Guild Wars 2

We had a few guys transfer after 7 pm and it was fine.

Raap.9065:

Additionaly someone reported seeing russian mesmers teleport infront of them out of nowhere and pop portals, south side of AB, which never got breached.

So you sit there and see a Mesmer and think oh no an exploit. That’s the easy option.
now lets see what really happened.

Consider this a gift from the ThUn trick bag for all the good fights you give us.

The mesmer was a ThUn Mesmer, dutch I believe not Russian.

After the door was taken down at bay we were sitting out side deciding how to deal with the wall of siege weapons behind the door.

We decided to feint for the door and have 3 Mesmers try to stealth in, they broke for the door as we seemed to retreat for Garrison with CIR. We are pursued by some defenders who left a hole behind them. 2 Mesmers died but one got in.

We then broke right and swam south to wait for the call from the Memser.

He having been spotted kited 3 players to the south wall where he ported us in. We then pushed for the siege weapons from accross the internal bridge. Desolation forces over reacted to us and pushed the bridge to stop us leaving the open gate poorly defended and CIR rushed in behind and we sandwiched you guys.

It was matter of us having a plan, some of your guys not holding the defensive postion and us having 3 mesmers in our warband.

Shortly after you guys came back onto the walls and the server went splat.

People have to realise that there are far fewer exploits in this game than the average player imagines.

Simply apply Occams razor, your defenders made a mistake chasing kills and a Mesmer stealthed by you.

Moral of the story dont kill chase.

The last two days since transfer have been very enjoyable.

Glad Heresy are over now, we had the out manned buff yesterday at AR homeland at about 10.30pm.

We could do with some additional number then. We still managed to keep out noses ahead by 5 points.

I logged at about 11 as did a lot of others and they maps started swinging. We will need to fill in the slot between midnight and 6 am and strengthen 6pm to midnight.

Ideally one more EU time zone guild and 2 US guilds would address thsi.

I doubt that GH is dying.

It is just readjusting. there are many decent guilds on GH who are working on building the community there. If I had my way I would have happily brought many of them.
They may be small guilds but they carry there own weight more so than many guilds that are far larger.

The problem with GH is as stated here, it has a great presence in a very narrow window. As it is very difficult to get people in the choices are limited.

We decided the best way was to transfer to a server where there was a great spread of players accross time zones even though at the time of transfer they were losing badly and where we could make a contribution( Blacktide is making a comeback the last few days). GH and Blacktide are works in progress.

Dont bury GH just yet. Best of luck to Gunnar’s hold.

To our old allies there. My countryman said it best.

What I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.

I will look for you, I will find you… and I will kill you.

P.s. I have the accent to deliver that dialogue.

I disagree.

server transfer allow people to address some of the issues with the 24/7 nature of pvp.

My guild were able to tranfers to a server that provided some night time cover, a period our guild cant play in as the majority of us work or study.

It was a useful solution to an annoying problem.

We even moved to a server ia middle teir that was 60 k behind its main opposition. we did this as the server Blacktide offered us, low queues, decent allies and a night force that creates a even playing field.

It still needs more transfers, one more large EU guild and two non EU(US or asian/aussie) would make a very competitive server.

pedrest wasnt being insulting. he was just teasing some guilds he Know from Warhammer. Both Thun and CIr were in the same alliance om Karak Norn in Warhammer online.

I have been ressing CIR members for many years now.

As a new transfer to Blacktide, I am enjoying the fights so far.
Yesterday was our First full day of pvp on Blacktide. I had a rare Monday of work so was on from noon till midnight BST.

A few things struck me:

I had been apprehensive about the community having moved from Gunnars hold where we had good relationships with the decent players. However I have found this server very friendly. Although I still miss some of out allies on GH.

Having moved over when we were over 60K points behind, I was ready to lose this match up but they way yesterday went, we can hold 2nd place and possibly push for a win late in the week. If we cant make a comeback we are in a good place for next week, as we have a few people still to transfer and we have yet to get to know the players on our new server.

