Guild Wars 2

Korgov.7645:

Removing resurrection (revive after stomped) would probably hurt the smaller groups more. For example when the smaller group loses their mesmers/thieves due lag, splash damage, “unskillfulness” or whatever. Then the smaller group can no longer operate and has to regroup.

This is one reason why I lean towards reviving a ‘stomped’ ally only out of combat. I like that one of us in the ‘small’ group might escape then come back and rez the 2-3 of his party. This is especially convenient in the EB jump puzzle for example.

The likely hood of ANet revamping the revive mechanic is highly unlikely. But implementing some changes, I hope, they might consider. Exmples: reviving ‘stomped’ allies only outside of combat. Harsher penalties for coming out of a ‘downed’ state.

Jiiub,

Agreed, Dub-v-Dub is everything for me and the crew I run with. It was our passion from beta and is our endgame (we have been lost since DoAC). I think everyone here is exploring the greater means to an end; which is the success of GW2 and Dub-v-Dub specifically. I just happen to think the downed state needs addressing and….the culling in the name of everything that is good and holy….the culling. (culling belongs in another thread )

Carry on the discussion.

Jiiub.7135:

KnattyDreads.1856:

Jiiub.7135:

I will give you that it does bring some things up that could change some things for the better, but there are negatives i can see also

Agreed, there can alwaysbe unintended consequences when making changes.

I will also agree with one of your earlier posts regarding the rez working to the advantage of the group with lesser allies. I have had on occasion a battle with the lesser side rezzing allies to come back in a fight after losing an initial 10-15% of the group. This tends to be the exception rather than the rule

yea, i think its really up to how much of the zerg is organized guild compared to randoms. with more organized ressing becomes natural and something we are to do as soon as we see someone fall while a solo player might not care to res others but im used to IRON on Deso, so its ofcourse hard for me to imagine the life on servers which lacks big organized guilds and how their fights turn out

Well, I’d like to think those of us in T1 WvW NA have a medium of sense when it comes to coordination. But alas we will have to wait for the day when ANet lets NA beat on EU :p

Jiiub.7135:

I will give you that it does bring some things up that could change some things for the better, but there are negatives i can see also

Agreed, there can alwaysbe unintended consequences when making changes.

I will also agree with one of your earlier posts regarding the rez working to the advantage of the group with lesser allies. I have had on occasion a battle with the lesser side rezzing allies to come back in a fight after losing an initial 10-15% of the group. This tends to be the exception rather than the rule

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

I dont feel tanks have a place in real pvp yet spvp requires bunkers almost religiously. Then again spvp isnt real pvp.

Ha! You are just trying to pick a fight aren’t you :p

Jiiub.7135:

Ok i will post one final advice then, move to a better server that has some real coordinated groups as i DO NOT want the brainless zerg getting handicaps that works against us Hardcore WvW players.

maybe going to dead directly wont be bad, but maybe it will.

Come to Desolation and learn what a organized server can do in WvW unlike what your experiences seems to be so far of it. we have Organized WvW with commanders and TS from and around 11am GMT+1 to 2 am GMT+1 every day of the week

Look for Iron!

Putting aside the obvious fact that your server is the best, IRON is down right unstoppable and the rest of us are just plebs sitting at the foot of the table hoping for some scraps to fall down from the elite….

What are the potential handicaps you foresee with a ‘waypoint on spike’ ‘removal of downed state’ or ‘no rez while in combat’ for your Organized WvW when fighting the unwashed horde (aka the brainless zerg.)? This is a serious question.

Korgov.7645:

Dee Jay.2460:

You still aren’t making any sense whatsoever?

What are you saying? If one zerg is larger than the other, bring more players?

That’s an incredibly asinine argument to make.

90% of fights against larger Zergs feel futile in WvW because the ressurection mechanics make it an almost insurmountable problem. And that’s just bad design.

There’s a difference between fighting against bad odds and feeling like you might as well just walk away.

Why it should not feel futile? The larger group has more claim for victory than your small group.

If your team is unable to set up fights so that the odds favor you, you have been out-played strategy wise. Walking away is sometimes an excellent option.

Perfect then we are in agreement. Remove the ability to rez a spiked player on the battlefield and I’ll take these odds all day long.

Korgov.7645:

KnattyDreads.1856:

Korgov.7645:

You talk about skilled 5-man team against unskilled 25-man zerg. Then the other guy rolla the stupid ball further and talks about 10-man heros squad defending against mindless 25-man zerg. Hello?

