Guild Wars 2

Greiger has a point here.Do not mix GMs with DEVs

If the culling gets fixed and glass cannon/backstab build gets nerfed a bit there won’t be any problem with Thives.

I’m a Thief typing this.Yes.True story.

Jomg.9061:

Well, desolation got insane number once again, gj recruiting kaz.

Cheers! \o/

Ahaha Dolly is on fire! Run Dolly Run! Nice one Centrix <3

Good lucks to all three server on new year week.I hope there won’t be any flaming.Keep it clear guys!Lets have some fun instead of anger!

Mystery.7392:

Your server is the only one who’s whining, so stop this useless posts.

Pardon me?Hahaha , are we the only one whining?I recommend you to read every single post that you guys whined about Deso and Deso’s recruits.Just read every single post under this topic and you will see who is the whiner and flamer.

@ Icy ; thank you for showing your true personality.

Dhampyr.2104:

Huh, not sure what you mean by “go down that hard”. AFAIK Kaineng has always been underpopulated and at/near the bottom. We’re on our way up though!

My fault sorry :P I got the story from a wrong way!

Dayra.7405:

Reads like you did not got the point in German, French and Spanish Servers!
People choose them because of the language spoken in TS and written in chat.
They want to use their own language and not English.

Concerning ANet as far as i know their plan was to charge diamonds for server transfers.
A failure is that this isn’t in place so far, as all these transfers do mostly two things they destabilize single servers as well as the WvW-ranking. Which wasn’t build to determine the top-server, but to setup balanced matches.

Actually by telling this which is you have a server that you can use only your own language while we have 40+ plus nation which are have to use English even it is not their own language , you are showing us that you are in a better position than us.

Sorry but it’s your own fault if you can manage to be in a conflict with your own nation’s players from any other your nation’s server.

Nobody forces you to play in your nation’s server either.Get yourself together and transfer to an EU server.Use English like every other “not English speaking nation” if you don’t wanna be bothered with the problems you are mentioning coz of playing in a DE/FR server.

I think he was asking how things turned out that way.How did Kaineng go down that hard while they were able to have +550 before.

I understand what you mean Syrae.

But you still have an option to transfer for an EU server if DE servers are not able to power up for 24 hours schedules and that’s causing you some problems.

I think yesterday i told that but i will go for it again.It was Anet’s little mistake to split up servers with country tags on them on EU bracket.They didn’t split them on NA bracket like Canada – NA West – NA East and such so they shouldn’t have done it on EU too…

We are not doing anything wrong here.It’s the people’s mind that is harsh.We are playing with the rules given by ArenaNET.

We are a T2-T3 server right now but why would we accept that as “enough”?We want to be better.We want to see our server in a better position.

We have our rights to recruit as every other server.Don’t start with FR DE servers can’t recruti stuff pls.They both have 6-7 of their own servers.They can just unite them under 2-3 servers and be on a better place.

We didn’t recruit RUIN you got a wrong idea here.RUIN hopped Deso pushed it to a tier it wasn’t ready for then left by stealing half of our WvW players.Do you think we are happy what RUIN did to us?They put us in to a worse momentum than we had before.

Now we are trying to recover from RUINwounds and recruit some decent not winhopper but WvW lover guilds to achiev that.

Desolation’s core guilds never left.Even if it were in it’s the worst moment.They were here from start.

This is a war between servers as Anet mentioned.Making allies , recruiting forces , trying to be better..Those things are part of it.

We are not the ones who needs to get over with this things.

IKaikiasI.1932:

I know it, it’s not the first time we play against each other Your timing is just very bad. Recruit when the week is over or while you are winning a game otherwise it seems like a defiant, childish reaction for people.

Edit:
It was just a serious hint for you guys. Actually I like to play against you (no matter if it’s holiday or not). But unfortunatelly your reputation is still getting worse and it’s sad to see it.

We are recruiting coz we are losing.Why would i bother recruit when i’m winning?I need to recruit so that i won’t keep losing right?Our timing is perfect since we are losing and we need more guilds to win.

