Guild Wars 2

Well i was going to be in the NA legends tourney with Caed’s team, but i decided to drop. Also i would of been running a build i kinda discovered off of testing random stuff. Ended up working out against some scrims with Good Fights a few days ago. Had a few of you guys asking me about it so i’m probably going to release it since i dropped out.

And ops if you are just talking about EU’s line up.

I think my old sustain build may make a comeback with this. Its interesting but i doubt the healing is going to be crazy.

-Zombify

kitten did i just read?

Glad to see you’re still around Nemesis. Also happy my lyssa condi golem build is catching on. Been running it for months with people wondering why over plague :P Lyssa does need to be nerfed…bad.

@And at Rennoko it actually enables more then plague IF used right. You mainly use it defensively I.E. counter procing it when a war procs rage. Or if you some how are getting tunneled/out of position. Plague is still very good but the problem is there is so much condi immune, you still drop fast compared to just cleansing then rotating with lyssa.

-Zombify

Oh boy…..Guess that means i am quitting again.

Welcome back! You were missed!

Haha this is literally the exact build ive been playing since dire release. Except i switch the utilities up. good stuff but yes its stupidly broken.

I got the perfect topic….this is how it will go- invite me back on to the cast and we shall discuss how sexy and amazing I am. Great top right ?!

I am live! And have a handle of tequila sighhhh

I like where you are thinking Leeto and you do grasp most of it, but I think you may be slightly off in your explanation. Posting here so I can remember to discuss this after I get some sleep. It was a long night at work. Good discussion in here though.

I am back once again and stream is up!

@flumek- I am currently running condi still. While its in a iffy spot with the current meta, its what i enjoy and still manage to have success with. Power is still great though and i play it sometimes I have build ADD actually so i play a lot of things haha

Oblivion.8307:

are you high..?

I think you guys all just got trolled lol…Spite carries kids.

Stream going up! High MMR team queues with Caed, Tany, and Magic Toker

Stream is live right now! Team queues with Caed and Good Fights

jalmari.3906:

Phenn.5167:

This is how the Weakening Shroud nerf evolved:

1. Initial proposal was to increase the CD to match the /D skillfact—the Devs felt that Necros had too good an uptime on Weakness.
2. (Rightful) complaints about the change turning WS into a RNG skill.
3. Devs conceded the change was misguided, instead removed the ICD and decreased the duration and stacks of Bleed/Weakness.
4. When (rightful) complaints came this time, they were shot down by good ol’ Jon saying, “With 100% ConD duration and Near to Death, this is a 57% uptime on AoE Weakness, which is borderline OP.”

So there you have it: A trait balanced around an incredibly specific situation (I’m unaware of any build that has both 100% ConD duration AND NtD), and then called OP in that incredibly specific situation.

Never mind that a Thief with a SB can maintain perma-Weakness with 15 traitpoints and SB’s own self-combos.

But hey, we Necros get to sit on the bench with the Thiefs and commiserate. You know—the whole misery and company thing.

Basicly because weakening shroud helped 100% condition duration terrormancers everyone else including berserk builds got shafted.

Weakening shroud was crazy strong ever since the weakness change, but yes the nerf was more aimed at condi and power took the hit too.

Anyway Nemesis, i don’t want to keep going back and forth. Play around with the changes and see how it is. You’re a strong player so im sure you’ll adapt. I just want the skill ceiling increased for our class again like it used to be, that’s all. Condi or the class we love wont die this easily.

Ok let me stop you before you get ahead of yourself or misunderstand what i am saying- This game is balanced around TEAM PLAY, Nemesis. Anything i mentioned was with that in mind. At no point am i talking about duels, 1v2s etc. So yes, if 2 glass classes decided to open on me in a pvp enviroment where i am running with a team, they probably will die (no im not 1v2ing them assuming they are of equal skill).

Now if you want to talk about a wvw instance, im pretty sure most classes would die to a double invis opener assuming skill is equal again lol.

