Guild Wars 2

I have an 80 thief and ranger, and I am baffled as to how people think they aren’t very good.

Obviously both are starter classes in terms of how easy they are to play. So that might affect the results somewhat, since the people playing those classes are probably not the most skilled players to begin with and might find content difficult.

I actually 3 man dungeons with 2 other guildies, and in those situations I’m pretty much forced to use my ranger since it outperforms my guard/engi.

Interesting survey. I was forced into answering thief for almost everything even though In my opinion it is the class that needs the most nerfs.

Wonder what class OP plays. Well played with that carefully worded survey btw.

Pet leash range increased to 2000 units.

I am finding that I have to get much closer to a hostile before I can order the pet to attack it. Working as intended or have I misunderstood the meaning of the term leash?

The pets also dont seem to chase for any longer than they did before, before returning automatically. So either way it doesn’t seem to be working.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Wild Bulbasaur.1938:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

If we’re not coming first
Might as well make DH come last, GOOOO NORTHERN ISLE OF JANTHPEAKS?

Was all happy go lucky till we got jumped from behind,

We only wanted looksies >:O

You really give your server an awful name. First you try to objectively say NSP is worse then you guys, and now you are trying to team up with them to get second place? like everybody in the forums was kittening to NSP about last week?…

…Take a joke? :\

Already said multiple times ive underestimated NSP! You guys are clearly a great server, doesnt need to be said all the time!?

I’m pretty sure that guy you quoted is from Darkhaven.

MrFluffy.9307:

Noroz.9527:

torridstoic.7492:

Noroz.9527:

Yeah… about that… If WvW came down to pure skill, IoJ would be in tier 9 EU while NSP would be top 3. Every big server we’ve been up against, we keep wiping you. Over and over again. With fewer numbers.

Yet. You try again.
And again.
And again.

Yeah, eventually you might get our keep or tower, but how does it feel, being 50 taking it from 10 people defending it? (If you’re even able to cap).

If we have close to equal numbers, you guys can’t do jack.

I don’t recall ever being particularly impressed by any players or groups with an [AS] tag. I guess I must have never seen you, because you guys sure sound impressive.

Im not just talking about AS. But yes, we are good. If you haven’t seen us, you just haven’t seen us when we are running structured. We tend to run outside the massive blobs.

But we really don’t care if people notice us or not. Makes it easier for us to get stuff done

NSP by far has the worst roamers I have EVER seen, atleast completely inferior in every aspect to the average IoJ roamer.

Ya, you guys have a lot of thieves I’ll give you that.

Banzie.5248:

Iluth.6875:

Banzie.5248:

I would like to clear some things up with the NSP people. It was not 3 pugs trying to flip our map, It was a 30+ Zerg with Omega golems on our map trying to flip garrison, Which we almost lost. NSP is the backstabber here, Not IoJ.

Nobody said 3 pugs, it was 3 guys (all the same guild) and a pug.

Actually it might have been 2 guys last night. Usually there is 3 of em but I wasn’t really paying attention on the zerg at that time.

NSP face it is a pug server. We have great guilds and great commanders, but even our best guilds sport 4 people at best making up the numbers of our zerg, the rest are random casuals and some unaffiliated die-hards.

It’s actually kind of amusing how much trouble a pug server is giving you guys. You have some BIG guilds.

Really? Cause i saw at least 15 [Os] Storming Bay and Garri yesterday with those “Pugs”. Regardless if you’re a pug or not, Being a guild group having SOMEONE tell you what to do makes you better then the average pugs.

Os guild wasn’t online at that time afaik, at least not in those numbers. I call bs. if 15 Os guys were online at the same time that would’ve been akin to seeing a bigfoot in terms of rarity.

I use an axe with fire sigil for zerging. Also ground targetable traps and GS. Lots of loot bags.

Vhampire.4132:

I started this game 4 weeks ago.

Now it’s all starting to make sense. 4 Weeks is not long enough to learn very much about pvping at all, whether it is in wvw or spvp. Declaring a class as broken because you can’t succeed at it after a mere 4 weeks of starting the game is more an indicator of your impatience rather than the state of the game balance. Although I don’t entirely disagree with you, the class does need work (as they all do) but Ranger is not broken.

Pvping is just as much about fully understanding how your opponent’s classes work, as much as understanding how your own class works. Get characters of each class to 80 and play and understand them properly. If that’s too much of a time investment, try games that don’t require time investment.

Banzie.5248:

I would like to clear some things up with the NSP people. It was not 3 pugs trying to flip our map, It was a 30+ Zerg with Omega golems on our map trying to flip garrison, Which we almost lost. NSP is the backstabber here, Not IoJ.

Nobody said 3 pugs, it was 3 guys (all the same guild) and a pug.

Actually it might have been 2 guys last night. Usually there is 3 of em but I wasn’t really paying attention on the zerg at that time.

