Guild Wars 2

I had fun back in the day with 6 man fp roam in WO… felt like a 6 man duel when u met other crews, almost the same adrenaline (duels will always be king for that). This is not the case here tho.. this is, and feels like a 20 man duel, kind of unprecedent in gaming.. closest thing irl would be coliseum staged fights, or maybe Florentine soccer (those guys have a ball but its irrelevant)

Hello Devon, welcome to the thread. Thank you for stopping by. The paste, although a bit vage, mildly suggests we should be worried about the continuity of our practices, at least short term. It’s a bit unsettling, but I understand the logic behind your decision. I only ask you guys to consider something on the lines of this:

Jinks.2057:

Ask for option to turn off orb bonuses ala commander tags

This not only solves GvG but FC duels as well.

Now get me my GvG forums

Seems rather easy to me, but of course I know nothing of your struggles. Just hoping you see to ours.

Guys, give it some time to cool down, its still not totally processed.. i mean it just stopped uploading like 5m ago chill you junkies)) otherwise ur good, there u go!

Stop blowing up the scene while im busy working!! :/

Omg I feel a lil embarassed about the chat thing… never a fan of chat terrorism, but it got you in here Danicia, it kinda worked Always knew you saw us, but as a sage mentioned before, you’re not going to say anything untill you actually have something to say. We know how the cookie crumbles, cool beans. Thanks for the “hi”

About the show: youtube tells me 2h from this edit :O

Jinks.2057:

This picture confirms that the GW2 Thug for Life is very in touch with his X chromosome….

You dont get my Troll 2 reference? Omg im underwhelmed… i was actually killing two birds with one stone :P You leave me no choice but to remove your scholarship, your titles and your lands. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

On another note, the episode is looking beefy as kitten, expect a SHOW with capital letters this Saturday, ladies and gents o/

EDIT- Jokes aside, the idea to be able to turn buffs of is simply genius, ill make sure to insist on this in ep7 addendums. You made it kid. Also the GvG forums, its like youre on fire man.

saiyr.3071:

What have you done, Ogre, what have you done!!

Jinks.2057:

Ask for option to turn off orb bonuses ala commander tags

This not only solves GvG but FC duels as well.

Now get me my GvG forums

Do everything this man asks you to do. He seems a gentleman and a scholar.

Meaning 3 orbs = 15% /+150 ??

We’re done for.

Is this confirmed Jahn?

Really worried with all im reading.. I honestly hope Anet understands the ecosystem theyre dealing with… orbs as we knew them would destroy any semblance of seriousness in the gvg scene, and could completely freeze it… or worse.

Magic find, gold find, karma boost… those are acceptable. Go nuts with those and u’ll see a flock of pver’s come through the portals. But please dont destroy us carelessly.

I was under the impression Marty reviewed hot cases on request… video proof should be enough, Dranul.

Edit- i was wrong it seems, kitten Marty and me syncro a lot I feel you Marty, I can barely play anymore, alltho ive been wanting to for a bit now.

I was planning to use the new wvw ones Yaro, they get tons more of attention. This is a cementery.

Dranul.2094:

So here’s to a healthy and fun vibrant future for the GvG community.

Cheers!

That made total and complete sense Sabull. You should drink more often :P

Big news: TUP entered the scene. Literally the only living progenitor of GvGs as we know em… 1 of the 2 crews that started it all. They cashed an older Menelya win for insta #2, thats what i call an entrance

While I appreciate your effort Elder, the problem I have with all this is that it seems convoluted on purpose, kind of like law or finances are… in the spirit of making it sound complex and imposing. Double edge sword, and really, all those paragraphs could be summarized in 3 or four lines. Wouldnt look as flashy tho, but to the rookies it is more appealing and reasonable.

If you really want to do this you gotta come up with a clean, easy and very short exposition. Keep it simple ppl.

My 2c, as always, no more no less. o/

That was a beutiful explanation Odinzu, thank you very much. As a SC veteran I can apreciate 20 shouldnt be much of a leap.. y 33% more, doable. It might be tricky to get a good proportion, specially since teams can adapt. Bench power is going to be a factor as the meta evolves. Holy ghost im hyped

Im watching TW vs RE and i cant beleive i overlooked this.. im a disgrace as host.. rly.. I remember reporting this with just a score to work with, but didnt go back on it huge mistake!! Incredibly high quality, half the match so far and im seeing the best counter thief ive seen so far in NA, amongst other interesting stuff… wow

Still not completely sure on the whole battle plan, but seems to involve the use of counter periphery. The actual Agg vs EP or a full explanation would be awesome tho o/

EDIT- Thank you very much Odinzu

Oh my God????