And no im not playing some custom special necro or i am some God :P I just think i play the class with a more efficient/different playstyle that works for me and has worked out for all the teams i’ve played with. This class has ALWAYS been about good positioning since the nerfs in beta 2. You don’t have many escapes, then try to minimize the scenarios that you would need them. I too do die at times but i feel i stay up pretty consistently in tournaments

Sepreh.5924:

My worry is that the nerf to Enfeebling Blood is absolutely going to kill my berserker necro. It was the main source of defense for this build and I can only imagine how quickly I will get burst down now.

That is a legitimate worry for sure. I too used enfeebling for defensive purposes when i ran power. Still need to test out how the new death into life scaling with power. May make up for it. Probably not haha

Nemesis.8593:

Infect.2738:

Prophet.1038:

Infect.2738:

Nemesis.8593:

Infect.2738:

Necros needed nerfs Nemesis. We never should of been buffed in the first place except for maybe some LF generation/sustain. Now its debatable if the way they nerfed us is the right way, but either way we are fine. If you think this killed condi then you still don’t grasp the class.

-Zombify

Can i try to kill you with a friend ?… I promise you will die in 15 seconds and you can not escape… then you bring a friend, and try to kill my friend… he will ALWAYS escape you.

But of course… Necromancers are still OP, yet no one plays them in tournaments.. or if they do they die all over the place.
I have yet to see a necromancer kill stuff in tournaments… and i have watched those that were made with great interest…

You haven’t watched me enough then ;P I have been in almost every major tournament (except this very last one since i quit) so part of that statement is false. I promise you we will still be fine. If i had it my way, id revert us back prior to the dhuumfire patch. hell even prior to the terror patch. I still had great success then when we were “nonviable”

I’ve watched alot of your tournaments, are you saying you were not being the first person to get focused? Because WE always are the first ones to get focused. 2 Reasons our mobility sucks kitten, we can’t medicate enough damage now that we don’t have the weakness to reduce the damage. Our downstate should honestly just be considered a double down.

Oh hi Prophet. I remember you from when i was still on SOR. No that is not what i am saying at all. Our damage needed a nerf. Our survivability wasn’t touched this patch. And those 2 problems can be fixed with good positioning. You literally can make it hell for the other team if they want to try to switch to you. Now yes we are really easy focus targets if we get out of position and it does suck.

Edit: I caught myself. Our survive was changed in terms of the weakness nerf on enfeeble. You can still play around it though.

I like the fact that you say “use positioning” vs invisible enemies… hmmm… let’s say a thief + mesmer – MOA… let me try to explain what is going to happen…

They appear… your disappear…

Do you have any idea what would happen if 2 squishy classes like that opened on me in a high tier setting (openning in terms of them over extending with an invis while their team is playing standard)? they would die. They would be so vulnerable to a swap by my team it wouldn’t even be funny. ESPECIALLY if the mesmer slots moa and not mass invis.

With that being said, positioning does fix a lot of this. Good positioning forces the enemy to have to get into a bad position. Playing in high tier, good teams take advantage of this all the time. Now maybe we could use a few more quality of life changes, but the counter pressure we have is too much. Especially with how easy it is to apply.

The whole point of my post is to say that condi necro wont die from these changes. Its getting phased out of the meta due to power creeping of other classes (warrior, ele with the new diamond skin). Thats what you should be worried about.

Prophet.1038:

Infect.2738:

Nemesis.8593:

Infect.2738:

Necros needed nerfs Nemesis. We never should of been buffed in the first place except for maybe some LF generation/sustain. Now its debatable if the way they nerfed us is the right way, but either way we are fine. If you think this killed condi then you still don’t grasp the class.

-Zombify

Can i try to kill you with a friend ?… I promise you will die in 15 seconds and you can not escape… then you bring a friend, and try to kill my friend… he will ALWAYS escape you.

