I guess I’ll join the fun.
Everyone here, I command you to join SOS. We are the “true kings of wvw.” SOR, your server has a lot of “bad players.” If you join us, we will teach you how to win #1 in wvw and be “good players.” JQ, we used to zerg you to death and now we cannot do that. If you join us, we will teach you the right way to zerg. We used to lead by 50k points by the end of the weekend through zerging and just go cruise control the rest of the week and still win the match by 20k. You guys can’t even get more than a 20k lead on the weekend. Your zerging sucks!!
Again, to any players out there. If you want to learn how to wvw, come to SOS, we will teach you how to play and be “true kings of wvw.” If you want to zerg, come to SOS, we will teach you how to zerg.
Don’t worry, you will not be called bandwagoners as long as you join one of our guilds like Votf, NeverDie, PTX, TRA, HLX, Tsym, Agg, DIE, and many more which all start off originally from SOS. With these native SOS guilds teaching you how to play, you will always be part of SOS and never be called a bandwagoner. We at SOS are proud of the fact that our native guilds earned us the #1 title in T1 and that we have not had help from any new guild transfers. We play to be in the “journey to become #1” and will never complain or make any excuses when we are not #1.
Wait, so the kings of wvw have pretty much up and quit once they started losing? Honestly before you start acting high and mighty remember two things. 1. This is just a game no reason to get all kitten because someone beat you after you pvdoored to t1 and then won for 9 straight weeks. 2. The way most of the SoS forum posters seem to represent them selves is not as a great community but as a community of whiners. Maybe if you would stop having a pity party people would want to come to SoS.
Oh btw. Didnt [EMP] beat [Tysm]?
er…I think you’ll find that OP was being sarcastic and is not from SoS.
besides which, SoS didn’t PvDoor to T1…maybe to T2 as coverage from most servers is complete crap until T2….and even then its never been great. Not having been in T2 for a while, I can no longer comment on the accuracy of the T2 coverage tho.
All that’s really happened, is that JQ managed to recruit some guilds and now have the numbers to be competitive across multiple timezones. As I don’t have the numbers to refer too with regards to which server has the highest WvW pop at any point in time I can only speculate that JQ is winning due to either (a) coverage, (b) a skill differential or © both.
If it was purely coverage, then you would expect that over the weekend, after reset, that things would be pretty much even (unless one server gets 2v1’d either intentionally or accidentally). After the weekend, you would expect that JQ would simply continue to pull ahead for the rest of the week (again, unless there is some serious 2v1 going on).
From what I’ve seen, SoR come out firing on the weekend and get a lot of enthusiastic WvWers playing all sorts of hours and are extremely competitive. As are SoS and possibly JQ. The scores never seem to get ridiculously unbalanced.
If any server had undeniably overall better players/commanders/guilds/tactics then we’d see them dominating more (or not, if they get 2v1’d
and they would continue to do so throughout the week.
As we don’t see any of that (remembering that 2v1’s occurr either by accident or design – it doesn’t really matter why – and that as a result we can’t be sure of any conclusion) then my opinion is that JQ has better coverage / consistency. JQ doesn’t race ahead and stay ahead every weekend, so from that I’d suggest that JQ strategy etc is not a significant influence. JQ usually pulls away over the week to an (almost) inexorable win.
I hope you guys at JQ are proud of your victory, too bad you have to exploit potions that cause culling to get it. At 4:30 pm est at SoS garrison the zerg was about half made of up players using the ascalonian mage ghost potion. And no one could figure out how their zerg could disappear in such a small area, well that’s how. I didn’t even see them until I was dead.
Again, congratulations on exploiting culling to win, that’s really impressive.
