Guild Wars 2

Jeydra.4386:

1) Have an experienced player on TS as well. Said player can and should make calls or overrule decisions if he feels it’s warranted. It’s similar to how doctors are trained: an experienced doctor will always supervise the new doctor, and will step in (hopefully) before the new doctor screws up.

You know what, the fairweather and pve/pvx players are flooding EBBL 24/7 nowadays. WVW guilds can hardly get their guild members into EB lets not say experienced commanders from same guild.
You’ll find half map zerg gone nowhere. Half that follow the commanders think it is a karma train on reset night, keep LFG and escape during open field fight.
Teaching those new pug how to wvw can be really frustrating especially when most of them refuse to get into TS or reading map chat. Grub seems more important to them.
With pug of this quality, you should be grateful when commanders in EB are willing to tag up as this is undoubtedly the most challenging and mentally torturing task of the whole league.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Kiff.8157:

I have a serious question since this is a press release. Miss Fannwong, how do you see this committe in next five years and your marriage with Christopher Lee?

Edit: sorry make that two questions

You mean Christopher DANGER?

She divorced LEE and married DANGER?

Deli.1302:

How can this be a press release when there’s no press?

you don’t say, CNN is reading this

geekanerd.4123:

To be fair, the queues on SoR have cleared up considerably as of late. But there was a point there — and I’m sure all the T1 servers experienced this — where even on a Monday or Tuesday night you’d be in queue 3 hours before you could get on a map.

You did? If you meant any map. Sorry I did not experience that. It was only EB that queued for hours.

Hobbitz.5831:

KISS = gone
DIE = gone
RISE = gone
IRON = wrex out sick
FEAR = ace college, dgins got banned
TW = old and faded, everyone hates his majesty

Hire, GC and Hel have to be getting tired of carrying the server.

you’ve missed out their SEA force.

Fannwong.3059:

I don’t understand this, are you being sarcastic? Also, “Apology if that offended you” is not an apology. It should go “I apologize for offending you”.

To the rest of the readers I am sorry I can’t continue the conversation as I find it difficult to understand Kiff. I will cease this particular conversation thread. I was hoping to have a fruitful discussion but I don’t think it’s possible.

FW

Yes, please stop posting if you are like everyone else blaming SOR loss on ZDs and are likely to ignore that BG NA was winning prior to their arrival.

I don’t see what’s wrong with me saying if offended you. Like I mentioned, you may see it as a personal attack but I didn’t want to make assumption before you confirmed that you actually despised a culture. Anyways, you’ve made it very clear now. I apologize for offending you

Fannwong.3059:

Going by the same logic, could you let us know how long ZDs will play out of their timezones? Just so we can have some hope of slowing or stopping the arms race even further. BG NA and OCN have been extending hours for the last few months and the rest of T1 suspects that this will continue till the season ends. If you can clarify BG guild’s extension of playtime that will help all all the T1 servers.

Do bear in mind that Jang Gun (and the rest of WM and militia) played from 1am to 7am (Korean time) for 2 weeks, so can we safely assume that playing out of normal time zones will be 3-6 months (not “everyday forever and ever”) going by the same logic again.

Just FYI, BG NA won the ppt before ZDs arrived and we were not losing or were you suggesting that SOR was 2v1 BG with TC? I am completely fine if you insisted to put two different situations in same plate. Having said that IRON played outside of their timezone that is 12-2am GMT+8 for the past few months. Should we not assume that there was a very high possibilities that they would repeat that for the next few years and you see, we invited ZDs.
I see no reason you should complain about that now.

Speaking of arms racing, would you mind to let us know the exact hours IRON and other SOR guilds are going to do overtime/early raid? I agree we totally have to help all T1 servers.

Fannwong.3059:

Please don’t go ad hominem, it’s extremely rude and uncivil. Please refrain from personal attacks and stick to the discussion or else we will not have a common ground to discuss. Even when I was talking to Karp (sorry Karp I have to quote you because you are courteous even in PMs, I appreciate that we can communicate like mature adults) we could have a hot discussion without going personal. 2 things to clarify:

1. I’ll repeat myself so that it’s clearer. It’s not just about a Korean guild, there’s also militia and other guilds from Kaineng that followed Jang. As I stated, it was one of the key reasons, not the only reason.