But of course… Necromancers are still OP, yet no one plays them in tournaments.. or if they do they die all over the place.
I have yet to see a necromancer kill stuff in tournaments… and i have watched those that were made with great interest…

You haven’t watched me enough then ;P I have been in almost every major tournament (except this very last one since i quit) so part of that statement is false. I promise you we will still be fine. If i had it my way, id revert us back prior to the dhuumfire patch. hell even prior to the terror patch. I still had great success then when we were “nonviable”

I’ve watched alot of your tournaments, are you saying you were not being the first person to get focused? Because WE always are the first ones to get focused. 2 Reasons our mobility sucks kitten, we can’t medicate enough damage now that we don’t have the weakness to reduce the damage. Our downstate should honestly just be considered a double down.

Oh hi Prophet. I remember you from when i was still on SOR. No that is not what i am saying at all. Our damage needed a nerf. Our survivability wasn’t touched this patch. And those 2 problems can be fixed with good positioning. You literally can make it hell for the other team if they want to try to switch to you. Now yes we are really easy focus targets if we get out of position and it does suck.

Edit: I caught myself. Our survive was changed in terms of the weakness nerf on enfeeble. You can still play around it though.

Nemesis.8593:

Infect.2738:

Necros needed nerfs Nemesis. We never should of been buffed in the first place except for maybe some LF generation/sustain. Now its debatable if the way they nerfed us is the right way, but either way we are fine. If you think this killed condi then you still don’t grasp the class.

-Zombify

Can i try to kill you with a friend ?… I promise you will die in 15 seconds and you can not escape… then you bring a friend, and try to kill my friend… he will ALWAYS escape you.

But of course… Necromancers are still OP, yet no one plays them in tournaments.. or if they do they die all over the place.
I have yet to see a necromancer kill stuff in tournaments… and i have watched those that were made with great interest…

You haven’t watched me enough then ;P I have been in almost every major tournament (except this very last one since i quit) so part of that statement is false. I promise you we will still be fine. If i had it my way, id revert us back prior to the dhuumfire patch. hell even prior to the terror patch. I still had great success then when we were “nonviable”

Necros needed nerfs Nemesis. We never should of been buffed in the first place except for maybe some LF generation/sustain. Now its debatable if the way they nerfed us is the right way, but either way we are fine. If you think this killed condi then you still don’t grasp the class.

-Zombify

Hey everyone. The moment several of you have been waiting- I am back and finally streaming! For those of you who don’t know me, my name is Zombify and i am one of the PAX invitational qualifying necros. Been playing since beta and have played necro for many top teams including SYNC.

www.twitch.tv/thezombify/

Twitter- ZombifyGW2

Come check out some necro pvp/wvw.

I shall return just to upload footage of killing grouch then sleeping on his corpse <3. #nohonor

-Zombify

Rennoko.5731:

Nemesis.8593:

I have watched your video with a lot of curiosity… i was suspecting something and i was correct…

I have seen you time and time again surviving people ganking up on you, via plague or teleport or even getting res by your team… and my final word on the matter is this:

You have outskilled all those who have failed to kill you, they in fact were quite bad… significantly bad…
For me this video does not prove that necromancer can survive focus fire, it proves that you can survive focus fire if you heavily outskill your opponents + have help…

Regardless… you play well, and congratulations for that… just that it is not the class that carries you, it is you… who carry the class.

ps: just to prove my point a bit more… i am willing to demonstrate at any time that, even though you survived 4-5 players at a time… you won’t be able to survive me + 1 friend of mine, you would be dead in under 30 seconds… hell… i solo other necromancers faster, but i am coming from the idea that you are not “other necromancers”, you are a skilled necromancer + your premise of surviving focus fire… therefor +1 on my team.

I am not saying you are bad, on the contrary i am saying you are a good player… yet it is the class that pulls you down, you would do more if you could… but you simply can’t…

To be honest, I think the organzied RET group would take offense to being called significantly bad. Certainly there are bad individual players in these videos, but not to such an extreme degree that you claim. You need to watch more WvW videos if you think these people were bad. Most groups will auto attack from 1200 the guardian. WvW players are not much like Spvp players, they don’t have the general awareness.

