Guild Wars 2

Natsu Dragneel.1625:

I actually had a bit of a talk to a fellow named snippet the other day about commander builds in WvW and came up with something like this

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAsdRlwziqHWTrGb9IiJFBnvRShplalegb82FC-jEyA4OBRKCIhJQZvioxW4KiGr2GTdSEV7xJiqlCoclRA-w

I’m on the phone so can’t contribute much to this until I’m home, but had some ideas about reflection and retal, which funny enough I also talked with a fellow named snippet about the other day :b

The latest one is the first build link (10/25/30/0/5 shackel’d), which seems to work fine for me

Cheers ^^

/15 char

mhmm sure it fits a little bit but hey its simply logical… so many traits for clone-death (esp. confusion on clone death ) AND confusion on shatter. so one trait is definitifly wasted every fight. If shatter for confusion then go 20/0/10 and 33% confusionduration. thats what i mean with: Don’t get me wrong, i’m sure your build works, but it could work better if you look more precisely at the synergies your trait setup provides.

I shatter and let my clones die in every fight, so how is one of my traits wasted every fight? I get something out of letting them die and I get something out of shattering them.

But Lhahel is talking about one F3 Shatter and chaindaze through 3 perfectly placed clones, arriving at the target every second after another in the heat of the battle and environment, i’m curious how to archive that.

It can be tricky I’ll give you that, but unless you get flustered and disoriented in combat and can’t keep a cool head, it is not as hard to achieve as you’d think.

buy koi cakes, last 20 min same power as rare veggie pizza and ALOT cheaper :p

EU – Gandara

/15 char

Fixed it with gear now too

Oh yes you are right.. ehm Ill get around to fixing that forgot to put in the gear as well when I changed the link of my old traits to the new one, my apolegies

@Chaos

not to be nitpicking, but you missed a c in my name :p

Shackelberry

@Lahel: Hey could you put the revised traits in the original link? It’s a bit confusing to have both links to the new and old version.

Done, and appreciate the support

sry, don’t want to degrade, no no no but F1-shatter in a condition spec is really bad.
Further I comment tomorrow at work, now its playtime at home
its really a nice discussion)

Yes F1 shatter is stupidly bad which is why I use mostly F2 when I have the opponent rooted, which will give 6 stacks of confusion for 3~ seconds (condi duration etc.) now that will hit for approx 2k~ maybe more, not sure at the moment, if they cleanse it instantly, which imo is good damage compared with that they traded a cleanse for it (I know people don’t always insta cleanse, but often I have found people try to retaliate and do w/e they can when they are rooted.

EDIT: Taking your name into account I assume you’re from EU, so if you ever want to chat in game or we happen to be “enemies” in WvW, do hit me up

signed Gandaras Finest Fro :p

And you choose to shatter for ridiculous direct dmg and a short confusion. On top of that if your clones are away from your opponent, he can dodge easily out of your shatter. and if not, its not even dangerous because of little dmg and short confusion.

Can’t dodge while immobilized.

and sry, i ve to giggle at your chaindazing. maybe against pve dumbkitten or lucky throws in a zerg but not against an opponent with half a brain. how often have you managed this, if you even can’t predict if your clone attacks the target you want, and not the white rabbid in the other direction?

Quite often actually, I haven’t run into many problems with the surrounding wild life.

Don’t get me wrong, i’m sure your build works, but it could work better if you look more precisely at the synergies your trait setup provides.

For my playstyle, and the playstyle I’m going for I actually think my traits synergize fairly well.

@lord jim: I know that, but to be honest: do you ever have the overview, how many clones or/and phantasms of you are on the field? your writing is purely theoretical. Especially with dueling X. in a phantasm build yes, but not with dueling X imho.

I do, it’s pretty simple actually o.O and have you tried this spec out, if not aren’t your writing purely theoretical too?

PS: gonna make dinner now, so might be a while before next reply
PPS: This is very good btw, I think we have a good debate going, but I’d much prefer if you didn’t ridicule, it sorta degrades the debate.

What is this podcast? Never heard of it till now :o

With the amount of condi removal other classes have over mesmers, an opponent will never run around perma crippled.

last but not least: you have to choose your main dmg-source imho.
you shatter often? so 3 of your traits are completly worthless. Your ShatterCDs are way to high to relie on them.
Your main source of dmg comes from phantasm bleeds? so why clone on dodge? In the heat of the battle one dogde too much and there goes your phantasm in a cloud of butterflys and you re waiting around 20 secs for your next main dmg source?
You choose many on-clone-death traits, but you stated its not your dmg source.

I have my main damage source, and it’s conditions whether they are applied actively (interrupts, etc.) or passively (clone death, bleed on crit etc.).

I use shatters F1 and F2 when I have a person rooted and my phantasm have already blown it’s salve, because while they are rooted my clones won’t get killed unless I actively overwrite them.

