the one’s in-between think they’re gods at the game and are unpleasant to be around. If you run with with pugs that are premade in the same guild, chances are you’ll be forced to wait on them have to deal with random afkers, dcers etc. just delaying you even more and they will look for every excuse to kick you.
If you do decide to pug make sure you join a group that you meet the requirements of, otherwise no-one will have a good experience.
I think I hate you
If you already know how to run the paths in a 5 man group, it shouldn’t take too long. I made a post on the forums looking for players to trio or duo dungeons with me and I’d be happy to have you along all I ask is that you already know how the path works and how your class is supposed to function, I don’t know if you’d be interested in that.
easiest probably warrior or guardian
Hi, I’ve recently returned to this game after a long break and I’m looking for a few people that want to run dungeons in either a duo or trio situation on a regular basis, all I ask for is similar minded chill players that want to improve at the game and that you have an idea of how your class is supposed to function in a group setting. I consider myself a pretty decent player, Elemenalist is my strongest class although I can switch to warrior if an encounter is too annoying.
I play on the EU SERVER and I’m online pretty much all the time whisper me if you are interested or leave a response below
My ign: Elocan
The entire lore behind fractals is that you were trying to stabilize the fractal’s instability throughout multiple fractals, does anyone realize how stupid it will sound at the end of each fractal when the npc says something along the lines of “get ready for the next fractal”, she even talks about them being an individual fractal out of many. when you finish the snowblind fractal she says something like “this fractal is cold hopefully the next one will be warmer”. Whoever made this change on the dev team is going completely against what the original creators vision was, the randomness is what made me play fractals that I wouldn’t have played otherwise and I think that’s a good thing. I think you’re an idiot if you think anet will balance the rewards appropriately considering they don’t even play the game never mind know what is a suitable reward, after this update unless it is crucial to progress, people will never do dredge, pugs will never do mai trin and no-one will ever do jade maw.
It’s a complete joke how they didn’t mention in that blog post whether or not they would add new fractals and fix all the bugs plaguing the current ones, this game will be a complete joke if this update is released and half the people are still bugging mossman underwater and the rest are doing that stupid res bullkitten at mai trin, those players can’t even admit they are bad so I am very doubtful it will ever be fixed.
The only thing we really need from this update are bug fixes and fractal weapon boxes, kitten the rest and those piece of kitten gold skins.
thiefs can with that lifesteal trait
Isn’t it that glitch where people could glitch into your instance? I had it happen to me before and it scared the crap out of me, when I ran by kholer in AC there was this ugly as kitten charr just standing there who wasn’t in our group and he just kept writing; “help me” over and over, we didn’t know how to get him out of the instance.
I doubt the level 100 fractals will be any harder than what we currently have, I see no reason not to do this. Rolling people back and then time-gating their progress is obviously a better decision though /s
people dodge certain instabilities because the rewards are so bad compared to the difficulty, if level 100 fractal instability is the hardest thing the game will offer and also provides the best rewards you can get from pve content, then people will do it.
However if it’s non repeatable content daily reward that you have a really small chance of getting anything at all, then yeah people won’t do it, because that’s horrible game design.