Guild Wars 2

A really boring week and a really boring matchup thread…
Hope nothing of these two things happen again. :|

ps. this is not directed only at AM…

FSP hills… The way Riverside does it. Seems like FSP learned a lot from them.

Oh god the trolling in this thread from AM…
This song comes to mind reading your posts.

“Who let the trolls out? Who? Who?”

So many people from AM posting… Last matchup thread against us was more quiet with AM vs TUP story only going on. Guess this time things changed a bit.

I don’t care about blobs or numbers, since this is what this game is about. The maps are poorly designed, too few objectives, arrowcarts make every 5man attempt fail etc etc. I guess at this point even AM has come to understand this after facing Elona Reach for a week and seeing that there is no “superior strategy” that can overcome the population gap between servers.

So, nothing more to say to you. Enjoy your walk this week and i hope next week you face opponents of your size and Anet gives us servers of our size like Gandara and Miller’s Sound.

To FSP: Try to hit AM’s side on EB a little more. We will help you too. And i am sure it’s gonna be more exciting this way. Although i do enjoy your hard-punching zergs.

To the rest Gladians on thread: Don’t give up hope or lootbags!. but do get a breath of fresh air if you don’t feel up to it.

Parthis.2091:

Also, nice additional ninja-edit on the smiley, wouldn’t want people to think you were moaning.

Take it easy… match-up is over either way.

Thing i liked about this match-up was the fact that things flipped a lot, which means that we had almost the same coverage and the same numbers. AG managed to even get SM to T3 for one day!!! (big improvement)

Good luck to all for next match-up and hope to see you soon, Miller’s Sound and Gandara.

And all this started from a guild of 5 guys who went to the wrong BL on the wrong afternoon…
Oh boy! TDA guys, just switch BLs next time and stop complaining. It’s not like you can do much on a T3 BL with waypoints at primetime.

On the other hand, last night i killed 15 MS on Eb on a golem suit that i built but never used against a door! It was so fun to see people suiciding to kill me cause they felt threatened at Speldan camp.
Thanks for the loots and also thanks for the great fights in SM to Gandarans.

Personally i would like to see a close match-up points-wise, so to get people motivated to fight all week but it’s not gonna happen. Good luck, Gandara on fighting it out with MS.
Still, us dropping in points means we get less chances to face servers like RS, so it’s all good in the end.

Good luck to all.

Dayra.7405:

Amelia Knox.9362:

Do you think that more numbers is a more skillfull tactic?

I think the more number vs skills argument is far over-stressed. And a to cheap excuse for a loss.

By the way “large zergs” aren’t that easy to handle.
- Keep them together as large fight-group and not as a large farm-queue isn’t without challenge.
- Be careful on every teleport the numbers halves (even with a large TS percentage)
- Having bad equiped low-levels inside, renimate the enemy faster than you can down them.
- …

Putting large numbers effectively into fights is very skillful. For the lead as well as for the players.

Go to an international and say that again. Playing on a server where everyone understands you cause you speak their mother language is a whole different story.

On AG BL were roaming Army and Mya this afternoon and DYE from Gandara and maybe someone else too. Not ones for ours though, but still MS guilds have backbone a lot.
/salute

Vortigern.1987:

Karahol.9840:

I don’t think you can understand the viewpoint of the opponent servers unless you join them against your own. Maybe if you play against Vizunah for 6 weeks straight, you gonna understand what it’s like for AG to play against you.

At release AM started with a very small WvW population and almost no WvW guilds. We fought uphill battles against a lot of servers with more guilds, more people and a better time coverage. We were the first server to fight Jadesea when they got their massive transfers. Believe me, we know exactly how this feels.

I even remember a time at AM, when any group with more than 10 people was considered a Zerg…

I was talking more about RS, to be honest. They were dominating Tier 4 for some weeks and after the ac buff, some people just lost any will to play at all against them. The same situation as Vizunah in Tier 1 and Desolation.

I believe that AM is a great example of what numbers (=coverage) and the arrowcart buff +80% damage can achieve but i am fine with that. I mean this is what the game is about. If you could play without putting all your numbers in one place, it would be great but i don’t expect people to play it fair when they get the upper hand at some point. It’s common human psychology.

suprNovae.5410:

Now I see what you mean. DTK from Riverside are kittening beasts with their arrow carts.

