Guild Wars 2

testpig.5018:

My guild just transferred to Borlis Pass last week, and i can tell you something we noticed about all 3 servers.

You ALL zerg. BP has 4 commander dots, all in the same spot. They claim to not be a zerg, but they are.

GoM is nothing but a zerg.

AR, the few times i have seen them has been yet another zerg.

Where are the small scale guilds? Why does everyone think you need 50 players to take a depo? a tower? a keep?!

You win this objectives with persistence!

Man I do lots of small group stuff with guild members, commander tag off. The people still form up around us. I don’t mind but if we are doing certain things can be annoying.

Kardiamond.6952:

Borliss Pass, GoAT and the other guild that I can’t spell (Just cheked it’s SBZY)
I have a question for you guys :

I have been in BP Borderland all night yesterday, and we were doing some tactical strike around on your map with my entire guild (2 player including myself). We also had the random commander logging in, just to steal every player we had helping us and going Karma train (…).

But that’s not the point. I wanted to ask : The entire night, I played at around 5pm, stopped at 6pm, then got back for 10pm to midnight. The entire evening, you guys had a GOAT/SBZY/random pug of around 30 players, running around in a bunch doing nothing at all except taking back camp and maybe one tower each 1 hour.

I gotta specify, that most of the time, we had like 5-6 AR player, and I didn’t see much GoM all night.

So all I did with my guildy during the night was capping camp, and rushing a random tower from time to time. we also followed your Zerg to kill the slower guys.

So finnaly here is my question : Do you guys really have so many player, that you can waste them in a Zerg vs 4-5 players capping camp? Seriously I gotta show the screen shot, that Zerg was enormous, and were travelling in a bunch. You guys had to run around the map to cover every camp we were taking.

We were hoping your zerg would disperse, so we could get some nice fight. But it wouldn’t. All night, a bioball of player running around.

Didn’t it get boring?

It gets incredibly boring, but we are in it for what we need to do to move the server forward, not our guild. Now, when we camped Briar with Ballistae and Arrow Carts in the lord room for hundreds of lootbags, that was fun. You can cap every camp with your two man groups. We will cap it right back and you will score no points for it. In other words, GTFO our map

We also have a severe case of, OH LOOK! We’re winning, lets go zerg xp!

Talk about being board, NEWL, camping the norther supply camp, killing people that straggle out one at a time. Good stuff.

Lightsbane.9012:

sorry, but i have to ask, did BP get a mass amount of world transfers this week? or is it just weekend madness? it’s just weird that Bp has enough to defend SM AND capture things on other BL’s. maybe i’m too used to GOM being outmanned.

Remember something about last week. Our biggest numbers guild SBZY, took the week off. CORE took the week off. Alot of other guys took breaks, many came back this week refreshed and they are showing it. We have some tireless commanders like myself playing lots of hours.

dirtyklingon.2918:

Plok.6145:

dirtyklingon.2918:

Plok.6145:

dirtyklingon.2918:

Plok.6145:

dirtyklingon.2918:

plok’s daily whine/excuse about double teaming doesn’t reflect the thoughts or feels of most of us.

and uh, that whole playing for 2nd joke got played out about 3 weeks ago bros,it’s been mainly you two AR guys talking about 2nd place since. and yes at your suggestion, last week we did in fact play for 2nd. kinda funny how that worked out eh?

you and kodiak can make a new guild. call it 2nd place 4 lyfe.

Funny I have not said anything in this thread. Post another bad vid man.

Plok.6145:

Great job on the night cap.

this isn’t you?

at least my bad videos aren’t about whining. but if you think my videos are so bad, maybe you can post yours and show us how it’s done?

maybe you can show us how hard done you are by all the double teaming and night capping and zerging?

Where does that say anything about double teaming?

youre right. it was you whining about night capping instead of getting double teamed for a change. gg professor.

What do you do whine about whining? Go do something in WVW worth a dam and get back to me.

redacted. let’s just say it’s time like these i wish i could pk people on my own server/faction in these games.