Dude, seriously? You say this as if there’s a way to master culling and use it to an advantage. The only way I know of getting enemies to show up is if you sit there a while or go right into the group. What your asking is for the whole group, (most likely not knowing you guys couldn’t see them) to stop moving so you can see them… Potions are in the game and as far as i’m aware they aren’t bugged, so how can you exploit them? Also, I’ve been part of a small group defending that’s been smashed by an invisible zerg because of culling. All I said was “well dang, at least Anet is working on that…” and respawned. So please, enjoy the game and have a nice day
What’s being talked about here isn’t culling per say but close enough to be lumped into the same category. Most thieves have it mastered and can stay stealthed near permanently. The same issue is being abused here. Portal bombs, mass invisibility/stealth, and any other skill that causes the sudden loading of textures will be slightly delayed. This is why a normal 3s stealth can last 5-10s. The more people you have doing it can impact the loading times. So just like culling the more people you have around(friend or foe) the worse the culling gets. By abusing that as a group with invisibility and the potions is what most would consider a dirty tactic, just like thieves abusing stealth.
Now for whoever saw it or had it happen to them. Report them and let ArenaNet figure out if it’s an exploit or not. I haven’t seen what this ghost tonic does but the fact that ArenaNet already removed the stealth spy kits and other such exploitable things, leads me to believe that an entire group/zerg using these things to gain an advantage might be an issue they should deal with.
if anything, a heap of the enemy using the same potion will REDUCE your culling due to model issues as they SHARE the same model, thus only requiring that model be sent to you ONCE – as opposed to each players normal model being sent to you. Thus, instead of 10 models, you would get 1…
stop whining about exploiting that exist only in your mind as a convenient excuse.
Gratz on the legendary Wild Bill!
Too bad it sounds like a bubble-gunAlso: Good vid, you showcase the abilities of the pistol dagger / venom build very well and you certainly make use of your arsenal very well.
10/10 imo.
lol…that gun sound would drive me mental too….I found it hard enough listening to it for the few minutes of watching the videos…good vids tho
maybe ANet will release transmuters for sound effects too??? that would be nice.
You talked about stealing from others IRL, yes, that is a good analogy. If that’s the case, just call me Robin Hood, and all of a sudden stealing is the best way to go, even if it breaks the letter of the law. I’m not concerned with ‘breaking the law’ in this case, because the badges I would’ve given to others would not have been ‘hard earned’, etc.
dude…really? You’re seriously trying to tell me that because someone chooses to play differently to you and plays the meta-game or the bigger-picture-game, that their time is somehow less important than yours? The people you are ‘cheating’/‘stealing’ from are putting in time to earn the badges they earn, just the same as you.
The difference is in how each of us decide to play the game. You choose the solo game – I’m not complaining about that, as its your choice. Other people play a team/squad/zerg/strategic game – again, not complaining, that is their choice.
You’ve decided that other peoples time is somehow less important than yours, because they run in groups/zergs etc, and that they don’t deserve to be rewarded for their play style. Its not an issue of them being better or worse than you. The issue is that you are deliberately cheating the system and trying to make it sound like a reasonable thing to do. You are deliberately wasting other players time and effort in the misguided belief that it is right / fair that you do so. Its not. You’ve made your bed, try sleeping in it. If you don’t like it, find something that you do like, but don’t blame/cheat everyone else out of their enjoyment because you don’t like something.
And if you want to talk about RL, how about you realize the biggest thieves out there aren’t the ones breaking the law, it’s the ones USING the law and ABUSING the system. For instance, have you seen salaries of CEOs of major corporations? Have you seen the insane benefits/free meals/etc politicians in DC get? Have you seen how ridiculous the pay is for certain (rather bad) hollywood staff/actors? If you want to talk about RL, please don’t leave out anything from the analogy.
I agree with you, that there are some injustices in the world. No system is perfect (as evidenced by just about any game), no one is trying to deny that. However, that doesn’t then make it ok for you to go out and do the same thing – does it? That’s why highlighted the extreme examples I did. It is ridiculous for example, for me to justify going out and killing someone because other people have done it.