As your logic , if a server is losing they shouldn’t recruit.So if that server is on a losing streak and they are going down tier to tier , they should wait to drop down to tier9 and if they can manage to win here , they can finally recruit.

How does it sound when i tell it that way?Wrong right?It is your logic’s definition.

Your logic is simply wrong.Only “childish” reaction here is yours with your wrong logic.

IKaikiasI.1932:

First reaction when you noticed that you can’t handle us this week: recruiting big guilds! No wonder why people feel provocated and angry of Desolation. If you had it done after this match, noone would have said a single word.

We are trying to recruit for weeks already mate.We didn’t start to do it this week.KAZ happened to join us this week.It was their call not ours.I already told that.We didn’t call them , they asked us if we would welcome them here on Deso.We just gave them our welcomes.

You shouldn’t talk your words before knowing something for sure.

Icy.8041:

It’s more like because you’re begging other guild to join your server.

even tho I’m from Arbor.

There is a big difference between begging and recruiting my friend.Yes we are recruiting and we don’t deny that.We are not begging guilds to join us we never did.We are just recruiting as it is our right to do and every other servers right too!

Also KAZ asked to us if they can be welcomed in Deso , we didn’t ask them to come.We just happily give them our welcomes and thanks for recognizing us as a good server and a new home for them.

It is not a restriction for French or German people to stuck on FR/DE servers.We all know a bit good a bit bad english to communicate with each other.If you don’t like the things turning out in your server , you are more than welcome to join any EU server.

In my opinion it was Anet’s little mistake to split servers with country tags from start.

One day people will understand WvW and tPvP are team games and then will see how useless a backstab Thief in a crowd fight and how he dies to 2-3 ticks of aoe damage.

People may have problems with IRON or the way IRON does things in WvW.You have your own rights to talk your mind.I’m not going to tell you something like “you can’t oppose IRON”.

Only thing i will say here , if you wanna flame/critic about IRON please do it on a proper section/topic on the forum.

This is a topic for Desolation’s recruiting guilds or players from other servers.Please keep it that way.We still need them to join us and this kind of argument won’t do any help to Desolation.

Thank you for your understanding.

Truebanana.5936:

Trying to fight you with our group separatly with around 25 players against your 40-50+ single zerg on your side was not a good idea.
We are still not using a single zerg of most people of the whole map to play. Our raid leaders lead their own guilds. + the pugs that want to follow them.

If we have to play like you to be able to do something , i prefere to play at an other game while acting like i’m afk.

And please let me remind , if we had 40-50 man in this camp yesterday , only 10 of them was pugs/allys while all others are IRON.So it was not a united single zerg , or united different commanders.It was 1 commander 1 guild who were waiting for you there.

Also the 2nd stuff , you guys generally have more soldier than us when we fight head to head.Our normal crowd is 30 man.So that means you get 40+ man as Arbor when you get our keeps down.That means you use our tactic too.And as i said if you are dealing with IRON , it’s not a united group , it’s always just IRON and pugs.

I’m not telling this as an offensive matter.I envy you guy’s numbers as a server.I always wish that Deso had that much love for WvW.

Before i was in IRON , i was like server and guild hoppin , trying to find somewhere i can call “home” in this game.

Desolation and IRON gave me this.Even if we are outmanned in general , we are working so hard not only as a guild but as a server to manage something positive.

We have so many tacticfull mind guilds and self skilled players.As you can understand from that , Desolation is not making mindless zergs but working over some tactics.

If you wanna have some decent WvW play with great community , if you need somewhere you can call “home” in this game with perfect people and most important if you don’t wanna have long queues while having those , Desolation is a great place for you!

Why people have to be sort of closeminded and why they never try to see things with some realistic thoughts?

Lets get every siege away frm the game , no walls , no gates , only a lord in middle of nothing and 50 defenders circling him like potatoes on a field.