Same here.

Lightsbane.9012:

Godfather.8217:

Arcxander.9836:

Successfully conquered Eternal Battlegrounds. Wiped out AR zerg and finally taking down the last fort (the fully fortified & supplied) Red Keep.

Good game ARs!

lol this is funny,

trying to brag because GOM = zerg fest army, while the other two can’t fit more than 20 players on a map.

This whole week has been dull and boring, I’ve stayed up late at nights to only witness just how each server seems to “conquer”

I’ll start with mine, so it doesn’t seem like i’m favoring one group.

Anvil Rock has about a 20 – 30 size force that hits BP borderlands when they have nobody defending, and we even have a smaller one sometimes hitting and “conquering” eb, while borth servers seem to be away.

GoM – You guys seem to be able to fill two maps with tons of players when you finally wake up from your slumber, the times i’ve witness your PvD playstyle in ARB, is when your going after all our towers and keeps, smashing your entire force into the gates, and honestly you don’t even need siege gear because you have so many players hitting the gates. Wait let’s throw a golem or two so you guys can claim “strategy” and “tactics” was used.

Borlis – Same thing with you guys, you guys run through with large numbers smashing into our gates with similar “conquer” mentality, when honestly it’s just a zerg.

What ever happened to playing against players fella’s, we had so much fun fighting the last two weeks against each other, when did we finally get to the point of figuering out each of our sleeping habits to fight gates instead of players.

My guild held Redlake tower in Gom the other day for 5 hours. After we spent Majority of the day wiping Gom forces chasing our camp raiding party, I had alts of 10 – 15 members from my guild. We defended redlake from GoM and borlis in GoM borderlands from multiple waves/attempts. Eventually GoM must have called in for reinforcements, because we finally lost to double, almost tripple our numbers. We just saw a sea of red. In the end this same force started spawn camping, which at this time we moved on to a different map.

My guild will continue to hit both sides, infact which ever borderland gives us the out manned buff, the better. we will be there to stirr the pot, and hopefully you guys will come out and play and attempt to interfer with our camp raids.

Good luck to all, and let’s continue to have a decent match.

that’s certainly the first time GoM has been accused of ‘zerg festing’
that by the way is a fact. very first time. we’ve been outnumbered at LEAST 3:1 since week 1 so you can shove it.

Really? Cause the other day it was a good 80+ of you that ran over the 10 people I had at hills. Not sure where the 3:1 number is coming from, no way that is accurate.

Dovgan.8605:

@Lightsbane Isn’t that kind of an open ended insult to Borlis, saying the reason AR is in 3rd is solely because of GoM? Although, if you don’t think AR has lost several guild since release, you’d be wrong, and over all we wished them the best in their new servers(upper tier servers as well). You must really be missing the guild you posted about here.

Well seeing as how several of BP Commanders and our largest guild decided this would be a good week to take off, the fact we are even still in it is a miracle in itself.

dirtyklingon.2918:

Plok.6145:

dirtyklingon.2918:

plok’s daily whine/excuse about double teaming doesn’t reflect the thoughts or feels of most of us.

and uh, that whole playing for 2nd joke got played out about 3 weeks ago bros,it’s been mainly you two AR guys talking about 2nd place since. and yes at your suggestion, last week we did in fact play for 2nd. kinda funny how that worked out eh?

you and kodiak can make a new guild. call it 2nd place 4 lyfe.

Funny I have not said anything in this thread. Post another bad vid man.

Plok.6145:

Great job on the night cap.

this isn’t you?

at least my bad videos aren’t about whining. but if you think my videos are so bad, maybe you can post yours and show us how it’s done?

maybe you can show us how hard done you are by all the double teaming and night capping and zerging?

Where does that say anything about double teaming?

styx.7294:

Dear Axelrod,

You’re welcome. I was at that fight (and others.. that weren’t as much beating our head against ballistas thankfully) and sometimes Goat seems like a guild that has a billion players.

