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Estimating the cost of a Gift of Fortune

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http://gw2legendary.com has all these costs, use it

Suggestion: Silverwastes Shovels

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I suggest a new MF recipe: 250 tier 5 material + some Bandit Crests + some Bandit Skeleton Keys + 2 or 5 Philosopher Stone = Shovel

Or something similar.

Why is equipment soulbound?

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Soulbound items are good for the economy.

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I can buy more storage expanders?

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I bought 1, it works.

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too long, I won’t quote it

I know that bots exist. However I doubt that this one is 100% undetectable. Anet can simply buy this bot, study it and ban all those players who use it.

And 99% of these programs/softwares/cracks/bots are scam or malware. You cannot trust anything nowadays.

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See? And this one is pretty simple because it works with the game client. I’m telling you. This is not players but bots, and ArenaNet should smash them with their banhammer ASAP

These bots can be detected easily. The way you move your mouse, the time you need to click or type is unique to you. Of course a more advanced bot that reads these data while you play is able to copy your behaviour, but if you can make a bot like this you will earn more money if you work as a programmer

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Charrbeque please read my whole post again, especially the edited part, I made the following:

I placed an order for 1 padding, price was 53c.
There were 2 orders for 53c, one of them was mine.
I sold 2 paddings for 53c.
I didn’t get a padding as expected.
The 2 orders for 53c were still there.
After I removed my order only 1 was there.

So the displayed number must be wrong.

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Charrbeque I tried it, bought 10 paddings and sold one by one to the 53c order. It seems like a bug to me, as there is no way to create a new order without using mouse clicks and it would take some time even for a bot.

Edit: I made an order for 54c, there was no instant outbid. After that I made an order for 53c, bought 2 paddings directly and sold them for 53c. I didn’t get the padding, so the displayed number on the 53c order is wrong (it remained 2 after I sold 2). So it is a bug.

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Let’s say you have an Elonian leather square that sells for 11g 50s then someone immediately undercuts by 1c then 20 other guys undercut them by 1c then someone undercuts them by 30s with a big stack. I don’t mean a precursor which wouldn’t be unusual but this much undercutting never usually happens in such a short timeframe. If it continues then people will simply sell mats for things individually as it’s lost money making the finished product eventually.

If you can afford to lose some gold then you can try to play with the prices to discourage other players from trading those items. Sometimes I have the same issue, and it is a tough decision to relist and lose profit or leave the item on the tp for weeks or months.

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Like I’ve been saying, this is a website that one selection will show you which bids and items you are selling are no longer the highest or lowest. It also tells you how many behind you currently behind at that price (ex: I bid 2.37s, high bid is 2.41s and there are 137 items currently above your bid).

Now to take advantage of that I need to alt tab between the browser and the TP in game to find the entries I’m told are no longer in the lead, update the bid and if I want pull my original bid.

That is nearly identical to using a site’s more advance TP search tool to identify potential profitable items to invest in and again, alt-tab between the browser and the game to put in the bids. There is still quite a bit of manual work required.

Obviously tools that could bot the TP directly are illegal. So in my eyes as long as a person is needed to take advantage of information from a sophisticated search and analysis tool, there is nothing wrong with it. As soon as a player isn’t required, the “Does this program allow someone to ‘play’ when he/she is not at the computer?” clause from Gaile’s post, then it’s illegal. Simply being better informed is not a “crime”.

I agree with you. As long as you have to actively play/click/browse to get the information you want → it is fine for me.

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Please read the answers you got in your thread again. Behellagh explained it in at least three posts how that works and what happened.

His answers were not accurate. These are low supply/low demand items, it means you can buy only a few in a day. If I check prices ingame I can see changes immediately. I could predict exactly when the next bid happened. After observing this for almost 1 hour I wrote down what I had seen. I also asked for confirmation, no one answered, but I am sure I can see the difference between the behaviour of a human and a bot.

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Except that policy is in reference to injectors, plug ins, overlays that ride on top of the game and by advantage in play they mean PvP/WvW. This is a website that anyone with a browser and their API key can use.

And you should at least look at what it can do before you come up with ideas about what it could do before you embellish it with God like powers because you are spinning some wild notions there about it controlling the TP interface in game.