If you can’t even deal with an arrow cart , this game is not for you my friend.Why don’t you play new Mario game or even a new tetris game?They might be more suitable for you.

Arrow cart is a poor siege that can hit well geared man only 300-400 damage with every tick and 1500-2000 total damage.If you are a glass cannon stay out of the range…

SAC.7862:

Seriously when will people get that our culture is different than most euros when we talk about schedules.

What?!? Are you VAMPIRES?!? :P This way or another you guys have a nice night time(gmt) presence and doing a good job when you are there.

PvE Commander actually shows me that how WvW community does not count for anything.

We always wanted to have less PvE , always suggested that , always whined about that , cried even.

But now we have more PvE in our PvP zone.

Most of dedicated WvW players don’t play anything other than WvW in this game.I’m one of that kind.I work in day light , come home at evening , after a bit of chill i get myself in to WvW directly.Only place i see other than WvW zones is Lion’s Arch and The Orr for friday eve guild farm.

Please be more cautious about us and please hear our voice for once.

And where is the vs???

Today we defeated more than 20 Break Outs with a 25-30man behind it.It still doesn’t matter if it’s with a NPC Commander or not.If you are good/crowded enough to cap all over the map , you can easily defence the wave of this event.

I just looted 108 badges in 8-10 hours after this weeks reset.

MartyPartys.9187:

Quentin Fields.1295:

Sick of getting night capped?Wait for the new update.

The new update won’t be doing anything about night capping. The devs said themself they find every player’s time as valuable as another.

Breakout events will be a lil fix for that i hope.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Coming-Soon-To-WvW/page/3#post969780

Check this.

I’m still waiting the for the day that people will understand the biggest culling issue isn’t Thieves/Stealth but Mesmer’s Portal Bombs.

Archonis.7249:

Thieves are open to discussion, but not when someone like XII is trying to run a crusade to nerf the thief simply because he won’t L2P Warrior.

On my Warrior I have ZERO issues with killing thieves. I see a DD thief stealth. I move away. I see a PD thief stealth, I get my CC ready to burst him. I see a SP thief. I pop my stability and quickness and WTFPWN him before he even gets his PW off.

All these bad Warriors and Ele’s QQ because they have ZERO situational awareness and even less knowledge about their profession. Instead of learning how to deal with certain builds, they instead come to their forums and cry for nerfs.

I think PvP is great. There really isn’t a whole lot wrong with it, except for people that can’t take losing on and off.

Because a team has a thief, doesn’t mean that they auto-win.

^ I can /sign on this.

S/D nerfed hard so that they can’t constant daze anymore whilst they can’t actually hit hard like old days neither.Sorry you won’t be seeing much of em , atleast not good ones mate.

I was actually playing S/D in sPvP/tPvP but not anymore.

Anymore tricks in your pocket to beat me?

dreztina.4820:

You keep saying D/D eles counter thieves as if that’s some indisputable fact. There are more builds than glass cannon thief, and the more utility and heal focused thieves are just insane. They heal themselves even faster than ele’s can, and more often since all they have to do is stealth to heal, and properly built thieves can stealth any time they want to. They don’t have the huge burst dps, but they can certainly either wear the ele down over time (a long time), or stalemate the fight with both sides healing too much to die.

The only fact is that a thief will NEVER die unless they let themselves. Maybe some bad d/d thief who is just spamming heartseeker will, sure, but any decent thief is 100% unkillable. They won’t win every fight, but just about, and even if they lose, they still won’t die unless they decide to be nice and give away the kill.

I’m asuming that you don’t play a Thief from your words.

The builds you are talking about are Condi Thief builds.Which are depending on their condi damages and mild heals.

You can’t wear down a D/D Ele as you say coz they have a nice condi removal setup on their traits.And no my friend a Thief can’t overheal a well built D/D Ele since they can heal themself to full hp within seconds by changing to water attunement and using couple skills there with the right build.Also “IF” Ele isn’t a bad player , Thief can’t run away.Ele can chase you and catch you or can CC you and won’t even let you run away.Your only actual option is shadow refuge but with a lil timing luck if Eles knockback from lightning 5 is not on cd , Ele won’t let you stay on shadow refuge so you won’t be stealthed anymore.