Most we had on today ant any one point was 20. We are just very mobile.

dirtyklingon.2918:

plok’s daily whine/excuse about double teaming doesn’t reflect the thoughts or feels of most of us.

and uh, that whole playing for 2nd joke got played out about 3 weeks ago bros,it’s been mainly you two AR guys talking about 2nd place since. and yes at your suggestion, last week we did in fact play for 2nd. kinda funny how that worked out eh?

you and kodiak can make a new guild. call it 2nd place 4 lyfe.

Funny I have not said anything in this thread. Post another bad vid man.

Great job on the night cap.

aramina.2591:

After defending Stonemist for like 3-4 hours today, I can safely say that this matchup has been awesome and amazing. This has just been so much fun

Has been a fabulous match up. Although they double team us every chance they get. <hands you popcorn> Watch them freak out

Rashagal.5867:

Plok.6145:

Seems the AR PvDoor squad is out for some nightcapping.

This guy. Lol. Why are you always so paranoid, Plok? We took SM from GOM, then herded the GOATs from our borderlands until most of you went back to EB. Is AR really to blame for wanting to fight still after the epic battles we had all day? You guys got tired. Not our fault. Nice job on taking SM by the time we got back from sweeping y’all out of AR Borderlands by the way, that was some good coordination. No, I’m not being sarcastic. That was a good move. I just hope that we keep the little numbers boost Mad King going away gave us. Its the first time I’ve had to queue for EB in a long time.

Great battles all around, GOM and BP. I really hope both of you guys stay for the next matchup, this one has been the closest and most fun I’ve seen since release, the Pact camping shenanigans aside.

Only had like nine of us. Was just glad it was enough to cause the disruption we did.

Paranoid? Me? Nah, I’m from NY, I give people a hard time, they just don’t get that it’s trolling most of the time.

Riaky.8965:

WvW needs more and better rewards, right now it’s just a gold drain. I’ve rarely get a rare lv 80 drop from wvw not to mention an exotic for a week of WvW. While I farmed cursed shore for 30 mins I get 6 rares.

With the current scores, the match up next week is likely to be the same unless one of the lower tier scores a crap load of points or one of the higher tier drop the ball really bad.

If you are there for money, you are not a pvper.

I played 9 hours on Tuesday started at like 12g, bought 1g of emergency siege( I generally carry 50 pieces of superior) maybe 70s on repairs and left with about 17g after selling. So clearly you are doing something wrong.

Seems the AR PvDoor squad is out for some nightcapping.

Kardiamond.6952:

Wow Come on Goat and others?

What kind fo flaming is that?

Osskil did nothing wrong in that thread, and didn’t even talk about a BP player before one of you flamed him.

Stay Classy, Goat and others. (See I didn’t say BP)

There go those AR guys again, riding coat tails And hes not even on GoM anymore

At what point did I flex and say rawerrrr we are dominating you? Please go troll your own server board. Kitten

Kardiamond.6952:

dirtyklingon.2918:

i speak for my guild when i say we like being outnumbered.

I doubt BP is overnumbered anymore.

Yesterday, during primetime, the numbers looked really even between our 3 server. Well at least in EB. We had outmanned buff for a bit, then BP got it for like 5-10 min too, so it was all fair.

And don’t worry, I won’t judge BP over Dirtyklingon, Plok or Hakato. They have been posting thing like that since launch, in every match up. I know the rest of PB is really great, and have really good player.

I do like getting under peoples skin when it comes to this stuff. And clearly I have found the subject to do it to you.

Godfather.8217:

@plok

I don’t understand where this comment of yours or perception is coming from. Let me tell you what SoS did yesterday.

First we pushed GOM out of anvil rock borderlands, since they owned the bottom half of our map.