2. The other 56% was HB an EU guild that was pushing BG’s EU. So it wasn’t just the KN transfers.

I assume those from Kaineng are either NA/OCX/SEA timezone as I don’t remember any EU guild from Kaineng. Like I said, you cared about your winning at that point and failed to see it in a long term case. I followed WM and raid to 4am and that was only the first day and I gave up.

BG saw IRON blob as a threat who raid right after SEA ends together with militia, ex-KISS members, some other guilds who stay late or wake up early. The same way SOR thought BG EU was a threat when WM ran EU. I can say BG felt the same based on your logic and we invited ZDs. Any better reason for finger pointing now? That will never end.

As for personal attacks, it means you think that is a bad thing I don’t think it is very nice for you to say that :P I thought that was a compliment saying that you really showed you belonged to a nation. Apology if that offended you.

Elano.2014:

Kiff.8157:

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BP isn’t a SEA guild… Probably why you never heard of them.

Anywho, I’m not going to keep posting about stuffs you clearly don’t know. You wouldn’t change your mind anyway.

Exactly. When db friends who involved in all these dramas told me the story why would I believe your version when I already knew the fact? Yeah, save it, please.

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Kiff,

My apologies, I am not aware of forum wars. I tend to skip some of the posts as I miss some of the nuance and humor as I am Asian and don’t really understand sarcasm.

I am observing WvW most of the time. If I remember correctly, when my old guild WM transferred with a large following of Kaineng folks they played in SEA time for about 1-2 weeks then mysteriously moved to EU time hitting JQ and SOR (12am to 6am GMT+8) with PPT of 300-500+. Please check the MOS data if you can, I’ve been looking at that for some time.

That was one of the key reasons why SOR welcomed IRON, BUT when IRON came Jang Gun (my old boss who’s on my friend list) left the game after 1-2 weeks. We were mystified as to why but when Jang left BG EU forces was about 46% less effective as Jang had a huge following with organized guild groups and militia/pugs. Is that what you meant by PVDoor? I am not familiar with the exact mechanics of the term.

FW

First of all, this was how I felt. I was there when WM joined us and it really boosted our low morale after being 2v1 (you may check mos). I believe Jang was just as excited as we were. Please bear in mind, every server will be excited when new guild transferred to help include the guild members themselves. Winning was the only way to rebuild our morale at that time. I hope you get what I meant now.

Second of all, korean is GMT +9 if I am not wrong. Failed to see that assuming korean folk would raid during EU timezone everyday forever and ever and ignored the facts that it was only a temporarily effect is not our fault that you recruited IRON and made them pvdoor (I assume you tried finger pointing at BG and WM for causing all of this EU pvdoor in the first place).

This kiasu characteristic you totally showed has now changed my view of you and thank you for telling me it was because of a korean guild that you invited IRON an EU guild.

Anyways, the point is Tarkus still plays during early EU. Like SOR had previously pointed out that they were not pvdooring because Tarkus was there to stop them. The same thing I will repeat to you.

Thanks for sharing.

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Kiff,

I thought Tarkus was Oceanic, he told me that he lived in Oz.

ZD runs a very tight blitzball with a core of 30-40+ that is nearly unstoppable except in certain environments eg chokepoints and highly coordinated guild groups, the only group with that level of expertise from JQ that can beat ZD would be ATM/FOO. Not that I underestimate Tarkus/MERC but unless more JQ OCN/SEA groups change their open field tactics/ideology it will be plenty hard let alone match ZD numbers.

FW

LOL. Amazed how things could slip your mind so fast. More than one time in our history of forum war, BG whined about how SOR IRON faced no resistance during EU timezone and how SOR claimed that Tarkus was leading MERC and map blob besides HB/RK during EU timezone so it was all bs about IRON pvdooring.

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Darkjoy,

Unfortunately Waha logs in about 7:25pm (GMT+8) and plays till about 12am (occasionally to 12:55am).