Let’s guess how many seconds you stayed alive. 5???

street.2176:

I never said anything about superior tactics, I only said we build AC when its adviceable.
Problem is, we also get stomped on open field fights from Blobs and Skillag, we also meet towers and keeps with AC armys in them and we also see ppl running away.
But the only Servers that are accused of running, blobbing, and building ACs are RS and AM.
PS/AG (probably other INT Servers too) building 8 AC in a Tower? No problem.
RS/AM (probably other German Servers too) building 3 AC in a Tower? Germans camping in their keeps and building lots of ACs.

PS/AG/Int Server defending their Keep with Siege Weapons and winning? Forum posts: We bashed the German Blob out, thanks for the lootbags.
RS/AM/Ger Server defending their Keep with Siege Weapons and winning? Forum posts: The Germans only camp in their keeps even though they outnumber us 5:1 and could have killed us any time if they just went out instead of sitting in their ACs.

Thats whats getting on my (and probably the others) nerves. If you do it, its ok. If we do it, then thats the only thing we do and we suck.
Videos showing 40 AG defeating 35 RS (TUP Video from the other Thread) = AG defeating the German 80 Player Blob even though AG was outnumbered 5:1.

Its ridiculous.

I don’t think you can understand the viewpoint of the opponent servers unless you join them against your own. Maybe if you play against Vizunah for 6 weeks straight, you gonna understand what it’s like for AG to play against you.
This game’s limits are apparent to everyone with enough brains to think about them.

So, where is my promised spectator mode for WvWvW?

genowefapigwa.5769:

we are supporting the tier! Could you do it permanent please ?:D

How awesome would that be!
And spectator mode for this tier too!

Good luck for next matchup to all servers.
Hope we fight DL again with the same numbers :D

MrZigwah.2165:

Ok i am calling it now, AG will be facing RS and RS (RS have somehow self replicated ala Agent Smith) Either that or we face Sagitta Plaustrum (the god of Arrow carts)

War Dad TUP

Oh man, you did not break a mirror, did you??

Bloody.8940:

yesterday i outplayed 3 of you guys as thief.

Give a beer to the kid playing a thief and outplaying others! He deserves it!

dangerdoom.3862:

What do you like to do in your freetime?

Builc acs.
~ RS warrior.

Ps. Sorry i could not resist.

MRA.4758:

And here I am, once having thought highly of a guild like TUP.

But after reading this thread and the many sad and sorry excuses of their leaders and members for why they are not doing that fine in this match-up (of course, it must have been that their opponents are honorless dogs!) I guess that feeling is gone now. What hurts especially is the fact that so many of you are unable to show the slightest bit of respect for your opponents, or even openly show nothing but hate and disdain. This is something I will never understand.

It’s really a shame that the sad display of just a few players can harm the public perception of a server so harshly. Yet, I still firmly believe most players from AG are actually really ok. I just hope that if we inevitably meet tougher opponents in an upcoming week, the bad loosers from our server (which we quite obviously will also have a few of) will not give a similarly shameful display.

~MRA

Now i know who to blame when we lose a match: TUP! (lol)
They are too “rebel” for our server’s playstyle.
~ joke made by Marduk

How can one account one guild for a server’s “bad” performance is beyond me really. :O

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

I put it down to this:

Fun server you know which guild groups are on each server, what time they play and know you will have fun fights.
Some of these german servers, you dont know any of the guild on there at all, all you know is that they are the RS zerg or the AM zerg. MS and DL at least have the courage to push out and be in the open field.

I like Drakkar Lake too. They remind me of AG back in Tier 4’s first days: they push for SM when 2 other servers are already in, they go for the fight on the BLs and they don’t place excessive amounts of sieges. A really nice bunch of people to fight against.
Hope if they get more players they keep playing like that.

Kokolores.2643:

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why should we ? mybe we die outside and u can easily break the gates while we are running to the keep. there, you would block the entrance and nobody could came in anymore???

And does this mean anything in this matchup which you have already won from day 1???
The same with trebbing towers from a T3 Stonemist Castle when you already are double the points ahead.
I know that if you go up and fight Baruch Bay, you will need to do stuff like that for holding your ground and your points, but in matchups where you are on the safe side points-wise, you should try to play a little more “recklessly”.