We then transferred to EB, where they owned everything of Anvil Rock, we lead a force not only to retake everything we own, but then pushed them back to their own spot, which we took two of their towers. I then noticed you guys doing the same thing to a tower up north against them, so I decided to lead them straight into your zerg. we lost in that batte, you just had more than us. Afterwards we waypointed back to Anvil Rock borderlands where we had to push Borlis out of the map, because now you guys owned the bottom half. We then went to GOM and took our spots in their map, and DB. Then some how, even on our alts lol we took the orb from them after reset, ninja’d it with a small force, and lost it again after they broke into DB.

So all in all, it was a great day for the guild, and we had alot of fun, we had no intentions of anything for both sides, no hate here, just looking for any oppurtunities and we took it.

Darksavage,
SoS, Syndicate General

Every instance of AR helping out GoM must be pure coincidence.

We had a great day yesterday too. Your day must have gone south at champion spider :P

Not taking anything away, this is the most fun we have had in any of the past weeks. the servers are easily the closest match population wise of any match in recent weeks. Ebay and NSP jsut have so many kitten people.

I find it HILARIOUS, that you guys have to team up against the red server. We have not added any numbers at all. This pipe dream you have that all of a sudden we have had an influx of people is plain wrong. Same people doing the same thing except now, AR doing its normal play for second not attacking green and green trying to get back to first not attacking blue. So Sad, every week the same thing with you guys.

Plutonium.1308:

I love all the half-veiled insults you guys like to toss at anyone and everyone from ehmry bay. We have more than you guys, but this is far from a mindless zerg of solos. We have good coordination among 6-8 medium to large guilds. We almost never have a que on any map, so lay off the shoveling poo to cover for a lack of coordination on your parts.

We’ve played great matches against servers with hours long ques on all maps and kicked their teeth in during prime times, only to lose the entire map overnight and do it again every day for a week, because we love to pvp. This server is no mindless zergball bouncing around the maps. We have pride in what we do and we do it well. Stop with the hostility and enjoy the fights because next matchup you’ll get a less prepared server.

Grats then you have 3 more full ques than BP does. Very few guild groups have we seen.

Supersun.4603:

Kardiamond.6952:

We got them, but that’s when we saw that horrible E-Bay zerg.They were twice as many as use, and we had a lot of pre-80 char.

We got stomped so hard. I logged off around midnight in our camp being spawn camped.

Actually, you guys outnumbered us by a decent margin until half of you guys logged off after we wiped your zerg.

Also, Borlis Pass would probably be in a much better position points wise if they would just stop poking the bear.

Just because you can treb the Bay Keep from your Garrison doesn’t mean that you should since by doing so you are forcing both of us into a major battle between Garrison and the Bay that isn’t going to end any time soon.

There are much softer targets that wouldn’t be like throwing rocks at a beehive.

In other words, stop attacking us so we can finish off taking the entire map with our hundred man ball of love.

At the start of each of the past two weeks, BP has taken a lead at the start of both matches. Our strat were solid. If only we had the numbers you do, we would not be in this bracket. But I like it, it makes us better at learning, playing and mastering how we can play as a team.

Humpink.2306:

Anvil Rock & Borils Pass guys; if your guild is not particularly attached to your server, then please consider to permanently relocate to Ehmry Bay.

The servers were stood up to support a high concurrent player count based on projected sales. The sales happened, but the high concurrent player count leveled out. Current low population servers are unlikely to pick up significant player numbers going forward.

Ehmry Bay is a pretty mellow server, we do have an excellent out of game community, and we would certainly welcome additional players, WvW or otherwise.

Why on earth would any good organized guild move to zergland? Your numbers? It’s all the server has. I have seen ZERO, in the way of tactics. You are pros at night capping unguarded keeps or outnumbering people 3 and 4 to 1. Any class acts guild or players would make a terrible mistake moving into that kind of environment.

What did today look like? ZERGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG and then ZERGGGGGGGGGGGG then some more ZERGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG, and then when we are able to take something using smarts, ZERGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. My kingdom for some population.