Im speechless.. wth? I need more info on this

What happened? Any comment from EP as to setup, strat and overall hapenings?

woah

What piffdaddy says is not only feasible, it has been done before. Warhammer Online had Scenarios, basically 10 and 15 man objective based etc. Winning those influenced the war effort by a great deal.. setting a good premade in the zone to queu for the local bg was key to burst a zone conquest meter. It worked out pretty well, and made small premades feel significant in the war effort.

Problem in this game is that for some reason they decided to split the pvp community, with a thick, iron wall of game UI and instanced worlds. The pvp community in games has always been volatile, with lots of already existing polarizations (noobs/pros, zergers/roamers, you name it) but fueling that with hardmode segregation was a mistake. You basically castrated the community by dividing it.

Now you got true pvpers on both sides of the fence, arguing since the start about which side is more worthy/fun/skilled/competitive… pvper civil war. Ideally it should be an ecosystem where the premades and top guilds pick the seeds in roamers and freelances, and the zerg rolls and does its thing in the overall war… always fearful of the mass combat pros. Then the duelists gather at offpeak to do their thing and happy ending. All in the “realm war”.. under one roof. WHO did that well.. too bad it did a kittenload of other things wrong. I loved that game tho :_)

Well, Lanimal, it’s a deathmatch after all, the simplest condition to achieve victory: kill em all!!! I see no problem here… struggling to the last man is a double edge sword as far as morale goes. I personally dislike dying even if my team lost/wiped, for instance. On the other hand I very much enjoyed bashing the struggling remains of an enemy team… and you cant rule out comebacks, rare but real.

Only high level bouts last longer than a minute anyways, or so i seem to percieve. Its a fast biz, the deathmatch biz o7

@Lanimal: I know some of you guys give a lot of importance to warrior warbanners, but honestly, as a warrior who has barely even slotted the skill myself (i certainly didnt use it ever while in RG, and you know how that goes) I cant but disagree.

As an image is worth more than a thousand words, I recommend you watch SPRT vs OPT on the tube… I think i counted 12 banners at some point… guess what? SPRT lost regardless.

They are a good resource if you got a couple of specialists aboard that know how to and when to drop em, but they are a heavy dps sacrifice.. that choice defangs many builds/crews in favor of cheap aces in the sleeve that go unused or missused many times.

At any rate, I dislike the talk about skills, its really not our place to consider restricting these. Consumables on the other hand are external to characters and classes and should indeed be regulated, as they are.

“Its already pretty messy” cant be seriously a counter argument to ghost tonic regulations. And i cant really agree with your “cleaning=dumbing down” logic, its very much the opposite.

Regardless of any disagreements i appreciate your input and support friend o/

So far i see no counter point to “for the fans!” in regards to the ghost tonic issue.. and clearly beign no biggie for anyone id say its pretty clear what we must do. I mean, getting over tradition is always hard, but you will see the benefit in the long run.

Id rule ghost tonics are only legal when both teams agree on its usage. Its fair, reasonable, and will promote only good stuff (flashy show, easy to differentiate teams and players, resurgence of other tactics and the odd impressive guild clone team) If you consider everything this seems like the most reasonable and positive option for the community overall.

Also, I sense we all agree on the townsclothes. Please feel free to contribute, we are all one. I actually think its very posible I’ll feature the fruits of these debates on the show.

PD- IRON is for real
edit – Brospeed! submit to change!! :P

Dont see the cheese in moaing Zumos, its a valid strat. Nothing more than using your skills right? It can be countered in many ways, and its not like the moa has 1hp.

My point about pots beign a nuisance to spectators and overall meta study and viewership still stands.. if its not such big of a deal, and you top crews got ways around it, why not just let it go? Im looking after the show aspect of it all, because it has potential. Ppl already gather why not give em a good one?

I mean, kitten once i had like 50 g tonics on me, ive used em a lot, but we gotta be ready for bigger changes in our way to the mainstream. It just makes sense. Just my 2c here tho.

That is incredibly awesome and covenient Caliban, guess it shows how much ive used those overall :P Might have to get myself an up to date set :/ And maybe a shave

My vote would go for enforcing town clothes on spectators then. No risk involved and would be neat as hell to see plus added security and easier to spot hooligans and terrorists.