I agree that I survive with help, but honestly there was not much these groups could have done to take me down any faster. They were all hitting me as hard as possible, and since both DS and plague are instant, they cannot stop me from soaking that damage. I am literally forcing them to beat through 80,000 hit points.

The way the game currently works, stealth is so unbelivebly powerful, especially in WvW, that thief/mesmer will always be the king of outnumbered fights. When you can run in any direction, and I have no way to know which way you went. You have long range teleports, you have leaps skills, I will NEVER catch a good mesmer or thief under those circumstances. At a high enough skill cap they become impossible to kill without overwhelming numbers. They should take a page from WILDSTAR and use a progressivly easy to see distortion field for stealth skills so there is some counter play.

I am absolutely certain that you and one other person would kill me in 30 seconds, especially in Spvp where I lose my stat cushion. But my implication was not that I can handle 2v1 odds alone. I tried to make it clear, and I have said numerous times in the past, necro has a serious problem in outmatched fights alone.

To be absolutely crystal clear, I am NOT claiming necromancer is in a good spot. This video was not intended to paint a picture of necro survival that is A’OK. I wanted people who play necro and get trained to know there are ways to try and stay alive, there are team comps that work better if these keeps happening to you, and you don’t always have to die. I get frustrated getting trained, and I know other people must as well.

Oh Nemesis. I honestly don’t think he could :popcorn: ;D

Video is enjoyable enough though

-zombify

Ostricheggs.3742:

mini.6018:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Titan.3472:

Before signet upgrade I was running it with mango pie in WvW to have about the same efficient that now: without this the passive regen is not enough to sustain fights what warriors are said to be about. Like I said regen itself means nothing BUT with dodge blocks blinds positions etc : each seconds you are avoiding getting hit you benefit regen then it’s efficient… Signet alone is nothing really. the overall heal points you gain via regen is about the same as the raw healing under fury level 3 so… nothing OP…
Btw I had an ele spe water scepter dagger that Anet nerfed the regen and really that was really what I call OP even with ele water regen nerf you still can have perma regen with lower hp/sec and last very long…
As you said CC warrior builds benefits efficient regen not because of the regen/sec value but because of the stuns durations and spams. if ennemy cant hit you in some timeframe you benefit regen while he s stun… Issue is more about CC.

You’re very correct in saying that it’s the combination of all the tools available to a warrior to keep themselves alive in addition to the signet that makes signet OP…

Signet by itself isn’t broken, it’s the fact that you don’t have to worry about your heal and have an insane amount of ways to combat both types of damage with a zerkers ammy in addition to signet. It’d be hard to find any class that wouldn’t become overpowered with a certain spec if they were given heal sig…

People claim that you can burst warriors down. Sadly, this is not the case more often than not. Between dodge rolls and the actual risk of you engaging on a DPS warrior because of how much counter-pressure he can dish out after he tanks your burst (lol 21k HP with 2400 armor with a zerkers ammy). Poison is truly the only way to mitigate the efficacy of heal signet to a semi-balanced level and actually “burst” a warrior down.

Even worse, condis seem to do an entirely better job at killing wars. This is incredibly pathetic considering that they have zerkers stance with cleansing ire and dogged march in 80% of the builds out there right now….

Yes, wars are a bit over the top. Yes, healing signet and zerkers stance are broken. Anyone who argues otherwise is either blinded or plays a warrior.

