Makes me really happy that some many others are jumping in to provide really good info
No love for Biceps
Voted since we are lovers. Do me proud if I don’t make the cut
Threw you a vote too buddy <3.
I shall put NA on my back squat my way to victory for you guys
Soooooo you want to see what a clone of LICH does to people? Come see
http://www.twitch.tv/thezombify/c/4640597
And i thought lich auto’s from me hit hard hahaha
Edit- Pardon the adult language o.O
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Voted yesterday. You were among the special ones I didn’t roll the dice to choose
i <3 you friend. i feel loved
pretty good guide. I prefer to run different condi builds based on the comp/players im going against or with. Otherwise that build/info will definitely serve many new comers well. Blackmoa knows his stuff
Or send me to 1v1 sizer…..IRL
Come watch me stream if you need convincing
Hey everyone!
As many of you already know, i have been selected to have a chance to represent North America at Gamescom. This also is a chance to represent Necromancers everywhere there too
With that being said, it would be an honor to represent you guys if you choose to vote for me and i promise i wont let you down. I represented you guys at PAX and i am ready to do it again!
-Zombify
Stream is up with cam and songrequest. Come chill!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNAW7Yjc0UTbtNe2wfbighSyW4DiuBCgzlykIKA-TJxHwAFuIAA3f4YZAAPBAA
Hey is this close to what you run in tpvp? If not what do you think about the trait choices and sigils other than the energy and fear stuff.
Close but i run corrupt boon, spectral walk/armor/plague sig, wurm. And i run carrion with those traits.
So I’m running a hybridish…. yea…. build mainly for wvw, I cannot live without 25% move speed so I’m at odds either locust or i go traveler. I already have CB and SA but I think SW would be great for wvw too
Edit: If locust is just better to go with, what other rune options are good?
I am the same way. If i dont run travelers, i have spectral walk. if i have travelers, i run different utilities/traits. We really need it imo.
I play standard condi necro with flesh golem as elite.
In team fight (my prefer situation as condi) I do very well effort in the fight, in 1vs1 I think I good but not too much because I have some problem in 1vs1 against thief, Mesmer and sometimes Wars.
What is your general skill rotation in general 1vs1 situation?
How is your playstyle against this 3 classe and the others?
Hmmm i don’t have a general “rotation”. Its all reactive or proactive depending on the class i am engaging or got engaged by.
thief- interrupting the heal is usually a kill window on d/p. If they run withdraw/are s/d or pistol whip, you need to just get used to the timing windows when to spike with fear. S/d is really good at hunting necros.
war- need to dodge every stun/pindown and save burst for after zerking and endure pain (though you can set them up while endure is still up)
mesmer- you need to just get good at reading the shatters. Also dodge illusionary zerker and mirror blade. If you interrupt their heal, its usually GG.
Learn what things you should soak with DS.
Speaking of non-swimming golems… what are your thoughts on an underwater build?
Haha, i’ve never really thought about building around underwater :P.
Thank you for the responses guys!!
I have some questions for you guys, if you don’t mind answering.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
1. Why do you use Well of Corruption instead of another stun break?2. Whenever I play hotjoins I get constantly ganked and I die without even putting up a fight. Is there any way to avoid this? [other than avoiding outnumbered fights]
3. I feel lost without the soul marks trait in Soul reaping trait line. How can I stack deathshroud in fights so that I have a good up time on it? I don’t think spamming staff auto is very good because I’m going to be taking damage in 1v1s and in team fights I feel like am just letting the fight pass me by.
4. Am I supposed to get knocked around like a ping pong ball versus engineers, or am I not playing it right?
5. Is carrion amulet better for conditions over rabid amulet? [Rabid is like my crutch because I get bursted pretty easily without it]
6. When is the best time to condi bomb someone? [ I sort of have an idea but I’m not 100% sure on this]
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Those Are all the questions I can think of right now
I promised id stop by and take a look so here i am
Several other people in here have offered up some good info already though.