SoggyFrog.4170:

Instead of expressing my feelings about AM in an inappropriate manner that would certainly have me infracted, I have decided to channel my energy through RAWK music.

Blob on Through (to the other side) by The PvDoors:

Inspiring! Thank you for the laughs.

I think that most players on DE servers have not understood yet that the way they play the game was buffed by Anet by 80%+ when the AC mastery got implemented. And since many people of their opponents do not care about Siege Wars, the opposition they face is even less.

At some point AG had the opportunity to avoid facing DE servers, but then the “random” matchups came to ruin this good mood.

So, the only fun right now is really watching GvGs in this game and the grand collisions during reset.

A player on the winning side have decided to run bets on who is gonna come 2nd or 3rd since they will win anyway and think that this is suspense???

Bad taste. :\

Nemesys.7251:

but just ignore them,dont retake keep/tower leave the map completly blue and just roam play,who care about keep or point really.

Also, think positively.
If you let them win big time this week, their rating will rise so much that they will get teamed up with servers from higher tiers than lower. Just help them go up to get rid of them.

edit: Some guy had the same thought about this issue. gratz riselight

Also, if any GvGs are arranged in this matchup, post a twitch link or sth so we can watch them.

What’s this obsession of winning matchups, anyway?

Hope to see more GvGs going on this week.
It’s a great show to watch!

So, any GvGs going to happen this week?
(not interested in the matchup at all…)

Caid.4932:

Norreka.8407:

you are the same as we are, as every server is.

lol … no

Every server has zergs, AM has nothing but zergs. Cowardly zergs that wont fight unless they outnumber you 3:1.
You are without doubt the WORST server I’ve ever had the misfortune to fight.
Your pretty much an advertisement for everything wrong with the game.

And the funny thing is that these players will soon have titles like Gold Legend and some hundreds of WEXP to spend on their siege masteries in order to play… even better this game!

Nah, it’s no good. It was ok before the buffed ACs. Now it’s just a game for german/french servers and with the random matchups you can’t even avoid playing against them.

I believe that the fact that people have been playing this game on different servers with different matchups and different hours will always lead one to have a different opinion than another.

However, from what you see in almost every thread in this game, it’s not a matter of player skill but a matter of numbers -> more supplies, more players to push on enemy territory so as to have time to upgrade yours and more players to downgrade the enemy towers too. Tiers do not solve this problem because you don’t get to face new opponents and guilds do not have a chance to meter their skills against others although this game is about Guilds.

No matter what kind of buffs you give to things, you should keep in mind that you give the same buffs to the stronger servers as well. So, you get to make things harder for the losing side as long as everything is down to logistics and numbers in the end.

My proposal for this game in order to be more competitive and in order for real strategy to shine is pretty simple:

Introduce more objectives on map to attack/defend instead of having vast, useless areas filled with animals and specific routes that give people little space to maneuver.
Ger rid of NPC Guards, Upgrades and Arrowcarts. Score will be determined based on the successful defences/attacks a server makes. No points will be added for holding for 8 hours (when everyone is sleeping) a structure and no upgrades will make this structure harder to get for the outmanned server.
Players will be responsible for the defence of an objective and not NPCs, which means that if everyone wants to roll in a group, whereas the other server has many small teams, the first server will lose ground. They need to implement a strategy on where to hit, what to hold, what not to hit. Every failed attempt will mean points for their opponents.
Attackers cannot dps the door, but defenders cannot hit them with arrowcarts too. It will be a matter of skill to kill the flame ram or catapult with players and also to prevent enemies from placing them instead of elementalists mist-forming in tower and manning sieges placed there beforehand while they were zerging elsewhre. Also, 1 normal ram per door, 1 catapult/trebuchet per wall is enough to make things spicy and more people will be rendered useless unlekittenting a big objective.

All in all, this game right now has come to a stalled state for many people fighting from the first month and seeing that everything is resolved only through numbers and “game breaking” groups still run around thinking that this is the way to play the game. Things will not be fixed with buffs on things that apply on all sides and also something that is a good solution for Tier 1 is a bad one for all the rest as long as this game remains the same in all its other aspects.