Some CEO’s of major corporations get paid insane salaries etc. If I owned a major corporation and there was a CEO that could increase my profit margin by 1%, and that 1% translates to $20mil, I’d happily pay him a $10mil salary. Not all CEO’s do this and I would imagine that it would be up to the Directors etc of said CEO to determine a CEO’s worth. I can see that in some cases, those salaries would be completely justified from the company’s/market’s point of view. I’m not saying it is a nice thing that someone can be earning that sort of money, while entire families starve.
Have you seen the insane benefits/free meals/etc politicians in DC get? Luckiily – no I don’t live in the US, but I get your point. What do you do when the people who are supposed to work for us are the very ones taking advantage of the system? Plainly its not a good thing. Again, tho, I can see some justification for SOME of that. They don’t work a 9-5. They work a 24×7 a lot of the time. As a result, they do deserve some of that…some of the business they conduct requires some of that crap too. Does that justify me doing the same thing? Nope.
Have you seen how ridiculous the pay is for certain (rather bad) hollywood staff/actors? Yep….but then, they work for an industry that we all support (by watching said crap movies etc). There is a lot of money in the entertainment industry. Again, similarly to the CEO argument above, if there is an actor who will increase the sales of a movie to a point where you more than recoup the losses from paying them, then you’d be stupid (from a business point of view) not to use them.
I know this guy, like to go solo, but also like to use Alf+F4 when he went downed.
You beat me to it Nels.
And by the way, I’m not saying that you’re not a great player. I’ve enjoyed many of those fights between vale and briar/bay. But posting videos of your awesomeness while alt-f4ing at every opportunity is pretty lame.
lol…that would be too long to watch!
the ridiculous justifications he’s coming up with just make me laugh too:
“Look at how uber I am! Running around in a setting where teamwork is the driving motivational factor in builds, I’ll bring in my 1v1 optimised build and then show everyone how much better I am than them by claiming there is some kind of fairness involved. Knowing full well that I’m only going to fight 1v1 to 1v4 or 5, when the other guy(s) are optimised around 5+vs5+ in general.
Then, I will laugh at how easy it is (despite the aforementioned build advantage I have) to kill them and take badges!
But wait! To top it all off, what I’ll do, is I’ll cry about how unfair it is that a whole heap of them (who are playing in WvW together in a large group – perhaps intent on taking a keep/objective) turn up and roll over me – again, despite the fact that I’m choosing to play solo in a multiplayer environment!"
There are not excuses for Alt-F4ing. Well, thats not true. There’s only one valid excuse I can think of (or maybe 2):
1) The opposition if obviously exploiting
2) You QQ when things don’t go your way.
Given point 1 is rather uncommon, I’m assuming point 2.
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PRX carry SoS so hard. Good to see HoD back on top.
PRX was on EB duty this week. They did a great job but you can’t expect people to actually believe that PRX is carrying SoS. Sea of Sorrows is carrying Sea of Sorrows. Go back to Blackgate and work on your tactics.
Thank you.
It’s kids like this; that embody why I left Sea of Sorrows. Overzealous chest pounders; that take advantage of every waking second they can do it. If you understood anything about BG; you would realize our coverage killed us more than anything.
But you’d rather run your mouth on the forums.
Dude, learn what a semi-colon is actually used for. Reading that was actually painful for me. Also look up what a comma is while you are at it.
lol…Avatara the gramma police!
(oh no! illegal usage of a semicolon)
having said that…drives me mental too
Heh…first time I have seen anyone use semi-colons instead of commas. He did it for every place there should have been a comma as well.
You have to wonder who educated him…
Maybe he wasn’t sure if he should use fullstops(periods) or comma’s, so he used both?
PRX carry SoS so hard. Good to see HoD back on top.
PRX was on EB duty this week. They did a great job but you can’t expect people to actually believe that PRX is carrying SoS. Sea of Sorrows is carrying Sea of Sorrows. Go back to Blackgate and work on your tactics.
Thank you.