It is difficult to argue with you. I did not embellish the API with God like powers, I made some examples what could be the next steps and asked you about your opinion.

So I will ask again: where is the limit in your opinion?

AFK killing & auto loot. ToS violation? [Merged]

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This is why DR exists. It is better to play actively for 30 minutes than killing while being afk for a whole day.

Answer these questions (it helps to decide):

Does it seem too good to be true?
Would your friends consider this to be an exploit?
Does it provide you with an unfair advantage over other players?
Could this be the result of a bug introduced with a recent update or new feature?
Does this seem like something that could be reasonably considered to be intended by ArenaNet?

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Conspiracy theories are all very well but most of the behaviour described in this thread can also be explained by a very busy TP. When I post a buy or sell order I usually “undercut” the existing best one by one copper. Often, one second later, someone will undercut me. That’s not a bot. That’s another player doing exactly what I just did but a fraction later. The volume of trades on the TP is huge and almost all of it is driven by real people, just buying and selling stuff. Try this, choose a popular crafting material and place a buy order a few slots above the current best offer. That order will usually be filled within minutes. That gives you a feel for just how many trades there are.

It’s easy to think that a small handful of bots are running the show but, actually, it’s a large number of players making lots of independent trades. If you were going to make GW2 bots you’d make farming ones rather than trading ones.

You are right, the trade volume of popular materials is huge and you can see instant undercuts/outbids.

I posted charts of suspicious activity in a previous post of some low supply/low demand items (exotic daggers): 1 person (I know this, because he always bought 11 daggers and immediately cancelled his previous bid after creating a new one) outbid his own offers by 1 copper at least 40 times when there were no other competitors. Every outbid happened exactly after 5 minutes, I checked it ingame. I still cannot explain it, but it doesn’t look like human behaviour.

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Yes, it does give me and anybody who use it an advantage. Just like knowing what the trading range of an item via a chart can give someone an advantage in terms of setting a sale price gives me an advantage. Since we don’t get item price history in game do you think these charts are also illegal? After all not everybody is aware of sites like GW2TP, GW2Spidy or GW2Shinies which provides historical charts. How about sites that give near real time estimates of profits from various activities like the Mystic Forge or salvaging or crafting or if you should open bags and sell their contents or just sell the bag? Is using that knowledge illegal in your mind as well since it gives those who use it an advantage over those who don’t?

How about if GW2BLTC didn’t reload my current bid page every five minutes but required a manual reload to see which bids have been outbid or not? Would it be illegal then because you don’t have to click on every item while remembering the price your bid was at to see if you’ve been outbid? That’s a lot of grunt work eliminated if I only have to click 20% of my bids to update them on the TP.

So where do you draw the line in your mind between legal and illegal advantage based on information exposed by the API ANet provided?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/support/Policy-3rd-Party-Programs-Multi-Boxing-Macros/first

An automated outbid alerting system is a 3rd party program that gives you advantage. Based on the linked policy, I think this shouldn’t be allowed.

In my opinion as long as you have to do things manually it is fine. For example if Gw2efficiency alerts you to make charged lodestones now, because profit is good → it’s a no. If you browse the site and you decide to make it → it’s ok. Or if you check a historical chart you can decide to flip or not to flip → it is fine. But if the website alerts you to flip it is not ok.

I agree that there is only a little difference, but if you allow it then you can ask: if it alerts me to update bids, can it also copy the item name to the clipboard? Can it also alt-tab back into the game? Can it make a macro (1 key 1 action) to open the trading post, click on the search bar and then paste the item name there? You can bind every movement, every click to a key. And you can just type qwertyui and you outbid your competitor with 1 copper. You repeat it 10000x times and you are rich.

I would like to hear your opinion about it: where is the line between legal and illegal?

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I don’t think that Bomber’s technic is profitable. First of all there are only a few highly traded items with a good spread. Imagine that there are only 10 people using this technic, they will eliminate each others profit quickly.

My question is: how do you prevent others from undercutting you? How do you prevent someone buying all of your ores for 1.52s? People are not dumb, someone will see what is happening, he will buy your cheap ores and sell them for 2.99s and you lose

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Now I know when I’m being out bid by using gw2bltc which beeps at me when any of my bids are no longer the leading one and I’ve always assume that or similar websites are the way other players realize they got outbid. None that I know off will notify them that their high bid is now more than one copper higher. I never saw this before.

