Guild Wars 2

I wish someone would go through 140 pages of this and add up the number of unique responders not agreeing with the change compared to those agreeing. Too bad I have a full time job!

tkalamba.2541:

Snerf.1650:

While I appreciate a response, what I don’t understand is why he feels that there is a stat gap between exotic and legendary that needs bridging.

There is no stat gap at all, let alone one that needs bridging.

There is an effort gap, but as long as the only difference is a skin and “prestige” there is no issue.

It’s only by instituting a stat gap with this update that there would ever be a need to bridge it.

What I’m reading by the dev response, is a solution to a problem that only exists by implementing this solution…. They are in essence creating the problem, then implementing a half-fix simultaneously.

Does that seem odd to anyone else?

I think you’re missing the point. It’s not a stat gap they are referring to. It’s the gap between earning exotics, which is incredibly easy to do (I got my full set of armour, and my weapons in less than 3 days after hitting 80) and getting a Legendary (which most players aren’t even close to acquiring)

Ascended Items fill the gap in item acquisition between Legendary and Exotic. It’s not stats they are talking about.

You still don’t get it – they are adding more powerful armor & weapons – that and only that is true (creating a gear treadmill).

They are buffing legendary to be on the same level of ascended moving forward. Legendary was just a cosmetic look and that’s about it. It’s not meant to be something the general population obtain (hence: Legendary).

cesmode.4257:

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/324689481

Let it buffer, skip to 12:35.

Eric Flannum specifically says “Legendary weapons, ofcourse, are not any more powerful than the top level exotic weapons.”

“Each legendary weapon is based off of an exotic weapon, power wise”

Why are they making legendaries more powerful now? When Eric Flannum says otherwise here?

This cannot be refuted by anyone.

“You wont get a gameplay advantage”

You are preaching to the choir sister. They are backtracking now and making core changes to this game that are against their original design. I just don’t get it.

If this goes live, I’ll just go back to playing Rift – they just released a new expansion, and if I feel like doing some gear tread milling I’ll do it in a game that does it well. The biggest selling factor on this game (imo) was the complete balance of power at end-game!! This is what GW is about.

This is a huge mistake by a-net and I hope they realize it before it goes live.

Ditton.3149:

I cant see them retracting it all…thats alot of PR money, video production, programming…millions they would have to swallow with nothing to show for it except forum posts. Im not being negative, I just can not see them doing that from a business standpoint. They made a decision based on numbers, they are going to move forward with it.

No one is asking them to retract the patch – let Lost Shores go live – there is tons of great content there that people are excited about. Change the Ascended gear to either a) be out of the game entirely & add another way to get infusions or b) make them the same stats as Exotic Gear

Flynch.6034:

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

impossible to argue with 99% of misinformed people… I guess this really bad communication on Anets side about this costs them quite a few customers.

Posters who are trying to explain the system just drown here. I admit, I didn’t get it first either. Bad communication. Anet, just respond to the people.

Pretty much 100% this.

Anet need to release some details that are concrete and this thread can be put to sleep. Currently there are thousands of players commenting on something that they think will happen.

And that’s fair enough, as the details are far from refined. It’s very easy to read the blogs and then see what you want to see. It’s too ambiguous and frankly Anet need to sort it out. The forums are not a nice place to be at the moment.

How much more can they spell it out? They showed us gear progression items, they talked about the future changes. They talked about PVE gating via Infusions. What am I missing here? I see a lot of informed people who care about their game discussing it and not liking the direction it is going in.

I can tell you one thing – the amount of outcry shows ANET just how passionate their community is about the game and how they want it to thrive. This is a big misstep on their part if it goes live – a lot of voices will be silenced and when anger turns to resentment to disinterest then ANET will have a lot to worry about.

ionite.6234:

Urxx.6840:

This is a common misconception. The STAT gap is minimal. The exotic item’s impossibility to have infusions and counter agony is huge. The new dungeon is the only place where agony is incflicted FOR NOW, but things will change.

They haven’t developed a whole new system to use it only in the fractals. We’ll see agony in many upcoming patches.

This. Even better – it won’t be agony, but it’ll work similarly, and you will need new infusions to counter it every time.

They did the same BS in Warhammer Online – look how well that turned out. One of the worst PVE experiences I’ve ever played.