1. Using well of corruption really depends on the build. I will assume you either saw a necro running with it on condi or saw a power necro running double wells. What the well offers is more cleave/control (if you use it for stab corruption) and LF generation due to a bug (which honestly should just stay)
2. Positioning is your best friend. With good positioning, it makes it a pain for the enemy to tunnel you and allows for a easier time for your team to peel for you. With that being said, hotjoins aren’t really what the game is balanced around due to all those people (unless its a 5v5 hotjoin)
3. Yes soul marks is amazing. You honestly could still run it in a condi build which i have used to pretty good effect (0/6/2/0/6). As for not using it, make sure you are pre spawning your minions before the match starts then swapping. Also using staff auto at the beginning of a team fight isnt all that bad. You just need enough LF to spike someone unless you’re in a bad position and need to soak damage with it.
4. Positioning will help fix this and having access to aoe stab from a guard will….otherwise yes we are one of the easiest classes to CC
5. I find this to be funny kinda. Carrion actually has the highest burst protection due to the way it scales with ds and ehp. Rabid is better overall protection. NeXeD also gave some good reasoning, but you can swap the amulets around in builds based on team comp/playstyle. I personally prefer carrion due to the amount of warriors/eles in the game. Allows some pressure when they are cleansing like mad.
6. Hmmm this really isnt a straight forward answer. There are several different timing windows based on each class then each spec of those classes. Let alone different timing windows when other players join the picture with you, both enemy and friendly. The best advice i can offer is just play and you will start seeing when people are vulnerable. Don’t rush it, just play smartly against people and the window to blow them up will appear. Also try and communicate your burst if you are playing with a team.
Sorry about the stream earlier guys. My power died mid stream. But about to start streaming again Some team queues since im subbing for a friends team.
I know its late, but stream is up!
Necromancer is my go to class. I love how it plays!
But anywho, here’s MY question: What’s your opinion on dual daggers? I find it has the most insane LF regen out of all the weapons and some of the best DPS for single target. What would you say D/D would be against an Axe? I never enjoyed the axe, as if requires you to stack vuln for it’s 2 to be worth anything.
Also, what’s your opinion on Dhuumfire? It used to be so amazing, but now I just can’t think about putting 6 points into the traits just for the burn.
Edit: Got a guide for a fear build? It’s always interested me but it seems… weak, with being only able to fear targets every 20 seconds or so for only a little damage, at least with terror.
I think dagger mainhand is way better then axe. More utility, more LF generation, better damage. Axe’s auto is just weak imo and the burst from axe 2 can be avoided easily (in pvp that is). Axe isnt bad for pve though i still run dagger/x.
Ah dhuumfire…. its good and bad in its current form. Its good because burning is still such a stupid condition and now you can skillshot it. Its bad because, well, lifeblast is just a terrible projectile. I’ve had random clones/spirits/parrots/wolves/everything eat my “skillshot” lifeblast while it was traveling which wastes dhuumfire. Need to really line it up and be close to the target which promotes bad positioning.
As for guides, i need to make another in-depth one, but you can always find my current builds on my stream twitch.tv/thezombify
Also a Question : What do u think of the new Food from Season2 wich has 40% Cond.Duration + %chance to steal health on hit ? can it be a better option for Rare Pizza ?
Honestly havent had a chance to try the new food yet. If its like the other foods with a low ICD, then i think it may definitely be better then just 70 condi damage.
Dear Infect,
I have levelled my necromancer to 50 as a minion master, which was fun albeit rather easy. Then the Crown Pavilion happened and I levelled it further to 80. In the Pavilion, my necro can do every single one of the bosses except Pyro for which I have no reflect or absorb to bring to the party, so I never bothered to go there.
My aim for my necromancer is to use it to finish world completion and do dungeons and factuals. In fact I am torned between whether my mesmer or necro to be my main character. I have heard that powermancer with berzerker setup is the way to go. That is what I am trying at the moment, a 6/5/0/0/3 build with D/horn, A/F, WoS, Blood is Power and Signet of Spite. But is it the only effective way to do PvE contents?
In my heart, I still want to try a condimancer and/or a terrormancer builds, or even a MM build again. But I have heard that they are sub-par for PvE. What do you think of them?
Please advise.
Many thanks!
