WHAT
THE
CRAPNot cool Josh, not cool at all.
I am straight up angry right now.You have completely kitten the engineer for every mode of the game.
By temporarily disabling a bugged trait until it can be fixed. Dude, learn to play the freakin game and stop relying on overpowered abilities. First endless complaints over Mortar getting balanced, now because you can’t use a trait that’s clearly working incorrectly? This community is disappointing.
What was working incorrectly?
Old Grenadier was a GM and it gave you an extra grenade. THe new one was moved to adept and supposed to just increase velocity of the grenades (land at your target faster) and have the blast radius increased. However, what it was doing was giving you extra grenades. In my testing it wasn’t even just 1 though, just on a normal grenade toss I saw 5, now it wasn’t a very long test just enough to see if people were right saying it got extra grenades, but it was clearly working incorrectly. I’ve heard some claim they were getting double the nades they should, so it’s no surprise that people were claiming instant kills with Grenade Barrage. But, even just 1 extra grenade means we were getting an extra 33% damage, 2 nades 66%, and that’s just not what it was supposed to be.
Nades without this trait are still good, with what the trait is supposed to be it should make them more reliable in PVP or ranging in general, but it wasn’t supposed to give any sort of damage increase, just a quality of life trait. Much like Short Fuse doesn’t make bombs suddenly amazing, it just makes them more friendly to use.
It was a bit more than that.
Grenade Barrage was more grenades, in fact, it was twice as many grenades as it was suppose to be, enough that you could easily take off 90% or more of another player’s health with just a single use, if you were close enough for all the nades to hit.
1-5 however, the problem was piercing grenades: any time a grenade made contact with a target while mid-flight, it would do its AoE damage, in addition to the damage they do when they finally land. In a 1v1, this didn’t happen too often (Barrage was the bigger problem) but in PvE it was easy double damage or triple damage, especially with the stacking strat for dungeons and against bosses that are large and/or immobile, and for Wuv zerging, target the middle of an enemy zerg and you’re talking a possible 75 (SEVENTY-FIVE!) separate hits per toss (3 nades per toss, with pierce cap of 5 possible “hits” generating 5-target AoEs), which means 75 stacks of vuln, 75 applications of whatever condition that grenade had, 75 possible Shrapnel and sharpshooter procs, with most of those likely going to 3 or 4 targets or about a dozen hits apiece… It got pretty insane pretty fast.
Anyway, I’m glad this is getting fixed. I am sick and tired of the idea that I “must” use grenade kit in almost every part of this game to be considered viable.
I know I tested it on a dummy for a couple mins, I wasn’t seeing consistent double, but I was seeing consistent more. Granted I may have screwed up on my barrage and that was getting consistent double? But on the 1 skill I saw 4 or 5 (it was a pain to test with the bleeds that I forgot to disable
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Good call, good decision, I’ll just go back to Glass Cannon for now
See ranger coming or first/second arrow and hit your Shield 4 and laugh
COE2, guy rushes in with his dreamer in hand and pet in tow (yeah shortbow ranger) and strait to the middle of the golem room. Rest of us do the normal in and left strat, kill what follows us while we watch him nearly down before we come out and finish the stuff he pulled off. “you know it’s faster if you kill the Mk XXX first” says this ranger, which I couldn’t help but poke fun and reply with “you know it’s faster if you kill with your group”… well I guess I got under his skin. The rest of the path was underhanded comments at each other including the one that made me fall on the floor laughing. “Dude, don’t act like you know anything, 6k AP and no legendary, you’re a scrub,” my buddies and I laughed about that one for months. Eventually I got Minstrel though, now I’m awesome I guess? I don’t know if you call that elitist or not, but he was certainly a know it all… while using a shortbow on a ranger
Uh you can fix values on SPP and Sharpshooter after Grenades are fixed to actually make that possible. In fact that I think that’s lot easier than brainstorming ways to put per-mob ICDs etc. on everything.
True, but same effect really if nades did just 1 trait activation per toss. Any way they do it works. Though I’d imagine “fixing nades” would require coding work while if they alraedy have a development tool they can tack on the skills it’d just be one of those guys slapping it on a few abilities and making adjustments to values.
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Don’t forget Thad that Slow is the reason people got the 11s lupi kill. Sure specific case but still, it can be offensive when you consider the implications. Allowing you to continue damaging longer without having to evade/block as often. Just a note though, don’t slow in phase 3 of Lupi, extended lifedrain is a pain
I think 45-60s is good. If you go to 90s I think the duration should increase a few seconds. I know we’re not a PVP thread, but if they want this to be used there that kind of nerf would surely make me drop it and go back to focused renewal where I get all my virtues back as well as invuln. Right now I have increased burst potential vs defensive potential with a hint of offense through virtues.
IMO they should decrease timewarp though, just so long.
FMW is only really powerful in the right setting, as a lone guardian it’s nice, but not OP at all. It’s only when you stack them up. Yes this means there will be an easymode meta of 5 guards, but didn’t that already trivialize Fractals? And isn’t the War/Thief/Guard/Ele/Ele combo just as stupidly good with it’s constant blinds, more than enough projectile defense, perma fury/might, and amazing damage such that each encounter/phase is blown up in seconds. I don’t really see a problem.