The bold part allows you to “play” when you are afk. I would like to see a response from anet: is it legal or not?

For me, it seems to be too much and unfair as it gives you an advantage over other players who don’t use it.

Website uses the API and your API key to look at your current TP bids (or items for sale or history of bought or sold). So it’s totally legal. It does nothing but makes a sound if I have my bids up when I’m logged into their website. It’s not like I can buy or sell.

If I create a bot using the API it won’t make it legal. This automated alerting system gives you advantage, because you don’t have to check dozens of orders every few hours manually. You can work/cook/clean your room and when you hear a ding you just update your order.

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Makes sense… so really all the have to do is randomise where the buy/sell window opens, even just a few mm would do it, they are small targets…. although the “Buy” button isn’t which could REALLY ruin their day!

That would be really annoying for me I don’t think this is the correct way to deal with this problem.

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Now I know when I’m being out bid by using gw2bltc which beeps at me when any of my bids are no longer the leading one and I’ve always assume that or similar websites are the way other players realize they got outbid. None that I know off will notify them that their high bid is now more than one copper higher. I never saw this before.

The bold part allows you to “play” when you are afk. I would like to see a response from anet: is it legal or not?

For me, it seems to be too much and unfair as it gives you an advantage over other players who don’t use it.

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I guess I’ll go ahead and mention it. I actually did find there is a trading post bot out there that automates trading post flipping. The bot uses player generated API keys for their accounts. It’s one of those types of bots that has no free trial (athough you can purchase a trial that lasts about a week) and you have to pay real money for it.

I think these “public” bots are not working. Anet can simply buy one and then they will know everything about it. When there is no free trial it is most likely a scam, and even if there is a free trial do not buy bots. Your account will be banned. It isn’t worth to lose everything you have. You did the right thing when you reported it to anet.

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As far as i recall, the unofficial trading post API was Read_Only aswell back then, as the official one is now.

Yes, you are right, my mistake, it is too late What I wanted to say is that you cannot use simple http requests to modify your listings, of course you can use the API to collect data. But even if I have the data that I have to update 100 orders I can only do it manually.

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sending a HTTP GET Request isn’t exactly rocket science… nor would it look any different on their side than any other Request being sent.

I am 100% sure that this no longer works. It worked in the past, but not since the end of 2014.

Nerf zerg farm -suggestion

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People will always find new ways to farm. We all need these people who bring balance to the economy, they provide enough supply for us. Without them, prices would go up and down like a roller coaster. Players would struggle to create their legendary or ascended items. Anet will change things (nerfed tunnel farm, key farm etc.) if they think they have to.

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so what exactly are you talking about. you quote my response which talk about removing tp tax.

You wrote about adding fee to buy orders not removing the existing tp tax.

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It actually encourages the bot. Since now bots will always have the lowest listing.

Imagine you are trying to sell a legendary. The bot keeps relisting the item and undercuts you by 1 copper.

If I sell a legendary I won’t relist it as it will cost me over 100g. I will be glad to see the bot wasting gold on this I have several expensive items on the TP, but I won’t relist them, I consider them to be long term investments.

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how does that even help?

there actually should be fee for buy listing too to stop bot.

It is an interesting idea. If the spread between buy orders and sell listings is small then it will force players to buy from sell listings. Also there would be a risk of overbidding and you will lose your gold.

On the other hand it would reduce 1c overbids and it would work as a gold sink. So the question is: do we need more gold sinks?

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It’s definitely odd and I can think of a couple of reasons why you might see something like this that don’t involve bots, none very compelling. However, I can’t think of a more compelling explanation that involves bots. Given the responsiveness of the TP, it’s hard to imagine how even a bot could instantaneously replace a listing. And if they could, how could they manage it across a slew of listings? And even if they managed that, the rate of gold acquisition has got to be pretty small for the risk.

They don’t have to watch the whole TP, just their own current transactions. I agree with the last part, making 2-3s profit is simply too little.

RNG, what are the chances?

