Guild Wars 2

the hell is this? we constantly stack might and swiftness outside of fights and chaos armor inside of fights :o

It is an absolutely terrible idea to merge soloq and premade. It’s more or less the exact same as in free tournaments.

If you want to be even slightly competitive in this game you HAVE to get a team, there is no middleground, I assumed that a solo ranked que would fix this issue, but if they implement it this way nothing will help.

Take League of legends for an example, if you want to be serious/competitive/spend alot of time and get good at the game you can do that by going into ranked solo que where you meet nothing but other solo quers. Sure, it has its problems (read all the crying about elo hell etc) but it’s still a damn good way to make people interested in your pvp. League wouldnt be close to as big as it was today if ranked solo q was you soloqing vs 5 premades on skype.

in tpvp warrior is easily the rarest of picks and mesmer+thieves are the most common.

I never knew that I was able to counter the entire planet by simply swapping weapons.

This nonsense about ’’you’re now forced to make balanced builds’’ are words from pure ignorance and they make me wonder why you keep repeating this uninformed nonsense.

Here are a few funsies for ya’ll:

1. If you see a mass condition team you’re still able to not only swap utilities during the game, but you’re also able to set all your skills and the weapon during the game – the only thing this does is kill options. Stuff like swapping to greatsword on the side of clocktower etc has been hit. This was a mere minor play that wont change anything in the greater scheme of things, all it did was remove options.

2. Everyone had a core set of utilities, always. The one who swapped these utilities and made a real impact was a guardian, and these swaps were made BEFORE the match started based on the enemy composition.

3. Nobody used weapon swap EVER the way you guys put it. ‘’Oh, this guy is running x, I’m going to swap to Y and instantly win the game’’, it’s hilarious, do you seriously thing we’d be supporting that nonsense?

So every single one of your frankly ignorant arguments is stupid, aside from one, which I havent adressed yet which is:

‘’I don’t like having to open my inventory and clicking around, it’s annoying’’

Seriously?

Then don’t do it, clearly you’re not in the most competitive area in gw2 atm. And no, don’t get offended and try to say ‘’QP DOESNT MATTER’’ or anything like that in a similiar spirit to defend yourself, because you don’t have to.

You’re not in the part of gw2 where weapon swapping is a relevant, interesting part of the game that does NOTHING but add mechanics that any developer should want on this level. You’re on a level where you would NEVER have to weapon swap and you can still dominate your 8vs8, just don’t use it.

I don’t even know why I’m responding to you guys anymore, it feels like I’m talking to the walliest of wally wall walls. Of course teams will pick up Warriors now because of the Warhorn. 4shizzle.

The elementalist self rez has been out since the elementalist downed state skill was buffed, which was ages ago.

Tekla, that guy is 150 point QP in us, I’m not :]

FuVirus.6398:

What are you guys talking about???? mesmer’s get counterd sooo hard by assult guardians/trap rangers/necromancer pretty much every condition. kitten when will you people learn how to play your damn classes……. In P-TPvP mesmers are balanced now! finally! and btw our illusions are naked and just stand there in turnies.

What about 100b warrior/ backstab thief? you complain about 9 might stacks. Do you guys realize that the shatter damage wont be affect by those might stacks? You get the might stacks after you burst meaning it just gives mesmers like 10% more sustained damage.

Get off spvp zerg servers and play some paid tournaments……

’’mesmer’s get counterd sooo hard by assult guardian’’
No, stop shattering on shelter. Furthermore, dps guard is a very obscure pick because it falls off extremely in teamfights.

‘’trap rangers/necromancer pretty much every condition.’’
This is a 5vs5 game. Your teammates will fix the condi removal. If not, go nullfield. It’ll make me matchup in your favor vs necro.

‘’kitten when will you people learn how to play your damn classes……. ’’
I don’t know, maybe when you learn how to win easily winnable 1v1s vs some other classes?

‘’In P-TPvP mesmers are balanced now! finally! and btw our illusions are naked and just stand there in turnies.’’
I completely agree. Nevermind the fact that Mesmer has been a must have since the Beta and still are with the only good team I know of that doesnt use mesmer is Devils inside (and I also think they are gimping themselves by not using the Mesmer).
The naked clone thing is a bug. Did you just play one paid tournament and seriously thought that’s a feature?

‘’What about 100b warrior’’ No clue. Supersquad and the aformentioned Devils inside are the only teams that really use warriors on a high level in my recent experience, they’re extremely easy to shut down. What about them?

‘’you complain about 9 might stacks. Do you guys realize that the shatter damage wont be affect by those might stacks? You get the might stacks after you burst meaning it just gives mesmers like 10% more sustained damage. ’’

In a prolonged fight I usually wind up normally being on ~18 mightstacks. The 10 seconds is easily enough to get a mindwrack off with mightstacks (if you daze or perhaps use cry of frusteration you’ll still get the stacks y,know.
11k mindwracks are fun.