As for the ghost tonics.. you gotta think audience here… meta & terrain already make it pretty cluttered and hard to read at times, ghost multiplies that effect to absurd levels. I got no prob with guilds pulling of amazing team effort and showing up as exactly the same toon with 2-3 variations, that could be incredibly amazing. Much better than ghost gallore, and much easier to follow.

Big point beign made here… I like the idea of town clothes for spectators, but it could lead to terrorism. I mean any decent pvper will give it a thought after seeing troves of defenseless and almost naked fans gather. We cant forget there is a war going on.

And about ghost pots.. valid claim, this tradition might be a carry over from WvW mentality that really doesnt fit in clean-cut fair and square competition. Thoughts are welcome, but if i try to be unbiased, I see them going.

Maybe it was all for better, the thread needed a change tbh, the focus shouldnt be my videos, the scene talk is more important. My videos are a footnote that add hype, thats all. Support the scene in the [[Unoficial GvG Scene Thread]] o/

Howdy everyone! This threads purpose is to give a place to the GvG scene talk. Since the guilds that practice GvG form the strong core of the WvW population, and the matches are celebrated in WvW maps, there is literally no place better for us than here, our home.

These matches were born out of the desire to answer a very simple question:

-“WHICH GUILD IS THE STRONGEST?”

The questions are formated in 15v15 and 20v20 deathmatch rounds, formulated traditionally in the green fields of the southern frontier camp. Spectators typically attend the match, placing themselves in the slope. Food buffs are allowed, but sigil and guard stacks are frowned upon, as is ressing stomped players.

Newcomers feel free to ask any questions to the veterans, and vets, please direct all your news, comments and feelings on the scene here, for easier grabbing :P

Love you all stay strong o/

Register your guild, follow scores and ladder, and watch my GvG videos here, in GvG.com
http://gw2gvg.com/
(Webmaster MartyPartys.9187)

Gudradain.3892:

40+

Sure you can down 40 up-level in blue gear when you run with a good organize group of 15 players, but that’s not the point. Try to down 40 level 80 all in exotic or ascended gear with WvW build even if they are not doing zerg bursting…

How about full zone blobs that are using the same TS channel following a zone commander? Someone link this guy the videos, rly… You’re out of your element, Donny.

Btw I see you defending us in sPvP forums, whats your real game?

GvG was born in WvW… it is practiced by WvW guilds, in WvW maps. This is our place. Nobody has fought harder for the realm wars than the guilds involved in GvG k? You got that?

We are here to stay, until an oficial stance is taken about us. We have earned that right, copiously. Casuals with hardly any bodycount in the realm wars, or tryhards with barely any influence aside from zergballin should refrain from crossing our path or giving us advice.

I can fight all the wanabees, haters, nobodies… but i wont fight Anet. They give in to a single troll and vanish the thread to oblivion? Not feeling very motivated tbh. I mean, responding literally to EVERY thread in the main page except ours wasnt funny enough, now this. Picture my Jimmies rustled.

Very logical and coherent to move us and leave other stuff like asuraball there. Massive loving. We’re suddenly worst than that pver infection. Baffled really.

The perfectionist inside me died a little when i realised i forgot to complete the special thanks rotulation (and missed like 4 names), and that for some odd reason the pimp my gvg rotulation misaligned slightly on render. Maybe someday ill make a flawless episode, so far its resisting X_X
Thanks for the support and feedback guys, I love u. Feed me GvGs

You know, ive been playing since release and thats the first time i see that tower :P I might take a hike, the world is beautiful and huge

I like your idea. Oddly enough Ive been thinking about a similar thing lately, how awesome would it be to have a pitfall arena for GvGs, ala Soulcalibur… could be freaking hilarious to see a massive team ringout, and would give depth to the pushback/positioning game.. regardless, a floating arena encased in a floating island is too awesome an idea not to back up o/

You might have to wait a bit for true HD… otherwise enjoy <3

ALL EPISODES HERE o/
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW6U8YNJUgtnsi5pa-SIj-ons2QHbZQ2k
We shall endure. We shall rebuild. We shall behave.

Feel free to post your comments and suggestions, I try to take notes of everything. Thank you very much for your support

NEW EPISODE EVERY SATURDAY

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problematic.9623:

So, Ogre. I saw the VoTF vs Scnd video on youtube. Is that going into espisode 6?