The reason so many people are screaming & complaining now is that the patch is going to be released in one day now. If we don’t make our voice heard now, this game will be changed forever.

Now there are many gaming websites that are reporting this is a huge misstep by arena net and there is this feedback they are getting from this report. I only hope they listen and retract these changes before they go live.

If they don’t, I will stop supporting them and I implore you to do the same. Make your voice heard now before it’s too late.

orpi.9167:

Strang.8170:

orpi.9167:

So, people cry because cannot get a prelegendary, they add 10% magic find item for make u more easy the work, now people cry because that item is op, rofl, that ascended ring its a kitten because magic find its not usefull in dungeon, so u got 5 more power and precision but u lost vitality or cri dmg for example that could got an exotic ring.

Im sure that many of u people cryed for prelegendary drop, anet listen ur cry, they said that they will start to make more accesible for all, well with new patch u will got a 6% more for got a chance.

Im worried about all inmature and brainless people who play this game and cannot see what anet do.

Legendaries will be pumped to ascneded level.

Do you seriously think they make all legendaries have magic find stats?

Or for that matter do you really think ascended sets only have magicfind stats?

seriusly u think that 5 more stats on each item will let u kill giganticus (for example) by one hit? if u are armless u will still diying, and if you know how to play maybe saves u 20 secs of boss fight time.

who gives a kitten about giganticus lol i care about my WvW game, if this goes live it is forcing people to PVE to compete in PVP – whether you want to believe it or not. A 2% – 8% increase is a big difference.

Namu.5712:

Lothair.8942:

Namu.5712:

Lequin.1806:

Untouch.2541:

I can’t see where they said they’ll have better stats.

They said they’ll add more update related items, that’s it.

Do the halloween exotics have better stats? Nope.

@above
At launch we will only have ring and back items, they’re going to add the rest of the slots as they go.

are you serious? did you not even read what Ascended items are? go read the release adn then come back. turn the lights on, and maybe have your browser turned to font 40. it’s in plain as day english, ascended stats are better than Exotic. no if, ands, or buts. They’ve even stated that it’s a new tier, and will make existing content easier for you! (meaning it’ll be a big increase on your character’s performance). Not to mention, it has alot of +magic find, which is the highest rated stat.

It’s the start of the never ending god kitten treadmill. they want to be like WoW for whatever reason despite having success with their original design.

And legendary stats are better then ascended which is also better then exotics? What is your point? Your already grinding for legendary… they are just adding a inbetween gear…. it won’t be the best in the game. Therefore the whole argument about a gear treadmill is totally debunked.

Legendary right now is on-par with Exotic. They are going to increase the stats of Legendary to match ascended based on these changes (when the Ascended items get patched in – not necessarily this patch).

So basically they are adding a new tier of gear after Exotic – there is no “in-between” exotic and legendary as currently exotic = legendary (in stats) and after the patch (which adds ascended weapons) ascended = legendary.

BTW, it’s complete BS, especially for the WvW community. It was said earlier – just make everyone in WvW EQUAL – same as in sPVP and they can do whatever the kittening kitten they want with PvE.

Well thats fine, I have no problem with wvwvw being like spvp…. but again what is the reward?

But pve wise, I don’t know anyone that doesn’t want to see their character grow…. no matter how small the amount is. New skins are cool but really its just more of the same after a few expansions. Same skills, same everything. Not sure how people cant consider that anymore or less boring.

Nor do I understand the argument about a gear grind….. when HELLO your doing the same thing if it were just a skin…. I mean comon folks pull your heads out!

The reward WAS playing the game and knowing you were fighting against people that were on-par with you gear wise and what it came down to was build & skill. Not ONE PVPer I’ve met WANTS to PVE to compete in PVP. It’s like the biggest outcry I always here in these games.

orpi.9167:

So, people cry because cannot get a prelegendary, they add 10% magic find item for make u more easy the work, now people cry because that item is op, rofl, that ascended ring its a kitten because magic find its not usefull in dungeon, so u got 5 more power and precision but u lost vitality or cri dmg for example that could got an exotic ring.

Im sure that many of u people cryed for prelegendary drop, anet listen ur cry, they said that they will start to make more accesible for all, well with new patch u will got a 6% more for got a chance.

Im worried about all inmature and brainless people who play this game and cannot see what anet do.