‘’Get off spvp zerg servers and play some paid tournaments……’’

150 QP in USA is something to get high and mighty about?

Trigr.6481:

DiogoSilva.7089:

I believe it’s a bug. A trait that gives 9 stacks of might is ridiculous when compared to everything else. The devs probably only wanted to tive it 3 stacks, as it’s the normal amount to be expect from those kind of traits, but at the moment it gives 3 stacks per illusion.

Putting this thread to rest.

1- You have to spec 25 points into Illusions, this is not all mesmers.
2- IF you are spec’d into it you get a 3 stack of might per illusion you shatter.
3- @Nerva – You should be killing the illusions anyways, not doing so you should expect to die
4- In order to share it with others Mesmers have to use one of their Utility skills for that single purpose.

5- If your going to complain about something, please understand it fully before making a thread. You are giving people false information in which the people who don’t know the correct information feed off it like wildfire and it never ends. This is the way it is.

In high level pvp literally every single mesmer plays shatter. Phantasm is absolutely worthless teamfightwise and Shantasm is just an inferior(albeit easier to play) verison of shatter

the mightstacking thing is likely arenanets idea of compensating the fact that not only will most mesmers start running focus but they also hit several phantasms.

They went overboard though.

In the end, if the masses approve of the change there is nothing we’ll be able to do but to adapt, and we will do just that. We are voicing our opinion because we feel like this is hurting the game, not saying ‘’pro players find the game boring now’’ or ‘’dominant teams will now fall off because we cant swap utilities’’.

The word ’’static’’ has been mentioned many times and I want to stress that this is what we are TRULY trying to complain about, the game becomes far less dynamic because of this change.

As for the whole ‘’you have to make a balanced team composition’‘, 99% of the top teams (aside from the people running double mesmer double ele/ele+nec thief) more or less already are. The changes we’ll have to make to make our builds work are extremely minimal.
Our necro will have to do without swiftness (does not matter since he hardly ever has to roam), aside from that no real change to him.
I’ll have focus and illusion of life 24/7, aside from being locked to an utility I swapped to 9/10 games and getting a worthless phantasm this doesnt change anything
Our guardian will have to do without swiftness(does not matter since he hardly ever has to roam), no build change.
Our ele can’t swap to the rez glyph and try to do a clutch save and cant swap to staff and help me stack lightning field. No build change.

Our thief wont be able to swap refuge to shadowstep/help us stack invis – he’ll just sit on refuge permanently. His build wont be more ’’balanced’’ because of this either.

We are all going to sit on our core utilities and the only one who will really pick a new weapon is me. Does this still look like it’ll make the game deeper? The composition I mentioned above is the standard. Some teams swap one of the classes above for a warrior/extra guard/extra mesmer etc but what I’m trying to show here is that this change did nothing but kill potential plays.

In the end though, if the community(for some absurd reason) likes this it’ll get approved as it is, to the dismay of the people that liked to do cool exciting plays using the open nature of the utility/weapons.

What some people don’t understand is that we don’t complain because we think this will nerf us, it obviously wont. All the dominant teams will remain dominant for the simple reason that they’re playing better. We are complaining because we feel that this reduces the amount of plays you can do in the game. It reduces the complexity. People say ‘’you have to think about your build’’
No, I don’t. I’ll swap the nullfield to illusion of life and I’ll swap my pistol to focus. There is nothing deep about it.

Arenanet, both naito and Leki have made posts atm against this, and now I will. Soon, the rest of my team will and after that the team Onibawan will do it aswell and we’ll make sure more of the same circuit comes in.

Who are these people someone may ask, they’re the top players, all of us.

We are the players that spend 6 hours minimum every day on this so please trust us on this one when we are going to tell you to NOT listen to the casual core and keep this as a part of the game.

It enhances the amount of plays you can do in the game, requires you to be fast and aware and has a fitting punishment if you screw up. All top teams have players with multiple weapons ready, in case they need to change for what’s coming up and also to do many trick plays (swap to torch as a mesmer, do prestige, swap back to pistol and get stealth engage, necro on windows kyhlo? swap to focus and try to pull him down. Someone about to take your point? Quickly swap to greatsword, summon berseker and swap back quickly and you’ll cripple him)

This is a DAMN good thing to have in a game and I cant believe why you could possibly want to dumb your game down any more. This is not something that would hurt you in esports and for the casual players it wont make a damn change since you’re only locking it in tournaments.

PLEASE, reconsider your choice. I don’t want to not be able to stack might/stealth/swiftness anymore which is a good call to prepare a teamfight with only because I’m going to be permanently on the kitten focus in order to have some movement speed. I don’t want guardians to be several times slower because they cant swap to leap finishers, I don’t want all the cool fast paced plays you can do with weapon swapping gone for no other reason that rank 15 players find it bothersome to open their inventory.