No.You are wrong in everything and every of your arguments is false.Even a guardian can instakill warriors if specced right and with a team’s support they are extremely dangerous.In duel servers even with healing signet war can be kited to death out of the kitten 130range of mace and hammer is still the most useless weapon only slightly less terrible than greatsword.A good player would not even get scratched by a hammer or gs attack in a duel.
The only class that has kiting issues in a duel is a necro but irronicly necro is the most op class in duels atm using minions.
Mnions autoattack is arround 3, k damage only the worm and golem do 1700 combined so if you tell me a 400 healing per second outheals that you are simply trolling the class for l2p issues.That is only pet auto and not even considering necros own auto plus attacks.Just one example out of many.
There are ele, engie,, mesmer builds that can literally oneshot the most tanky warrior build with 3600 +armor and thieves have unblockable spam attacks.Engie is still the best cc class and are very hard to counter even with 2 stabillity slots equiped if they know what they are doing.

I myself i only run one stability and i haven’t died to a warrior 1v1 in the last 3months.They go down like rocks since i know perfectly how to counter them.Heck i even 2v1 a lot of warriors in hotjoin and i use a zerk build the most squishy possible.

Last line:last night i was being chased arround by 3 players in their base and at one moment there were even 4of them.They had such crappy dps that i could go in circles dodging them forever and with a build without perma swiftness, vigor or leaps (mace/bow).They flamed me for being a tanky regen noob after they lost the match and ofc they got laughed at cuz i run zerker build plus amulet.Morale of the story:next match a dps guardian oneshoted me, an engie almost did the same and i had to pindown and retreat from a zerker ranger all in the same match.L2p is your friend.End of story.

almost thought you were serious up until you mentioned the minion necros destroying people. I wish the forums weren’t so full of crap that I almost thought up a reply for this….

That made me chuckle too oeggs. Also i like how people are bringing up 1v1 duels as if its fully relevant.

Sensotix.4106:

Infect.2738:

Sensotix.4106:

Added:
Episode 6 – “Fearception!” (Necromancer) – Gameplay by Ventari
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu1sRb8EyR4

I still have no clue why you promote this necro as top o.O

zombify i understand that as being one of the best (if not the best necromancer NA) it is hard to accept that there are other good necromancers out there as well …we have been playing with ventari in our team for over a year now and we are in the top 40 in EU for quite some time now..he has shown his skill in duels, tournaments and scrims we did
he has a good tactical way of thinking and knows exactly how to react in difficult situations (deathshroud stomping someone while fearing someone that attempts to stomp me etc etc etc) also he has a huge knowledge about all the other classes as well and how to play against them
there are some great other necromancers out there in EU as well but i would still count ventari to the top and i am sure others will agree

Ok since i sound like i come off as an a**hole, ill try to explain my view. Let me start off first by saying leader boards don’t mean anything so i would not omit that as proof. They are too bugged with the way MMR/setup is to be a solid scale to judge skill. I know for a fact most “top teams/players” dont even care for them ( SYNC included). When i ask for proof, i mean tournament proof/team proof. I dont mean to come off as i view myself being the only necro in the world hahaha. My other problem with your post is it seems you just keep promoting a ton of videos. Comes off as self promotion instead of aiding the community since you have SO many threads. Idk, that’s just me. As you will notice i have a reputation when i really do no self promotion pretty much. I let my play/tournament attendance speak for me. I am sorry but just watching the videos i feel there could be better players being shown. I am 100% for helping the community though with guides. Anyway, best of luck and i realized my previous post seemed scumbaggish

Sensotix.4106:

Added:
Episode 6 – “Fearception!” (Necromancer) – Gameplay by Ventari
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu1sRb8EyR4

I still have no clue why you promote this necro as top o.O

Bhawb.7408:

tattoohead.3217:

MM provides a much needed “role” to play, something only we can do. And before you go blaming AI why don’t you test it.

I know every minions damage and HP by heart, DPS, how every mechanic they have works now and has worked since launch. I know exactly what I’m talking about when it comes to minions, I’ve spent hours upon hours testing them out.

Minion DPS is nice, and its strong as long as they stay alive. But it will never be meta. Ever. Unless they make them completely OP (if they “dumbfire” them), they will not be the main meta simply because they will always be perceived negatively. They will always be an AI build that relies on you being able to properly micro their aggro and skills, and they will always be a very, very unique build type.