The numbers are even when all servers hit the queues. If your server does not have enough players to fill the battlefield then there is your issue.

You should be talking about 5 skilled 5-man teams collaborating against 25-man zerg – and being unsuccessful due the downed state. But that is not the case, is it?

Or 25 players defending keep with smart siege selection, smuggling in supplies, well-timed flanking attacks against a 25-man zerg. Then complain it is impossible due downed state. But that is not the case either, is it?

Wow, if it was ever possible to miss the point people are making in a thread, you have managed to accomplish it in record time. And do me the favor of quoting one person in this thread who has stated a 5man team should be able to role a 25man zerg

talk about the stupid ball…..

“and it makes many 2v1s virtually impossible to win.” – Dee jay
“Just think of how many realistic options a 10 defenders have at defeating a 25 man Zerg attacking their keep” – Dee Jay
“skilled small team has the ability to wipe 2 to 3 times their number " – KnattyDreads
“epic defenses 10v30 at the walls” – Fabsm

Ok, not 5vs25 but you get the picture. Everyone is putting forwards delusional scenarios to justify the downed state is to blame for their “skill” not being rewarded.

When you quote me use the entire sentence; “Many times in my own experience (and in witnessing others in combat) a skilled small team has the ability to wipe 2 to 3 times their number or at the least bring that number down to more manageable odds (through skill, build, organization terrain,etc.)”
Now, just so I understand your thought process:
- It is delusional to think a 5-man team can beat a group 2-3 times their number
- It is delusional to think that that 10 men inside and defending a tower couldn’t defend against 25.
- It is delusional think that occasionally in an ‘epic’ battle, a group of ten defending (lets just say a fortified tower with siege) couldn’t defeat 30 attackers.

So, none of this is plausible, it has never been done, if we think it can be done – we all have delusions of grandeur and are crying about ‘not being rewarded’. And just because we suggest that rezzing spiked players on the battlefield or the application of the ‘downed state’ in WvW be modified. We are; "putting forwards delusional scenarios to justify the downed state is to blame for their “skill” not being rewarded."
We are discussing possible changes to the state of a downed or spiked player so the advantage (of that state and the ability to get out of it) isn’t automatically applied to the group with greater numbers.

Yeah, just before you came in and posted in this thread I was complaining about not getting rewarded for my skill. /sarcasm

Aowys,

In general terms I like the downed state as well. It is very dynamic and adds strategy to combat. And with no intention of derailing the OP’s thread, the more I think about the downed state and talk about it here on the forums. I am leaning more towards the opinion that spiked players should have to waypoint. Or at an absolute minimum not allowing rez while in combat.

Korgov.7645:

You talk about skilled 5-man team against unskilled 25-man zerg. Then the other guy rolla the stupid ball further and talks about 10-man heros squad defending against mindless 25-man zerg. Hello?

The numbers are even when all servers hit the queues. If your server does not have enough players to fill the battlefield then there is your issue.

You should be talking about 5 skilled 5-man teams collaborating against 25-man zerg – and being unsuccessful due the downed state. But that is not the case, is it?

Or 25 players defending keep with smart siege selection, smuggling in supplies, well-timed flanking attacks against a 25-man zerg. Then complain it is impossible due downed state. But that is not the case either, is it?

Wow, if it was ever possible to miss the point people are making in a thread, you have managed to accomplish it in record time. And do me the favor of quoting one person in this thread who has stated a 5man team should be able to role a 25man zerg

talk about the stupid ball…..

I am going to agree and re-state the obvious. With respect to dub-v-dub (I will not speak for our hardcore sPvP comrades,) the downed state and the ability to perma-rez spiked allies gives overwhelming advantage in just running with pure numbers.

Moving in a tight 5-man team with defined roles and coordination is being overtly penalized. Many times in my own experience (and in witnessing others in combat) a skilled small team has the ability to wipe 2 to 3 times their number or at the least bring that number down to more manageable odds (through skill, build, organization terrain,etc.) Herein lies the issue, the longer the fight continues the opponent with an advantage in numbers just rezzes the spiked/downed allies in the back field creating a constant trickle of opponents and an unending re-enforcement train. The result, the smaller team (which in some instances could have beaten the opponent with double or triple numbers) is overrun, pushed out or wiped. Dee Jay makes an excellent point,

“Just think of how many realistic options a 10 defenders have at defeating a 25 man Zerg attacking their keep. With players constantly resurrecting each other the best they can hope for is to buy time. There’s no feasible way to wipe a larger Zerg as long as people can constantly resurrect each other. You can’t apply Guerrilla tactics or wear them down…because constant rezzes undermine any such efforts.”