NSP face it is a pug server. We have great guilds and great commanders, but even our best guilds sport 4 people at best making up the numbers of our zerg, the rest are random casuals and some unaffiliated die-hards.

It’s actually kind of amusing how much trouble a pug server is giving you guys. You have some BIG guilds.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Iluth.6875:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Woh woh woh, did NSP finally throw the first punch?
Is it game on already!? <3

I bet you were pretty happy when one of our foreign speaking guilds (3 guys and a pug, lol) decided to try and flip your BL. Gave you all the excuse you needed to hit our BL for the rest of the week (organized guilds mind you, not pugs)

The deal isn’t going so well for you guys and you’re desperate to gain back ground right? I predicted this midweek backstab at the start of this matchup. Nice of you guys to be so predictable.

From day one ive said it was going to be DH 1st, IoJ second and NSP third.
Though we have made DH work for it finally, dont give up NSP or IoJ! Keep the pressure!

Though judging by MOS, IoJ oceanics have gone a bit mental in your borderlands and eb corner
We could be getting PPT from DHs borderlands, instead of letting them catch up. I dont know whose on commanding

Though big props to NSP, definitely underestimated you guys!

EDIT: By the way it wasnt just 3 guys and a pug… You guys flipped bay and got wiped at inner gate of garrison, that was an organised attack, we wont let that just slide.

I think its time to just let the free for all begin

It was organized in the sense that it was 3 french guys dragging a pug over to your BL to get wiped yeah. I was in EB when they decided to go for your bl and I know who we had playing.

After that all we saw was organized IOJ guild-zergs in our BL. Granted we expected a bit of a smack in return for what xQCx did, but you guys definitely took some liberties.

Ohgodloldr, We were never going to lose, the truce was not going to last all week. As people have said before, NO server is going to let another win, thats just idiotic.

You guys have been pushing on the wrong side of EB since what, monday, tuesday?

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Woh woh woh, did NSP finally throw the first punch?
Is it game on already!? <3

I bet you were pretty happy when one of our foreign speaking guilds (3 guys and a pug, lol) decided to try and flip your BL. Gave you all the excuse you needed to hit our BL for the rest of the week (organized guilds mind you, not pugs)

The deal isn’t going so well for you guys and you’re desperate to gain back ground right? I predicted this midweek backstab at the start of this matchup. Nice of you guys to be so predictable.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Though theres only so much you can do, with so few numbers

Though we held you lot in your BL long enough for our eb guys to flip your keep ><

Great night to night, a lot of fun ty NSP and DH Lots to be learnt aswell

Like dont start mortars and drain your supply when youre being attacked! >_>

Yup, seems like every time IoJ attacks a keep, someone starts up mortars and supply gets drained.

The Game Slayer.7632:

Iluth.6875:

I would just like to add that my main is a thief, and I’m scared of nerfs, so I think they are fine.

Dont nerf them anet, they’re fine.

anyone who mains a class is going to defend it. simple as that, but what i ask of you, is to make an alt and see just how OP your class is.

I thought it was pretty obvious by my post that I was being sarcastic.

I’ve played all the classes. And traditionally always been a rogue/thief, but the way they work in GW2 is disgustingly overpowered and more importantly boring to play.

I’m really glad people don’t portal bomb as much anymore. I enjoy actual fights for a position on land instead 10 second wipeouts, regardless of which side I’m on.

I do it and it increases my chance of success by + lots, so I think it’s fair.

Only a wvw player stumbles into LA by accident, and for a few seconds begins to head for the blue dorito instinctively.

oZii.2864:

Aaruhn.7049:

fix it. No reason that a class should have so much mitigation (i.e. stealth) in it and damage burst. No way a class should be able to go into a 20 man zerg without fear of dying. Get in trouble? Go into stealth and run.

Mitigation =! Stealth

OP doesn’t know what mitigation is therefore I can’t take his thread seriously.

You mean because you’re being pedantic you cant take his thread seriously? You understand what he means, so why pretend you dont?

I would just like to add that my main is a thief, and I’m scared of nerfs, so I think they are fine.

Dont nerf them anet, they’re fine.

Remove the random. Take population into consideration.

This rating business is completely useless. At the start of the new system, we were matched with a server 6 places above us, and have been facing them ever since. Causing their rating to drop and ours to rise.

They are a high pop server and could give two hoots about their rating as long as they are stomping all over us low ranked low pop servers.

Raising the ranking of low pop servers, and dropping the rating of high pop servers is leading to all kinds of stomping going on. Adding +random was so terrible I can’t even express it. How didn’t you guys know it would fail badly?

+1 this idea

I was thinking something along the same lines the other day. We were running in a huge commander led zerg flipping supply camps, and in that zerg we had competent people who I know could lead a group to flip other camps at the same time. Problem is that it’s just too easy to follow the blue dorito.

