Guild Wars 2

The timeline comes from the guild wars books, right? If so, I would think that it is likely that there was a plot reason for it. Otherwise anet went through a bit of trouble to get it mentioned in the book for something that is a simple “world remodeling”.

Dredlord.8076:

Bhawb.7408:

If kiting is stopping your skill chain, that’s your fault, you should be able to kite well enough that you are still getting your attacks out (otherwise you are just running away).

We don’t dodge that often, lets be honest here, we’re necros. You should be able to have near permanent poison on your target all the time if you are using scepter, if you don’t, its not up to the game to buff our already permanent poison durations.

lets error on the side of “Attritiony” and give scepter AA3 poison .5-1 second more duration.

Easy solution: use traits or runes to increase poison duration

Archer.1658:

patricide.1062:

Archer.1658:

Hey there, buddy! Well, I never messaged you because my guys don’t want to find time to do it. To quote one of them, “You want us to take time out of our day to fight some forum troll? No thanks, I have better things to do.”

I know, I know. You’re gonna say something like “you n00bs are just skeered kitten!”
Whatever. You keep saying how you just annihilate all YB ‘cause we are just SO bad. I haven’t seen any videos nor do I know your guild tag so I can see who it is that is talking so much trash. At any rate, next time we have a reset night against EBay I’ll message you personally and let you know where we are going. Bring FRAPS and capture yourself stomping us into the mud over and over.

Now, can we please ignore the forum troll? He brings a lot of hate into an otherwise amicable matchup.

So pretty much the same response as last time “uh..we can’t do anything but zerg with 40 people”. Dodging the infamous 5v5/10v10. Let me know the time and place when you are ready to accept the challenge. Also, you better start training your guildies because from this point on, I will be humiliating them to the fullest extent until you meet the challenge commander. I implore you to stop posting, you make your guild look foolish with your cowardliness every time.

I still don’t see what your guild tag is?

WAIT YOU ARE RIGHT I ARE SO SCARED. Look, dude, we run organized teams designed to A) prevail in the open field, and take and/or hold objectives. 10v10 matches are a waste of my time because that is not what happens naturally through the course of our WvW nights. Our smallest team is a 10 man team that is designed to and practices holding objectives. Yeah, fight my 10 man team who use bunker specs and are well rehearsed with siege usage and placement in the open field. You will slaughter them because that’s not what they are there for.

I have stomped many WM groups, many GODS groups, many FTF groups, etc. Is that indicative of the entire guild? Why no, it’s not. You have my account name. Come find me and stomp me into the mud! I’m kind of done with this conversation, as obvious troll is obviously suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Take care, now.

Nvm~ This was way too much.

Haha, you guys are just playing two different games, and (from what it seems) are both winning in your respective game. Yet, instead of being happy about winning in your particular version of WvW yall chose to kitten on the forum

The only way to discourage zergs is by making the scoring system which penalizes zergs. For example, make the score ticks proportional to the relative population between the 3 servers in the wvw.

Making aoe more powerful will not fix anything… the way things are now, it will be a game of which zerg can using culling better and nuke the other zerg with aoe.

great “You should pay gems to improve my WvW experience” speech I approve.

Maladon.5760:

Ikarushka.9564:

Oozo.7856:

Solution: Scale the points by the relative populations that are on at the moment.

To keep people from abusing that by logging out right before a point calculation you keep the point calculation timer hidden to the players and add an element of randomness to when it is totalled.

How about a twist? Scale the points based on the amount of people in WvW on the other servers. This way points collected by bigger numbers with little opposition at prime time will not count very much.

That’s what he means by “relative”

Relative could mean relative overall populations between the three servers.

I see your point though, and like the idea

Oozo.7856:

Solution: Scale the points by the relative populations that are on at the moment.

To keep people from abusing that by logging out right before a point calculation you keep the point calculation timer hidden to the players and add an element of randomness to when it is totalled.

How about a twist? Scale the points based on the amount of people in WvW on the other servers. This way points collected by bigger numbers with little opposition at prime time will not count very much.

Ninein.4782:

Mag is a zerg server until we meet a bigger zerg server.

That is true of every server Except the server with most people i suppose

The great thing about this game not having a sub – you are free to walk away for a while and do something else with your time until the changes you hope to see will get implemented. It will be a while due to the same lack of the sub. There is absolutely no reason to be upset.

That would encourage spawn camping

Monsoon.2589:

Weren t the orbs removed because of the hacks?