You heard right about the zerker part. I think spoj has a pretty good pve guide in terms of raw dps for pve. Otherwise i personally do 6/6/0/0/2 or 6/2/0/0/6. your utilities are fine for pve.
Sadly, condi is indeed sub-par at best for pve. This is due to the games condition cap on condis from all classes. Also condi just doesnt scale as well as zerker. I love condi all around in pve, but i wouldnt bring it to a speed clear dungeon run.
Hi OP,
Do you have a viable Necro build that takes advantage of the trait path of corruption or is centered around path of corruption? Would you recommend using condi or power necros for that trait?
Thanks in advance
Haha yes sir i do. The main build i run uses path of corruption since it is indeed a strong trait. 0/6/4/0/4 with carrion (can also use rabid, i just have had better results with carrion in this meta). And you definitely run condition for that trait since it makes the boon strip that much stronger.
Dear OP
I will be getting back into GW2 after over a year absence and I want to start a new main, considering necro. I usually prefer hybrid power/support builds and was wondering if a deathshroud heal build would be viable in PVE or just not helpful enough. Here is my idea so far, may drop the wells for full spectral for LF generation to max my time in DS healing. Here’s a link
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNAndWjk00abPN22wfbiahayooLgsODAqvj2ogB-eWhat do you think?
Honestly depends on what you mean by viable. Most hardcore groups prefer just straight damage for the speed it brings. Otherwise if you do want to try a nitche heal build with necro, that build doesnt look too bad. I honestly havent fooled around too much with straight healing builds, but i do know well of blood with clerics gear is one of the biggest aoe heals in the game. Too bad its not a water field too
I have a question…Im a lvl 80 necro but in WvW im having extreme trouble keeping up my DS while under direct fire under anything is there any tip to help my DS not go so low so quick?
Pelopidas gave the right answer. If you time your last gasp (if you have it traited) or use spectral armor in conjuction with death shroud, you can tank a surprising amount of damage. Usually takes several people just to get you out of the death shroud. Spectral walk can also do this, but not to the same effect.
Stream is going up. Make suggestions for what you want me to do otherwise yoloq’s with denshee/zoose/luxe/etc
Stream is about to go up! Caed and Zoose are with me too
Zomb..
Do you save your streams?would love to rewatch stuff.
Yes sir. Had to re-setup my stream so now it is saving VODS. Gameplay isn’t the best it could be though due to my lovely latency. New internet or bust.
Also i am trying to stream a few hours every day. Should be most active during the week so im sure you can catch me sometime
Hey sorry my post was a little confusing I really didn’t mean turret engis. I know how to kill them, or at least I know how to kill most of them. It’s the nade spamming and cc engis that I have trouble with as either terror in both setups and as a power necro. And honestly I have more luck as a spectral power necro against them than with the condi necro.
Haha all good. You need to catch them with a condi swap into a fear chain after they heal. Kite them, dont let them get close too close to shield daze/pistol. Make sure you dont let their confusion sit on you. Also make sure to dodge the frost nades unless you are planning for some clutch transfer. Both power (with dagger OH) and condi should win unless you make a mistake. also dodge crate animation.
What do you think we lack as a class now to do well in pve dungeons or fractals?
I feel with the way that the fights are made we are just useless…. I’ve experimented with many builds, wells for healing, minion master (berserker or cleric), full condi (s/d & staff with corruptions) or even dagger/focus & warhorn (ew. axe) zerker…
The only thing we’re good at is controlling our own conditions and surviging on our own + we deal some nice “base” dps with daggers.
We don’t provide any skipping mechanics, we can heal with wells or minions (with minions being the better option stat-wise, but they are terrible for skipping – most of the cases today :/ ).
We don’t have any reflects – which is again a problem with the way the fights are made.
We don’t have much vigor access either, why?Well I know “anet” wants an attrition class or whatever… but hey you’re not supposed to “outstand” a boss, which is not the case anyway. I mean … thoughts?
(We face similar problems in pvp it seems, but I actually enjoy my necro at my casual 30-ish spvp rank).Thoughts?
tl;dr version:
What changes do we need not to get kicked from pugs, as a class and in the game (pve mainly)?