If we want WvWvW to have more depth, we need to make PvP its core and everyone should fight with their class skills only instead of manning arrowcarts and standing in the safety of a tower’s walls farming wexp and getting titles which hold no meaning as to their skill.

Riselight.3695:

I hope you are proud of yourselves AM & RS.
AM Blob attacking Veloka and RS blob attacking mendon.
Pathetic.

Exactly like the previous matchup!!! I feel for you, Gandara. Try to hang in there.

To be honest i thought that we would have gotten over the “ac mentality” in this bracket but i guess it’s not happening any time soon. Maybe Tier 6 is the place for Aurora Glade to be where ACs are not placed by enemy groups of 30 as soon as they cap a wooden tower in our turf…
Really boring to use the buffed arrowcarts for easy kills.

And 3 lols and omg! 7 rams vanished in 10 secs after being placed at watergate on blue keep on EB. That’s one of hell of a countermeasure lol!

Don’t judge AG’s numbers from this week’s game because we haven’t been Green for a long time and many may want POIs and such for legendary and they may hang around even more if things go well. That’s why personally i will avoid to play much too.

Nemesys.7251:

closed after 1min and 20 second still dont understand who play like that.

It’s the excitement of waiting for 1 skill to fire off after maybe 20 secs and then you go absolutely banana! about it. It’s all about skill after all.

Nauda.3678:

You now what bothers me the most? Next matchup the whole discussion will come up again just with Gandara instead of AG. And it won’t stop. And you know why? Because we discuss two different styles of playing WvW and it’s a matter of opinion and no simple right or wrong discussion. We have our PoV and you got you PoV and they will never be the same. This is also the reason why it’s getting quite in here: Almost everything has been said and there is just no need to discuss it again.

And that you have a seperate forum section for german speaking people so they can unload their whole thoughts there instead of here. I really hope that the new matchup system won’t get us against you for at least 3 weeks after the next one.

Few badges… and traps cost too much!

tygorn.7193:

Myrmidone.4362:

Amelia we did exactly this^^.
Both of your tips.
At the end it was a giant blob at your garrison.

Greet Myrmi

So you went to attack one of the last things ag owned(last keep on home border) with everyone and then complain about blobbing in the keep.

you also could, maybe, you know, move to another border perhaps?

AM had also 50 man group on map that they could easily engage in a good fight with RS forces. If they did not run as a group, they could hit bay fighting one RS guild (20 vs 20/pugs included) while the other group would fight the other RS guild in Garri, making it a fun 3-way fight with almost same numbers of 30vs30vs30.
Thing is that they seem to avoid each other. Nothing we can do about it, back to the trap placing… hehe…

There are 2 more days to use all our anti-supply traps on the mindless zergs that race against time and against each other as to who will cap our towers/keeps of AG first, fellow Gladians! Don’t let them go to waste!

Even their guilds decided that they are safe enough points-wise so as to have farming events at our Garrison during evenings.

These new traps are really fun… killing 200 supps in one go. Leaving the zerg with enough supps for a normal ram lol.

MRA.4758:

Having said that, I suggest just accepting (and loving or hating) the game for what it is, and not getting frustrated since things can get so severely unbalanced at times. In a global context, balanced coverage is an intractable problem, period. After all, there are hundreds of threads and thousands of posts in these forums and I haven’t seen a single reasonable suggestion of how to deal with it.

Personally, I take my satisfaction from the fine display of our server at times when we are at evenly numbered in forces with our opponents.

This game is played by players and is formed in a way by them.
Coverage issues is one factor that imbalances the game; players playing it safe to win points against outnumbered opponents all week long is another one, more serious for me and it’s the players’ choice.

MRA.4758:

Who cares for the points anyways, they are just a proxy to determine the next match-up.

Maybe you should read some posts above and you ’ll get the answer.

KrisHQ.4719:

I surely do not hope any fellow AG’ers are still playing WvW this week.

Sure we are. We are playing Troll Wars.
Troll RS and AM zergs of 30 that came on our BL for a walk during dead hours… Watch out for suicidal bombers, fellow opponents!