I use shatter F3 for chain dazing (can be done with strategic placement of clones), especially when the opponent is low hp to disrupt their panic heals, this paired with magic bullet, MoDistraction does so I can keep someone from getting their heal off long enough for my conditions to kill them, and the better I get, the more often I pull that off.

And lastly, I have no problem generating clones without reduced cd on sword and pistol.

But I will have to look into the amount of bleeds I get with fury and without fury, what you stated about that makes perfect sense, and I will determine it’s value with personal data.

EDIT: You have to remember that when someone is immobilized they can’t use regular dodge.

blutstein.2468:

oh, I see you already moved 5 points to from dom to illusions. i commented the 15/25/30 build but never the less, why 5 illusions? you never shatter with this build. Here we go again: sword or pistol cd would bring much more to the table. And about the pistol: It is stated that its a bug? never the less its not gamebreaking.
But thats your thing if you dont wanna use it.

I haven’t used CI since a while and thought that it has an internal cd.
If you do an AoE interrupt, its only one foe who is immobilized? it might be that i’m wrong….
If you wanna 30 chaos I would choose PU. Even without the torch its amazing (i use it only with MI and Decoy and its worthy along with all the boons you get from BI.

my head says: its a clonespammer build with interrupts it might be that you never felt it but its a fact: more clones = more dmgprocs. Shorter CD on your weapons = more clones. more immobs, more finishers, more evades, more blocks that spawn even more clones. Its so clearly superior to 5 points in illusion, to power up shatters you never use and 50 condition dmg imho.

As matter of fact I shatter a lot, hence the 5 points in illusions, which gives me a more active control over the pressure I apply to an opponent.

I have more often than not procced CI on several people with just one into the void pull.

Honstly I don’t find PU that great and I don’t wanna rely on it to keep me safe. Playing clever and better is what should keep me safe, and so far that has worked wonders.

reduced cd on sword or pistol might be great, but I feel I get a lot more out of other traits, especially when I don’t feel it is necessary to “waste” a trait to get lower cds when I can get something better, like phantasmal fury for more bleed procs.
Let’s face it, in most condi specs a huge portion of the damage and the pressure comes from bleed on crit procs from illusions.

EDIT: I looked at the build and I’ll ask the same question I once was asked. How much damage does your halting strike do, because if it’s not above 1500 or near 2000 it’s not worth it really.

blutstein.2468:

why don’t you spec 30 in dueling for the pistol cd and 100% projectile finisher?
It brings so much more to the table then a few stacks vulnerability. And if you spam clones, you can get rid of phantasmal fury and take sword cd. Your leap and your phantasm-cd is reduced >> more clones >> more procs.

I thought of that, but decided that I wouldn’t simply because of how powerful crippling dissipation is against melee.
In regard to the 100% projectile finisher, that’s a bug and “exploit” and I don’t want to use it.
This is a condi build so phantasmal fury is great for bleed procs, and I never felt the need for reduced cds on sword.

chaotic interruption isn’t imho worthy a gm slot due to internal cd and the great area control (AE cripple, sword immo, 2 blocks) with this sort of build.

What internal cd?
In your head what is this sort of build?
What gm trait would you suggest instead?

I apolegize for yet another bump the traits have been revised

Well if you are looking for a wvwvw roaming/duel spec that uses pistol and focus, I have one in my signature

PvE I’m clueless I’m affraid :p

And that’s when you think, hey PU is really only a good trait for running away or against opponents stalling for time to get back-up or are confident in taking you on.

Ps: I know many PU specs can take on 1vX fairly easy

I get errors when I try to connect to the ts channel, and whenever I get on it, I’m always alone for hours on hours

I’m not much into the spvp scene (rank 9 :p) because I don’t like the format, but definitly a lot of possibilities in that map

Xyonon.3987:

I tought “what is this kittenty thread again …”
BUT IT WAS HILAROUS keep it up xD

I got some gs and portal ideas i want to try out so stay tuned

WitchKing.5317:

hahaha loved it, maybe you could do one with the greatsword next… XD

Challenge accepted!

Hello everyone, I’m Shackelberry also known as the Asura with the toxic tea kettle and Gandaras best looking fro. I mainly play wvwvw, either roaming or running with my warband. I’m condition mesmer through and through, I try to play other playstyles but I always feel at home with conditions. I currently try to master my own build (can be found in the sig). I always like constructive feedback and duels against different classes and builds cause it is where I feel I get the best data.
So if you ever pass by Gandara be it in wvwvw match up or otherwise I’m always up for a chat

@Deathcon I see how that can be useful against pug zergs, but I don’t run in those much I really dislike the keep trading and PvD going on atm so I usually just roam and look for opportunities to troll people with the focus :P

This is gonna come off as self promotional, but I have a video up on my channel illustrating a “fun” use of Temporal Curtain if it is those kind of videos you mean :p

I was wondering if I could have my build featured in this sticky?

ps: build in sig

aww I was looking forward to contesting in october as well

Simonoly.4352:

Very good. You get a cookie for that one.