They were, but the orb bonus was worth while strategically. While out-manned bonus is worth while individually and makes no difference from the server perspective. Swapping the two would be perfect in the way that an underdog would get a hand, while even if the orb is hacked it does not affect the actual fight (from the server perspective)

Your pve gear is your WvW gear. As a new toon, you will be updated to 80. However your gear will not be, ie you will be stuck with your 1-2 stat gear against people with final gear and runes. Will that ruin your wvw experience? – Probably not. Will your gear be on par with that of people around you? – Maybe not.

It has been proposed months ago that instead of removing orbs, they should have switched the orb and out-manned bonuses.

Azure Prower.8701:

What causes this?

on catas, if you start rotating it and get knocked out while rotating – the cata will keep going.

Rawnoodles.1398:

IDarko.4709:

Nice try to advertise your guild.

Seriously, this is a pointless thread that does not belong in this subforum. And if you are so interested in nice looking guild websites, why are only WvW guilds allowed to post?

Edited! Im sure like our guild, there are many fantastic web designers putting in hard hours promoting their guilds! Just a nice way to give notice to those distinguishable.

I think his complaint was not with the post, but rather with the fact that it has been posted in the WvW section. Since the thread has been moved, I don’t think he has any problems with your post

Does it mean that the threshold for the xp, threshold for loot, and threshold for sigils are different?

I guess it would depend on how quickly they can ban gold sellers. And whether having unrestricted access to spam chat will be worth the 100gold price tag for the gold sellers.

Sunspots.9861:

You guys are funny. You think you are skilled even though you have no idea there is a zerg around the corner getting ready to flank, cull and kill you. Part of the skill of wvw is knowing where the other guy is before he knows where you are.

This! A thousand times this!

WvW is a tactical game. It is not about duels; it is not about fair fights; in fact, it’s rarely about individual skill (other than commanders);

It is about taking and holding territory; it is about not allowing the enemy to take and/or hold territory; it is about doing it with minimum resources committed in a particular spot.

What frustrates me is most of the things that are OP in WvW are generally incredibly simple. Most broken builds do not require anything past pushing 2-3 buttons. From that perspective, the consumables are not that unique in the way the break the game.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Edge of Destiny does a kitten poor job of portraying a lot of things – no offense to the writer (I blame all the restrictions such a story had and Anet’s choice of pulling someone from outside Anet and not working with him as close as they did for GoA).

As Lutinz said, Ree said that the love between them is real.

Furthermore, when you play a human during the level 28 storyline – where you face Kellach with the order of your choice – you can talk to Jennah after the battle and she goes on about how she wants a partner and not another servant (in response to the PC saying she could just order Logan to stay since she doesn’t want him to leave).

(Edit: As I see Lutinz also said).

While that is true, she still does mind-kitten him.

RiceRepublic.9271:

Lorelei.3918:

Honestly other then a select few guilds (Oos on Yaks, Kiwi on SBI) everyone has been very respectful and fair playing. There’s always going to be a few rotten apples in the dozen. You just have to know how to take them out

What is “respectful and fair playing?” I don’t understand what you are saying in terms of fair and respectful. If you are talking about we beating 60 Yaks with 20 Kiwi guild members.. that is not being unfair. It’s called teamwork and able to use our characters. Or you may be talking about hitting you guys when Yaks are hitting you guys… That is also not being unfair.. It’s called strategies. We have caught some Yaks trying to hack into keep via wall.. That may be cheating and being unfair. But we have never done anything unfair and not respectful. I really want you to apologize to us Kiwi and take you words back.

There is so much flame bait in your post. Perhaps you guys should discuss it over a PM with a poster you replied to.

Subtle.4596:

Ikarushka.9564:

Subtle.4596:

Ireniicus.2167:

CD ticking at 640, SBI 30, YB 25. YB have a lead just shy of 43k

What a joke – We tear CD and SBI apart all weekend and lose 10to15k/night on the weekdays.

A wise man once said:

Subtle.4596:

Spawn camping sucks, but so does getting night capped. Yaks gets the points now – only to lose the ‘lead’ during the week. We deal with ur night caps – you can deal with our point gain.

Yep and that’s what happens.
People like ME drop 36+ hours on the weekend to get a massive point lead because WE HAVE TO. Where as – CD can log in at 2am my time – get a 600+ point lead with little opposition during the week to come back for the win.

ALSO – those who take the map at 2 am, can log off at 6am and leave 60-70 people across all map to maintain score lead against the smaller Asian population SBI and YB. Where as both YB and SBI needs to stay logged in USPrimetimes to keep the points up.