I might be forgetting something, but from my testing Hammer/GS has clearly more DPS than Hammer/Mace-Torch?
That said, I probably get why you didn’t include it, with Mace-Torch offering more support. I guess it’s the lazymans build to dungeons with a little less support and a little more dps, than Hammer/Mace-Torch. :/
I think you have it all wrong. As Obal said you need all the WW attacks to do good damage, and with the radiant fire rotation it’s anything but lazy. You have to factor in practicality into your builds, being a spreadsheet fighter doesn’t help you any. And if you want to be lazy go Mace/Focus like me!
Because it’s funny?
Makes sense, just struck me as odd is all
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Fiery Rush — two years.
Deep Freeze / Ice Storm — going on three years, no fix in sight.
Guardsway….
2017 at the earliest.
#GW2PvELyfe
Ice storm deals too much damage, I get it, but what’s wrong with deep freeze? Just that it lasts 5 seconds?
Yes, basically, though I think the fact that you can A) Open with it,
blow many things up in about that time, and C) chain it with some coordination just makes it worse. The idea that we should go into most encounters with the same plan of attack nullifying enemy attacks while we blow it up, well it just makes things boring.
I can’t help but feel that you at least somewhat agree after seeing all your solos. Do you think it’s a well made game when you can blow up one of the hardest bosses in 11s(not deep freeze here but seriously, 11s on lupi…)? Should we not have to react a bit more, play a bit more actively and be a bit more dynamic in our play styles? It’s just a bit sad that they haven’t added new content to make us play at a higher level. One can only hope that the new “challenging content” builds upon the past to make us have to at least fight BOSSES for 30s constantly defending and attacking to overcome them… well that, or we can give up hope…
…I don’t have an engie: was thinking of making one though, and was just wondering what kind of fun could be had.
The best fun you can have is not wallsploiting him
Yeah, normally I feel the same, but lately, Anet’s complete lack okittennowledgement of the Lupi autoattack issue puts me a kind of eye-for-an-eye mood.
On one hand I like the auto attack, I like the increased level of required defense. On the other hand though, I can’t help but feel that should have been part of new content, that we should be seeing new stuff with that increased level of activity, not as a change to roadblock old content. And, yes thanks to their lack of care for their more challenging PVE content we can just wallsploit or even Guardsploit it with ease, or heck even just do it normal and coordinate a blow up without any exploits. It’s just poorly maintained mediocre design that was never iterated on in a better way.
Lupi without reflects is fun. Lupi low man without reflects is even more fun, solo, well a little frustrating, but the idea that they just make adjustments to old content without addressing major flaws in the design… just kittening pathetic.
To be fair how long of those 2+ years was it a prominent tactic? It was fixed pretty soon after that tournament where people went hog wild with it.
And don’t get me wrong Dusk, not saying it should be allowed, just can’t help but agree with the OP when he points out the contradictions we make on these types of things. And if I felt like being a kitten I’m pretty sure I could play devil’s advocate and point out that there were other changes from the twitch streams/notes to what came out live, or misinterpret/twist the wording of tooltips, but yeah, that’s stupid
For leveling traits work different now.
Get yourself the Med Kit for swiftness on 4, get yourself nades for… nades. And grenadier trait. With that you can just destroy, and you can get it at lvl 22 (I’m leveling my 3rd engi right now )
and, yeah GS+sword/focus is generally best for leveling/open world roaming.
And, yeah I’m not him, but felt like I’d chime in since I’m working on a new engi right now (lvl 26?) and things have changed a LOT since most people leveled up.
…I don’t have an engie: was thinking of making one though, and was just wondering what kind of fun could be had.
The best fun you can have is not wallsploiting him
Aye, just 5 guardiansploit him, or coordinate a good burn during a p2 frenzied blast…
FGS acted exactly as it was described to act in-game. Symbolic Avenger literally is functioning at about 10x what the description of the trait claims it should be doing in a five-man group and Grenadier based on its description should not be doing what it is doing to Grenade Barrage. The difference is clear in that FGS was working as intended and Symbolic Avenger and Grenade Barrage aren’t. Using these clearly bugged traits and skills in record runs is like trying to do record runs abusing this when it was a thing.
You really think stacking up multiple puddles of damage was intended? I mean you’re right in that those traits are obviously working differently than described (though to be fair how often have tooltips been wrong? ) but, isn’t it pretty silly to still defend FGS after they spent the time to remove that type of effect from the game in all it’s forms? And the tooltip there says “Charge at your foe, leaving a line of fire behind you” unless that’s just the updated version and the old one said “continuously drops puddles of fire as you charge forward” but I don’t remember it saying that.
I don’t know, I honestly agree with the OP in that a lot of people are quite fickle when it comes to labeling things exploits. People like what they like, and if they don’t they want it nerfed so they don’t feel forced into using it. And, when they do have the self control not to if it ruins their fun, they often will start badmouthing anyone who does (i’ve done it myself with wallsploit) as if they’ve never been guilty of the same type of abuse with whatever other tool.