Guild Wars 2

Finally.. IoJ get their Hills back from us.

VP has been camped in IoJ BL pretty much all day. Had some really good fights.

Cheers IoJ

/salute

Pentzski.4620:

He’s referring to the laughing part. We don’t mind immediately being targeted and jumped like 7v1. Just the emote bit is a slap to the face.

I think this unfortunate laughing incident arose from a previous encounter with you guys that might have skewed, one of our guy’s, usually level head into typing the /laugh.

I will endeavour to eradicate this behaviour from our ranks immediately.

/salute

Diamond.1093:

Man i got so outplayed that you needed to laugh on me, kitten guys. Probably wouldnt have laughed had you know that 10 mins later you’d get kittened so hard while camping our spawn huh. 2nd screenshot was what we wiped of you.

I have explained before. Maybe you didn’t understand or something, but we will always target you and vice versa.

Btw.. Is that the correct second screen shot cause all i see is the IoJ zerg there and your in CD right? Maybe wanna check that out.

Had some good fight with you guys tonight. Took us a couple of attempts to find out who is doing your damage, but we did.

/salute

Mayhem.1935:

To the vT war i /lol’d when you were down: my bad. I thought you were a warrior from VP that spam laughed at me when he and 6 others outplayed me 7v1. What can i say? Meta wars all look the same amirite? My bad for the /lolz

The Swindler

Spam laughing… Not usually our style. If that happened, sorry about that.

Your In NA guild. We know a lot of you guys from DR days. We know you are good. We are not going to pass you by even if it is only 1 of you and you should know this. If you didn’t, you know now.

The same applies whenever any of NA see a single person from VP. I have been chased by 6 of you before so I don’t see your point about outplayed.

/salute

GavinGoodrich.1382:

Good ninja on the part of VP of our hills. Caught us napping.

Cheers. We have had our eye on it since it got a waypoint

Thanks to Crixus for leading the assault.

/salute

Here is a little bit of something to get eveyone ready for the weekend, courtesy of VP’s resident Char DJ Evidentz.

Marcol.2349:

Would’ve loved to see more SoS + bp guys noqq/vp even those krew guys would’ve been fun. Hopefully you get some balls in a bit and log on soon ‘cos it’s roamtime eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !#!#@! <333333333
Sincerely,
Best Necro NA

Sorry none of VP could attend the fight club.

We were busy driving SoS and CD out of our borderland.

Next time hopefully.

/salute

azizul.8469:

Snow Ghost.6817:

Shout out to CNB from SoS. Good fights with you guys tonight, always tough going when in a scuffle with your guild.

/salute

CNB- Chuck Norris is Back ?

if so, i thought CNB is a loyalist to Kaineng ?

Yeah.. We fought CNB on Kaineng but they are on SoS now it seems.

Shout out to CNB from SoS. Good fights with you guys tonight, always tough going when in a scuffle with your guild.

/salute

Marcol.2349:

Snow Ghost.6817:

VP had a great time on SoS BL tonight. Thanks to SoS for the many good fights we had.

Thanks to NA from CD for the GvG fights near the end of our night. Always have to be on top of our game when we encounter you guys.

/salute

Yeah this match up is much more fun

for a little bit of one of our encounters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma5XxCvkPuQ
i use the vids to improve my game, don’t expect edits or music haha you may catch interpreter kitten talking tho,
enjoiii

Helps us a lot too, seeing the second fight from your side.

I would expect your Necs will have a rougher time of it on the next encounter after seeing this

Was also good seeing myself punting Terps off into the water before he could get those 2 stomps in :p

/salute

Pentzski.4620:

Snow Ghost.6817:

VP had a great time on SoS BL tonight. Thanks to SoS for the many good fights we had.

Thanks to NA from CD for the GvG fights near the end of our night. Always have to be on top of our game when we encounter you guys.

/salute

We necro bomb you out of love<3

Yeah.. your Necros and Elementalists are going to get focused hard next time

Still… We got you once.. you got us once… all to play for.

VP had a great time on SoS BL tonight. Thanks to SoS for the many good fights we had.

Thanks to NA from CD for the GvG fights near the end of our night. Always have to be on top of our game when we encounter you guys.