Its annoying is all.

Well, a couple of things:

1) If it is not fun – don’t drop 36+ hours on it.
2) During the US evening time you guys out-man CD heavily. So if you were not to show up – Yaks probably would still have most of the map; unless you are essential to the numbers and without you many people would log off (in which case I am wrong and apologize).
3) Many on CD play during the US evening and are also hit by the wall of Yak’s numbers, where many times all we can do is delay the push. Our group of 5 has been throwing ourselves at your superior siege Saturday night when Yak’s was sieging our keep in EB. We did not achieve anything other than slowing you down and wasting some of your superior siege – but if it was not fun we wouldn’t be doing it.

You have numbers in the evening, we have numbers during the night, SBI is well… I am sorry SBI. Nobody seems to deny that it is what it is.

Subtle.4596:

Ireniicus.2167:

CD ticking at 640, SBI 30, YB 25. YB have a lead just shy of 43k

What a joke – We tear CD and SBI apart all weekend and lose 10to15k/night on the weekdays.

A wise man once said:

Subtle.4596:

Spawn camping sucks, but so does getting night capped. Yaks gets the points now – only to lose the ‘lead’ during the week. We deal with ur night caps – you can deal with our point gain.

santi.7516:

CD Abused of us while we slept, now we’ll abuse of you!.

Nice fights btw.

santi.7516:

Meanwhile, CD’s Night Crew takes everything just by killing Veteran Guards, Veteran Scouts, Veteran Zealots, and who knows what other kind of npc’s, did i mention Veteran Guards and Scouts?, such an amazing display of PvE skills.

Happy Chinese New Year!

Pot please meet the kettle. You guys should probably talk.

Why are the people who are the first to celebrate out-manning zerg victories are the first ones to complain about the out-manning zerg defeats?

santi.7516:

CD Abused of us while we slept, now we’ll abuse of you!.

Nice fights btw.

Congrats Now all you have to do is maintain this kind of pressure past the weekend and play more in the oceanic time zone (granted it will be easier this week due to the new year) – and you might just win this, for what ever that is worth

I guess you are saying that your server’s score does not reflect the quality of the WvW population. IE you do have the people and knowledge to move you up the tiers, but you are so far down the hole that people on your server do not care to try?

I guess it is a fair argument, though you need to understand that the other side of the story (and what many people post here) is the fact that if that is enough to bring you down and make people not join wvw you probably will not enjoy the higher tiers (and their population) because they will likely spawn camp you, which will cause your population to stop going to wvw once again.

Baladir.2736:

I am not sure I understood a single thing you said.

So, the 24 NA servers would be divided into 3 alliances. There would be 24 maps, one for each server. And then what?

24 Servers will be divided into 3 alliances.

Instead of having EB and 3 maps for each set of 3 servers having an independent competition and independent score there will be EB and 24 maps with one common score. There will be 8 servers on each side fighting together against 2 sets of 8 other servers.

I guess the main idea is the fact that different servers are having (effectively) opposite problems. If you were to combine them into an alliance those problems will get addressed. The only thing that would be given up is the individual server bragging rights, though i am sure people will figure out a way to do that eventually.

There are a few major issues in the WvW mechanics the way I see it:

1) Population issue: Some servers are heavily under populated (wvw-wise). People do not really play wvw there, they do not have queues or anything that comes with large numbers (ie more small scale pvp, less zergs, etc). Those servers are much less competitive. Some servers are heavily over populated (wvw-wise). Long queues, population caps per map, zergs. These servers tend to be much more competitive.

2) Coverage Issue: This is somewhat tied to the population issue, but basically the idea is in higher tiers time zone coverage becomes a huge deal. Effectively, the scoring turns into how well a server A can slow down another server B during B’s prime time, so A can push during A’s prime time. Higher level tiers seem to have great coverage. Mid level tiers are determined by the coverage almost exclusively.

3) Stagnation of match-ups: At this point, even if(when) things settle and match-ups become more fair there is going to be only one fair match-up for any servers in the higher tiers. This will get boring very quickly. Nobody will learn anything from the new tactics (as there will be relative few of those)

4) Exploiting: While that is not strictly true, people are less likely to report exploiting done on their own side. So the other side has to catch people int he act which is often hard.

I am sure you can add many more issues based on your specific experience and tier. But at least to me it seems that most of those issues should resolve themselves on a large enough scale. While the scale servers are currently at is not sufficient.