TWDuke.2138:

Amelia Knox.9362:

i’m sure that the commander of the blob know what is doing, but 90% of the people in blob they don’t know, the just attack,aoe, Pvdoor,build siege went someone drop it.

Starving for supply, scouting enemy that is basic stuff we do that all day long, you really think we don’t know strategy, what i’m saying is that there is more than that and is the real combat and is an other level of depth of the game that with blob you just do experience

@Tactic for ac, is treb, that’s it, is nothing difficult, when we can we do that, most of the time we don’t that because we simply don’t have the manpower.

Reality is you have Many more people than us and we can’t compete, no strategy or tactics can help with that, the game is design to let win the group with more people, you have many more than us, Gratz you win.

First point: If they listen to the commander, they will know.

Second: Yes, and this is what WvW is mainly about, but still, I ve seen a lot of people in this thread complaining about that, and calling it boring, and just wanting this “real combat”(spvp again) and nothing else, and then picking on other servers that do what wvw was made for.

Third: Yes, you dont have the manpower, and that is a pity. I would prefer if AG had, now it is just unbalanced, RS overwhelming AM most of the time and both RS and AM raiding AG for easy points. But this is not AMs or RSs fault. Or AGs. And it does not make the blobstyle wrong. Imho a few people (on all servers) are looking for the wrong things in WvW, and than complain if not all players and the other servers are looking for the same.

And again… Ask RS how well their strategies worked against the superior coverage servers of Tier 3 and come back to talke about WvWvW being a game of strategy.

I had the same idea for the game but soon abolished it.

TWDuke.2138:

“Too bad that 3 VM guys had to kill me because they were so kill deprived on map that they ganked on guy who did not fight back watching the show…” I thought most AG players are looking for that? Fights just to kill? And when they have the chance, they complain too? I really do not understand the AG mindset …they just want to fight, fight, fight, on open field, and are complaining if other servers are playing for points instead. Sounds boring to me, and like they would prefer to mindless slaughter other guilds or get slaughtered by them. Booooring – I like AM and RS – Style more, because more strategy is needed for that, you always have to keep in mind what is going on on the other borderlands, you have to take keeps and guard them, see where incs are and what can be attacked easily, watch out for enemy groups with scouts and so on. Takes more strategy than this simple: uh, we are a guild, we want to fight a other guild and kill them, boring, sounds more like a horde of mongols than anything else. In real life, no commander-in-chief, general or whatever would do this, just sending their soldiers out to kill something, they always try to hold what they captured and capture new cities and so on.

I was at AM BL, near RS spawn. I was watching a massive battle of enemy guilds clashing by myself and got ganked by 3 people and you base your logic on my experience??? Better take another example.

About the tactics going on, this game is not based on equality, so no. Tactics do not cover for absence of players. Ask RS to tell you if their tactics had any impact during their stay in Tier 3 or no.

They already said what they are doing, kruimeltje.
They are playing for easy points, not for glory of the epic siege battle! So, they are hitting the guys which have no upgraded towers and no people to defend them. Easy points, easy way to go up in ratings as a server, and that’s it.

I would like to see however what would happen if Miller’s Sound gets in Tier 4 and everyone plays the same way…

draugris.9872:

@All

Funny how all the accusations are the same, only the server is exchangeable. Maybe the truth is that every server blobs, every server cheats and every server hides from time to times. Imo Arenanet is very lucky that WvW players seem to be different than SPvP players. WvW players are so busy accusing each other, maybe this time would be better invested in demanding bug fixes, performance improvements and new features from Arenanet for the game mode we are all so excited about. With that said, we are all in the same boat, respect yourself, respect your enemy.

At the same time, because skill lag is not a bug, but something generated by numbers hitting skills simultaneously at one place, you can ask other servers (and hope to be listened) to lower their numbers and let you have at least some fun…
WvWvW is not as easily manageable as sPVP. One change affects 100 players on map and not 8 or 5. So, it’s better to try and not abuse its mechanisms than wait for fixes that may or may not happen (due to technicla restrictions also).

Myrmidone.4362:

btw……..as you probably know you already won a matchup against us at the past, sure it was cause of your skill and not cause of the night coverage of certain AG Guilds;-)……..legit for me but it seems that you take the whole thing way too serious think about it.