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Truth and Stardust are pretty common from champion bags, they have the highest supply among exotic weapons:

https://www.gw2bltc.com/en/tp/search?rarity=Exotic&type=Weapon&level-min=76&buy-max=20000&ipg=100&sort=supply

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I heard from somewhere that captchas are a very popular thing to implement, like say, every third node, to prevent a small minority of controlling the market ;p

That hurts!

I think anet can easily ban these bots, even if they let them farm for a few days it is because they are collecting data about newer versions of the bots.

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  1. Captcha is universally more annoying than throttling. I’ve never ever been affected by throttling in this game; I would be (by the guidelines you suggested) be impacted by captcha. In any case, folks that are using illegal software to speed up their purchases always find a way to make it efficient more quickly than the average player.
  2. I don’t know what you look like. I wasn’t speaking about your overall experience. I was referring to the limited experience of the particular anecdote upon which the suggestion was based — in a fair economy, overbidding will happen more often, not less.

I agree that captcha can be annoying if it is used too often. Even if my suggestion was not the best, it looks like that anet made an update (reddit dev comment: “Guys, Tech said there was an update made, however, the change needs to get out to the datacenter, and your browser cache needs to refresh.”). I can’t see those same quick overbids now. Gw2tp website is down. Maybe this is just a coincidence. Maybe not.

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You are reading into it too much. Even at 5 minute intervals between samples, that’s a lot of time where other things may be happening.

I use the supermarket analogy. You walk down the cereal aisle and count the number of boxes of say Capt’n Crunch. You then walk around the for 5 minutes and come back and count them again. Now whatever the difference between the counts, you weren’t there to witness why they change. You could take an educated guess but that’s it. You may be right but unless you witness it, you don’t know for sure.

You see the number of bids constant while the price rises and came to a conclusion that someone is bidding up on their own. It could also be multiple players outbidding one another while pulling their previous bids so the overall count is the same. Two interpretations of the same facts.

Bids are more difficult to analyze than sell orders due to the nonrefundable nature of a sell order. When we see the total number of orders go down and the current low go up, it’s likely a sale rather than someone pulling their order. However the number of bids can change irregardless to them being filled as players reclaim old underbids because they found a better use of that capital.

You missed a part where I said: " It happens exactly when the website refreshes the data, I checked it ingame. Exactly 5 minutes. On multiple items. "

I was refreshing the ingame TP, where you can see changes immediately. After 5 minutes, all of the buy orders were raised by 1 copper with a few seconds difference (time of clicking) and the previous order was removed right after it.

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First rule of TP fight club is not to talk about your markets. Even ones that currently aren’t profitable because everything is cyclical and may once again be.

I’m not Wanze. I’m small fry and I’ll tell you that in the last week I made roughly 100 gold on the TP. That said I made 25 of that gold yesterday. I’m getting into a new market and I’m getting far better at turning over bids compared to when I started a few days ago. But I still play and not simply live on the TP. I do roughly 3 passes a day, when I get up, when I get home and when I go to bed. And the more I get into a rhythm and streamline analyzing and setting up the bids for the day, the more time I have to play.

I appreciate that you shared this information with me. I have a similar method to refresh my orders: after getting up, before lunch, at prime time and before going to sleep. Sometimes I refresh twice at prime time, because of the high number of casual players who don’t list items just sell them to the highest buy order.

Making 100 gold in a week is not bad at all if you can maintain it for months with little effort. You are right that time is precious, and humans don’t have unlimited time to place orders and also play the game.

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Except I don’t see the pattern you think you are seeing.

Bidding a specific number of items or always having your bid end in “3” are ways players tag their bid if they aren’t using a legit site that uses their API key to track their bids and audibly notify and highlight when they are out bid. If they use such a site it’s easy to update the ones that are outbid. Now depending how much gold they have on hand they may not go back and remove their old bid as that takes time and may only clear out old bids at the end of their session or trading period or if they have a better use for that gold. After all they may be actually playing the game if they have a notifier website up in the background and only have time to outbid.

There are a lot of players in this game and it’s inevitable that you will be competing for some TP niche with others. And in all likelihood you will run into players who are watching their bids like hawks and are willing to one up you indefinitely including wiping out all profit in hopes that you lose interest in that market and move along. That’s the PvP nature of TP play.