Please atleast don’t flame my words if you don’t actually know about the build you are talking about which is i use %90 of the time.

Sick of getting night capped?Wait for the new update.

I didn’t say that D/D Eles are counter for HS my friend.

D/D Elementalists are the total counter of Thieves atm.That’s a known thing.

And most of the Thieves actually , when they see a D/D Ele passing by they try to avoid a fight.

Because with well placed AoEs , some bunch of CCs , in combat mobility and big survival from all protection buffs/heals/regens/condi removals. , D/D Eles are the biggest nightmare for Thieves.

Also since D/D Eles can keep constantly damaging air , even if a Thief is under stealth they get lots of damage and because of the D/D Eles mobility it’s getting so hard to position youself and deal your backstab and stuff for a Thief.

Braxxus.2904:

Quentin Fields.1295:

Braxxus , i don’t think he is a Guardian…Since he just told that he has 25k hp :P

My bunker guard has 24k and some change. Usually I’ll round up, I figure he might do the same. I don’t say my thief has 19, 554 hp, I just call it 20k.

Hmm…I didn’t know that guards can have that much hp O_O ok than :P

Braxxus , i don’t think he is a Guardian…Since he just told that he has 25k hp :P

Enemies can’t see your /s in WvW.Sorry that won’t work.Actually it will push your enemy’s deepdown feelings out and when they see you naked and lyind down they’ll want to rapekill you so hard!

That’s why i actually called it out as “some parts of WvW map”.Even if you close off your auto targeting and a combat UI mod , there are some points that you can’t use HS as escape/mobility power.

Likewise wurm field below Dawns/Cliffside/Cragtop.

Also you can’t use HS as an escape ability while you are stuck in a zerg vs zerg combat.

Edit:

And as an extra for all Thief haters , Anet declared that they gonna buff some aspects of Thieves most likely pistol builds on 12/14 update.

So be ready to put on your condi removals more than ever and be ready to get bursted by Unload ( P/P Dual-wield skill a.k.a. button 3)

HS is a risky skill for constant using that we can’t actual rely on it in every situation.It has a risk that hitting a mob and stopping us in some parts of the WvW map.Also you can’t freely move yourself with hs left and right while you can do it with blink.

And using steal for blink plus vigor/speed buff is also not reliable since you can’t always find a target on your escaping way to use it.And without targeting , steal is only a speed buff of 10secs , no vigor no blink.

Tulisin.6945:

Quentin Fields.1295:

And if a Thief is specced for mobility that means having almost nothing else while D/D Eles have survival plus damage plus mobility.

Not relevant to who has the most mobility. That said, even taking mobility-emphasized utilities/heal and traiting Acrobatics/Trickery, the thief can bring a lot to a fight with a mobility spec, just not as a glass-cannon assassin.

I still not agree that even a Thief mobility specced. 2 rolls 1 blink with nicely cooldowns and 3 SB blink with a limit of initiation and lil speed buff from dodges.

D/D Eles have almost constant speed buff with attunement swap + auras + extra buff from heal , blink , lightning 4 with a huge range and speed , lighting 5 as a roll with speed buff , fire 3 for sliding forward.And their cycle is much more faster than Thieves.Cooldown need is shorter.

After using your cooldowned skills you only can SB blink when you got enough ini points.While Eles keep swapping between auras for speed buff and lightning 4 + fire 3 with not long cds.

Tulisin.6945:

D/D elementalist has more mobility than an average thief (1 utility + shortbow swap for mobility), but a thief specced for mobility is unmatched.

Warrior being highest DPS is debatable by timeframe, Hundred Blades, for instance, is pretty bad DPS, even if it is great damage-per-button.

GS is not the only way Warriors making DPS.

And if a Thief is specced for mobility that means having almost nothing else while D/D Eles have survival plus damage plus mobility.