Great job on SF zerg on one side of our map and AR on the other and then take our Orb, did you plan that? Tomorrow, my guild will hit anything and everything that is blue on any map.

its all about the orbs

Sorry all of you screaming its not OP, very wrong. It’s the end all be all of game changers. You play a mesmer so you like the idea of having a skill that outweighs any other skill ten fold. It needs to go away or have limits applied.

Sundial.9015:

My guild actively avoided pushing on important Anvil Rock supply camps and objectives and for the most part we didn’t see Anvil interfering with us either.

Though we did gank a few groups and get ganked a couple times ourselves

Even though there is no formal pact I feel like this is the best option for our two servers to at least make an effort to avoid taking eachothers important objectives or making a sandwhich out of anyone who is not SF (and we made a kitten fine SF sandwhich earlier when they were assaulting your tower)

Lots of good fights were had tonight @ SF borderlands.

AR attacked positions on us all day long.

For the record, there was no truce I knew about. Almost everything I attacked today was a green item and that was my plan. may want to discuss things with some of those Anvil guilds should you actually be serious about such a thing. Like maybe [BG], man those guys sure know how to run away.

I want to thank my GOAT’s, SOUL, KREW & SBZY and all the others for helping do all we were able to do today. If you are tired of seeing my giant norn smash into you, come back tomorrow and ill do it again. I’m sure everything I led and we busted our azzes for today will be night capped, oh well nice fights today.

aKIRA.7123:

Sundial.9015:

it is pretty clear SF has a strong population around the clock that will be tough to match

i wish we had such a strong population round the clock when we lost to darkhaven..or gate of madness..or henge of denravi (tho tbh that was never going to end well lol)

i notice we only have people on when were winning. our ‘massive’ pop doesnt do much against a well organized server (or one with any level of night presence that outmatches ours)

as someone else said earlier, theres a reason why we’ve been bumped down to this tier

I think a lot of servers suffer from the same fair weather wvw players.

Apocalypse.5239:

Vistal.2906:

And Sorrow just Exploited or hacked garrison and now runing around and somehow porting Golems. How the kitten can you port a Siege equipment item like this? that just leads to porting them inside keeps and insta taking them. I was in agrrison buying and selling and all of a sudden it pops green and i insta die to guards, But Yet we still have the orb. HMMMMMMMM

need to get a Screen Shot next time. and this is why i will never go too Sorrow sever Exploited = bad for all the sever.

Actually it was 7 trebs, 1 omega golem, 1 alpha golem and about a hundred guys against the low pop guys who kept them out of it. But they dont zerg.

dirtyklingon.2918:

ofc not plok, i don’t have a commander tag so me and my guild are beneath you.

your guild comes by it’s rep righteously. this thread confirms it. you and yours will be whining about orbs too as soon as furnace owns all 3. same old same old on borlis pass.

at least there’s still people trying to make meaningful efforts here, but whiners like you who throw people’s repair bills at heavily defended keeps with grade school zerg tactics don’t really help things much.

orbs and numbers don’t mean as much as you seem to think they do. but i guess when your tactics book consists entirely of outnumbering people i can understand why being outnumbered would be an issue for you.

Zerg tactics, CLEARLY, you know nothing about me or my guild so please kitten

Dirtyklingone who does not know me or my guild is a fabulous forum pvper but alas ive never seen you.

We defended our borderlands all day yesterday. Only leaving after being pushed out by a Green and Blue zerg. Had to go somewhere and try something.

Darxio.5672:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Did-you-just-hacked-on-the-weakest-server-Kaineng/first#post372620

Considering it was our guild’s keep(and MY money invested in it), I don’t forget things easily. Others I cannot post due to showing account names(And that wouldn’t be right), but I can show more if needed.

The worst offense was when Borlis Pass conquered our entire Borderlands in 5 minutes flat once. No kidding. Someone found a way to take over points instantly. Guildie was upgrading Dreaming Bay when all of a sudden the lord decided to kill him.

More has happened, believe me. Instead of crumbling, we only grew stronger. Kaineng will prevail.