There is so much wrong here that I don’t even know where to start. Do you honestly think that is the only new item in the game? Don’t you think there will be other “stat combinations” that don’t include Magic Find? Do you know that getting a “pre-legendary” has absolutely nothing to do with Magic Find?

I worry for the the state of the game when the defenders of the changes have no idea what the changes mean.

Namu.5712:

Lequin.1806:

Untouch.2541:

I can’t see where they said they’ll have better stats.

They said they’ll add more update related items, that’s it.

Do the halloween exotics have better stats? Nope.

@above
At launch we will only have ring and back items, they’re going to add the rest of the slots as they go.

are you serious? did you not even read what Ascended items are? go read the release adn then come back. turn the lights on, and maybe have your browser turned to font 40. it’s in plain as day english, ascended stats are better than Exotic. no if, ands, or buts. They’ve even stated that it’s a new tier, and will make existing content easier for you! (meaning it’ll be a big increase on your character’s performance). Not to mention, it has alot of +magic find, which is the highest rated stat.

It’s the start of the never ending god kitten treadmill. they want to be like WoW for whatever reason despite having success with their original design.

And legendary stats are better then ascended which is also better then exotics? What is your point? Your already grinding for legendary… they are just adding a inbetween gear…. it won’t be the best in the game. Therefore the whole argument about a gear treadmill is totally debunked.

Legendary right now is on-par with Exotic. They are going to increase the stats of Legendary to match ascended based on these changes (when the Ascended items get patched in – not necessarily this patch).

So basically they are adding a new tier of gear after Exotic – there is no “in-between” exotic and legendary as currently exotic = legendary (in stats) and after the patch (which adds ascended weapons) ascended = legendary.

BTW, it’s complete BS, especially for the WvW community. It was said earlier – just make everyone in WvW EQUAL – same as in sPVP and they can do whatever the kittening kitten they want with PvE.

EverythingXen.1835:

Loosifah.4739:

The thing that I find the funniest here is that all of this feedback from the community is based on speculation. Nobody has even seen anything other than a RING kitten

The fact there’s so much feedback when there’s nothing to go on but speculation shows how important this issue is.

Also the fact that this is LAUNCHING IN 2 kitten DAYS – you can understand why people are upset. The community that doesn’t want this included in the next patch needs to speak up now or never.

Wintyre Fraust.6534:

They were going to do this all along. That’s why it’s coming out before any cash shop expansion and without any real polling of the customer base. It has nothing to do with a lack of revenue or “customer feedback”. There’s no logic to those claims.

First off great post Win.

Agreed, it’s a known fact that developers of this game were talking about item progression and this type of initiative as far back as PAX. I just never thought they would implement it.

gnash.7584:

My thoughts?
This: http://extra-credits.net/episodes/power-creep/

gnash, that was great. Thanks for posting!

I’m sorry, I didn’t know I needed a reward to play a game. Playing the game is reward enough for me. As soon as it starts to feel like a grind, I will quit – just like I have many other MMOs in the past.

GamerGirl.1496:

This sentence is what has me worried about the new gear.

Quote from Linsey’s blog post:
“Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content.”

No one was ever supposed to have an “edge”. Ever.

The day I am asked to link my armor/weapon to prove my gear is “worthy” of joining an event/group is the day I will quit GW2.

The “edge” is supposed to be skill NOT gear. At least that’s what I thought I was buying.

I wish there would be some sort of official response to all of the “feedback”. Even though I don’t agree with the changes, it is getting out of hand at this point.

Watch the Guildcast at about 24 – 25minutes in and they get into a good discussion about vertical progression. Seems the host had inside information IMO.

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/video-game-shows/guild-wars-video/guildcast-guild-wars-show/hawks-yetis/

Agonize.2015:

Anet pls change the name Lost Shores is not appropriate , wil lbe nice something like Rage Shores XD.. btw ill not rage until they release the Patch, my 1st scared observation are : IF they implement Ascended Gear who farm the Old Dungeon for take Exotic Gear? No point for farm like Hell all day 3x Path of “old” Dungeon for take an “old” exotic gear if dnt have EndGame Stat!!, i hope they implement a way to obtain Ascended Gear with the “old” Dungeon too… if not probably ppl give up old dungeon and chage focus to overfarming a “new” Dungeon….. no point to do this for Anet.. IMO

Lost Shores fits IMO – it’s where they Lost a good chunk of their playerbase, or their mind.