Aye, i was actually at a party, but i couldnt enjoy myself thinking on all the work i had left Getting into it now… Its gonna be juicy and packed this week guys! Trying to get some interviews in but sneaky RLs are sneaky :/

Healthy debate is healthy. So for now the more common ground is 15-20… cool beans.

I rly think there is tons of room to innovation and single player shine, even in this template. Beign a triple A worker, periphery, destroyer, counter… all take skill and experience. A lot. You can see it in the rooks; the combat sense, the peels, the retalitation manage, the positioning, the cd management… it takes time to get to gold standards… its clear as day for me whos there and whos not, tbh.

As for the setups etc, I get the feeling we will soon start seeing more wild teams as more ppl join our little community. Or maybe im just hoping rly hard. Time will tell.

Thats like a revolutionary train of thought Jinks, but yeah, im leaning that way, maybe not so deep… id say 15 legit, 10 cool which is a huge leap. Id watch more 10vs tho, to form a better opinion.

I can see Anet mainstreaming 10v, makes sense. Id go 5/10/15v tho, 3 leagues. 3 weight divisions, literally.

5 is the arena… weird stuff and individuals shining. Weird teams.. A bridge to the sPvP community.
10 mainstream point most people can resonably get to without beign a huge WvW guild.
15v as the heavyweight, where you see big block movements and book strat.

just brainstorming here, might have spouted nonsense :P

Stop poking around, hesitating aimlessly flute, just do it man. Its high time.

Make a team. Lead it. Compete. 15 man is easy to assemble. Crush em man, crush em all. I’ll put you in the spotlight. Lets see if the rp’ers and pvers can take you out or not. Let’s see you rise in Glicko 2 by killing the same rookie crew repeteadly.

Show us what u got flute. In all honesty we’re eager to watch.

It’s showtime, flute. Talk now or go silent forever.

Watching matches in the tube, considering features… saw opt vs sprt, in one round you can count 10 warbanners they didnt matter tho, sprt still lost. Warrior can bring so much more to the table than just that :/

Upload your matches fast if you want them featured this week… eagerly awating a good resolution pov of votf vs scnd :P

Me, i’ll sign anything that furthers our cause, even if its only a small shout for attention… imo GvG mode is going to be implemented… the question is when, not if. Ofc the specifics will be up to Anet and only to them… dont expect to be consulted, its not their style.

But honestly, it would be foolish to overlook the potential of a community driven activity that fits perfectly in the game theme. Looks like an easy implementation too.

Im hearing all your feedback guys, its just that sometimes i cant cope to answer everything. But trust me, I take notes. An example, this begginers GvG guide for all you rookies out there. Did that in a couple of hours so expect roughness and simplicity. Hope it helps <3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzLESoBiI_U
No comment on Scnd vs VotF since its looking like the main feature this week

Grab it while its hot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQz5yilgG7Q

Edit-ok maybe give it some time for better res :P

Hellish night for me, must have aged like 10 years in the process… upload froze at 60%, and considering my crawling speed almost had a stroke… stood like an hour before i manned up and reseted browser :O Resumed with np

Its at 80% as im wrting this, thing is i didnt consider that this beign the biggest file so far, it was going to take a so much longer. Timer says exactly two hours to end from now, but i dont know about post processing from tube. Anyways, its safe to say delivery will occur within the next few hours. Sorry for the sloppy joe job -_-

Rendering as we speak, Id say 6-7 hours for release from this post o/

EDIT- Worst has happened, blackout in the middle of render… i thought i was toast, guys… saw freakin sparks in the tower ºOº lost all the days work, but pulled a flash gordon off and redid everything in record time (learned a kitten lot of resolution in the process). Delayed to early saturday, but expect gr8nss.

Wooooo just woke up wtf!! grz Agg and NS omfg!! Did i hear match of the week? holly ghost gentlemen, holy kitten ghost….

Supr, thought I mentioned it in the last episode, but the idea is to have a release each saturday. Expect next one then o/

Hoping to make great justice to the gift those two monster crews gave us <3

problematic.9623:

RG…VoTF. Ogre. Jackie. Do you understand each other now? Are you going to compromise?
Make two ladders.
One that includes (historical matches for historical reference of who was active at certain times).
One that is reset like normal ladders after a certain amount of time with a winner declared.
Lets point out that the game format is not being assisted by developers and it is unusual for players to be making structure decisions…

Thats got to be the voice of reason if i ever heard one. It only makes sense to have a sort of fresh start, if we really want to get serious about this. At the same time, a registry of all matches, altho ambitious, isnt a far-fetched possibility considering the system already in place.

