I don’t know Elementalists (at all!) so can only give you suggestions as a player of a thief and the things I do to combat another thief.
If your going to drop AOE’s drop them on yourself a second or two after the thief goes into stealth. For a P/D thief, there is no backstab, so it doesn’t matter if you move or not, their shots are going to hit you regardless. The AOE is only there to damage them as they come in for a CnD strike.
If they do come in for a CnD, blinding/dodging are your best bets. Dodging isn’t as hard as it seems as the CnD animation takes some time to execute.
If you haven’t seen them for 3 seconds, then they are coming in for a CnD to remain stealthed (probably waiting on cooldowns to reset or bleeds to do their work). Dodge. Tab-target madly throughout the whole time.
Really, those are the main show-stoppers for a bleed-condition build. Not being able to get back into stealth easily (and therefore get hit while they is -should be are, but ‘are’ and then ‘targeted’ gets kittened- targeted).
In between all that, try to heal and drop condition dmg.
They’re a PITA to combat, but as a result, are infinitely more satisfying to kill. Make sure you jump up and down and laugh at them if you kill them. Also, whisper them and laugh some more, tell them to roll a real class etc. Treat us all as the same person for the purpose of building motivation to dislike them
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2/11 [Sea of Sorrows] vs [Sanctum of Rall] vs [Isle of Janthir]
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I Had a great time last night with our midnight crew trying to take back SoR border. Favourite part of the night was when we found an SoS mesmer in Bay keep and just as I was about to banish him off the wall he got the portal down at the final moment and the whole invading team appeared on me. I was melted in seconds but it was great fun regardless. I have no problem with portal bombing, it’s a great tactic that always keeps you on your toes. Whether we lose this round or not doesn’t matter one bit because I’m having a great time fighting a losing battle. I just wish more people could more optimistic about the game, facing a superior or even equal foe, whether it be numbers, levels or tactics is what makes the game fun for me.
Reps for a good attitude
and for the sig! THAC0…now those were the days!
2/11 [Sea of Sorrows] vs [Sanctum of Rall] vs [Isle of Janthir]
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Dear SoS at SM,
Portal lag bombs are not fun and make players fight rendering rather than other players. Please stop abusing them as your “defense.”
Sincerely,
New Owners of Stonemist
Portal bombs are a valid ‘defense’, server lag is not our fault. Regardless of whether there was server lag or not, it would still be a valid tactic – the advantage given due to server culling in incidental. Instead of trolling, try rewording (or even thinking about) what you are saying.
Perhaps I should accuse you of abusing WvW by logging in (and therefore causing server culling when I run across you with large number of other people about)???
Congrats on taking SM btw
2/11 [Sea of Sorrows] vs [Sanctum of Rall] vs [Isle of Janthir]
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Yep, should be a good week next week and to be honest, I wouldn’t want to be on who’s going to win this one!
IOJ have been missing this week – so we can’t really say with any confidence that they will get steamrolled next week.
SOR are dominating T3 this week after a close loss to SoS last week. They’ll be geared up for a rematch faw shaw!
SoS – hopefully we can continue to improve our inter-guild communication and coordination. I personally would love to see the ‘XYZ guild is sitting at spawn doing nothing’ posts disappear – they don’t help anyone and certainly don’t help us as a server. If theres an issue – take it up with your guild leader or their guild leader. How’s about we keep our dirty laundry OUT of the public eye.
Oh, for the record though, Inter, the vast majority of our NA transfers came from Dragonbrand. We had PRX from HoD and we may have had another couple from HoD or elsewhere that escape me at the moment, but as I say, the vast majority came from DB. Just seems that that combined with our existing strengths makes one heck of a force to be reckoned with.
Ah. All i knew was FoE from ET and PRX and some others from HoD. I kept hearing things about dragonbrand or something but didn’t know it was to SoS.
What confuses me the most is how SoR went toe to toe with you guys but IoJ can’t seem to match that, and if thats due to transfers or something. I don’t think IoJ has fought SoR before.