It’s kids like this; that embody why I left Sea of Sorrows. Overzealous chest pounders; that take advantage of every waking second they can do it. If you understood anything about BG; you would realize our coverage killed us more than anything.
But you’d rather run your mouth on the forums.
Dude, learn what a semi-colon is actually used for. Reading that was actually painful for me. Also look up what a comma is while you are at it.
lol…Avatara the gramma police! (oh no! illegal usage of a semicolon)
having said that…drives me mental too
Tho, if Bunzy is the ‘best’ player in the game, then I would expect that they would be in tier 1 – having been headhunted, or we’d all know of them due to their Pvp awesomeness/following. Perhaps they mean they are the best PvPer in the game. They are certainly not the best WvW’er in the game otherwise they wouldn’t be posting the tripe no one believes a word of.
I can’t stop laughing at “headhunting” in WvW. Do you also put your server’s name and Glicko rating in your resume?
hahaha…now that would be funny
will be interesting to see if ANet gets some kitten stats etc into WvW….that’d be cool – then we could look people up and rating-check them when they post
“Tiers”
No one cares about tiers except for CD who use their past rank as justification that they aren’t really bad at pvp. Most of Maguuma wants to go down in rank, and Ehmry Bay are too busy writing 4 page essays about military organization in their server forums to log in.
LoL, no one cared whos better until the Mags whined about how they’re better individually than us CD, despite the scores, and we just kept quiet about it until now.
Mag and Ebay are more skilled then CD on average. I haven’t met one person from CD who has given me any sort of challenge, however I have met quite a few from Ebay. This is why when CD go up a tier they get crushed because a server will equal numbers will just destroy them because they are used to having a numbers advantage to win and lack any other tactics.
This is a fine sample on what I’m taking about. So, do you feel good now that you think you are better? I sincerely hope you do
Not think I know i am
hahah…Bunzy butt hurt and blaming everything on lack of numbers? This happens in almost every match where Maguuma are losing…er…I mean…every match Bunzy plays in. Apparently being the best player in the game still doesn’t make up for no one wanting to play with them.
Tho, if Bunzy is the ‘best’ player in the game, then I would expect that they would be in tier 1 – having been headhunted, or we’d all know of them due to their Pvp awesomeness/following. Perhaps they mean they are the best PvPer in the game. They are certainly not the best WvW’er in the game otherwise they wouldn’t be posting the tripe no one believes a word of.
There are a lot of good players on Maguuma. Unfortunately, they are misrepresented by idiots who post unfounded and ridiculous assertions on the forums.
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wow…a lot more QQing this week!
I didn’t think SoS was going to pull this one out of the hat. The weekend was a pretty even contest for the most part, tho SBI certainly pulled ahead towards the end of it and continued to do so through the first 2 days of the week (from an Oceanic TZ perspective), but then they just seemed to disappear from that point on. That was around the time that PRX returned in force (I saw a lot of them in FoTM and other PvE areas – a rare sight indeed! – made me laugh as there were a lot of them lfm FotM 1! – obviously having abstained from FotM last week).
On Tuesday night (Oceanic Time) SoS pulled back the differential back from 15/18k to about 13k – by the time I got up in the morning, we were only 6k behind. We all know how things have gone since then. Everytime WM came on the JQ BL map, PRX jumped on them asap, to the point that they would come on for a bit and then go to other maps. That was obviously a deliberate tactic on their part.
SoS has used the fact that there are 2 opposition teams to our advantage. Deliberately not hitting JQ when SBI was on the map – well, not going hard on JQ anyway We certainly made it sure it was easier for JQ to hit SBI than to hit us. Thats just plain tactics. Why would we encourage fights with JQ AND SBI at the same time?
QQing because you are being double-teamed in a 3-way match just makes me laugh. If you are not skilled/intelligent enough to understand that pitting 1 of the other teams against the other is plain common sense, then you need to take a step back an think about what WvWvW is all about. Are you playing for fun? or to win? or to fight a ‘fair’ fight?