ZDs full turn out starts from approx 11:15pm that lasts for about 3-4 hours. Which is a dead zone for JQ and SOR. Unless JQ SEA plays till past midnight till 2am they will not be able arrest ZDs push.

FW

Darkjoy.3092:

The problem is JQ isn’t in our match ups. ZD will have the full force of Waha / Atm / Foo to log into every day

How could everyone forget about Tarkus?

Elano.2014:

BP as the guild… Shows how you want to bash others without doing any actual research.

Also your logic needs some serious help. DB was dominating SEA in T2, so SONG moved to help SoR SEA. I don’t know what didn’t match with what I said before.

It amused me how you were chuffed by yourself when someone never heard of your guild not even when DB fought T1 servers long while ago, instead he remember TFV, NNK, Wily and thought BP was Borlis Pass LOL.

I don’t really want to refute your claim that SONG moved to help SOR but I understand that the week after DB fought BG/JQ, they felt intensely demoralised and started having internal argument and I think it was the same week SONG transferred off. TFV who has always been the core SEA guild of DB was advised by those who had moved to SOR to move as well because they thought that DB WVW was stagnant and hopeless. I don’t see any reason they needed to persuade DB asian players to join T1 servers if they really intended to help balancing a timezone, not mentioning quite a number of DB players included TFV/NNK members (and Elano from BP -not borlis pass) followed SONG and joined SOR.
I strongly reckon this was one of the reasons DB SEA went downhill especially when TFV planned to move off to SOR as well after being advised. Good intention to balance SEA? Don’t think so.

whoa sos is back in the game
who wants some *popcorn

Fannwong.3059:

4. I talk to some of your leaders like Karp (btw he’s a standup guy IRL) and he told me that you guys were solid 4 map queued early in the week. Perhaps you would like the correlate your info with him before posting erroneous data.

Apology to butt in. To support and in addition to what Necro said, he meant last night and we did not have queue on BGBL as well as SOSBL.
The 300+ppt of sor last for about 20 minutes or so I couldn’t recall correctly but over the night, SOR had very close ppt to BG.

Elano.2014:

Ah, so I get the mindset of a few BG people now. For all those deciding to transfer to BG – please do ask for them to pay 100% of your transfer fees.

@ Kiff: I’m not from NNK or TFV. But stir up drama? If those haven’t transferred here, BG would probably still dominate SEA. I guess that’s what you want, huh? Domination instead of good guilds to fight against.

@ Jon: 300ish in their roster? Not very sure about how many transferred here, but according to some EU friends they could field 2 30-40 men groups on 2 BLs back in the days.

Edit: I’ll just say I was from BP, but decided to move to SoR during the summer when both JQ and BG dominated the period I play in.

Nah…you were from DB.

If SONG moved because BG was dominating SEA and dominating seems not a good thing, DB was dominating SEA in their tier before they losing guilds and then SONG decided to transferred off. I guess dominating SEA at that time means a good thing to you huh?

Elano.2014:

JaredKincade.9761:

Before I start let me clarify something that people like to forget. I can’t speak for all servers, but I know enough about what’s going on BG to know that BG has never ever given more than the cost of a guild to move. In fact, I know of no particular case where it was more than 50% of the moving costs. In ZDs case, it was much much less. So for the definition of helping guilds move, or “buying” I’m talking about 50% or less than the guild cost to move.

50% is a lot of money, especially for a large guild like ZDs. If they moved 100 members (which I know for sure it is an underestimation) here, it’ll be a little bit under 3000G? Isn’t that buying, if you’re not hoping that they will return the money? I mean, most of the WvW’ers can make enough gold to transfer themselves at least a few times.

In your mindset giving gold is considering buying even it is only 1 copper. Influence for upgrading guilds involves a lot of gold. Wait a minute, oh yeah, you are one of the TFV or NNK members who transferred along with SONG back in June stirring up drama but couldn’t get your guild to transfer over so you did not have a guild to rebuild so you have no idea. That makes sense now.

Jet.4795:

Kiff.8157:

Kimhyuna.1035:

Titan.3472:

UltraHiDef.4809:

All BGs wanting to be #1 are hilarious.