/salute

Almost got your Garri there SoS. Need to keep an eye on it cause VP would like very much to paint it a nice shade of blue

/salute

Great fights on BP BL last night.

Thanks to SoS and CD for making it interesting again.

/salute

Boonprot.6274:

Snow Ghost.6817:

saiyr.3071:

ParaldaWind.4523:

Snow Ghost.6817:

VP have had a good time in Mag BL today.

Props to PYRO… always good fights with you guys.

/salute

Uh… we’re in BP bl tonight…

Pls stop stealing our thunder

I did say “Today” and not tonight.

It was PYRO that was trying to ninja hills back a few times before the much larger force turned up and took it back.

Anyway, still had a nice time in your BL for a few hours.

/salute

What is a “hills?” Did you build siege on a hill and claim it as your own?

yep… little hill with the south west vista on it.. we made it up lovely we did.

saiyr.3071:

ParaldaWind.4523:

Snow Ghost.6817:

VP have had a good time in Mag BL today.

Props to PYRO… always good fights with you guys.

/salute

Uh… we’re in BP bl tonight…

Pls stop stealing our thunder

I did say “Today” and not tonight.

It was PYRO that was trying to ninja hills back a few times before the much larger force turned up and took it back.

Anyway, still had a nice time in your BL for a few hours.

/salute

VP have had a good time in Mag BL today.

Props to PYRO… always good fights with you guys.

/salute

Well… Ebay eventually managed to take their south east tower back from VP…. 2 trebs… multiple catas and ACs and we couldn’t hold out any longer.

Good fun Ebay.

Cheers.

VP have had loads of decent fights tonight so far, mainly from the SBI guilds. Not seen many DH out there which has been a shame.

Thanks and good luck SBI and DH for next weeks matchup.

/salute

Flytrap.8075:

Evilzara.6378:

Tots.3056:

Evilzara.6378:

Tots.3056:

Stylo.6259:

Just witnessed this 50 on 50. Was cheering for BP but they didn’t come out on top. In all fairness SBI dropped a number of balistas and did have the bridge choke advantage.

Meanwhile DDLG was breaking down the north gates in hills for a successful capture.

Wow, the numbers you guys have is unbelievable!

Idk, we had about 20 DDLG and maybe 30 on the commander. I think we just have better guild coordination during primetime and we’ve been working with our pugs and the whole server is learning to move together in the same way guild groups do.
I think if you guys coordinated your attacks with your guilds and split up your 80 man blob instead of map hopping with an entire queue you could present more of a challenge during this time slot.

You’re giving us advice? Lol..

It’s amazing how one server has attracted so many terrible guilds. The only reason you’re winning right now is because of coverage and numbers, not skill. SBI does not have skill and will never have skill.

Edit: Oh remind me, how many guilds have xferred to SBI? And how many of you guys tried recruiting BP guilds to SBI?

Stay classy SBI.

Speaking of terrible guilds…. the only decent guild that I’ve seen on BP is Dragonriders. In fact, decent doesn’t do them justice — they’re incredible. It’s a shame that they have to put up with whiney, bitter people like you that talk about class while being their trolltastic selves.

All other guilds on BP are terrible?

Utter nonsense!

Hey Halfpint… we loved our time on DR but when your guild stops having fun cause the rest of the server stops showing up in wvw, then it is time to move on.

We miss a lot of the great people we got to know on DR and wish them all the best.

I really do understand server loyalty but my first priority is to my guys and I will make the hard decisions to stay or leave when I need to, as I am sure Blodeuyn has had to too.

Sorry.. dont want to highjack the thread any longer..

/salute

Tricare.2946:

Snow Ghost.6817:

We haven’t found that many good fights this matchup so far. Our 10-15 either mows down 5 man teams and very occasional simliarly numbered puggle groups or runs into the 30+ blobs that DB and Mag guilds love to run about in and we get smashed.

Not much fun either way.

Sure we could do the whole, string the zerg out and pick them off or run for the choke point but we always prefer a straight up open field fight if it is at all possible.

We have had a couple of encounters with [NS] while they have had similar numbers to us but we have caught them by surprise while they were hitting gates so we can’t really claim anything spectacular there.