At the moment, there are only 2 measures in WvWvW. The SCORE and the RESPECT given to your server by the WvW community. The score is easy to understand and most visible and so is easier to strategise for. Respect is less visible, but still easy enough to measure and influence – QQing on the forums does nothing but lose respect for your server. JQ seem to understand this very well, they bore the brunt of being called JQQ for a long time and dont seem to let it affect them anymore. GJ.
TL;DR: SoS is winning because we are playing the game more/better. Look at the game and figure out how to play it instead of trying to make it fit your views of how it should work (i.e. play the game, not your perception of the game).
If you weren’t present during the golem heist, you have no basis to call any accusation baseless. Please don’t continue to comment on any situation in which you have no part of. Continue to focus on situations that involve you. It’s also unwise to accuse any other server without substantial proof. Perhaps that player was also “learning how to build and control siege”. Similar speculations could be made from the incident. Accusing Jade Quarry or SOS of treason without any proof is a huge claim for someone to make and should never be done, especially when trying to take the high road.
Agreed. Thats why I can definitively blame SBI for being the reason SoS isn’t winning. 10k ahead!!
stop it already. You keep this up, and I’ll have to start accusing you of double teaming and blame it on some other vague/random issue
We appriciate your hard effort working for sbi and catching spies from whatever server they were from. But as we all know, since you are a commander, you should’ve contact us even b4 you post those kind of thing on serverwise forum.
I know you are one of the ‘good’ commander i’d like to play wvw with. But just one thing disappoints me that you took a action even b4 notifying us and maybe damage DD’s reputation.
that’s all
thx
er…I assume that was directed at the OP (of the golem speculation thread) – as opposed to my own innocent-of-anything self? I’m just jumping in and sidetracking said thread as its just wasting everyone’s time, and instead wasting everyone’s time with my waffle
If you weren’t present during the golem heist, you have no basis to call any accusation baseless. Please don’t continue to comment on any situation in which you have no part of. Continue to focus on situations that involve you. It’s also unwise to accuse any other server without substantial proof. Perhaps that player was also “learning how to build and control siege”. Similar speculations could be made from the incident. Accusing Jade Quarry or SOS of treason without any proof is a huge claim for someone to make and should never be done, especially when trying to take the high road.
Agreed. Thats why I can definitively blame SBI for being the reason SoS isn’t winning. 10k ahead!! stop it already. You keep this up, and I’ll have to start accusing you of double teaming and blame it on some other vague/random issue
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It’s been a hellish fight for EB this week. Yesterday proved no different, except for the highlight of getting to hunt down the ArenaNet player on SBI, with his nice shiny and very visible ANet logo
Every time I got him down 8 or 9 SBI players were there to revive him before I could get the stomp off on him. Cost me 10 odd silver (in repair bills) just to get him down those two time – sneaky bugger was often lurking at the back of your zerg outside SM, tempting us with his logo
Can I get a score update please I am at work lol phone ftw
I hear ya!…bloody slack buggers that can play when I’m at work…have some consideration and wait till I’m back on!
Ya think they’d take a 30 second break to update the scores. Hopeless. 3 more hours to go for me!
What they are doing is anti-zerg play. A small coordinated group can take out undefended objectives on different borderlands much faster than you can move a large group of pubbies around to defend them. I assume it’s working if you are upset by it, which means it is a good strategy. If it isn’t working, then who cares.
If you are on a server with lower night time population against one with a large night time group, this happens a lot. You cant face them head on when they have 4-5x your numbers, but you can take things here and there and make them split up, or get frustrated, or at the very least, farm some money and karma, and get a few points in the process.
Don’t complain that they aren’t so stupid as to just face plant into your zerg and siege equipment.
ah, I see I was too vague I completely agree with the necessity of anti-zerg tactics. I was simply pointing out what I saw as a misrepresentation of facts. In the context of the discussion however, I see no issue with the tactic.
We adopted this strategy because of having to play against Sea of Sorrows for 3 weeks.