Its just how it is. Keep on trying them out, but it won’t make them meta.

This. Bhawb really is obsessed with MM though :P. Also in condi necro defense, it was viable before dhuumfire. It just got a unneeded/wanted buff.

Sorry i wont be watching. I don’t believe in pvp

Here we go again with sensotix lol… But that guy is right, leave the ego at the door until you have physical proof you are what you say you are But best of luck with the video and i hope it helps the community.

I’ll let you know how it goes without that pve buff

-Zombify

Bumping this thread because anyone looking for a solid team to play with, joO binder is it. Also they were my first competitive team on GW2 after launch

Narcarsis.5739:

I may not be good, but I’ve been around since beta.

And so have Vyndetta, Skovos, Zombify, Taym, and Davinci.

Oh hai guyz

Ok, i am sorry but i was just curious what previous experience this “top necro” has? I am all for helping the forums and tutorial videos being posted, but after watching a few feel like they should be questioned? I am not trying to come off as a troll/kitten either. Just curious

-Zombify

I <3 you five gauge!
He is right. I am personally playing a few other necro builds that are viable and not crazy condi heavy. Enjoy the game and adapt. Changes will come over time.

tichorum.2415:

They get trash talked because they BM. I think that’s known by anyone who plays PvP. Of course that act nice toward the ArenaNet team. Do you expect them to BM you guys too? I can honestly say I’ve never played a game before where another team has talked so much trash toward others until I encountered SYNC. And I know for a fact I am speaking for many GW2 PvP teams.

Care to list off a few examples if you are going to make that claim because i can’t think of any. Especially any regarding your account name

And @Allie/Tyler, ty for the kind words and it definitely was fun. I look forward to doing it again!

Khalifahaze.6045:

Necro power! I approve <3

Zomg Khalifa! You’re alive! Hi buddy!!

And @Hackks- sadly i didn’t get the chance to. Next time i will for sure

Hey everyone.
Just got back from playing at PAX/GW2 bash and i can’t begin to tell you how amazing it was. With that being said, i finally gave in and got a twitter and i am in the process of setting my stream up now. Come check me out and support me

Twitter- @ZombifyGW2
Stream- Check back here in a few for my personal one.
Twitch.tv/guildwars2pvptv

Cheers!
Zombify

Just curious, but how many fellow Necros will be at the gw2 bash in Seattle?. Can’t wait

#Necropride

-Zombify

tom.7468:

Meglobob.8620:

The only way most GW2 players will be effected at all by it, is the NERFS to various classes that come out of it…

That’s true. last time zoose a “top player” got killed by a ranger they nerfed shortbow range to 900-1200 and pets.

Hahaha i found this to be funny since Zoose plays ele which is technically second to last, if not last in the current meta :P He was my old team mate.

Hello everyone. I just want to state that is only 1 of the builds i ran in the PAX qualifier. As some of you already know from talking to me, i run different builds based on map/team comp. I ran 3 builds alone in the PAX qualifier, but i was only able to give 1 out which is the one you see posted up there. While 30/20/0/0/20 is considered meta due to its strength, you can still swap utilities and some of the traits so there is minor diversity.

I will post up my other builds after PAX. 1 of them (besides rabid 30/20/0/0/20) probably will be used at PAX for sure and it does counter other necros and auto immune :P

Lordrosicky.5813:

We have had enough nerfs. Please no more. We are balanced.

I have played alot of necro so I know what I am talking about.

I can promise you we are still op and still need to be toned down. ( I necro for [SYNC] and have been maining necro since beta/played it in all the other tournies)

Psychogene.6780:

Grats to Sync! I only caught the finals when it was 2-1 but boy it must really suck for A.L to lose from that position. Good win though totally deserved.

