Healix, have you tried reporting someone lately… 12 hrs after 10 confirmed reported bots for gold spamming in Lions Arch and they are still spamming….
*Imagines 10 people looking all around the room at each other asking themselves “who really is in charge around here”…. hmmm well I am back from lunch gonna tinker on the side project healthcare.govemt"
I posted a similar, almost exact recommendation on another forum…
I also recommend the add (AR 5-10), (AR 10-20) so that new players don’t think “oh, im 80, I will try a 30….” and they then get kitten cause they get kicked from the team.
Thank you all for proving my point….
2 weeks ago Fractals was “fractals” it was a challenge because it was a challenge…
Now it is converted into a market just like many other aspects of the game…
Take the fun out, put some points, a title, a leaderboard behind it, and now its “a market”
Are you kidding me?!?!?
How can this be allowed / how can players feel this is “Ok”…
Talk about ruining the game for others…
I joined a team saying they were doing a 30…
I was told “mail me the 20g”
I ask “are you crazy”
I was kicked, ignored, and then whispers asking why I was joining to bother them.
I know I was ignored cause on replying it was told player was offline…
Is this what ANets “great idea” was, was to feed yet another group of players who are ruining the game for those who play to play?
Asko, those are new “features” that ANet gave to us for our enjoyment…
I would assume, the Ranger fix “you can interact with the environment while under the affect of the signet that enlarges your character” broke the zoom in those fractals…
Makes sense right?
So, the defense (AKGeo) says:
We talked about how good a chocolate cake would be, and we talked about how great it we could make one, with triple chocolate filling, and chocolate flakes all over it…. And we talk about how we make cake on Tuesday….
Then, Tuesday comes… and we make carrot cake…..
We didn’t promise chocolate cake… we talked out it but never really said “we are making chocolate cake” Why is everyone so upset???
Everyone Riots… Why? We didn’t do anything wrong. I mean we just talked about how good chocolate cake was, we didn’t say we would make any….
The developers didn’t know where to get a waypoint from for the Story Mode, so they stole the checkpoints from here, and used them there.
Most Important Pro:
Harpy Fractal is finally playable!!!!!
^^ I couldn’t agree with you more…
I assume that you didn’t get on after the first 10ish hours after the patch, when the old fractal weapons were not even able to be equipped or transmuted?? They have enough trouble keeping things working as they should be, better yet trying to “help the players base” by giving us things that would not require us buying gems.
3 TIMES TODAY…. Casual Players leading a team… “oh, its been an hr and half, I gotta go to bed” LEAVE PARTY…… this is what it is becoming!!!!!!
I’m one of those casual players. I barely ever complete a full chain. Don’t blame the players, blame anet for making it so time-consuming.
Sorry for the Rant, it didn’t start out as one…
I was not hating on players, I was hating on what ANet is forcing on players….
“We want this to be more casual” yet instance owners leaving or having to leave and that causing the whole instance to be reset is not “in favor of casual players” this is like this in all dungeons, and especially noted in Fractals.
This is causing the following:
New Player – oh a fractal I will try these out (no clue to complete it can take 2 hours or more)
New Player – I will give one of these a try, the game said 20 – 30 mins, this should be quick and easy… (not realizing x4 and the quoted 20-30 mins each is with experienced team)
Casual Player – Hmm, I got an hour before I got to pick up the kids, I will run part of this then take off
Casual Player – I heard the update changed some of this stuff, guess I will try them again since I do have some AR.
Hard Core Players – I have 4 different chars I can bring in, I will let someone else lead so I can change up if needed.
With ANet changing all of the reward and difficulty mechanics there is so much confusion on what is what.
Since announcement of the patch, many more new to fractal players have been joining. They have been joining all levels of the fractals with no clue at all about AR or what Agony is. I did multiple 38 runs with players with 0 AR cause they just clicked “join party”
So, now my biggest point…. Casual players will not be accepted, will feel unwelcome and as if everyone on the team is “elitists” with many parties if questioned… ready for some of the expected and seen questions:
Show your AR
Show your armor / weapons
Everyone has 2+ hours to play?
No going AFK at all or you will be kicked
STOP / WAIT: I am going to explain this EVERY TIME to make sure you all really know what to do and how this works
I can make this list go on and on…
Now we have players appearing to be kittens, others appear to be big kittens, when it all comes down to no one wants to waste their time…. No one wants to get to the very end and the leader just leaves when the final boss is under 1/2 HP…
I am far from a kitten, I am sure some reading this have ran with me on multiple fractals… I take my level 40 guard, and my guidlys lvl 9 warrior (yes character levels) into the 1-19 fractals because we can… We do this so others realize it is not “oh I have the right gear” it is about knowing what happens and when… We get more “respect” from the teams we help on our Lowbies then ever seen on our 80s. This is because multiple reasons… the “elitists” who think they walk on water wont run with us (or they come to see us fail and then when we are last 2 standing realize they were the kittens)
I am all over the place on this… But ANet is giving false comfort to the casual players and that is making less teams want to take casual players with them, and many of the tactics required either need explained in detail to players, and or they will just get kicked or the party will fail….