I agree with you on the old dungeons – I still think there will be some interest, but without a Dungeon Finder, it’s going to be hard to find a group. Especially with dwindling server numbers. They needed to implement a cross-server Dungeon Finder like 2 months ago.

Rift’s expansion is coming out today, if I want to grind new gear I’ll probably go play that. The fact this game had no gear treadmill is WHY I play it.

Vorch.2985:

Spectral Agony from GW1 required armor infusion to mitigate. It wasn’t a problem.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Spectral_Agony

Which is why I say wait and see before you rage yourself to death…

The infusion was available on your regular armor though – they are creating a whole new armor set to combat Agony. Please don’t throw this argument out there, it’s asinine.

Logun.2349:

greg.3792:

dirtyklingon.2918:

this is a bait and switch scam.

lol you may be right

This …1000x this

Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are “baited” by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are “switched” to a costlier product.

Yup Yup

Magiofdeath.2745:

So legendary grind is ok but a grind to progress is not ok? Uhm what?

What’s this about Ascended set that prob won’t have toughness, vitality being better than the WvW set that has the stats that are useful for WvW (you know, survival). You all have fun with that Ascended gear that gives MF, crit, etc while I have WvW gear that mitigates dmg and gives me increased hp.

A bunch of whining in this thread. Don’t do the new dungeon if you don’t want to have to get the ascended gear.

Its so funny, people complain there’s now way to progress beyond what we have now, ANet gives it to us and they complain about that. If I don’t want to get ascended gear and run the new dungeon, I don’t have to and neither do you. I’m cool with having all crafted exotics and eventually working towards the mystic forge uniques (not legendarys). Skin progression is basically the same as gear stat progression. If you don’t care to get it, you can choose not to. Only the vain and elitist care for legendary skins and gear stat progression. This is the people that have legendaries – “Look at me, I have a rainbow bow, I am so pro, I am not going to tell you what weapon this is when asked and instead just waypoint away because you are inferior to me”. The people that play for stat progression are the same way – “You don’t have my level of gear, you’re inferior”.

You honestly think there won’t be different gear sets to complement different players… come on dude.

I’m sorry OP, 8% is a HUGE increase in this game. Especially when you are doing WvW – which this will be a game-changer in.

Again being forced to PVE to PVP is not fun.

The reason we are seeing so many knee-jerk reactions is that this is GOING LIVE IN 2 DAYS! If we can’t get ANET to make a change or delay the ascended items release, the ENTIRE game is going to change (and IMO for the worse based on the information they’ve provided thus far).

What happened was that Arena Net created this game thinking it would take far more time for the majority of their population to get to end-game – whereas in reality it took only a fraction of that time. I think they underestimated their player base and are scrambling now to add additional carrots to keep people playing.

Which is sad really, because THE ONE AND ONLY selling factor for me in this game was the hard-stop of gear progression once you hit the cap. I know a HUGE majority of people feel the same way. This was their manifesto, this is how they sold their game & this is how they misled their player base. If this was a subscription game, I would have already cancelled just based on this fact alone. Since it’s not, I’ll hurt them the only way I can.

Vaash.8956:

I dont see how we can have much constructive feedback since we dont have much constructive information. “Slightly more powerful” you’re just opening a can of worms. why invoke drama? you know this would happen. just either remove or reword it to reflect what Infusion really is, its just a form of attunement as we had in GW1, it didnt make our gear more powerful, just able to not be 1 shotted by Mursaat who were made to 1 shot non-infused people. thats all it was. please stick to that. but this time, dont make it we have to do some silly 3 day questline to infuse every piece of my dungeon gear from every dungeon in game. thats just silly, and not fun. but like most people i’d prefer you kep the stat ceiling and just give us better skins.

Why even have the disparity between infused and non-infused though? Why include armor that is supposedly “slightly” more powerful than exotics. What people are complaining about is implementing an end-game gear grind to a game which was highly advertised as not having one. Which is completely justified given what we know now.

Healix.5819:

Either ArenaNet learned that the average player requires a carrot, unless it’s super hard to obtain, then it’s the hardcore players need something above the average player, or the speculation is just speculation.