Just wish there were some more teams out there with similar numbers to us.

Would love to run into the [Ark] guys while you don’t have your full squad of 25+ out. Win or lose, at least it would be interesting for my guys.

Oh well.. Moan over.

There is always next matchup to look forward to.

/salute

You could do what we do, if you see 2 people only send 2 people. I’m sure you’ll have reasons to make fun of the people you send to fight then.

“reasons to make fun of people” …..

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Comprissent.3856:

Snow Ghost.6817:

Would love to run into the [Ark] guys while you don’t have your full squad of 25+ out. Win or lose, at least it would be interesting for my guys.

We have yet to run with more than 20-21, soooooo idk what you’re waiting for

Yeah… well the only time I know of that we have seen you out there we had 10 on and you had at least double our numbers.

What I am saying is that you guys seem pretty good but we dont have the numbers to challenge you at the moment.

Maybe we will get lucky and find you while you are not at full strength for a chance at a fairer fight.

/salute

Hey Blodeuyn. Not seen you in a while. I hear its not great over on DR now. Very sad to hear that, but it was kinda going that way for a while

Would love to have you guys on Borlis Pass with us again. We are currently matched up with Maguma and Dragonbrand and it’s Zerg city.

We don’t usually fight those guys though as they are much higher ranked than us and we are normally able to keep most of our upgraded towers and keeps overnight with the guys we got.

BP don’t have any ambitions to get to T1 and are quite happy being around the rank 9-10-11 mark, where there are no crazy map queues and few 60 man blobs.

Ping me in game if you want to know any more or I can give you our TS details to have a chat.

Good luck wherever you end up. Every server should be trying to get you guys.

/salute

We haven’t found that many good fights this matchup so far. Our 10-15 either mows down 5 man teams and very occasional simliarly numbered puggle groups or runs into the 30+ blobs that DB and Mag guilds love to run about in and we get smashed.

Not much fun either way.

Sure we could do the whole, string the zerg out and pick them off or run for the choke point but we always prefer a straight up open field fight if it is at all possible.

We have had a couple of encounters with [NS] while they have had similar numbers to us but we have caught them by surprise while they were hitting gates so we can’t really claim anything spectacular there.

Just wish there were some more teams out there with similar numbers to us.

Would love to run into the [Ark] guys while you don’t have your full squad of 25+ out. Win or lose, at least it would be interesting for my guys.

Oh well.. Moan over.

There is always next matchup to look forward to.

/salute

Just been part of the epic defense of our keep in EB. [HK] and [VP] along with other fearless warriors, managed to hold out and wipe wave after wave of the DB zerglings, even though there wasn’t 1 wall left standing in our keep.

Thanks to all that were there and thanks to DB for the bags, much appreciated.

/salute

PS: Don’t think the [EA] Char commander likes being focused too much

[VP] had some great fights yesterday in EB with the small roaming team we had out. Props to Kain for continuing to keep the pressure on us.

Wish we had been recording but sadly, nope.

Cheers

/salute

[VP] Have had a fun night in Kain BL. Thanks to [CNB] for the fights. Best we have had in this match up. Cheers to [BMS] too.

Hope we can do it again soon.

/salute

[VP] and friends have had a good day in SBI BL so far.

Thanks for the fights SBI, keep em coming.

/salute

Sil.4560:

Aeros.2046:

The goal of WvW is take and hold towers and keeps. The very nature of how you win means the best strategy is to tower hug. If you are not hugging your towers you are inviting the possibility of losing.

Remind me again how one wandering player is such a huge threat to justify three people fleeing and bunkering down on a wall? I think there’s been one time, late night, where I’ve actually trebbed and taken a tower alone with defenders still inside, and tower hugging obviously didn’t save them. And yes, I /laughed.

Anyway, what I’m saying is that people rely on overwhelming numbers as a crutch, thereby stunting themselves in actual personal skill, which can and will come back to bite them in the kitten when they’re either a) caught alone and/or b) when lolzerg2win fails due to changing game mechanics.

Dio.2394:

Sil.4560:

Anyway, reset is really the true show of a server’s ability I think.