Honestly, i think necros getting kicked from pugs is just bad stigma. Sure, we aren’t GS warriors, but a zerker necro with wells puts out A TON of dps. Now i could understand not taking condi for speed clears unless heavy aoe to abuse epidemic (maybe). As for changes, id like to see the other weapon sets have better LF generation. That may help all around for quality of life and dps.
awesome thread, tip of the hat to you sir!
question:
is rare veggie pizza overpowered?
Glad you like it buddy!
and yes i do if they don’t have lemon grass on or purposely hard countering conditions. Otherwise, our fears become soooooooo stupid, and nightmare rune procs become instant wins.
What do you think is the biggest limitation to a minion master playstyle? And what do you think is the ceiling overall for the playstyle. I like it but from what I hear, it limits you when you try getting more serious in the game
I will be honest with you, Bhawb truly fools around with minions more then me and probably can answer it better. But from my experience with dueling high tier players and queueing with them for fun, the AI is both a blessing and curse. Blessing because it pilots itself (not including using the minions abilities). Curse because the AI is verrrrrrrrrrrrrry dumb and buggy. Caed kites my minions all day long on the Z-axis. Just leashes them around then comes and spikes me hard. Minion masters probably wont ever be competitive unless the AI changes in the game/or the offer greater utility.
I would love to know how you deal with an over abundance of cc as well =\ soon as I go into a group (started to tpvp) its send the warrior with a hammer to make the necro redundant with the occasional fear steal from a thief -.- (just an example)
likewise we have no problem taking out their necro in the same fashion I can do it with just dagger dagger wod spectral grasp and fear from ds and golem =s even that is too much cc for the other necro to withstand lol…..
Sadly, i deal with heavy cc by having my team peel/offer prot and stab. Otherwise it all comes down to juking/positioning if a warrior is tunneling you and waiting for zerking and endure to be on cooldown.
you then have a window to counter pressure/cc. Thief steal has a pretty big animation unless they stealth fear. Counter pressure is honestly your best friend vs good thieves.
Hey thanks for making this thread man. It really is great
Do you feel like necros are as bad as people make us seem so in PvP and Pve? What build are you using when and why? What are your armor choices?
thanks
I personally feel necros are in a weird spot. We are great/op in certain aspects, but very lack luster in most others. We have a high skill cap compared to something like hambow which also makes the class very unforgiving if you make a mistake.
We also lost a lot of our pressure due to nerfs after dhuumfire hit (they were trying to tone down damage when dhuumfire was honestly the problem). We also have little pressure due to hard counters (zerking stance) or the amount of passive and active cleanses.
Nightmare runes are op though and can make us feel pretty op in 1v1s so its a weird situation. As for pve, i think zerker necro puts out a ton of damage! condi not so much
My go to build is 0/6/4/0/4 w/ carrion and nightmare runes. I feel this is a decently strong build that punishes people who over extend. My other builds sacrifice safety for more pressure since we are hurting there.
Did you know that necromancer is a type of mancer?
Eg. Pyromancer or aquamancer.
True story.
Yes sir i did!
Playing Necro is a total blast in WvW. We’re basically AoE death machines.
Zombify, what sorts of unconventional necro builds do you think are viable in large scale WvW? Lately I’ve been running a chilling darkness well build with ice runes/sigils which is pretty fun! The only issue is that I’m getting fattened up by eating too many koi cakes, and I want something a bit different/more effective in the realm of a power or hybrid build.
Hmm in large scale? i really do like wells, especially when you have access to ascended gear and food….Though my dirty little pleasure is dire gear for roaming with food cause the fear duration is just straight up dumb lol.
I think you should try condi wells or just yolo with zerker 6/2/0/0/6. well of power, walk, wurm
Is Reaper’s Precision any good?
I’m trying to figure in some way of generating LF in pvp.
Compared to the other tier 1 traits we have, its very lack luster even with high crit. Soul marks out shines this trait by far. Really do wish we had other LF generation options.
Hi!
Do you feel necro is up there with the current professions chosen for high lvl spvp?
If so what are your main strong points?Also want to know if you ever revive someone during battle on a point?
Lets say 3v3 with a high focus on necro from the other team.Last, what do you run in general?