And buddy that’s why we always defend the idea of “Atleast for couple of matches in sPvP play with a Thief and try to learn the mechanics so that you can learn how to counter them and their weak spots”

Even i myself played more than 10 matches in sPvP with D/D Ele , so that i can learn how counter my counter class as a Thief.

When i play my glass cannon build , if i hit my head to a skillfully D/D Ele , i can’t even have time to stealth myself before he CC me couple times and down me…

I never denied culling is an issue.It’s the biggest issue in this game.And pulling flames on to Thief.Together with culling even when we fight Thief vs Thief it’s an annoying situation.

But flaming on to HS spamming?That already been nerfed and which is called “newbie move” even by us Thieves…It’s so easy to counter with a CC skill…

You can just immobilize a HS spammer and make him waste every single piece of initiation.

Also as i said , the OP is playing the biggest counter for Thieves.He has billions of cc , mobility/escape skills , condi removals like hell.But here he/she is crying on to HS…

That’s just sad.

The funny part of this thread is actually the OP.

Who is a D/D Elementalist.Which is the best anti-Thief(any kind of build)

Why are you even get yourself to open a topic when you play the same uber kind or atleast second uber build of the game?

If you are dying to a HS spammer(which is called newbie player between us Thieves) as D/D Elementalist , sorry but either you are using a fail build or you are actually a bad player.

Warlord.9074:

This is thiefs don’t know that we can’t see them do to rendering and culling. I think thiefs think people are just derping or something when they come out of hide and no one notice. So there response is always LTP, kitten how can we learn to play when we cant see you when we should be able to. 99% of the time When I lose to thiefs its simply because for those few seconds they are out of hide they are still completely invisible to me.

Do you actually think we don’t fight with enemy Thieves?Yes my friend we know how culling bug works

Columba.9730:

Highest dps, best mobility, stealth. All in one class. Broken.

Learn the game before flaming.There are some acceptable some unacceptable flames but this is the only fail and knowledgeless one.

Highest dps = Glass cannon Warrior
Best mobility : D/D Elementalists (do not mix escape mechanics with mobility)
Stealth : Yes Thieves have repeatable stealths but they are not the only one with stealth ability.

Braxxus.2904:

Um… This is basically the complete opposite of how to succeed in a free market capitalist system. The manners part is fairly true, but the other two only hold you back from achieving your full potential in the financial world. One of the biggest disservice to our youth is that people still fill their head at a young age with the nonsense you’re spouting instead of preparing them from the onset to the reality of the world.

Financial World =/= Competitive Life

Sportmanship – Fair Play – Manners.

That three has to be on every aspect that has a competitive content.Not only in video games but in every part of the life.You can’t deny that fact or get bored of it.That kind of stuff differs us from animals.

Accept it or not.

^^^ Agreed.We will get lots of flaming for this but that’s a fact.

It’s not the class which is op.It’s the player can’t handle fightning it.Sorry but if you don’t have either a defensive utility to evade burst damage or a CC utility/skill to catch a running Thief , it’s your fault.

Rage quit is a different logic than this.Rage quit happens after you die.Not in middle or at the end of your fight before you die.

Still it’s a fact that if you do that either call it rage quit or alt+f4 exploit , it makes you a bad player regardless of the game you are playing.

Sorry but i won’t call this like a normal thing because loads of former SWTOR dudes were doing it.

Komolov.5903:

No need to do all that. Just add more rewards for wvw and watch as people flock to it.

I agree on that.You can see that fact from WvW queues.If you are losing your tier , your server often has shorter queues while you win it’s always full.

It’s an honor for me to make a noob player to use alt+f4 trick.Shows me how hard i beat them and the fact that they have to re-open the game and re-queue etc. making me LOL so hard.

(Yes i’m calling every single player who do that noobs)

I didn’t even open Dagger Storm.I love my Thieves Guild.Don’t wanna waste my skill points on DS.

“Why people think portals are overpowered”

-Because they are.