All I ever really wanted

Eyyy, mine is in there, I’m honored ^^

Thanks pyro that is probably a better explanation than I could give

Strongest Mesmer Weapon … okay maybe not, but I thought that title would draw attention :P

Anyways this is just my tribute to the focus and an illustration of why it is my favourite weapon in the mesmer kitten nal

PS: I thought the song was fitting

EDIT: really anet.. REALLY?

the existing ones are for some reason already considered shattered by the game

summon 3 clones → shatter → summon new clones while the first 3 run to their target

I don’t know why, but I don’t seem to run into these perplexity engies or warriors oO

Edit: nvm, ran into my first perplexity engie today

For the love of god, please don’t make them remove the on interrupt effect It’s absolutely lovely paired with chaotic interruption.

Why is it everyone is so keen on removing the on interrupt? because they don’t use interrupt themselves?

I completely stay away from traveler runes, simply because apart from the 6/6 bonus my build or my playstyle don’t benefit from them at all. Besides they are like 6g a piece?

Also I never played any other class to 80 so I don’t feel it as bad as people who have :P

Iavra.8510:

Honestly they should change the 6 rune bonus to something like +10% confusion damage and add the old one as a new mesmer trait (including an ICD, about 30s).

apply confusion on interrupt with a 30 second ICD? how about no and how about most useless trait ever o.O

give it blur instad of aegis and just during the activation time and i’m in maybe a longer stealth too? :O
What I don’t like is that it only cloakes 5 units with that huge BIUUMMMMM sound and animation … and veil does infinite … ok … seems legit >_>

After coming back to the game after 6+ months that together with the 20 man limit on portal was my biggest disappointments :p

I think reducing the CD would be a step in the right direction. The whole LOS wall thing not so much, would be to easy to abuse for griefers etc.

Alissah.9281:

skcamow.3527:

It was great hanging with a few of you in the new arena last night. There was some great conversation, dueling and theory-crafting. I can already see the immense benefit.

A couple people who were with us didn’t know about the arena. If you’d like to access it, do a search in the PvP game browser for [OMFG] and it should show up. Only members of the OMFG guild can access it. The password is listed in the message of the day for our guild (same password as our teamspeak channel).

/Sobs in the corner, also known as the EU while everyone else has fun

That said/sobbed, I think custom arenas are just way too expensive. Its like 90 gold for 1 month O.o i really would buy one if it was like.. 40, 40 sounds reasonable.

I shall sob a long with you

If the only nerf to them coming is an ICD I’ll probably still keep using them in my build

I’ll spar with ya menace

Shameless bump for feedback on new trait distribution.

I moved 5 points from dueling into illusion to get the minor trait Illusionary retribution to have a more active control over my confusion application and it coupled with diversion and interrupt can stack up a good amount of confusion.

Been a while since I’ve seen someone click their abilities oO

renamed
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you can trait so it does

I just went to the indestructible golem in heart of the mist. applied conditions to it without vulnerability on it, bleed would tick for 119 and poison tick for 236, unfortunatly (im crying a little on the inside) afterwards when i tried applying 25 stacks of vulnerability and then immediatly afterwards applied poison on the golem it would still tick for 236

I honestly think scepter has one of the best defensive abilities for three reasons

1. It’s an active defense, meaning you decide how/when to use it and how well you use it is determined by how “good” you are.

2. It’s an offensive action as well because of how powerful torment is.

3. Even if they notice your stance (quite distinctive on Asura at least) and don’t attack you because they don’t wanna proc the block, the skill still gave you a 2 second breather.

All of this can of course be applied to sword off-hand but we are talking main-hand right now ^^

Chaos Archangel.5071:

I’m glad you grabbed Dazzling too, it makes Diversion and MoDistraction stack a large amount of Vuln, which in turn makes all your conditions that much more deadly. Compared to Blackwater, this build does more damage and much more enemy control (Vuln stacking, Boon removal, 50% movement speed, Confusion, instant dazes, buttload of debilitations on interrupt. ) at the cost of the excellent defense of stealths/protection/aegis. I’m personally not a fan of condition builds, but my love for lockdown makes this look pretty tempting.

I’m glad you feel tempted that gives me the feeling my idea ain’t half bad.
For a spec with this many dazes I would never give up Dazzling, the amount of vulnerability stacks you can put on a person paired with Illusion of vulnerability is just amazing.
To comment on the lack of defenses (stealth, aegis, protection) I find that if I play it right and I’m aware of what is happening around me, I don’t need them.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Edit: I would say that I think Scepter/Pistol – Sword/Focus is a better weaponsetup. IMO Scepter/Pistol offers better condition damage and control (blind/stuns) and sword/focus would be better defense (Blurred Frenzy, Warden, Pull) but that’s more personal preference.

I have thought about it, but having played with sword/pistol for so long I just seem to have a hard time letting that go :P

I have yet to decide on what this spec should be called, if it at all deserves a name :p