Having a force that active when we are offline is a huge asset. On GH we were competitive between 6 pm and 11pm but outside we didn’t have a presence. We addressed that with a move to Blacktide and now many of the time slots are busy.

Ideally we need to attract an American guild or two for true 24/7 coverage. I have liked what I have seen of Ruin, perhaps now they have moved to EU servers they need a quick hop over to Blacktide As the new official Irish server I am sure I have some Irish american cousins we can entice over.

The queues are no more than 5 minutes long yet Blacktide seems to have a decent presence for large tracts of the day.

Blacktide is still a work in process, they new guilds who moved over are just beginning to get to know the war band leaders of the other guilds. it will probably take a week or so for us to get things organised.

The standard of the average pug players is very good, people are generous with their siege weapons!

In the evenings after 8 pm our numbers do seem to reduce. We probably need another EU guild that pays 6-11pm to Bolster this slot. It was a peasant surprise that we held the score advantage(Albeit a small one) for the majority of the ticks between 6 and midnight.

We spent the day in Desolation borderlands and I suspect the forces we faced were not amongst the organised groups from Deso or AR.

Snort
Warband Leader – The Unnamed.

It was a good match up , this week, with some great fights. i enjoyed it a lot.

Thanks.

It is an excellent match up.

It is an excellent match up.

@Corran

You misunderstood, we said we would be in WvWvW 6 am.
I also said we would be choosing which borderland we went into just before 6 at 5.45 in fact.

We were also told by your guild that you planned a push on the reset and would stay up as long as you could.

We did not say we would be going into the zone you were in. We logged in looked at the map and went where we though we could have the most influence.

If you believe we had some formal commitment for you to stay until 6 am and us to replace you then you in the very same zone then you are mistaken.

Go, go Maguuma.

On Saturday we hit them at 6 am with large numbers. We do it too.

We have enough organisation when we have people on to dominate fights.

There have been some great fights this week.

@ mushy Just satisfying my own curiosity, trying to get a hyandle on the server comparisons

@others

refering to primetime is confusing matters as there are two primetimes, that of Blacktide and that of the other two servers. As far as I can see we are 3 similar servers accept one of us has its peak player participation about 3 hours before the peak playing time of the others.

Guys,

lets be very clear. Black tide are not off peak cappers.

They just have a player base in timezones that are 3 hours ahead of time zone that most of Gunnars hold play in.

They cap in there morning and lose their stuff during their night.

In the cross over period when all 3 servers have high activity its a very enjoyable fight..

Once Blacktide go to bed, there possessions are contested by two servers, In their Morning there are very few contesting the maps other than Black tide. This allows them a greater points gain and the opportunity to fortify their positions.

A further issue is that disproportional number of Gunnars hold players play between 6 pm and 12 am bst. On week days I never play after midnight or i would be shattered at work. However between 6-12 we at ThUn feel that there are some great fights.

i have some questions for Blacktide btw.

Whats is the spvp population like on Blacktide?
How busy is Blacktide at peak?
how are your queues?
Whats the primary language in chat.
What is pve like on the server?

Gunnar’s hold is always looking for decent guild. Small is fine.

One of the few things Warhammer online did well was loot. just steal their mechanic.

If they fixed the rendering issue it would help a lot.

How are the queues on your server. On Gunnar’s Hold they seem to be shorter and certain zones are near instant pops.

Is this reflected on other servers?

I will miss you guys.

Good luck.

Nubgan.1247:

Myself and The Secret Society [TSS] look forward to strengthening our server with an alliance like this. Got you on follow in game Snort in hope that I could chat some about the alliance, so hopefully my guild will have the privilege of joining and getting to know the members of INT in the near future.

Also, quick Plug for http://www.gunnars-hold.eu looking to send some traffic through here as a place for guilds to recruit, a bit of community interaction and hopefully co-operate in the downfall of our opponent servers in future WvW.