I want more… I want SoR to fall apart.

See this is why people hate BG.

I heard that when JQ went to T2 for the first time few months ago and when they were back to T1, for the very first time, JQ and SOR 2v1ed BG for 7 days long at some point BG ppt dropped to less than 50 all because someone on SOR wanted BG guilds and community to fall apart? (source from JQ)

Your source is wrong.

o’ really, cuz waha admitted it publicly no one knew the motives behind but he just told

Axle.5182:

In all fairness Bull coming to SOR if they can field similar numbers to at least COIN is a good thing. This will give BG’s larger EU guilds a reason to split up instead of focusing the only single guild IRON that can fight them 1v1.

JQ yes have less EU but they have not relied on EU to win they are the strongest overall and not in a single time zone. From an EU guild perspective going to JQ would be a horrible experience finding yourself facing not Just SOR’s IRON, AFTL, WIK but also BG’s ZD’s COIN, HB, PLX

New guy to T1. History of JQ they always relied on their SEA. But SEA along couldn’t give them victory. They were once like SOR, fight for fun not ppt. Anyways, they want #1 of first season, so they called for donation. Then they recruited NA which was a good thing, for a period of time we had very balanced T1.
However, they got intel saying that SOR was doing mass recuitment so they recruited WVW, a 30-40 man SEA guild from TC.
When everyone at their forum blaming them for stacking SEA, they instead criticised all these people for not realizing SOR was doing secret recruitment. Then we all know they recruited MERC. The day when all MERC moved to jq, Waha openly said he had completed his ‘puzzle’.
They used to rely on their SEA and now definitely ocx/sea.

Cynz.9437:

Neuromancer.2148:

Kimhyuna.1035:

Titan.3472:

UltraHiDef.4809:

All BGs wanting to be #1 are hilarious.

I want more… I want SoR to fall apart.

See this is why people hate BG.

Because of one random, untagged BG member with a long history of intentional trolling? Every server has those, why the special ire for the one from BG?

because ppl see BG tag and assume all BG is like that…at least so i was told

That’s exactly how I measure all SOR.

SleepingDragon.1596:

Kiff.8157:

Actually I just wanted to hint you where you may get some gold on your server.

Actually I might be going to BG. I want some of that 15k per guild that is being offerred. I bring my guild over. It’s less than 10 people. I think I might make money at that rate. Prepare that warchest and send money my way. I promise to stay longer than some of your hired mercenaries.

Brilliant. In that way you may be bought back to JQ for like 30k gold. That’s a good deal for a small guild, even MERC had only 30k.
Join us and fight for us. I will join your guild then and to be bought by JQ.
I hope you don’t mind I bandwagoning.

SleepingDragon.1596:

Kiff.815

Nah…I suggested you to borrow some gold from Waha.

You seem to be so into Waha and ATM/FOO? Any reasons? The last time I’ve ever played along side with him and his guild was back when they were in ET. That’s more than a year ago. Hardly bump into him anymore. Probably because I’m not on during his primetime???

Somehow I get obsessed with bald guys.

Actually I just wanted to hint you where you may get some gold on your server. Why don’t you write him a letter? He loves to write people letters.

Titan.3472:

BG can’t be held responsible for SoR failure in league S01.

Nah….it is totally our fault. We are rich, we have charm, we have no Indo nor iron we have gold.

SleepingDragon.1596:

Nah… I don’t think ATM/FOO does GvG. ZD does and it might be free. You folks didn’t pay them the 15k gold as promised. Not very nice. Start your fundraiser and collect at Lion’s Arch. LOL.

Nah…I suggested you to borrow some gold from Waha.

SleepingDragon.1596:

Aikanaro.2609:

Last time we fought against GD/VII/ Scnd, they’ve quickly switched to ebg because of wiping. I do not blame VII nor Scnd because they are lacking numbers against us (clearly 25-40 is not funny). You know, GvG (aka team deathmatch) is not the same as WvW.
Well, back to the topic. I heard BG did pay us 15k gold and wants to pay more? So, where can I get my gold? I’ll send some to those poor IRON guys, who do not get enough attention nowadays and attention whoring as much as they can.