I agree with the highlighted part. I do this as well. On the other hand using a website that notifies you… Well, there are 3 questions that might be familiar:

- “Does this program allow someone to play faster, better, longer, or more accurately than someone who doesn’t use it?”
- “Does this program allow someone to ‘play’ when he/she is not at the computer?”
- “Does this program allow the user to gain undeserved rewards?”


I attached an image, you should look here. 5 minutes → 1 copper buy order raise, and there were no other bidders (ordering same quantity with a constant time interval means only 1 player), I watched this for hours. The same happened with the other 2 items, you can check them, too.

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It seems that almost everyone here is a better trader than me. I don’t want to know your secrets, but can you tell me how much do you make in a day with trading?

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By the evidence you produced to support your claim that it’s needed, you you do look like a player who doesn’t know trading post mechanics or at least the scope of how many players are using it as well as methods they use to “tag” their bid and websites that provide notifications about being outbid.

Read it again carefully please, you can also check the graph. Is it a human like behaviour to overbid your own bids 52 times when there are no other bidders? I know the possibilities of GW2 api, but then this shouldn’t happen. Can you explain it?

There are not as many players as you think. Mithril ore and elder wood log can be sold in seconds but these daggers have very low supply and demand.

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No. It would hurt legit players more than it harms illegit ones and even the very concept is based off an incorrect interpretation of the limited experiences offered by the OP.

You made 2 statements, but you haven’t proved anything.

1. Why is a simple captcha more annoying than the current system when selling a lot of items? And we don’t have any information about the average number of buy orders. If it is 200 then yes, it can be annoying. If it is 20 then the majority of the players will never see this.

2. How do you know that I have limited experience? Do I look like a player who doesn’t know trading post mechanincs?

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I made an experiment in the past few hours, with simple flippable items, all of them had >90s spread and >60% profit initially. I raised the prices aggessively until I reached almost 0 profit.

https://www.gw2tp.com/item/46202-dire-pearl-carver
https://www.gw2tp.com/item/46201-rabid-pearl-carver
https://www.gw2tp.com/item/26134-berserkers-iron-dagger-of-rage

I attached one of the graphs, because after some time prices will change. As you can see other orders have the same quantities, 11 and 31 (sometimes 11 is only 10, because of a purchase, but it will go back to 11 in a few minutes). My order is the 3rd one with 1 item.

Is it good for them? Having 9 copper profit from an exotic dagger? They put 27g & 75g in buy orders to make a really tiny profit. Maybe these daggers will go to the MF to get a Spark, but if the chance is 0,79% (from wiki), then it wouldn’t be as profitable as simple flipping. (While I was writing someone bought a lot of daggers that made a larger profit for these orders).

If you see someone who is crazy and raising price fast, would you stop or keep overbidding?

While writing this, I noticed that the top order is raising by 1 copper every few minutes. 2g kitten 43c currently, and as you see on the screenshot it was only 40c. Why would any human being do this when there is no other bidder? And now 44c. Any explanation?

I looked closely, zoomed in the graph: in every 5 minutes there is a 1 copper raise. It happens exactly when the website refreshes the data, I checked it ingame. Exactly 5 minutes. On multiple items. Not possible if it is a human being. Someone please confirm that this happens.

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Oh God no to capcha. Most of the money that players make on the TP is because other players let them by selling to highest bidder rather than placing a sale as well as buying lowest sale item rather than placing a bid.

I place bids, collect purchases, manipulate what I just bought (salvage, craft, promote, unbundle) and place sell orders with what I get when I’m done manipulating. Simply taking advantage of the gap between buy and sell (aka flipping) isn’t the only or most profitable way to “play” the TP. It’s more than three dozen and that doesn’t include the items I get while playing that I sell.

This is yet another “I can’t/don’t want to use the TP to earn money so lets punish those that do” thread. It’s been a while.

I am disappointed that you have this conclusion after reading my post.

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Someone talk about it before. He says he and his guild got banned for it.

I would suggest just invest better. You don’t even need to flip 150 items. Some times investing in one item can pay of, just more risky.

If I knew a better investment I would do that. It is not just simple flipping, I’ll tell you an example: a few weeks ago I made some gold with the following: I bought Charged Cores because they were very cheap, upgraded to Lodestones, crafted Superior Rune of the Scholar and sold them. It was nice, until I made too many and flooded the market

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I’d recommend pricing items appropriately. And waiting. Bot or no bot, you got outbid. Leave the system alone.