Yeah, not sure why that is. Possibly IoJ just realised that as long as they do better than HoD, they will be matched with SoS and SoR next week anyway, so chose to take a break this week. Dunno. I wouldn’t write them off just yet, can only wait till next week and see what the result are from that.
oh….one last thing before I pretend to do some work
for those of you having trouble with the ‘reply’ button not working, I made a short vid for reenabling it via Firebug/Chromebug:
@ Alien. He logged right after SoR blew him up in tells and map chats…..we all stood by and watched as his body was abused and beaten by CD. Can’t stand ppl who do this and give SoR a bad name.
Thanks for the update. As a player not on SoR, its nice to hear that you guys are doing something about it. Too often whole servers get tarnished because these morons decide they need to hack/cheat etc.
Its been a helluva lot of fun and I only have respect for SoR, you guys are a tough crowd and a lot of fun. (I’m using guys generically to refer to the girls too btw – just to make sure I’m not offending anyone
One thing I have noticed, is that a number of SoR posters have commented that SoR gets night-capped with little to no resistance. As an Oceanic player, I can tell you that your Oceanic crew are not a walk-over. They do a very good job – with obviously limited numbers. They fight hard and smart and are a PITA!!! I wish all our matchups could be like this
Mesmer portals and thief camp stalling: Why these tactics are important for WvW
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Player personal skill needs to be addressed. There are too many weak players on these forums instead of getting better by playing.
I agree…nerf the good players! If one player wins vs 2+ other players, they should be autobooted from Wv3 and given a 30 minute cooldown.
Joking aside, people do tend to jump on the Mesmers portals are OP, thieves are OP…anyone who pwns me must be OP bandwagon. Sick to death of it. And I’m certainly not claiming to be a good player – avg at best atm.
Mesmer portals and thief camp stalling: Why these tactics are important for WvW
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SoS putting Treb’s in their invul zone to siege Garrison with a Ballista there to shoot anything we build to counter it. Lame. Already reported the people involved.
QQ! …haha…good on them for finding that spot
As a previous poster said, only players are invulnerable. Try setting up more than one siege weapon to take it out. Treat it the same way you treat siege in a keep that is out of range for ranged dps.
Pass the image on to your own BL and do the same. The game is a pretty level playing field, no one team has all the advantages. I’m sure all servers have thieves that are affected by server culling. I’m sure all the BL’s have the same flaws. That Mesmers work the same on all servers.
If people are persistent enough to figure stuff out that is not game breaking, then good on them.
There have been some flaws that are game breaking (such as the one where you could walk into the Hills keep from the SE spawn point, and the Ink-Shot jumping in the Bay) but most of those seem to get reported pretty fast, and once they are known, all servers can then choose to deal with them. Look at fly-hacking and no-clipping, did ANet fix it? nope. So the servers fixed it – you now have people watching the Orbs most of the time.
Not saying that any of those things shouldn’t be fixed. Sure, raise them/report them, but move on. QQing etc about it is not going to make any difference (other than making the abusers laugh when they read your post – I’m of the jump-up-and-down-on-top-of-and-laugh-at-dead-people camp, and saw someone post about it in this thread somewhere, made me laugh no end!!!)
Monday was a public holiday in NZ so there were probably a few more of us able to get online for SoS
I’d like to jump on the bandwagon and agree that this has been the most fun matchup for the last month or so. Sure, we all get issues with server culling and semi-perma-steal thieves, but you deal with that. While I’ve been online the fights have been very even and to-and-fro affairs, which is infinitely more enjoyable than pvDoor or 3vs1’s
SoR and CD are both very worthy adversaries and certainly know how to kick kitten when they need to As an Oceanic, its been really good to see the improvement in the communications between guilds and players alike. We’ve got a way to go yet, but we’re definitely getting better and not getting so many idiots running around.
Keep it up everyone, definitely a even match-up (hopefully you CD guys get some more recruits over the coming weeks, as you’re definitely a well-coordinated server and a nightmare to run into at times!)
you do know you can just target them, click on Report and their name is there in plain sight don’t you? Then just cancel (no need to report them after all
:)
That is hard to do while fighting for your life.
heh, I bet….thats why you don’t do it in combat…presumably if you are fighting them, you have them targetted….wait till combat is over or you have some time, and then right-click on the target and select Report…
heh…dont thank me, I read is somewhere else on the forums…just spreading the info
its great to be able to chat with the enemy sometimes – I’ve congratulated a few people on kick my proverbial sometimes, lol
you do know you can just target them, click on Report and their name is there in plain sight don’t you? Then just cancel (no need to report them after all and /w <name> <msg>
:)
I think we have a record today, they took it just now. After the longest time, quite the amount of siege wasted and soo many sos badges lol. quite the accomplishment for Sos, they even brought fireworks. Well played.