Please, arenanet, listen to the pros. Please.

Teldo is just about the only streamer I watch (other than myself!)

Woah.
Honestly, I’ve been one of the players that have said ’’l2p’’ to people whining about stuff that isnt op on a high level, seeing this perspective makes me feel pretty foolish.

I really do think that arenanet did a huge blunder in making the hot join 8v8 instead of 5v5 strictly because casuals that play nothing but 8v8 wont be able to relate at all with 5v5 play.

I mean, casuals in league of legends get to play 5v5, and even if they’re not even rank 30 players they’re able to appreciate the high level play that is being done. Hotjoiners that will watch streams and tournaments of 5v5 wont get that, it’s a completely different game in 8v8, and a far inferior one at that I might add.

I truly hope arenanet removes 8v8/adds 5v5 and promotes it far more in hotjoin than they will with 8v8

Honestly, this is ONE of the many ways you can play your team. It’s sure as hell the easiest imo but that doesnt mean it’s the most effective when both teams play very well.

Syngods for example play 1 pure support guardian, 2 roamers, pointdefendmesmer and necro. And we’ve beaten plenty of bunker teams over and over again (including the best ones)

Granted, I think the meta is quite abit about bunkering and that staff ele+caltrops combo on hedge/mine is horsekitten but that’s only because they’re so easy to play, not because they’re op.

Hell, in USA there are plenty of strong teams that build around having two offensive guardians rather than a mess of bunkers.

Evie.1758:

Eles are among the best classes right now for highlevel tpvp.

Ele played to its max potential will never die in a 1on1 situation. Heck, he wont even die to 3 enemies aslong as he has 1 cooldown left, and will get away easily an shift numbers somewhere else.

Ele has by far the highgest survivability when specced and played right even with a Berserker Amu.

Ele as a roamer can destroy multiple enemies in the blink of a second.

Ele is nearly untouchable (specced right) through conditions and will instagib Caltrops Sins, Nekros and Mesmers (Aoe).

It doesnt matter if Dagger/Dagger Roamer , Scepter/Dagger Roamer /Hybrid , Scepter/Focus (Defender), Staff Hybrid , Staff Bunker , Staff Support.

Ele is 1 of the most viable classes for highlevel tpvp.

If u dont have an ele, you will not be able to play competitive against a team that does !!

We even play from time to time with double damage ELe.

And we have beaten almost every Guild that has a name (scrims)

( Team Paradigm, Supersquad, + the rest in TP’s scrim skype group )

We always have atleast 1 Ele, either support or roamer.

An the toughest fights where against teams that had an Ele.

This guy knows what he is talking about, best ele I’ve ever met.

It was losing to these guys that made us switch our lineup so that we had an ele.

^Exaggerations are a dangerous thing when clever people act cleverly, wp.

Obviously, if you play tournament games you’ll find that you’ll never face 50 pugs in a row c:

If you wanna keep talking about this please do it through private messages, I doubt we are contributing to the thread.

Well, I wouldnt call our team pro just yet but we (Synthetic Gods) have been sponsored and are sure as hell aiming for ’’pro’’

I bought this game for ONE reason and that was to go pro in it. I trusted Arenanets claims that they’ll make this an esport and I still do, I just wish they took a class on how to manage your community rather than constantly teasing us and keeping us in the dark.

I will admit that it’s frusterating to win 50 games in a row vs pubs and only get a decent matchup once in a blue moon where our focus has already deterioated massively because we are used to messing around and still win. This was enough for some of the super competitive people to go for mists of pandaria. One example is the guild Pokemon Warriors who actually did very well for themselves for a while, beating paradigm etc, they’ve all gone back to WoW simply because they want a ranked mode. Another example is Supersquad, while they havent quit for WoW they’re showing considerable inactivity untill a ranked mode pops up.

As for the balance complaints, learn to play, honestly. It’s so painful reading 8vs8 scrubs kitten in every single thread that elementalists, one of the most universally used proffessions in good teams are ’’underpowered’’ because they lose some 1v1 with their horrible build and play and for some reason thinks that is relevant for any esport at all.

This is not to say that the game is perfectly balanced, portal making mesmer the only close defend option, portal treb, staff ele vs treb are all problems but most of the probs are simply battle of khylo and all its pve elements, on the first two maps there is amazing variety in the choices of setups and strats you can run. The game shouldnt be balanced on noobs egos being bruised because they think them losing a 1v1 means that it either means they’re a inferior player or that the enemy class is op. It’s balanced and is supposed to be balanced around 5vs5 tournament play, where thieves that noobs constantly kitten about arent op and where elementalists and necros are amazing picks that most good teams take on (our team included)

Gah, I guess this is pretty rantish. I’ve been browsing through the forums every now and then due to what I suspect are masochistic traits hidden inside of me and felt like I had to vent against the stupidity I’ve read.

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