(night night ^^)
I do feel necro is a very strong 1v1 class (mainly terror). This honestly is due to nightmare runes power creep and reapers protection. Yes, i have DS revived or plague revived people in high matches if i have
numbers for the enemy team and know i can get the revive off. Otherwise its a big no-no to be on point haha. I bounce between builds A LOT depending on my team/other team. Usually my go to is 0/6/4/0/4 w/ carrion though.
How do you deal with highly skilled engineers currently. If I use terror build I’m a kittening ping pong ball. If I use spectral power build I can last longer but he’s got so much cc I’m eventually going to die. If I use glass cannon I’m a ping pong ball made of glass.
I don’t mean kittenty engis, I mean the ones you run into that are at the top of soloq. I know I know they’re probably not pro either but they are absolutely what I have the most trouble with now and it’s driving me crazy because they all talk kitten saying how awful I am since according to them necro is a hard counter to engineers. Oh and its not turret engis. I have no problem with those.
Ah yes, turret engis. Gotta love that AI
honestly, while necro is indeed strong vs engi, you shouldn’t be fighting a turret engi unless you have no choice/know you can win 100%. We dont have the physical damage
to kill certain turrets fast enough as condi (thumper/net etc). If you do have to fight him, throw darkpath into their shield block. usually makes them panic and forces a dodge (also gets pressure on them if you have path of corrupt). That opens a window to spike. Power necro
has it a bit easier since DS4 can just cleave the turrets down or you can force them to sit in a well if they realllly want that point. Honestly its just a dumb fight in general since they aim to debunker and we have very little stability access lol.
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Hey everyone.
Can’t sleep so i decided to make this thread to help people. Ask me anything you would like to know about necro! builds, mechanics or just want to chime in and say hi
credentials- Playing since early beta and played with SYNC during the international at PAX/Several other tournaments like MLG invitational. Most my knowledge does involve high end pvp but i do pve and wvw too.
You have much to learn my Son. Let me see if i can explain some things.
1. The forums have always cried about necros being weak since the first day. Most of this was indeed just people not being able to hit the skill cap and had little backing these complaints up…mainly looking and aiming this statement at everyone pre dhuumfire that were complaining.
2. I fully disagree that any build is viable as long as you have the team support. To an extent this may be true like the old school days of building a team around zerker lich, but for the most part you will actually kitten your team. There will be better builds/classes that you could bring with a smaller risk.
3. Some of the complaints do have some truth to them. Necros are indeed in a weird state right now due to the power creep that Anet put in this patch with sigils/runes….. Now you probably are asking why not just bring a power necro and abuse the runes/sigils like everyone else.
Yes that is a possibility, but speaking from experience, why not do one better and bring a rune of strength war or even mesmer. More utility and almost the same burst and cleave (excluding lich bomb etc)
4. and dont get me started on the amount of counterplay this game is lacking which would help necros and a few other classes/builds.
Enjoyed your videos though as much as i hate axe
edit- on the axe note, i will tell you that i have tested it in high end scrims. The problem with it is the sustain pressure from the auto is lacking and not worth the 600 range. Also the burst from axe 2 has a HUGE tell and the entire chain can be interrupted with 1 dodge. Axe 3 is nice though but in a high end play, if you are out of position using axe, the enemy team will swap to you immediately which makes you a risk for your team. D/x also has more utility with the immob (still has the same over extending problem though). I mainly play zerker necro like a thief with shortbow to try and fix the range issues.
-Zombify
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That brotherly love! Ventari is not a bad necro – but from watching the games yesterday i can point out a couple of mechanical weaknesses.
Hey Ventari here, I would really appreciate feedback, so pls tell me your opinion about my playstyle yesterday, but don’t come with: u hit a skill in a dodge/u used a skill too randomly etc cause these things just happen from time to time, but if u provide good feedback let me know
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EVERY Guild wars 2 PvP competition since launch has had a lack or complete absence of Necromancers. I believe this topic deserves a dev response.
The PAX tournament had a necromancer on almost every team, IIRC. But otherwise you’re right.
I can back this up since i played at pax as a necro
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