One time does not prove that night coverage did it all, Myrmidone. It was one time and our night coverage crews have been running for weeks. Not to say that they were fighting upgraded with waypoint Keeps and some 20 inside manning acs and not NPC’s, even at night.
I don’t care though if we win or lose, but like people say: let us have our fun and you can have yours. (less blobs, less skill lag and you can keep your T3 structures)

Myrmidone.4362:

You lose cause you lost many guilds and are complaining all day long.
We dont have more numbers than usual.
To the KISS guy i am still waiting;-)

So, it’s just a numbers game, afterall.
Thanks for confirming it from your side too.
Have fun PvDing our stuff while we wait to go for fights in Tier 5.
You also lack in coverage when you go to Tier 3, so your tactics in Tier 4 prove actually nothing rating and points-wise, skill-wise too.

As for fights, i liked one highlight yesterday of AM fighting RS [dw] guild on AM borderland.
2 groups of AM, 1 PuG based with commander and 20 and 1 ADAC guild with another 20 (non-guildies included) in order to bring down [dw] guild. Too bad that 3 VM guys had to kill me because they were so kill deprived on map that they ganked on guy who did not fight back watching the show…

Marcy.6498:

. In the past we reached this number easy but on RS most people are not intrested in WvW.

Yeah right. And we lose because all these enemies we face each day are just bots…

No guilds transferred to you, Viking???
You had more people than RS at almost all times. How is this possible for a Tier 5 server and so suddenly?

Viking.1285:

Lol, I hope so too. Because Tier 4 is just boring right now. Even our lower bracket was harder for us. Ranik and FSP put up really hard fights for us execpt maybe the last week.

Maybe last week something happened, like 3-4 guilds from Kodash transferring to you??? Also, this week AG lost some players who transferred too, so we are in a resting mode.

To be honest, i don’t care about blobbing. This is something that is created by the map itself and by the game. If you can leave your tower cause you know you have guards, reinforced doors, supervisor lord and etc which will make attackers waste a full 5 mins to take it down, what’s the point of staying there? It would be more exciting to have players guard towers (with no arrowcarts too,) so that it would be a Player vs Player situation at all times and if you wanted to hold things, you cannot blob your way up. Now it’s a [Player vs Guard+ACs+Doors/Walls+Players] situation.

My only problem in this game is that it helps too much the server with the most players online. It’s not your skill that got you first place this week. It’s just your coverage, more numbers at all times.
You see, German Servers like RS and AM got the Stonemist Castle to waypoint status all weeks they were in this bracket. AG can hardly get it to reinforced walls and the reason for that is that we lack the numbers to cope with you at morning hours.
The same goes for Hills at AG BL. AM got it to waypoint status and guarded it like a vault with a ton of arrowcarts that Anet buffed as a gift to your playstyle, in all honesty.

So, my problem is not that servers blob, cause blobs can go down if you have the right builds and such (although skill lag will be there to kill you). Problem is that servers win due to this game favoring the server with more active players all day long.

Viking.1285:

Sorry but who are you to tell us how to play? Apparently we are doing something right because we are leading. If you dont like our playstyle it´s your problem.

Hope you say the same at Tier 3 when you get crushed by more people doing the same thing right… And i hope you get to Tier 3 soon.

Numbers don’t lie, guys.
If you want to see who has most players at all times, check the score. The 1st in any matchup is the one who can field more players at all times and cap T3 structures with numbers. Otherwise is pretty impossible.
The last one in the matchup is the guy who fields less playes→less blobs from him.

The only times AG moved up places in Tier 4 was when one server has come down from Tier 3 out of steam and we easily got their stuff. Otherwise, we always struggle at last position. I hope that we will get down a Tier however, cause it’s not fun to fight against superior numbers who also use arrowcarts too much every chance they get.

From which BL is this video and with what upgrades on Towers/Keeps?
Seeing both Bay and Hills Green, it must be Gandara BL and AG had taken south Towers. And judging from the numbers of your players at the end, wiping “reddies”, if AG ever wanted to take a Keep, the attack would need another 30 to be successful and fast. :P

W3 is a numbers game but you probably have never tried to defend a wooden door of a tower with 5 vs 50 who just dpsed the door placing no rams at all, even though 3 acs where firing at them and noone got killed.