Happy to work with you guys anytime, mate.
PM in game

Rezo.4815:

And you get to decide what is nightcapping and what isn’t eh Snort? Smooth.

lol

/double faceplam

I think you should ask a guildy to explain what I was doing above.

That sound is the point flying way over your head.

Made my day, people at work looked up to see who was laughing.

After all it is always night somewhere.

I am sure it will be added too people always find excuses.

Yes WvW is great fun, We have non stop action.

It’s 3 in the afternoon, so that is nightcapping. only scores after 5 and before 11 count.

I have missed the boring at prime time posts where are they.

prime time pvp is amazing.

DavidMonthen.4398:

Just to get this straight.

Neither Desolation nor IRON are complaining about an alliance

Err lets see, have you read posts in this thread by Wrex, ChewBiduhwa, Rezo’s decent into paranoia? Not only were there people complaining about a non existent alliance, they were complaining about the idea of having one altogether.

Glad to see your seeing reason, was looking for a while there that it was less Iron and more Tinfoil Hat.

The Monk.3672:

Well you guys/girls on GH certainly need to do something looking at the scores right now ¬_¬

Good luck with the alliances.

Right now most of us are at work.

Actually I am going to start a new set of complaints all with night capping, people should whine about the unemployed and students playing. Ticks should only happen when tax payers are home. No nightime ticks and no ticks from 9- 5.

Will it catch on?

As a serious aside what are the various server popluation at this time, anyone able to screen shot it, who is full in EU etc?

Cill.6451:

Good post Snort.

It is vitally important that inter-alliance relationships are strong on Gunnar’s Hold. We need to rebuild any broken inter-alliance relationships now and re-unite as one server.

We are already a strong server IMO and good relationships and communications between alliances are essential if we are to improve.
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Well said mate.

And go ahead with your initative.

Whats the criteria for this list. i would have desolation higher.

Why did desolation take the lead early in the match up gaianst VS. i didnt watch any of the other match up scores?

Rezo.4815:

You guys denying it or making a laughing matter out of it doesn’t change the fact you guys did cooperate and lose. Own up to your own failures instead of covering it up, thats what a man would do.

This level of paranoia is an unforeseen circumstance of my post. Apply Occam’s razor we dont have an alliance as much as I think that we should.

BTW you guys really should try and set up an alliance in the tier your in next week. It will either show you how hard it is to do and you will see that I am telling you the truth or work for you and VS lose much to everyone other than Canada’s delight.

Corran inspired me to post this thread.

The Unnamed are in a alliance of guilds called INT.We have all been building this up slowly and surely over the last while.Many of these guilds are small. Most members are working so we tend to play Monday to Friday after work and before midnight and then have decent spread numbers over the whole weekend(taking in to account families and all that).

The member of the INT alliance are as follows:
[CIR]
[DkR]
[Thun]
[Dawn]
[PK]
[AS]
[INT]
[HUB]
[BRB]
[PCG]
[HRSY]
[Vitas]
[LoE]
[AB]
[SnM]
[MM]
[Mrly]
[TDA]
[WR]
[PRXM]
[KF]

• appologies to anyone i leave out.

We are starting to work with an alliances called Golem.

Both these alliances has been trying to work together. We need to take it to the next level on Gunnar’s Hold. Therefore we are either alliance is willing to take on new members or new member guilds.

Additionally and more importantly we are also interested in working with any other alliances and guilds that want to coordinate in a colaltion of equals. No guild need feel excluded, we will talk to anyone. A hand of friendship is extended to all.

This is the opportunity for everyone of the server to start a fresh and get things coordinated.

Let’s see what can be done.

Oh and a shout out to tempest nice fighting you guys( I mean being in a secret alliance with you) Good post to confuse things.

See you in the Alliance meeting house tomorrow with VS and Elona Reach guys.

@Corran

No whining in our posts just a sensible initiative to improve the match up.

BTW It is an intitaive i believe that has failed. Augury and GH were all over each other yesterday in Desolation Borderlands when the orb reset.