Did I miss something? Ah, yes. Ze gold. Send it now, BG!

LOL. Yes, I was looking at some of them GvG where the numbers were even. As for WvW, it’s still a numbers game. If you can outnumbered your opponents badly, you can win it quite easily.

You’re asking BG to pay you 15k gold or more? If you haven’t gotten it yet, then they probably shafted you. I’ll ask for the money and if they don’t pay up as promised, you sit at spawn. No money, no service. You don’t want to work for free do you? If so, I might want to hire a few of your best players just to do some GvG so I can make my guild into the top 100 list. I can only afford free.

I suggest you to seek for Waha. He may borrow you some.

Lets bet how much did IRON pay UltraHiDef as their pvf?

SleepingDragon.1596:

Maelwaedd.5842:

JQ’s EU of Tofu and Soul Reapers and Merc

I don’t think Merc is EU guild. Tofu and SR combined probably fields less than HB, RK, COIN or ZD. You can just pick any one of those 4 guilds and they’ll outblob JQ’s EU. Heck, if I remember correctly… Iron used to be able to outblob the entire JQ’s EU easily. JQ’s EU isn’t a threat to anyone at this time. Maybe BG can let us borrow HB and RK so ZD and COIN don’t get bored when JQ and BG crosses paths.

Interesting, when Tarkus and Ralikh were still on BG and commanded through EU timezone, JQ together with SOR flamed MERC for blobbing during EU timezone. Let me see, so when they were on BG, their existence during EU timezone were so obvious to JQ. But when they are on JQ, they are nothing. This is fun.

Azure.8412:

declan.3968:

There are only two reasons why EU guild would transfer to NA server

1) Stack the server
2) Fight other Eu guilds

IRON you ought to be ashamed of yourself for doing 1) when there wasn’t any reason for 2), and now you flame ZDs because they are transferring for reason 2) ? Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

IRON has been playing every single day. They may be fielding less due to some issues atm, but they’re still playing. Just because you’re blind doesn’t mean they aren’t playing.

I think if you re-read his post, it is not what he meant.

If everyone keeps this rate of posting, we may hit 51 pages before the reset. GoGo

kraftie.4765:

Blackgate + ZDs vs SoR thread Gold League Round 3

Basically ZDs did not involve but these people mentioned ZDs more than Justin Bieber.

DKNS.2135:

Just an FYI, someone already asked ZDs in-game when the SS were first posted and there is no one called “….. Jeep” in their roster, let alone them sending him to scout SoR.

That was second account of one of their members as the person jeep particularly explained he would leave that account on SOR.

TWKats.2785:

Bashido.8694:

Cant we all just get along! What names?

“I’d just like to leave this here, ZD DID in fact approach me to come to SoR, I told them to wait and see how things turn out before they did. I also told them we had no intention of stacking SoR and that they may not want to come at all. Fact of the matter is, they had no intention of thinking or bringing balance and neither did the BG leadership. Attached is the screenshot of the conversations with the ZD “scout” who was on SoR. Anyone who says that SoR is in the business of stacking to win has no clue of what they are talking about. I told him he should talk to IRON before moving over to SoR because we did not want to stack our server for a win. We wanted competition.

As far as ZD actually coming over, no other guild in ANY time zone runs 50-60 man deep. They run that heavy in a dead zone and it will bring BG the victory without competition. Also, in the SS is him telling me BG offered them 15k gold to xfer over."

-Indo

You know what, I’ve got a brilliant idea. You see 2nd account? Why not Indo gets a 2nd account and post on the forum by himself? I think it is like 30 bucks something? It amuses me every time I read his messages. It’s exactly like time travelling back to old ancient time where the royal messengers read the message from a goatskin scroll.

I suppose BG won’t mind sparing some gold from the warchest?

UltraHiDef.4809:

Whoa?! You must be a genius! How’d you find out I’m from SoR?

You rage and transferred?