Also, I’d recommend if there is a limiter, it’s to the number of buy-sell orders available. That would hedge in the number/quantity of orders botters can invest in. Maybe JS has the average number of active sales per player listed somewhere.

I don’t agree with the first part of your comment. I would like to make a simple example:

I can make 30s profit with buying 1 item and I buy 20/hour of it. If I raise the price by 20s, my profit will be only 10s, so I will have to buy at least 60/hour to have the same profit (or even more, because if I sell a lot it will increase supply and price will go down). It would ruin my and everyone else’s business. Well, I can try that, to see how they react.

The second part of your comment is an interesting idea, but it would give advantage to those who have multiple accounts.

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Then that could be something I would consider questioning. I would still take into account that a lot of players using the TP throughout the day so maybe you just experienced bad luck and had one or two very persist players. I sometimes babysit orders that I need filled because I don’t want to wait but don’t want to outright buy them.

I don’t think that it is bad luck. it lasted for a week, I had enough time to observe it. You can see the pattern of other orders (quantity, price, timing) and you can distinguish different strategies and players. If you use the laggy and slow TP it would take ages to check every order manually. I just don’t know how is it possible to manage hundreds of orders easily.

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I’m not asking for help. I was just trying to determine what it was that you were placing orders for which would shed light on why you were quickly outbid. If you were placing orders on items that have a high turnover then of course you’d get outbid. I constantly get outbid on items such as charged lodestones.

Oh, okay. Compared to charged lodestones these items have very low turnover, low supply and low demand.

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May I ask what your 100+ orders consisted of?

Send me a message if you need some help how to invest your gold.

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If completing the captcha meant the timer is reset then absolutely yes. I run into it at least two times just by selling daily fractal loot.

I agree, that timer is really annoying if you want to empty your inventory.

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A vehement response like that might suggest that you are using one of these. But then again I do work in network security and that just makes you suspect in my eyes.

I’d be all for it for both Buying and Selling. Make it at random intervals too.

Random intervals is a nice idea. I am sure anet can come up with a fast, easy and not annoying solution.

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I personally wouldn’t worry about people over bidding you on buy orders. I just put a ton out there, and sit back and wait. I got better things to do then sit there and watch them. The next day, I get about 50% of my buy orders, which is just fine for me. Don’t sit there and watch them dude, that has to be painful.

That’s what I did at first, I created 120 orders, went to play and enjoy the game and after 30-60 minutes only 10-20 were on top. And it happened again and again and again… The important thing is: if there would be millions of players trading, why are those prices so low? They should be way closer to the point where you barely make profit, but if you are overbid quickly then you can’t earn any gold, so you will leave this section of the market and try other ways. Time is precious, and human beings don’t have unlimited time.

I agree that enjoying the game is the most important, I really enjoy trading and crafting and I am happy with the amount of gold I made in 1 week.

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I had a free week, so I decided to play the TP a bit, creating a lot of buy orders. It seems that a few players are controlling a huge part of the trading post, making hundreds of golds every day.

These players can update their buy orders really fast. It took me about 30 minutes to refresh my 120-140 orders, but when I finished, a lot of them were already overbid by 1 copper. As I wanted the best gold/hour for myself I started thinking… how is it possible to react so fast and how can I copy their strategy?

I came up with an idea using gw2tp to be able to track my orders. It was simple and effective, it helped me a lot, but it was still too slow because prices aren’t refreshed every minute on the site. I still have no idea how is it possible to manage a huge number of orders. When I left the market and removed my buy orders, suddenly the crazy overbidding stopped and now most of the prices are decreasing slowly.

As I was browsing I found some unauthorized 3rd party softwares which offered solution to this problem, making the whole process automated. I know anet is working hard to find all of these and ban their users, but I would suggest to implement a captcha or similar tool to prevent placing too many buy orders with just mouse clicks. I mean after placing 10-20 orders, so it wouldn’t be annoying, but it would hurt those who try to cheat.

Would it help the economy to implement such a feature? What do you think?

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You have to check another thread about the same thing:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/World-versus-World-Flame-Ram-spamming/first#post297109

One of them wrote there his opinion. They are Hungarian, their home server is WSR.