The more correct versions would be:
“Anyway, reset is really the true show of a server’s ability to stay home on a Friday night and play video games I think.”

rofl, fair enough. Either way, reset night seems to pit a server’s best abilities against each other more than any other time of week.

Elixir.2169:

Uncle Shags.9017:

[video]

This is coming from the man that when he starts to lose a fight he RUNS! If your going to run then run i’m fine with you running. BUT don’t come back to fight once you heal up. That’s the lowest of the low moves.You sir are the last person to talk!

Some classes have, as a strength, the ability to put distance between themselves and their enemy to refresh. With my warrior build I’m actually able to disengage while healing a good amount of health and at the same time keeping my enemy in combat with conditions. I’ve taken down multiple people using this tactic while alone.

When you RUN away, you effectively reset the fight for yourself as you get out of combat and completely heal up while leaving your opponent with conditions on them.

This is a low move in a 1v1 fight in my opinion. Anyone that breaks combat does not deserve to win that fight.

Bit like getting moa’d

Uncle Shags.9017:

Against my better judgment, I’m doing it again…posting on the last day of the matchup in order to call a spade a spade. Here’s a video of yesterday’s tower hugging event that’s sparked some discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5zZA3nlNz4

What does this prove?

No-one was disputing that it happened, just the reasons behind it.

Sooo your video really doesn’t bring anything to light or provide further interesting insight.

Not even any good music!

/salute

Korav.8462:

Everyone has a different playstyle, which is fine… diversity in playstyles and playing the way you want is fine.

However, most trolling posts are made with in game context that not everyone is aware of, or want to hear. I was involved in several of those fights yesterday and I am certain that others will have different perspectives, however some of the context to this may be relevant.

First, there was limited activity in the zone and we had the outmanned buff the entire duration I was there (~2 hours). Second, there is a call that people are “playing WvW the way it was meant to be played”… however this apparently only applies to structures, as not once would the aforementioned guild members attempt to hold or take supply camps even though they typically out numbered us by a significant margin. This generally means that they would only hide in structures behind seige, and when we were able to force people to react, they were generally killed quite a bit easier than I would suspect… some will say it is their “team” build… but I personally play a team build even when roaming, and frankly if I played as poorly as they did in such builds I would be looking for ways to improve my play drastically or at least look to diversify my play so I didn’t look as though I were playing so poorly.

Now with regards to [VP] specifically, I understand that the individuals may be in your guild and you want to explain what you as a guild prefer playstyle wise, and I respect both aspects. However, to add context in… the two that were there had no problems attacking and trying to kill little ole me 2v1… however as soon as the odds evened, they fled back into either bay or the nearby tower. They both appeared to be skilled players, working together and attempting to coordinate, but as soon as the odds evened and there was the potential to be defeated, they left rather quickly. So if they seemed skillful… but are only willing to fight 2v1 and run once the odds are even… If it smells like a chicken… and acts like a chicken… then it probably IS a chicken. But maybe I am wrong and they had “important” AC manning duties with the 7-8 people in the tower holding off EB’s 3-5 people outside of it.

Thank you for your reasonable and balanced response. It is unexpected but welcome.

I was not personally there for the encounter that you describe so I have endeavoured to give a clear over view of how we usually play, and our general outlook on which aspects of WvW we are interested in.

When you add in the context, which is different from both sides I might add, I can see your point of view.

“Chicken” I guess if you mean that anyone that runs away while in a fight, even if it is after others add in to the fight, is a “Chicken” then surely you would have to include the recent influx of Run Away warriors that Ebay have started fielding. As I am sure you know, these guys run with those ridiculous skills as soon as their health gets to below 50% and are almost impossible to catch. Sometimes they just break combat till they regain health and CDs and engage again, but surely, these guys, under your criteria, are also as you call them…“Chicken” ?

Also, the 3-5 people you had were roamers? Used to running with each other? The 7-8 guys in the tower were a mix of different guilds? I would say that if it were 3-5 VP in the tower, we would have given you the fair fight you were looking for, but when you can only rely on one other person from your guild, we are talking about a 3-5 against 2 effectively.

Its only my opinion but I know that I am, as I am sure you are, much more confident when going into a fight if you are with your own guild mates rather than people that you have no idea if they can hold their own or not.