UltraHiDef.4809:

KeeZee.7312:

insy.7083:

For not understanding:
ZBs = ZDs, WWW roster named ZBs in guild ZDs on SFR.

Guys from SoR, r u joking when u blame ZDs in yr defeat?
So many messages about ZDs.. Hm. Thx for PR.
But be better if u will fight vs BG in game.
Thank you.

BG was already beating SoR without ZD, you are correct.

So don’t you think BG buying ZD doesn’t put it in the stacked category?

Of course it does.

And that’s what BG does.

BG never buys guilds, and never over stacks, what are you talking about? It’s all mad skillz. http://blackgatewvw.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1380-bg-arms-race-fundraiser/

What have ZDs done to you, boy? Did they hurt you? coz you sound exactly like most of the NA players from SOR or JQ. Definitely not EU.

Azure.8412:

Arcade.8901:

Elano.2014:

Kiff.8157:

Few ZDs around and one of them tagged up, leading the pugs with no one on TS we held bay and started to raid the north part. There was still 1 hour before SEA prime time ended. Soon we capped one of the north towers knowing the next target would be garrison, SONG/NYS and the whole map zerg logged off leaving only few pugs in garrison holding it.

You mean this one? Yeah, it was quite a few. :P

SoR keep posting that screen for like what, 4th time already ? Anyway check the minimap and the green dots around, you had the same numbers, the only thing you are failed into is gathering and push, but that is all about fights right? Better to log off and try to whine on forums.

You obviously need to learn to count the green dots. Good try though. Blobbing FTW. Blob more please ZDs.

Is it the same night? I remember when we wiped SOR and took the tower, sor gone disappeared from the map. Nice timing.

Kreamciqul.4617:

MagiKarp.8201:

RiSE left to find greater challenges and less zergs, don’t know why they came back to T1, another Irony considering Jarvan has quit the game on SoR.

Hmm, Jarvan has quit the game on SoR? Man thanks, that’s news to me! Know your facts before posting please

can someone confirm this? coz if it is false, that will be very interesting

Prophet.1038:

Coming from a rallian point of view.

Tarkus – 1
Karps – 0

I have seen the post where Tarkus trashed talk his ex guildies on JQ forum and I am BG so +1 to pokemon god.

Atine.8623:

Kiff.8157:

If he/she ever bothered to read, then he/she would realize that I mentioned, ND floated to help bgbl.

It’s kind of fun seeing you “joggling” around the question Elano is trying to obtain an answer of. I believe what Elano is asking is :

“I’d like to know what numbers you think we have.”

If you don’t know, please say you don’t know. If you don’t want to answer, please say you don’t want to answer. If you would like to answer, please do so.

I think we can all read that he/she never mentioned that he/she is interested in ND floating to BGBL.

I see it now as I focus on the number of that night. Who gives a kitten to their SEA number when I already know their typical answers which have been repeated by them over and over again on chinese forum.

Do you want me to describe all the reactions they will give when I say a thing about SOR SEA? Quite interesting.

Elano.2014:

Kiff.8157:

“Few ZDs in bay and they started the raid after defending bay” do they sound any different to you? Did I say that is 10 ZDs? Clearly I was being sarcastic. Again, I would like to remind you, I said few ZDs when we were defending bay. I hope you get the sequence now.
Since you kept asking, your servermate mentioned there were 4 borderlands queued during SEA prime. False statement?

Like I stated, I know exactly how many people we’ve got… I’m interested in how many people you think we’ve got.

What statement?

Lol, never noticed what your servermates said on the forum?

Anyways, I see you have 50-60 when running full map. deny all you want, cuz sor SEA never want to include pugs. You only see your guildies, thats why song always claim they have only 15 max.

Atine.8623:

Kiff.8157:

They look very red?
I get it now. 10 enemies are considering a lot to SOR SEA. 10 SOR = very few. Am I right?
I will try to screenshot but actually you can flip a few pages like page 11? There is a screenshot of sor map blob and a real ZDs group which you can call that a lot I don’t mind, like 20-30 of them?

Problem is, dear Kiff, SEA guild(s) is what Elano was hoping to see. Not paying attention and actually read the words is probably what caused this thread to become so long.