Im unsure of everythign else tho, but seasons as an overall concept could work. Maybe 3 month seasons? With Glicko and everything. Dunno, brainstorm welcome.

EDIT- Trice, lol youre right, I considered Deathclock inactive, but i see ive been missing out the past week! I gotta stop roaming forums and actually wake the kitten up, thanks for the heads up.

Blix.8021:

GvG is way more important to this game’s community than idiotic tower flipping, sorry

Preach on, brother!! o/

Gentlemen, I think the seriousness and the e-pn pressure cannot and shouldnt be avoided. Let me explain:

What we have now, under the current gvg.com ladder system, is an open, ongoing, free for all GvG tournament. The division or rather weight check control is basicaly the crews free will to commit to a match and make it official. I see no problems here, considering what we have to work to begin with.

Public slander or rumors shouldnt taint in any way our endevours, those will always be there, specially considering the nature of these activities. E-pn is at stake yes, this is fact. Human nature acts acordingly. This cannot be avoided.

Regarding that Jack, Im still wondering why VotF hasnt registered the legendary matches they fought with RG. I heard a “fresh start” rumor, which unsettled me, considering im a fan of history. Not really caring much, but yesterday i read some random public concerns. True story.

yiishing.9057:

Oh man, whenever GW1 is brought to the table I’m always wondering what the person is trying to achieve. GW1 is a totally different game, and in terms of gameplay mechanics it makes no sense to compare GvG fights from both games to each other.

It makes sense in many ways, dont let your holy cow sindrome overtake you. Everybody is beign reasonable.

yiishing.9057:

GvG in GW2 evolved over the last 6 months naturally and the scene is where it is, but will never be in the same spot where GW1 GvG was. And it makes no sense to push it in that direction. Leave GW1 where it is, and move on.

No one wants to go towards it, we just want an official format recognition for GW2 GvG, a gamemode created by players, supported by players, practiced and studied by players. Demanded by players, if you might. Thats the very definition of community driven. Its not Anets model… its certainly not a GW1 model either… its our model. That kind of has a unique value in itself,and is precious.

yiishing.9057:

The other thing is, that GvG right now has no strict rules (right now). Numbers, how many rounds, winning conditions

Well, if you refer to the fact no game mechanic enforces u to do anything, youdontsay.jpg. But overall, theres a pretty fixed setup of rules: same numbers, to death. Its simple, extremely so.

yiishing.9057:

The game itself is aimed at casuals, lots of RNG and hidden stuff which is not clearly documented to get a competetive scene going.

I see extreme contradiction in that statement. Regardless, it could be argued the whole industry has almost exclusively focused on catering to the broad audience. I still consider this title the highest skill based mmorpg to date, tho.

yiishing.9057:

My point is: Let GvG develop. Think back to february what we had then, and now look where we are six months later. I would say, thats a pretty great evolution we’ve seen. Maybe we’ll see a few adjustments from ArenaNet to help develop this particular scene, maybe not. All we can do is what we’re already doing. Have as many organized fights as possible, thats the only thing pushing the scene forward..

My point is: having the hopes to be oficially recognised considering the current activity seems reasonable to me. Our fight club gets bigger by the minute, and is very active. I get the feeling you dont really take it very seriously, or rather that u try to give out that impression. Odd considering your guilds success and efforts. Those were certainly not casual.

Hope im not giving out a bitter impression, im as calm as an iceberg

A new custom is starting to develop to counter this “serious bussines” learning freeze thing… sparring bouts. Mostly born out of the refusal to compromise e-pn but a common will to scrap. Problem is it is seen as a missed opportunity by many.

You see the “serious biz” aura is rly a double edge sword… it makes everything so much more compelling and tense, important almost… but yeah, it kills experimentation and development.

This can only be fixed by a simple game mode implementation, maybe slotted monstruously in the sPvP frames. I would accept 15v baseline, seems more reasonable than 20, while retaining the small army feel. Deathmatch means fast fights, and the high count in teams makes it very accesible to the layman.

At any rate, its good to dream, but as of today our only way to endure serious biz spirit is to spar. Throng surfing is a very limited fountain of training, and will give you bad habits as a GvG crew.