Here is a thought: why not combine servers into 3 alliances based on the tiers (or which ever other way) and have a fight between 3 alliances instead of 3 servers. There will be n/3 servers on each side fighting together against 2 sets of n/3 other servers (if n is the total number of servers). Each server would have its own borderlands, which means that even though each map will have its own cap people from the more populated servers will be able to get into one of the maps (thus mitigation the issue of population caps). Instead of playing with the same people against the same people, there will be much more variety of people to play with and against. It will allow people from less populated servers get some valuable experience and increase the overall competition level. Coverage will become less of an issue, and instead of capping the entire map during the other server’s off time there will be an actual 24h fight going on. Finally, I think people will be more likely to report someone exploiting when it happens to their side but is done by the other server.

Any thoughts?

Cazio.2137:

Ikarushka.9564:

Cazio.2137:

Sovereign.1093:

Ikarushka.9564:

Baladir.2736:

Nialls.2851

I’m with Rezzet on this. I’m getting tired of losing to coverage, and having a 10k+pt lead to wake up with us losing. I’ve just about come to the conclusion that I’d rather sit in queue’s for 1-2hrs, and lose to better players, than lose because of server population.

imo, it’s not losing.

I was going to come in this morning and post how nice it was for me to read a thread in the forums that talked about how much fun everyone was having with a minimal emphasis on the score. The fact is, the scoring system is arbitrary and heavily weighted to NA servers that have the best overseas coverage. It doesn’t have a kitten thing to do with anything else. Doesn’t indicate in any way the quality of the players or the commanders. The high Tier teams have the best overseas coverage and therefore attract quene stalking NA prime time players who want to “win”. So, yes, if someone wants two hour quenes, zergy play, and a high score, that’s the place to be.

The new scoring methods hinted at in the summary of upcoming March changes will be interesting to see. How anything could compensate for an offshore imbalance is beyond me. Or, any imbalance in numerical strength in the field that follows a greater WvW population on a server for that matter.

So, anyway, my original post. I am so happy to see the fun that players have been having this week. It’s a win for all of us on SBI. This kind of play is a 1000 times more challenging and satisfying to play than what we had been subjected to for many months. Two thumbs up for the “pay to transfer” model that brought about this abrupt change.

My condolences to those who were caught unawares and left behind. Truly.

Pretty much this. Scoring system is arbitrary at best and broken at worst. Also there is no real reason to win, other than bragging right and satisfying egos. It seems that this week we got a group of servers where (after all the transfers out) the ego may not matter as much. That is refreshing.

Sure we are “winning” on CD, but honestly I had way more fun last night holding a supply camp (in one of the enemy borderlands) with 3 guildies and 2 people who joined us in the process for a couple of hours. Not many points, but lots of fun.

This. scores don’t really matter. Though they increase the tier status of a server, it’s the end goal of having experienced something with friends.

Okay, lets remove all rewards from PvE then. After all what matters is just hanging out with friends right?

That would be just fine by me.

It would not be fine by the vast majority of players who want to play an MMO rather than a FPS game.

I wrote a long reply arguing that those bonuses are already factored into the game stats, if the bonuses would be removed it would not act as subtracting those numbers but rather equalizing the numbers for every server in the match up. Then I argued that in an equilibrium state, for which this system is likely designed, the difference would be marginal.

But you know those details really do not matter. gw2 does not have much of a progression – achievements and different skins is what you are working for in end game… which is pretty much what FPS games do. So how are those bonuses making it an MMO and not an FPS?

Cazio.2137:

Sovereign.1093:

Ikarushka.9564:

Baladir.2736:

Nialls.2851

I’m with Rezzet on this. I’m getting tired of losing to coverage, and having a 10k+pt lead to wake up with us losing. I’ve just about come to the conclusion that I’d rather sit in queue’s for 1-2hrs, and lose to better players, than lose because of server population.

imo, it’s not losing.

I was going to come in this morning and post how nice it was for me to read a thread in the forums that talked about how much fun everyone was having with a minimal emphasis on the score. The fact is, the scoring system is arbitrary and heavily weighted to NA servers that have the best overseas coverage. It doesn’t have a kitten thing to do with anything else. Doesn’t indicate in any way the quality of the players or the commanders. The high Tier teams have the best overseas coverage and therefore attract quene stalking NA prime time players who want to “win”. So, yes, if someone wants two hour quenes, zergy play, and a high score, that’s the place to be.

The new scoring methods hinted at in the summary of upcoming March changes will be interesting to see. How anything could compensate for an offshore imbalance is beyond me. Or, any imbalance in numerical strength in the field that follows a greater WvW population on a server for that matter.