That was a great fight. Although it was annoying having to return and empty out my bags from all the Mag people jumping off the walls into the SoS main force, or trying to fight on the wall only to get blown up by AoE. I probably picked up about 40 badges from that one siege. You had no siege weapons up defending the outta walls at all – cunning Mag tactics?
They weren’t too bad those tactics…all that ends up happening with siege on the outer wall is that it gets destroyed anyway. They did have some manned arrow carts up there, but they were killed pretty quickly, along with the people manning them, and the ones that kept running up the stairs into the grenades etc lobbed up there. They did learn eventually not to run up there tho, was only 10 odd minutes of that.
At least they saved us some of the complications of full loot bags by logging out once they were downed! One thing they do need to learn tho, is that jumping off cliffs at low health, still rewards us XP and loot
Yea was quite a good battle like it is every time. The most funny part though is watching the outnumbered naked maguumans at the very least 3 to 1, wipe out the attackers over and over again.
hmm…I saw it happen at least 2 times where Mag zerged out while we were in the interior, with superior numbers (at that point in time – we had split forces at that point to check other gates and recap some supply camps) only to be wiped. Having said that, there were definitely times when the opposite was also true, there was one in particular which was particularly painful…we’d broken through the inner gate by the south exit and there was a mad dash across that small bridge, which Mag was AoE’ing. Talk about carnage! SoS bodies all over that bridge We even had people stuck in walls (after being pushed by guardians / catapults – was very hard to tell as most of us couldn’t even see the defenders stacked inside.
I think we have a record today, they took it just now. After the longest time, quite the amount of siege wasted and soo many sos badges lol. quite the accomplishment for Sos, they even brought fireworks. Well played.
That was a great fight. Although it was annoying having to return and empty out my bags from all the Mag people jumping off the walls into the SoS main force, or trying to fight on the wall only to get blown up by AoE. I probably picked up about 40 badges from that one siege. You had no siege weapons up defending the outta walls at all – cunning Mag tactics?
They weren’t too bad those tactics…all that ends up happening with siege on the outer wall is that it gets destroyed anyway. They did have some manned arrow carts up there, but they were killed pretty quickly, along with the people manning them, and the ones that kept running up the stairs into the grenades etc lobbed up there. They did learn eventually not to run up there tho, was only 10 odd minutes of that.
At least they saved us some of the complications of full loot bags by logging out once they were downed! One thing they do need to learn tho, is that jumping off cliffs at low health, still rewards us XP and loot So funny to watch tho! I guess it saves on armour repairs at least
Thank you for being civil – we would appreciate it if you exited the thread however instead of carrying on a ‘debate’ in our recruitment thread.
Fair enough, I cannot argue with that. This is on the understanding of course that others posting here realise that if they do not want debate in the thread, that the simplest solution, is to not make statements that elicit debate
Again, apologies for the ‘trolling’ and good luck, you guys do have a great server and community.
To the SoS members trolling here – we would appreciate it if your server would refrain from posting in this thread unless you are here to express interest in joining us. Your server is winning handily against us – if your intention is to demonstrate the base hypocrisy of individual members of your server, so be it. However, I would advise maguuma members in this thread in the future to not feed the trolls. They do not represent or speak for the conduct and maturity level of the SoS server, nor do they understand the community of Maguuma. Please report such posting to the moderators of these forums so that they may be hopefully deleted.
Thank you.
Fair enough, I was possibly a little over descriptive with my comments and reacted somewhat rashly to your bagging of my server (SoS). I think that many of you will understand that server pride plays a large part for any committed player. While I understand that you are currently matched against us (for the second week in a row) it did irk me somewhat to see that all of the examples that were toted out, were at the expense of sos.
Were this a private thread, I would never have been aware of it or reacted to it. What you do in your privacy is entirely up to you, but when you drag it out onto a public server and paint a one-sided picture of the true nature of another server, then I think you need to be accepting of any criticisms that result. Especially when you are extorting about how nice/friendly etc your own server is. It reminds me of a politician telling the public how clean / legitimate he/she is while doing backroom deals to slander their opposition.