BLAH BLAH BLAH
“No body is arguing the need for a plan, your plan is just stupid and wont work!”
You comment on “I got 50 bags” no one is comparing the Dredge Fractal to Farming, we are saying “by design” it SUCKS!
AKGeo.6048:Actually, if you were to read the posts above mine, you’d see that the people complaining about it in this thread are complaining about the difficulty, and that difficulty stems from the large numbers of mobs and the intricate mechanics required to progress (relative to other fractals, such as Battleground or underwater). They find it HARD to get past the dredge blocking the door. I find it easy with the right tools. Then they find it hard to kill the champion boss. I find it easy if you know where to stand. And if you want to speed up that fight, then you should figure out how to fight the boss in the middle of the “clown car” segment so you knock down both bars at once. As intended. Then they find it hard to kill the final boss. I find it easy if you have the right timing.
I can complete the dredge fractal at 40+ in a half hour, and come away with 40-50 heavy miner’s bags for my trouble. No, I’m not a special snowflake. Many more can do the same things. Those are the people who possess the capacity to learn and adapt their playstyle to the objectives they face.
Raising the BULL POOP FLAG!!!
I have 247 Prestines, and 88 Shards of Mists that say you are talking out your BUM about 30 mins lvl 40+ Dredge….
Running 20s and 30s on a bunch of characters doesn’t exactly prove anything. But hey, I’ll bite.
3-5 minutes to open the first door. 5 minutes to knock down the big door. 5-10 minutes to kill Rabsovich and his mobs. 5 minutes for a DPS party to kill the final boss. Taking into account less than optimal team buildup, mistakes, lag…it’s not at all unreasonable to do it in 30 minutes.
But your relics and shards don’t really mean much to me. This is after buying and upgrading about 10-15 rings over the last year.
Post a video of your pug team doing just this…..
Also, how on earth, being a “pro” as you are, would you need to upgrade any rings" I upgraded 2 of my 95+… you claim 10-15… Well I bought 4 magic find rings… oh oh and and ….
NOONE CARES!
I was not saying I was better than you, I was stating you are full of kittens stating 30 mins is no problem…
awaiting video of the pug team you had with 20 minute Dredge run
I had a staff skin drop at 42 today. I was very upset to see that the fractal container promise was not delivered on.
They never stated a fractal level that it would happen on, and they never guaranteed that at that level every fractal weapon drop would be a container. So it’s not that they didn’t deliver on a promise… they simply never made the promise you think they did.
Did you really just say that? I mean really did those words come from your keyboard?
What Dev Team Member have you not give a kitten to today? Either of them???
AKGeo.6048:Actually, if you were to read the posts above mine, you’d see that the people complaining about it in this thread are complaining about the difficulty, and that difficulty stems from the large numbers of mobs and the intricate mechanics required to progress (relative to other fractals, such as Battleground or underwater). They find it HARD to get past the dredge blocking the door. I find it easy with the right tools. Then they find it hard to kill the champion boss. I find it easy if you know where to stand. And if you want to speed up that fight, then you should figure out how to fight the boss in the middle of the “clown car” segment so you knock down both bars at once. As intended. Then they find it hard to kill the final boss. I find it easy if you have the right timing.
I can complete the dredge fractal at 40+ in a half hour, and come away with 40-50 heavy miner’s bags for my trouble. No, I’m not a special snowflake. Many more can do the same things. Those are the people who possess the capacity to learn and adapt their playstyle to the objectives they face.
Raising the BULL POOP FLAG!!!
I have 247 Prestines, and 88 Shards of Mists that say you are talking out your BUM about 30 mins lvl 40+ Dredge….
(edited by Max Gladius.6930)
^^ Revern…….. ^^
3 TIMES TODAY…. Casual Players leading a team… “oh, its been an hr and half, I gotta go to bed” LEAVE PARTY…… this is what it is becoming!!!!!!
“working as designed”
Did I note about the “20 to 30 minutes per each fractal” hahaha good luck even at lvl 1 for this fractal
I haven’t “rolled for swamp” in ages, ppl would leave my party, but me and a guildy felt, if they weren’t good enough to “play it live” then we didn’t want them anyway…
some ppl just want to be done with it considering that chances of getting maps like cliffside or dredge are pretty high
try to run high lv fractals, i had runs in the past where we got every possible crappy map and runs were unnecessary long
and should i remind you, rewards were pretty bad.. and still are to certain extend
if you gonna penalize ppl for rolling swamp might as well make path choice random in every dungeon out there and every p1 should have extra 100+ scaled up mobs just to be “fair”
If you have a good team (prior to this horrendously buggy update) you could do any of the fractals in any order….