So, anyway, my original post. I am so happy to see the fun that players have been having this week. It’s a win for all of us on SBI. This kind of play is a 1000 times more challenging and satisfying to play than what we had been subjected to for many months. Two thumbs up for the “pay to transfer” model that brought about this abrupt change.

My condolences to those who were caught unawares and left behind. Truly.

Pretty much this. Scoring system is arbitrary at best and broken at worst. Also there is no real reason to win, other than bragging right and satisfying egos. It seems that this week we got a group of servers where (after all the transfers out) the ego may not matter as much. That is refreshing.

Sure we are “winning” on CD, but honestly I had way more fun last night holding a supply camp (in one of the enemy borderlands) with 3 guildies and 2 people who joined us in the process for a couple of hours. Not many points, but lots of fun.

This. scores don’t really matter. Though they increase the tier status of a server, it’s the end goal of having experienced something with friends.

Okay, lets remove all rewards from PvE then. After all what matters is just hanging out with friends right?

That would be just fine by me.

Baladir.2736:

Nialls.2851

I’m with Rezzet on this. I’m getting tired of losing to coverage, and having a 10k+pt lead to wake up with us losing. I’ve just about come to the conclusion that I’d rather sit in queue’s for 1-2hrs, and lose to better players, than lose because of server population.

imo, it’s not losing.

I was going to come in this morning and post how nice it was for me to read a thread in the forums that talked about how much fun everyone was having with a minimal emphasis on the score. The fact is, the scoring system is arbitrary and heavily weighted to NA servers that have the best overseas coverage. It doesn’t have a kitten thing to do with anything else. Doesn’t indicate in any way the quality of the players or the commanders. The high Tier teams have the best overseas coverage and therefore attract quene stalking NA prime time players who want to “win”. So, yes, if someone wants two hour quenes, zergy play, and a high score, that’s the place to be.

The new scoring methods hinted at in the summary of upcoming March changes will be interesting to see. How anything could compensate for an offshore imbalance is beyond me. Or, any imbalance in numerical strength in the field that follows a greater WvW population on a server for that matter.

So, anyway, my original post. I am so happy to see the fun that players have been having this week. It’s a win for all of us on SBI. This kind of play is a 1000 times more challenging and satisfying to play than what we had been subjected to for many months. Two thumbs up for the “pay to transfer” model that brought about this abrupt change.

My condolences to those who were caught unawares and left behind. Truly.

Pretty much this. Scoring system is arbitrary at best and broken at worst. Also there is no real reason to win, other than bragging right and satisfying egos. It seems that this week we got a group of servers where (after all the transfers out) the ego may not matter as much. That is refreshing.

Sure we are “winning” on CD, but honestly I had way more fun last night holding a supply camp (in one of the enemy borderlands) with 3 guildies and 2 people who joined us in the process for a couple of hours. Not many points, but lots of fun.

CrassBippy.4619:

ya CD pretty much whipes the board while YB mostly sleeps. Not complainin but it’s a kick in the pants

Yap, when two servers that have different prime times fight it boils down to how much coverage they have to slow the other server down at their prime time. It seems that CD’s NA crew has a better time slowing down YB than the YB oceanic crew has slowing down the CD’s prime time crew.

That is an unfortunate reality of WvW right now, especially for people who chose not to move to super servers before the free transfers were done. I really wish they would use WvW participation at different times to match servers up instead of the point system they have/are introducing next week

Perhaps I don’t get wvw, but landslide wins and losses are boring (I guess you can level an alt in a win if the other side tries but that’s about it)- and yes, I barely played in wvw the week CD rolled FA/IoJ. Tiers are meaningless (at least for now) and really represent only the coverage/population size (I am uncertain of the equation but it’s a mix of the two somehow). So I don’t get the whole push to make super wvw servers… the way it currently stands bigger pop means queues and zergs. Lower pop servers may mean a couple of weeks of slow wvw to toggle down to the right tier, but once the free transfers are done that should settle quickly.

I wounder if the new FA can talk CD and DB into merging

Forum wvw – best wvw. In fact, it is so good that forum warriors even manage to take credit for the in game wvw events!

It’s a neat idea, but you will need to work on your business model. What would someone be paying for (Completing specific objectives or simply for yall to move to the destination server and try)?

If you are not well known, I doubt anyone would really pay for your transfers. So you will have to come up with a specific pricing model for the specific achievements that can be verified.