Btw, there are no pics on page 11, but if you were referring to page 10…

If he/she ever bothered to read, then he/she would realize that I mentioned, ND floated to help bgbl.

Elano.2014:

Kiff.8157:

They look very red?
I get it now. 10 enemies are considering a lot to SOR SEA. 10 SOR = very few. Am I right?
I will try to screenshot but actually you can flip a few pages like page 11? There is a screenshot of sor map blob and a real ZDs group which you can call that a lot I don’t mind, like 20-30 of them?

The screenshot I posted is 10? :/

I’m not very interested in EU, since that is way beyond the official SEA prime time that you and I can play (so per you claim). Our SEA however, I know exactly how many are on the field, and I’d like to know what numbers you think we have.

“Few ZDs in bay and they started the raid after defending bay” do they sound any different to you? Did I say that is 10 ZDs? Clearly I was being sarcastic. Again, I would like to remind you, I said few ZDs when we were defending bay. I hope you get the sequence now.
Since you kept asking, your servermate mentioned there were 4 borderlands queued during SEA prime. False statement?

Elano.2014:

Kiff.8157:

Oh really, I thought I said there was few around and we held bay? The picture clearly showed ‘after’ we defended. Hell yeah, they started to rally.
Should I post a picture of HOD WVW way back during TA era and tell HOD gosh darn you all, you guys are so stacked.

Your “a few” is clearly different from mine. That’s not something I can change…

Anyway, I’ve always wanted to know what our SEA guilds look like in the eyes of enemies. Can you please take screenshots later tonight? Also, if you could add your estimation about our numbers it would be awesome.

They look very red?
I get it now. 10 enemies are considering a lot to SOR SEA. 10 SOR = very few. Am I right?
I will try to screenshot but actually you can flip a few pages like page 11? There is a screenshot of sor map blob and a real ZDs group which you can call that a lot I don’t mind, like 20-30 of them?

Elano.2014:

Kiff.8157:

Few ZDs around and one of them tagged up, leading the pugs with no one on TS we held bay and started to raid the north part. There was still 1 hour before SEA prime time ended. Soon we capped one of the north towers knowing the next target would be garrison, SONG/NYS and the whole map zerg logged off leaving only few pugs in garrison holding it.

You mean this one? Yeah, it was quite a few. :P

Oh really, I thought I said there was few around and we held bay? The picture clearly showed ‘after’ we defended. Hell yeah, they started to rally.
Should I post a picture of HOD WVW way back during TA era and tell HOD gosh darn you all, you guys are so stacked.

Relentliss.2170:

DKNS.2135:

This match-up has been like Karmic Justice to SoR. Even if somehow BG doesn’t win the league, we will still remember it for bringing so many SoR players to tears in the match-ups that entailed.

Don’t know about tears. Boredom really. The match up is so unfun I was able to get in a game of golf and catch up on some TV.

It was always fun to fight against BG in the past they had good coverage and good guilds. They seemd like arrogant jerks but your foe always seems that way. Now they have the largest pop 24/7 and pay the other server to double team you. Typical American sort of mentality where buying a victory and chest thumping seems to be the go, rather than hard work and good play.

Enjoy your pvdoor and shameful victory. I enjoyed my round of golf.

where is the play for fun and fights not for ppt? you contradict the ivy league. that’s not good.

dragon.8071:

Kiff.8157:

dragon.8071:

MagiKarp.8201:

MERC never left, only a few people seeking easier shores and to win ppt war (ironic given ur post), they didn’t fit in on BG anymore.

not according to comrade kiff. he say merc left. you now say few people left. you lie or comrade kiff?

a graduate failed to see what the mighty pokemon was trying to do

comrade kiff. you funny guy. you contradict comrade magikarp. you still play pokemon? maybe me get you a pikachu for shock therapy.

nah you don’t see what pokemon was doing because you no play pokemon. see the little fish above you?

btw, pikachu is no more a trend, magikarp is like god, you basically can trade them for any starter I am serious.

dragon.8071:

MagiKarp.8201:

MERC never left, only a few people seeking easier shores and to win ppt war (ironic given ur post), they didn’t fit in on BG anymore.

not according to comrade kiff. he say merc left. you now say few people left. you lie or comrade kiff?

a graduate failed to see what the mighty pokemon was trying to do

dragon.8071:

Kiff.8157:

It doesn’t change the fact that you’re a SOR just because you studied overseas. Trolling with a degree its still a sor trolling. My question is still valid.

comarade, you have failed to understand sor. i will provide you a letter of recommendation to mag u. you will learn a lot and you will not ask boring questions. your question is invalid. next.

the ivy league pride much huh? Did you not know that SOR University is now officially ranked #1 of the world?

dragon.8071:

Kiff.8157:

why would you care about BG pvdoor if you play for fun and for fights? This is something someone who cares nothing but fun and fight will never post.

did you not find out where i graduate from? read it. learn it. study it. then respond.

It doesn’t change the fact that you’re a SOR just because you studied overseas. Trolling with a degree its still a sor trolling. My question is still valid.

dragon.8071:

Sunt.6835:

Today i saw SoR NA came to play, you could see PPT were very balanced.

most of u guys just don’t play.

the truth hurts. sor does not play for ppt. sor plays for fun and for fights. too bad i won’t be able to stay up late to fight door busters.

why would you care about BG pvdoor if you play for fun and for fights? This is something someone who cares nothing but fun and fight will never post.

Atine.8623:

I hope a NYS person can confirm this but, NYS was never in SORBL last week.

I saw some NYS but I don’t think they commanded that BL. It should be SONG and the other commander. A very well coordinated double groups commanding.

Keiel.7489:

I don’t know who fired the first shots, but to answer your question on my end and probably a lot of other rallians. The fact that BG is saying SoR has completely given up the fight, which is not true, we are not fighting as hard as the first 2 weeks because most of us are used to only playing within our time zones and minimally outside of it, when the league started the feveor of 1st place took over and many people overplayed. After the weekend is over our score grdually tanked in the first week, then drop massively in the 2nd week. Most of us realise there is no way we can compete with the coverage. certain times of the day we can only maintain and slowly bleed until our timezone ends and SEA/Early NA takes over, by then we have lost by many PPT.

Start of the 3rd week, PPT war has ended for SoR, we went back to just playing in our own time slot, or at least minimally, while BG still hang on to it’s coverage. As with any server though, demoralization of the pugs and possibly WvW guild members is always the case in these situations, so the numbers of those drop drastically on SoR. While BG pugs see’s the win and every pug and their mother joins in the fight. Keeping the numbers lopsided.

Personally, I am here for the fights and not really sure how or why the back and forth of this pointless thread started. I do have a few friends on BG from my old server and one of them did question me on why SoR quit the match, and I only try to explain to him as I do now, but his fear was losing guilds on BG because a lack of a fight on SoR. And I don’t think he whole hearted believed me when I told him SoR OC this week is pretty much how it has been every week, that is how much we have every time we play.

But I know some BG will keep going on about every SoR quitting WvW. But I can assure you the WvW regualrs are always there doing their best every day, regardless of what goes on in this thread.

Well, if you’ve read my previous post in a few pages back, I pointed out that I don’t agree that SOR is giving up completely. The definition of ‘give up’ could be different for anyone. I don’t know about NA cuz I can’t get up that early but I understand why some will think that way.
The only give-up attitude I saw happened mid of last week when SOR full map zerg was hitting kitten our WP bay at SORBL. We had no commander at that point because ND floated to rescue in BGBL and everyone scattered over the map. The assault was so fast and fierce at one point I thought we would lose it. Few ZDs around and one of them tagged up, leading the pugs with no one on TS we held bay and started to raid the north part. There was still 1 hour before SEA prime time ended. Soon we capped one of the north towers knowing the next target would be garrison, SONG/NYS and the whole map zerg logged off leaving only few pugs in garrison holding it.
In a league, I don’t agree completely with such kind of attitude but maybe this is their lifestyle and they really care about fight only despite they knew that losing garrison meant further demoralising the whole server.