As for the Kiss issue, Unfortunaltely that is a problem of their making. They made the mistake of thinking that buying a comander icon gave them the privilege of telling members of our alliance what to do(This alliance includes CIR, THUN and about 10 other guilds).

Despite this arrogance on their part I decided to reach out to them to see if any cooperation was possible. This was rebuffed pretty swiftly. This was followed a few days later by being flamed in tells by Kiss.

Again in despite of this a third party reached out to them to see if some arrangement could be made. Again nothing.

Ina while i will make a 4th effort to get us all on the same page.

As it stands we are all still up for cooperation both within our own server and accross servers where needed.

@Rezo that night was a bit of a fluke. AR attacked us as well. We dont have an alliance, last night was probably the best exampe of that. the desoaltion Borderlands was very much a 3 way fight. once again with some great matchups.

The scramble for the orb over about an hour was epic, were any of you guys there. This weeks battle shave all felt epic and incredibly fast paced.

As an aside I think my effort to get the two losing servers to focus the winning one has failed but it will not stop we trying in the future. I am pretty confident that the best match ups will be the ones that do this.

I am not sure any of the 3 of us is ready for that tier.

Sorry Kobra, i wasnt clear.

I was saying I enjoy the match up. GH v Ar V Deso, as it has good fights.

There is no alliance. There is just me trying to get the idea accross that the two severs in 2nd and 3rd should focus the 1st.

AR are hitting us at the moment so seem to be content with 2nd.

I would rather play for first and cooperation with another server could be a means to that end.

It may mean we end up in 3rd but i would rather play for first and fail than play for 2nd and get it. That is just me.

if we go up or down doesnt matter as much as the quality of the fights. We had great fights in this match up and great fights in the previous one.

I would ask these questions, why is it ok for a server to coordinate amongst its guilds but wrong for two other servers to attempt it? Surely the way to beat VS would be for the two others to unite to negate the night advantage?

The main bulk of the alliance?

I very much doubt that.

Firstly there is no alliance. Secondly you fought some pugs?

@QTRKOBRA

First decent reply from a Desolation player. That is an excellent question. There are a number of possible advantages that. None of which are guaranteed though.

Earlier in the week GH were being hit on two fronts, so working with augury would stop or reduce this.

This was also allowing Desolation to run away with the match. Cooperation could mitigate this.

If the leading server is focused you create a tighter match. if the match is tight you dont have one side giving up and being outnumbered in WvW. This in turn can lead to better fights. I can honestly say i have enjoyed the fights this week.

If the match gets very tight then one server could make a sprint for the finish line. In a previous match up we overtook Riverside(I think) with 15 minutes to run on the match up. We won by a handful of points and clever strategy.

The most important benefit is a bit more tenious, I am off the opinion and it is only my opinion, that it will take some time for the idea of servers coordinating deseminates. this was the first time i saw it being needed so I attempted to jump started. Honestly i dont think I have been very successful but that will not stop me trying. It may take a few weeks but eventually I believe the mindset will take hold.

From a personal point of view I enjoyed the meta game in Warhammer and i enjoy it here.

As it stands there is some ad hoc cooperation but not much and nothing official. it is not as if i can manipulate all my server and Augury rock. I do own a white cat but i am not a James Bond villain.

And if it were needed I would have made the proposal to any server against any other server.

I am a believer in organisation and have been bemused by a number of juvenile ad hominem responses to what is a sensible pragmatic approach(not you QTRKOBRA)

I was wondering what face rubbing was. I though it was when we stood in the door way of one our keeps and you couldnt get past.

You guys seems to be very ragey about people coordinating. I must say it has me perplexed and a tad amused.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Kinda-sums-up-the-Whines-for-WvW-Don-t-come-in-if-you-can-t-take-a-joke/first#post258408

If it makes you feel better, there is very little evidence of coordination yet.

As for making our lives miserable. The guild tag you need to search for is ThUn. bring it on I need the badges.

We spent yesterday sat in a tower in the north east of your borderlands, your entire server took down the gate and walls and couldn’t take the tower from one guild so I am not exactly quaking in my boots. Bring a bigger zerg next time.