So, yes, I got riled up and defended my server Such is life.
Now, one last comment in response to Rhyis.7058 suggestion that I had written a long post bagging Maguuma, I can only say that if you re-read the post you will notice that most of the original post was in fact praising the behaviour of the Maguuma players I have run across / interacted with, praising your servers tactical and strategic ability, and basically saying what I have said in the previous paragraphs in a slightly less diplomatic fashion. All of which elicited a response which avoided 90% of the original post. If this is your idea of a rebuttal, then I’m afraid you missed the point entirely.
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agreed, and while y’re closing frivolous things @Arforyon.1746 is just over there
hahah…as I said, dumb idea…but I like your style!
meh, you should still be able to kill 80’s even if they are geared. You will certainly be at a disadvantage tho.
In answer to your original question, the real answer is: learn when to engage and when not to. Learn when to run and when to stick it out.
Dying is part of WvW. Doesn’t matter how well geared you are (just gets more expensive anyway). Even us thieves struggle to get away sometimes and we’re probably THE most reviled class when it comes to annoying the hell out of people using hit and run tactics
Jumping off cliffs helps too (if you have the health), especially if you have a 1 to 2 second lead. Coz when you land and fall prone, it takes a second to get back up, so if anyone follows you, theres your chance to kick the kitten out of them while they are down.
Another tactic I like to use, is to run through nearby mobs, and hit them as you go past. Get a few of them following you. If you have any ‘drop aggro’ skills, this works even better, as you can kite a few behind you and drop aggro, so they aggro onto your pursuers. If you don’t have drop aggro skills, just keep running, they will drop aggro on you after a bit, and as they run back will aggro onto your pursuers.
So just a head’s up if you have 3 orb buffs a group of people and your level 80 and you killed by a solo player you really should uninstall gw2 just a heads up.
lol…tho, I’d be more inclined to suggest PvE
having said that, I got nailed last night by someone while I was in the middle of typing in guild chat (should have know better, but sometimes you need to respond straight away! ) and when I went to fight I ended up spamming guild chat with something like:
aaaaawwwwwwwww1dddddddddddd5ddddddddd111111
accompanied by a lot of swearing and cursing
I wouldn’t get too ahead of myself were I you tho, I’ve won 5v1 before. Sometimes its luck, sometimes its the enemies lack of skill and understanding, sometimes its ping/lag, sometimes they’re afk and sometimes its the rendering engine issues. All good fun, but ultimately, unless you are talking sPvP I wouldn’t be talking up my uberness.
You FA guys have been a right pain the the proverbial too! Its been fun playing against you guys, because you DO stay on later and maintain a presence for that much longer and as a result you guys are definitely benefiting
Its nice to see that instead of giving in to the night-capping, that you (as a server) are doing something about it.
SoS has gained a couple of new NA guilds too, and that’s certainly helped us out a lot in terms of not always losing everything in our night-time. We still don’t have the numbers we would like to have and with the long weekend in the state’s it has meant our low-pop times have been exaggerated, but them’s the breaks and what keeps it all interesting and dynamic.
GJ and keep it up FA Much as we hate you atm, we certainly have nothing to complain about and may (possibly) have some grudging respect for ya’s
I’ve already invited you to our server. We get night rolled very regularly but we’re pretty strong during our primetime and you’d have constant action with plenty of opportunity to improve your WvWing. We’ve got some great guilds, some great players and apart from a few cracks showing due to our days being wiped out at night, we have a great attitude across the server.
If you want to play with friends or your guild, bring them too! The more the merrier. We could probably even help your guild get all its influence back by joining and repping for part of our days.
It’s a great deal and with nightcapping being a minor issue as you’ve explained so well what’s stopping you?
Ah you see, we’ve already been working on getting our server sorted for our night-time-capping I’ mactively talking and organising with other guilds on the server and participating and encouraging more cohesion and cooperation as I can. Due to large number of peoples efforts we are getting more of a presence in our night times now, so things are starting to work out. I’d like to see that to an end (one way or another), but will definitely keep your offer in mind if that changes at all.
Which server are you on?