This is exactly right IMO – they already hinted at changes to the Legendary system as the goals are so “unreachable” – now they add this nugget about Ascended armor. Knee-jerk reactions to people leaving the game due to no “end-game” progression.
Same Kitten Different Game.
SSDG

RLD, in fact that is a main reason why I stopped playing SWTOR. I was so fed up with having to stand around spamming chat for a group. I left them a pretty long explanation in my “exit interview”.

Big kitten Norn

grim fandango.5946:

Do the +10% damage bonuses from Fiery Wrath and Radiant Power stack?

I asked this in its own thread before I noticed this one, and Animus suggested that they do stack, but can someone confirm this?

This thread is a great idea. Thanks IV Endu!

Grim, I am confident they do stack.

There is definitely some skill there – I agree. I’m not trying to be harsh at all, just hate self-proclamation.

The boon removal is nice, but it takes a lot of time to set this up to hit accounting for lag and movement. In sPVP or WvW, I still try and use it, but it’s extremely difficult. I would love it got changed to on-target.

60 seconds?? I can’t even fathom an ability in this game lasting that long. Other than that, I think it would be a fun tool to play with.

I agree with Xyrm – self-proclaimed pro’s? How about you post your video and let it speak for itself.

I thought Duelist was 20% finisher not 100% – need to check in-game again.

“I’m still an adventurer like you, because those ranger arrows are like wet noodles.”

People that say the Holy Trinity is a mindless way to play are totally off base. Having played both Tank or Healer role for years & years I find it an insult to say that it was mindless. Tanks have one of the hardest jobs and Healers have the most thankless job there is.

When I first did AC Storymode I was ready to up and quit this game – there is such a HUGE learning curve for people coming from “normal” trinity games that the culture shock is too much for some to handle. If I was in Beta, my feedback would have been to really tune down the Storymode dungeons (especially early in the game) as they are meant to be a foray into what the game has to offer.

After some practice and learning encounters, I like it – I adapt and change – but there are a lot of people who won’t and will want what they are used to… I’ve already had two guild mates leave due to this (guess what, they were a tank + healer in other games) and I’m sure there are many others who have or will follow suit.

It’s far too obvious why it was brought in line – I could brainlessly keep close to 100% uptime with retaliation just using Aegis & Virtues – not even including weapon skills.

Now, I can still keep a fairly high %, but it’s not as easy to do.

Kharel, you can get Superior Rune of the Monk from farming AC.

I’ll check next time in game, it could simply be me changing my skills and not noticing! I run a few different trait setups – thanks for confirming

As a heavy user of Staff #5, I can understand why they dropped the length. I use it all the time to close off choke points or as a constant interrupt on people (if you through it right on them as mentioned above).

Staff needs a buff in other areas, but 5 is nice. I would LOVE for Staff to be effected by 2H mastery.

Emerald Orbs x 6 for mine – with Knight’s Draconic and a Beryl Orichalcum Set

Aegis: When you absolutely need Hammer Chain #3 to hit! Yes, it’s a slow cast time, but the symbol is worth it. Plus, as Polle says above, the low cooldown on #2 makes up for a lot.
In PVP, I’ve had my share of frustrations, but you work around it. Sometimes I’ll evade before Chain #3 – most of the time I’m moving outside of melee range and not sticking to my target as the Symbol has an ok radius (I use larger symbols, so it’s even better).

Great build! I run a shout build for group play, but I switch out traits to Meditations if I’m solo – I always try to keep Judge’s Intervention on my bar because it’s just too good to ignore!

As for the heal, I use Shelter as well for the block possibilities – you can chain that with Virtue of Courage – Renewed Focus – Virtue of Courage to have ~6s of immunity and multiple blocks (2 from Aegis alone). This gives you a lot of time to get some of your other skills off cool down, or wait for support if you’re getting overwhelmed.

Let’s start with what build are you using currently and what classes you are having issues against.

Voltric is correct – although I do think they should change it so Torch 4 applies the boon or fix the wording of it.

Really, it’s the durability that is the issue here. As others have pointed out, a stiff wind can kill these things.

My wishlist would be:
- Spirits cannot be damaged by AOE
- Increase HP
- Increase overall effectiveness (% of times buff activates)
- Allow them to move with you without being traited

Slasher, I use more utility pets in sPVP – I normally will start with a Spider for the immobilize so I can try and circle around my target for more damage. My secondary pet really varies from game to game, depending on what I’m facing.