Everytime we attempted to fight them, they would wipe us with vastly superior numbers. So now we just run from fights and recap once you’re gone.
hmmm…I think you do your server a disservice….I remember many a fight with SoR zergs of which we won some and lost some. Most hard points were defended with siege and dedication. There were times when people ran away (not too many, as running usually results in being sniped by fast moving thieves, ele’s etc and I think most players are smart enough to not make that mistake more than a couple of times) and we were left with an empty object to take. But for the most part, that was not the case.
SoR gave SoS a good run for their money. Tho, based on what you are saying, I should really say ‘The REST of SoR’ gave us a good run for our money
All servers were affected by the ‘one time’ event. SoS, EBI and JQ too I’m sure all have WvWers who took a break to do it. Maybe some servers had more people doing that, maybe they didn’t. People are allowed to take breaks and go PvE.
From a holistic point of view, I wouldn’t expect that it wouldn’t more severely impact one sever over another. I’m not saying it didn’t, but with no tangible evidence to back up either view, its a moot point. Players from all servers have used the same excuse.
The only true gauge will be this weeks and the following weeks results. It seems likely at this stage that SoS will go on to win this round. QQers will make all sorts of excuses as to why this is, but really – its irrelevant. A win is a win.
Lets let everyone’s performance on the field speak for themselves over the coming matches and just get on and enjoy more of the tough fighting that has been going on instead! Its great have 2 opponents who are of similar strength and ability and who are more than happy to kick our teeth down our throats when the opportunity arises!
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Play 10 times harder than them and hope they make a mistake.. and you don’t
They will be fixed eventually (has to happen), we just don’t know when.
Once it is fixed all the roflcopter fotm noobs will move on to some other class
Smashing your keys harder and screaming in vent doesn’t mean you play harder. Go play TPvP maybe you’ll learn a thing or two.
Nah, I am completely right. To beat anyone you have to play better than them. Thieves have a severe advantage over nearly all of the classes, requiring that much more skill from an opponent to be defeated. But then again, I see a Thief in your sig so I see you are nervous about your ezmode going away. You might want to grab a box of tissues.
edit: an update! Rolled a brand new thief, went straight to sPvP and proceeded to own the other team in my first match! 6 kills no deaths. dual daggers..preset build. I doubt the entire team I was fighting was so bad that this was possible. Definitely can’t say I’m any good with a Thief either, its just pure imbalance at its finest. Ah well, back to a real class.
lol…if you’re gonna claim you did this, you should be aware that the authenticity of you claim will be questioned. i.e. where’s the video?
The fact is, that people panic when the thief goes into stealth. They overreact and think the thief can be anywhere, when in fact they mostly cant (I say mostly as they could switch to shortbow and infiltrators strike or use a shadow step – which only takes them up to you anyway). Condition build thieves tend to be ranged – in which case you are not needing to worry about backstabs, so, the thief has hidden to avoid damage and/or to buy time on their cooldowns.
Use your heals early as its going to be a long fight without lost of thief bust damage. So it will probably come off cooldown before you are too low on health. AOE what you can and tab-target to mitigate the culling issue as much as possible.
Most of all tho – don’t panic. You get stunned, break it if you can otherwise just watch your heath bar. Sure, its going down, but is it dropping at a crazy rate? Probably not. Lock/Stun/Immobilize the thief if you can – they can still get into stealth, but that doesn’t let them move. I had a thief do this yesterday just after I’d immobilized him, so I dropped as much AOE on the spot he stealthed from. 15 seconds later he dropped back out of stealth, downed and almost dead
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/gw010tx.jpg/
Let’s all stop complaining about invulnerable spots now lol
hahahah…good call
surely ANet has stats that tell them when the lowest active population is and can use that to make better decisions about when to schedule updates? Perhaps they already do
There is always going to be someone inconvenienced by any outage. I don’t really care if its me…as long as its not 30minutes after wvw reset at wvw peak times!!!!