On another note, I think the finals peaked at just under 2k view when I was watching. For a game that has sold over 3 million and is considered one of the most popular current mmo’s, this is quite frankly sad. I was hoping something along the lines of 10,000 views and 5,000 minimum would be nice.

Was no marketing done at all for this event? I hope the grand finals do attract the most viewers GW2 PVP has seen or else – despite all the balance and new game modes – this game will just remain about as niche as it gets.

Keep in mind other huge games were having events this weekend. Dota 2 TI3 for example. Good chance viewers were getting stolen :p

butch.8136:

Who’s on SYNC’s roster? I missed the finals due to EU timezone.

Edit: Nvm, found the video.

Harrow. Was definitely a fun day. Oh and our thief was D/P for the person calling us out. We didn’t give into S/D meta ;P

Bhawb.7408:

Carrion has been run by the highest tier Necromancers for a long time, although it is possible they switched to rabid solely for the precision for Dhuumfire. I’ll have to talk to them again to see if anyone has changed, but I don’t see why they would when vitality scaling just got a buff.

I’ll chime in for you Bhawb. Carrion is still completely viable in the current meta IF you hit a certain crit % via runes/sigil/jewel. Carrion will always scale better then rabid due to the way DS interacts with vitality. Rabid just makes sure that dhuumfire is always on ICD, but you can still do this with carrion. Only thing you sacrifice at that point is less condition damage if you do it right.

I personally think my name fits the theme well- Zombify

:popcorn:

Homonavn.6348:

Before i start i want you to know this… I do not have any kind of proof for what im about to say, but i can say this: i am not lying, this is all true but if you dont want to believe me… Fine, but it is…

Ok so.. i watched a stream now, some guy were playing Gw2 and he had an Anet employee on his stream (Not sure who, since i joined the stream late) and they came into the topic necro and torment.

They started talking about terror and dhuumfire when the Anet guy said something along the lines of: “I don’t think torment is OP at all, but it is the combination of burning and terror that is”

Also, he stated that: “Necromancers got buffed in this patch, so they are now alot easier to do good with, maybe to easy. If the player is experiences, necromancer are very OP”

Someone asked HOW they are going to adjust necro’s and he answered: “We are going to adjust the damage terror does, since thats where they are OP because of all the fear they can apply. Also, we don’t want to change the core of necromancer like bleeds, because we dont want to ruin the main builds”

Again, i have no proof of this, but it is true.. believe me or not, but expect a terror nerf

Haha you’re quoting me. I don’t work for ANET though. And i do stand by what i said. I will try and push through my ideas on how to bring burning+terror inline without gimping either of them. Up to ANET to see what they want to do. And i also stand by what i said with the skill floor being raised to make weaker necros more effective (which is good) but it pushes higher ones into the OP territory.

Also nemesis, i play my own variation 30/30/10 on high tier scrims and i promise you its not as squishy as it seems. I honestly rarely die. Yes if you do get caught of of position you will die, but that can be said for almost any necro build.

Oh and i also saw a comment by someone saying that until we get more defense, necros will never be competitive in high tier…..this is flat out wrong. I would like to see more sustain and less damage, but that statement is incorrect. With proper positioning/good team communication, you have no reason to have “better defenses”. Like i said, i rarely die in scrims unless i mess up and overextend at a bad time/bad call is made. This includes me getting trained. I am not stating this to stroke my ego, but to prove it is do able in high competitive play.

Anyway i am glad to see all this feedback. Also glad to see more necros coming around Hopefully they aren’t just FOTM.

I laughed. Keep in mind though that there are players out there that did indeed do certain builds first and showed people how to properly use them.

I like pie. Hi Symbolic, my BFF.

Ascii.9726:

Not to be negative, but i really don’t see how any of these can be considered “meta” or even “Overpowered”. 30/30/10 would out-preform every build here from a PvP point of view.

This. Not to take away from your thread but my 30/30/10 build became meta in the high tier scene. and will probably put out the most pressure possible IF played right. I will say good job for offering up a list of builds people can try though.