All that pic shows is someone with an orb, THAT’S IT!

Kodiack.2783:

We just play hard, 2nd place lands on us..

-K

No, when SF has its entire border green and AR has its border turning green, yet, they continue to attack red, including sandwiching us between two zergs one of each color, that is not playing to win, that’s playing for second place.

dirtyklingon.2918:

Plok doesn’t speak for all of us.

while it is amusing that AR is doing it’s typical play hard for 2nd place thing, most of the regular wvwers on borlis enjoy fighting out manned and out gunned.

had a blast last night fighting on two fronts all evening. looking forward to this week’s match.

we did have a queue on anvil’s map last night somehow, even though there was less than 50 of us in the small corner of the map AR and SF had pushed us into. rendering issues aside it was a lot of fun though.

You know what, I was on for 10 hours fighting 2 to 1 odds against both SF and AR, maybe if I did speak for all of us we could get something done.

Darxio.5672:

Considering that Borlis Pass has hacked against Kaineng and Devona’s Rest last week multiple times in multiple ways, I am not surprised.

Crush Borlis Pass into the dirt, we look forward to facing them next week.

Darxio of [KAIN]

Have evidence of any of this? Such a profound statement you must have photos or film even.

Vadon.1496:

Make the maximum players for a server playing on a wvw map ~140% of the server with the least amount of players currently playing wvw. This should fix the rediculous problem of having smaller servers being outnumbered 5 to 1. (no kicking players)

This would indeed lead to even bigger queue’s in some servers, but this would make a server transfer to a lower population server even more attractive. Now everyone just transfers to a winning server making wvw even more unbalanced. Nothing will change if nothing is going to be done about this problem. (stop being naïve and think that everything fixes itself over time.)
Hell this might even stop European guilds playing in American servers just to nightcap and Canadians/Americans nightcapping in European servers.

Would also limit the night capping if everyone has the same population on a given map. And kitten get rid of the bots already!

MrPicklez.6473:

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Perhaps the downed state is here to stay in PvP, but it’s an awful mechanic that promotes zerging in WvW and makes fighting outnumbered (even 2v1 in sPvP) much more difficult than it inherently would be. Honestly, I really don’t get enjoyment out of flinging poo at people once I’m downed, nor do I get enjoyment out of being a pain and using my skills to prevent stomps. Sure, it can send me into a fit of laughter when a daggerstorming thief kills a doe and rallies me mid fight, but in all honesty it’s just very gimmicky. The amount of annoyance of having enemies rally when you’re already outnumbered far outweighs the enjoyment you get from rallying off of a vet guard or an ally stomp.

Basically what I’m trying to say is that the downed state doesn’t really add anything “fun” to PvP, besides tipping the odds in favor of numbers and gimmicks (cough vet guard rallies). I can see why this would be an interesting mechanic in PvE, but it’s really just damaging PvP. I’m not sure how a mechanic like this could ever be associated with “competitive” PvP. It’s certainly not that I can’t learn to live with it, I can; however, that doesn’t change the fact that overall it’s detrimental to the PvP scene, in particular WvW more than sPvP.

Downed state adds a whole new dimension to fighting. Not sure where you are coming from but it’s wrong.

All that has happened so far so both blue and green have zerged over red with numbers, That’s it. No strat outplays 3x your numbers.

Manoa.5897:

Meh, I’m not terribly concerned about the Borlis Pass spies… :p

Also, this kind of stuff will become less common once free server transfers go away.

You mean how like you can only get something done with pure numbers? You mean that pro night capping against an under populated and PVE server? You mean like how green and blue are barely attacking each other and push red with zergs from both sides? Is that what you are referring to? Yea, you’re pro.

Sincerely,

Commander Plok the Original Leader of Shadow of Agony [GOAT]

Just remember you can talk to anyone in the game. Cross server contact is going to happen.

Oh yea, nice job on the double team of red by the way. Mad skills.