My personal application is open field battle and camp capture but observing dub-v-dub in the macro the problem is broad with many applications.

Considerations:
- Eliminate the downed state in DubvDub
- Leave the downed state and make spiked players waypoint
- Very harsh penalties to allies rezzed from double-down state (penalties on a timer).
My personal opinion:
1- Increase the time required to rez a downed player giving the opponent a realistic time for spike.
2-Spiked players can only be rezzed by players not in combat. If a player begins rezzing an ally and is brought into combat he can not continue to rez the ally until out of combat again.

Just my two cents.

Still rolling in JQ; Come say hi

Scarn.6810:

Well I’m happy that, after reading the whole thread, not one person mentioned a sword/dagger build. I’m glad my secret is still safe and everyone will expect me to do the usual backstab “tricks.”

Are you on the T1 server? I was watching a thief with this build from a distance the other day. I watched him drop 3-4 players from JQ. He also took out a guardian from my guild (who is no slouch) without much trouble at all. I engaged once, (as a D/D Ele) only to see the thief vanish never to be seen again. I am looking forward to eventually fighting the Sword/Dagger & Bow Thief build. I’ll be online tonight looking for you :p

Edit: I now see you reside on Maguuma, I will have to find another S/D Thief to play with…..

SuiRyuJin.4615:

in both dmg and support a staff provides better options when u consider the effect on a zerg. with the low cd and large # of aoes a staff dmgs most if not the entire zerg over time. the larger and more varied fields available to a staff provides much higher support then a small close target aoe heal. d/d and s/d definitely win out if ur only talking about small squad combat. but the majority of WvW is determined by A) zerg B ) seige/supply

while they are useful i would definitely not say it is the best wvw wpn set

With specific respect to WvW, I agree with this statement. Running a small 5man team (as I do) taking Yaks, supply camps, camping enemy support lines when they are assaulting our towers its d/d all the way. If i spent my time in a Zerg, defending/attacking towers or spent the majority of my time in EB it would be staff all the way, or a condimancer.

Effective class spec comes down to application and common use. Determine where you spend your time and how you apply your skill set. Then base your spec primarily around your most common interaction.

P.S. I won’t quote all of the post from TheGuy, but I couldn’t agree more with his entire post.

Coming from JQ, I am seeing less d/d eles. Plenty of Thieves and a whole lot more Shatter Mesmers running with staff. Shatter Mesmer seems to be the fotm in T1 wvw.

Bring a D/D ele.
Unless its a party of 5 Thieves…….then run away.
Oh yeah, and respec if you’re still rolling a glass cannon. (Unless you’re a Thief :p )

Avari.8954:

Race: Human

When ever my(or anyone I see) character puts on a head piece such as the Celebration Hat or Winged Headpiece the she would go bald. I’m not exactly sure when I started to notice this, but I think it was a little bit before Halloween.

I’ve attached a picture showing how it use to look, and how it looks now.

This did happen after the first halloween patch. This is the case with my Asura and the t3 cultural armor helm. It has not been fixed yet. I will confirm the issue you are hacving with the human character as well. Halloween patch= the balding patch.

Refeia.9168:

Savant Helm (Asura Tier 3 Cultural Helm), Light Head Armor, Transmuted to Exotic

Asura, Female, Mesmer

Missing mark/hair after equipping the helm after the Halloween update, I am positive that the hair area should have color marking/hair before the update – attached a screenshot of my character (AAA1.jpg) and other screenshot I found on the web to see the comparison.

I would like to confirm this post. There was a hair color/marking prior to the original halloween patch. Since then it is just a bald head with the helmet floating on it.
Asura, Male, Mesmer.

I would think they know about it. It has been a complaint for a while. Additionally, it makes the recoveries achievement almost impossible. After a solid week of devoting my time to the Kegmaster Title I have 25 recoveries I believe. And we ultimately need 500? This is madness. Same goes for assists.

I submitted a bug report, unfortunately I haven’t received a response. Anyone else?

We started talking about it here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/character-with-a-black-face/first#post56457
looks like it happened after the last patch.

It looks like that is the common link. I can confirm, I have the same hair style. The other Asura I have created on my account with different hair styles do not have the problem.

This was definitely a result of the last patch.

anything on this? is there somewhere else to report this?

I have the same problem it started yesterday when I logged in, my face is dark brown. I cannot undo no matter what I try. I am also Asura.

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