Did you see the Developer team video of them running the 40+ bomb side with no thief?
No one has, reason:
HAHAHA Really, if it works at lvl 1 it will work at 50
There are only 2 developers working this
It would not be nearly as impossible because they would realize what exactly they have created….
They are not, there was some confusion from the Developers on this…
The situation was “do we make a waypoint in the Story Mode, or do we make the chest drop for fractal weapons as advertised”…. The 2 of them kept arguing and decided to release the waypoint 10 hours after the update, and will release the chest some time next month…..
I haven’t “rolled for swamp” in ages, ppl would leave my party, but me and a guildy felt, if they weren’t good enough to “play it live” then we didn’t want them anyway…
Fractals are more casual than ever because the difficulty from non-agony mobs has been reduced and farming agony to reach absurd levels is now possible – even via the TP.
Worse: you can also by-pass all instabilities! Yes: just ask/pay someone to open x0 levels for you and buy agony at the TP, tadam!
I am not sure if you are making fun of the updates, or are serious….
I have been a hard core fractal runner, and now, I will do only the following:
1 lvl 40 / day
1 lvl 30 / day
1 lvl 20 / day
I use to do the following
2-3 lvl 40s / day
3 lvl 30s / day
3 lvl 20s / day
I have 3 chars in the 40s zone, all could get daily chests… what does that mean… that means I use to do 3 runs, helping others get through, now my motivation and rewards are extinguished.
I am not saying “I carry teams”. What I am saying is many of us “hard core Fractalers” use to do multiple runs daily, helping others lvl up through, but now…
Why would we? What that means is the chances of Joe Smoe casual player to get on a good team is much rarer, and the rage quit chance of a team is much higher…
I think, at the top of the latter as u enter the cave, there should be a coin slot, like what was on the original super happy fun box thing….
“If all members of party deposit 10 silver, you will progress directly to the boss at the clown car”… they get their money, we can actually come close to the “all individual fractals are designed to take 20-30 minutes to complete”
I was about to say the same thing… hahaha do they need some QA on their forum moderation?
Also… I think this announcement was to “calm the masses” after the fractal update, armor update, random WTF R U thinking stuff with that update…
Bagel, don’t forget
> Makes the system so that players are not motivated to do more then 1 fractal run per level tier per day. Lowering the population of players doing Fractals.
> Promises “positive rewards” when still does not show any “positive rewards”
> Lowers the “rewarding levels” to one that really doesn’t make sense – Infused gear at lvl 20+, ascended weapons at lvl 10+
> Adds new "tricks to lvl 30+ fractals, but obviously didn’t test them out (read post on lvl 37 Mia Trim
> Makes the "gold reward a joke! you can speed run dungeons for more money a lot quicker
> I am out of energy on this topic…
Bagel, How dare you try to mention upcoming “kitten OFF THE WORLD” when we are still all venting on all the other things that are kitten ING OFF THE WORLD!
HAHAHA I saw that and all I could think was… “wow, are they trying to get everyone to go play other games or what”
Oh I too have done it w/o a thief, but I am sure they do not realize the difficulty involved, and to expect a random team to even complete it in the teens w/o a thief is going to be a high repair bill.
How bout them Bombs… don’t see a lot of others complaining about the Bombs and how its almost a guaranteed repair bill.
Did you guys see the Dev video of Dredge Fractal lvl 40+ bombs side without a thief?
I am so frustrated with so many changes to fractals and the “fixes” that are not needed, yet bugs that have existed since launch that I am not going to argue any more about why I think the difficulty and reward should be matched up.
Dev team, please post that video of you guys doing Dredge Fractal lvl 40+ bomb side w/o God Mode, and balance team…. (May make that my signature)
Is that quote correct though?
Today I did a lvl 20 fractal run and a lvl 14 one, yet only the first one gave me a daily chest reward. How come?1-10
11-20
21-30
31-40
41-50That’s why.
I still want to know for sure if fractal weapons come from level 10 dailies or not.
I hope not… it should be 10-19, 20-29… If not they broke yet something else…
It used to be 10-19, now it is 11-20.
Are they High? How does that even make cense to anyone? If AR goes up at 20, why would the rewards be based on the prior set? I would imagine 50, and only 50 have a special “category” being the highest level….
This is ridiculous… I am still waiting on a video from the dev / qa team of them running Dredge at 40+ bombs side, with their “balanced team” to show us how it is intended to be ran!
Is that quote correct though?
Today I did a lvl 20 fractal run and a lvl 14 one, yet only the first one gave me a daily chest reward. How come?1-10
11-20
21-30
31-40
41-50That’s why.
I still want to know for sure if fractal weapons come from level 10 dailies or not.
I hope not… it should be 10-19, 20-29… If not they broke yet something else…
Not going to waste your time telling you the same thing everyone else posts…
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