Give us other ways to organize groups Anet. Different coloured doritos. Heck keep em all 100g if you must have your gold sinks.

Definitely a good idea for a low pop pugging server like mine. You guys with your organized guilds that communicate with each other, that’s great. But throw us losers a bone.

Straegen.2938:

I am getting really tired of:

Bunker guardians that take 2+ players to take down. Pull/shatter mesmers that can nuke a class while they are trying to stand up from a pull. Bunker eles that are almost impossible to catch if a player can whittle them down. Necros and their ridiculous hitpoint pools. Regen rangers and sick’em damage. Engineers blowing stuff up, slowing, dropping turrets… on and on and on…

OK, I am not really tired of these but any player that is good is going to be a PIA to beat. At this point pretty much every class is dangerous in the right hands.

“All the classes are equal but some are more equal than others.”

Dual.8953:

It’s annoying. Thieves are weak at everything but minor feats in wvw like killing dolyaks, and weakened opponents. They’re practically more newbie check then they an actual class. In PvE, they’re that damage class with less dps and support then warrior. In Spvp, they’re that dueling class that can’t hold a point. Yet that doesn’t stop people from demanding that they get nerfed at the one thing they’re good at.

Have you seen the endless aoe thieves can do with cluster bomb? Thieves dont have any problems in a zerg unless they were unfortunate enough to go full zerker.

Not to mention having the best survivability in wvw? (notice I didn’t say mitigation) How about the best burst damage and amazing mobility?

Amazing how people running a low skill threshold two button class can cry about nerfs, since it’s the general consensus that thief is most in need of the hammer right now.

They roam fine, and they zerg fine. I guess it’s just hard to see how unbalanced they are when you’re running one as your only toon. Try having an 80 of each class and playing them for long enough to get a good understanding of how each one works, then you will see how broken thief is.

Other day we had a thief hiding out in one of our towers permastealthed. His dead mesmer buddy was laying there for 30 minutes swapping armour to avoid getting kicked for inactivity. Later he did the same thing in one of our keeps.

Thief could not be killed purely because he did not want to be killed.

Working as intended.

I get that thieves are supposed to be able to be sneaky. But this whole thing of locking an underpopulated server into an empty tower or keep for 30 minutes to an hour, in a battle of patience is very tedious. If we get bored and leave, he resses his mesmer buddy and we have our keep flipped. Yawn. Fix it please, it’s just boring abuse right now.

I don’t understand the point of double teaming. Why not just have two sides and flip a coin at the end to see who wins? Same difference.

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

[SE] Bros! What happened?! I’m not even trying to troll right now, I hit my quota when we rolled DR into 3rd and made sure FC hit 2nd. But you guys have either 1) a troll guild with the same name on your server. Or 2) dramatically lowered your standards in the recruiting lane.

3v1’ing a necro is fine. You winning is fine. I’m not mad, it’s expected. Me having a friend show up and us successfully 2v3’ing you 3 guys for 30+ minutes as you run in and out of your spawn though? That’s unheard of. Then when your 9+ friends show to back you from who knows how many guilds, and you win….you dance on the corpse of someone you 12v2’d?

Were you that mad? Have things changed this much? Please say it isn’t so! Once upon a time you were as respected/feared as the awesome [PD] Bros.

As much as people say we don’t roam, or play pvp in wvw then cry about it…sometimes we do. And we’re good at it. But no need to jump, dance, cry, jump on the bodies of someone you couldn’t kill alone.

That’s just rude.

And my feelings are totally hurt. I just broke in to my neighbors house and punched him in the baby maker, then snuck back to my house I was so mad. He was sleeping. He’s probably blaming his wife right about now…that can’t be good….

I had some dealings with an unpleasant SE guild guy and his buddies yesterday. I think they must’ve relaxed the joining requirements.

GavinGoodrich.1382:

I don’t think ANYbody expected this…:D

Anet got the best of ALL of us.

Indeed.

“Welp, that random thing didn’t really work. Lets stealthily remove it and hope nobody notices the matchups are still screwed.”

There is an inherent problem when the +random to the matchup calculation, can put a server vs another server which is separated by 6 ranks, especially when that server is 4th from bottom.

There is no way for a server 4th from bottom to be matched with a server 5 or 6 ranks under them, since those servers do not exist. Let’s not even get into how the bottom ranked server feels about things.

Same goes for the top 6 servers. The whole thing was a terribly bad idea which was called by many before it was implemented.

Add server population to the mix and maybe we`ll get somewhere. But +random from my perspective only ever benefited the big servers, and those masochists who enjoy being stomped all over.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

I dont get your servers “ethics” and “morals” of never teaming up with another server and saying its cheating?

Honestly a lot of us would rather lose than do what you did.

And if you need to keep telling yourself that you could have taken us without going under DH’s protection. That’s not even worth laughing at. Instead prove it, if we are matched again.