I would however love if a someone could come up with a logical reason for opposing cooperation against a dominate server in a system that was explicitly designed to allow it to happen.?

I suspect there isnt any one capable of making a cogent argument.

@ The Monk

The simple answer is to get the scores even closer.

If we keep this up, targeting the leading server on the match up, we can probably create one of the most fun match ups.

I believe all the other tiers have a run away leader? I am open to correction on this.

Doubt Xaoc cheated. They are a class guild.

I played for about 3 hours last night. got in the region of 69 badges.(ish) Gor about 127 the night before in over 4 hours, the majority were in a 60 minute period.

All just from kills. It seems ok?

They just made a bit grindy?

Sorry. Some patch notes.

Coordination is a banning offence.

Voice coms are considered third party hacking.

Strategy,Tactics, Communication and Cooperation have been added to the profanity filter.

Glad your seeing reason.

Now if we could extend cooperation beyond the desolation Borderland that would be good. Even in the desolation borderland we still had fights at keeps between Augury and Gunnar’s .It may be hard to get cooperation working accross 4 zones in the remaining time. It is still good practice for the 2 week match ups.

@ Augury: In desolation borderlands yesterday we between us we had the desolation zerg pinned in one camp for most of the evening. This allowed us both to close on them.

@ desolation thanks for the fights at Crags, holding with out a door or walls was a great challenge. it looks really cool from where we were standing, very epic. Using the siege on our bottleneck was very clever. We nearly wiped a few times.Thanks.

Rezo,

We would have been happy yo join up with you guys were 2nd or 3rd. Its the reason they have 3 servers.

Its nothing personel, we are just gunning for the top dogs, take it as a compliment.

Servers communicating and focusing one other(if pulled off) is just the start of the meta game.

Coordination is king. whether is players joining a guild, a guild using voice coms, guilds forming alliances or servers focusing others. Coordination is also hard to pull off especially amongst servers.

It is perfectly legitimate to organize. It one of the reason we are succesful as a guild.

@trolls (not you Rezo)

As for the troll in this thread, who are not interested in civility, in guild we refer to enemy zerglings as loot bags.

Rezo.4815:

Dear Gunnars Hold, you will gain nothing from working together with Augury Rock except letting the french win instead of us, i congratulate your leaders for deciding to help the nightcappers win when they would have slowly inched their selves to 1st anyway. IRON has personally delivered Ascension Bay to you guys on a silver plate every morning and you ungratefully pull this off. Really guys, i’d love to see you pass us in points now because odds are we are going to play against you guys next week aswell if you let Augury win.
Love,
IRON

Have no fear, If Augury go into the lead we will turn on them.

Your own guild mates have different ideas if you read the thread. their attitude is a tiny bit /facepalm.

The leading server should be a target for everyone else.

On the bright side its making an interesting match up.

the fights have been very enjoyable.

Rezo.4815:

Snort.3698:

iHaukka.2815:

Wasn’t even the first time IRON made golem zerg. Last time they got bit too greedy and Gunnar’s got angry.
Went much better this time.
-Raikof reporting in

The 13 Golem push that wiped was Iron?

That was probably Genesis Gaming on Desolation Borderland you are refrencing there. IRON has been playing on Augury Rock BL every day with taking 3 keeps every time golems go up.

ah cool

iHaukka.2815:

Wasn’t even the first time IRON made golem zerg. Last time they got bit too greedy and Gunnar’s got angry.
Went much better this time.
-Raikof reporting in

The 13 Golem push that wiped was Iron?

whyto.1350:

I think I’ll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0ozMyWPB28

Classic song.

But you may need to be careful, a Golem push requires coordination and there are those on here who frown on that sort of thing.

We can not be organised!

Wrex.6798:

Not at all, i love coordination but really, try looking to your own server for it instead of crying to another, what’s next, do you want Desolation to lie down and just let you win too since you can’t do it alone?

Is there any reason coordination should be restricted to your own server other than whim?