/salute

KnattyDreads.1856:

Snow Ghost.6817:

KnattyDreads.1856:

Epic, fantastically epic tower hugging today from [VP], [LOCO], [AAA], and [HK] from Borlis Pass.

Congratulations, I’m astonished by your lack of individual skill.

Another roamer that cries when people don’t want to play the game the way they want everyone to play.

Justify poor play, lack of skill and cowardice however you like. If this is what you say to yourselves to help you sleep at night I can understand. At least those from [Krew] and [DR] that I have come across in the last (2) weeks will stand and fight, win or lose, and I respect that.

But for those I mentioned, well…

Did you not read my post or are you just not sufficiently mentally capable to understand it?

Why would someone that has a build geared towards a 10 man team give a relatively easy kill to some bunker or spike build?

Like I said, some of us do roam and they are pretty decent too but most of us don’t.

I am sure that your larger groups know that we don’t run away from fights even when we are greatly outnumbered.

How about you do your roaming thing and camp out on Ruin Island for uplevels to gank and we will do our thing as you clearly have no idea about skill outside of a 1v1 fight.

/salute

KnattyDreads.1856:

Epic, fantastically epic tower hugging today from [VP], [LOCO], [AAA], and [HK] from Borlis Pass.

Congratulations, I’m astonished by your lack of individual skill.

Another roamer that cries when people don’t want to play the game the way they want everyone to play.

[VP] is not a roaming guild and has no interest in being in the roamers “scene”. We focus on running a 10-15 man team looking to fight 20+.

We have the same issues in finding fights as we have set up a specific team build which works very well in most circumstances, except when we come up against an organised 40+ man blob, which happens a lot when fighting these 2 servers.

We don’t hunt down roamers, but you guys do like to try and pick off some of us if we just run past you, so, I’m afraid your a target and will be engaged.

Some of our guys do like to roam and are pretty good at it too, but most of us are more focused on taking the occasional tower or keep and fighting forces of similar or larger size.

So if you are in a group of 20+ we are interested in finding you and having a good fight. If you are roaming, we really don’t care what you are doing as long as it doesn’t interfere with us.

Oh and Ebay has it’s fair share of tower huggers too, but we don’t cry about it like you always seem to.

/salute

[VP] had a great time last night fighting against [FTF] and [GH] . Hard fights and always fun.

/salute

Haz.9864:

Varconi.1804:

Been leveling an alt this week so haven’t been in WvW at all on my main. So I hop in today wow Kain and Bp are just terrible. It is so sad I can only assume I fought only pve baddies today since every thief I destroyed was running multiple legendary weapons along with 0 skill. Guess I will go back to leveling my alt and wait for real fights with skilled players after this matchup of zergball baddies is over.

Nope. This week has been straight up terrible. Theres been only two guilds that have shown any promise and thats rx and vp. The rest are just embarassingly bad, they make up for it by running in as large a group as possible at all times. Wvw has been either swams of keyboard turners or dead. Cant wait for bp to move up to a higher tier where they belong

Always good fights with Splt and the other skilled groups from NSP. Fighting you guys is the main way we try to improve ourselves and I am hoping we find something similar in the next matchup.

We moved to BP from DR this week and we have met a few smaller groups on BP that have great skill and we will be watching them to see if we can learn some new stuff for ourselves.

Will miss fighting NSP regularly, but we had to move from DR as it could not provide the stable WvW play that we need to run the way we like.

Cheers Splt, SPCA,XOXO,tM,OS.

Hope we meet up again at some point.

/salute

Everyone gets spawn camped at some time or another. Just need to make a decision as to whether you are going to run at the brick wall and try to demolish it or go round the other way and problem solved.

We did a bit of our own camping last night on HoD BL at south Hills. We made no attempt to get into the keep, just stood on the bridge and farmed a lot of people for a long time. We were mainly outnumbered, and although HoD did have a commander, it was a mixed guild group so we can’t claim that we accomplished any great feats of skill against them.

My point is, because the 8 of us were camped out over there, it seemed like the entire defense force on the HoD BL came over to us and got no-where, didn’t changed up the tactics for ages, untill someone built a balista on the cliff which we managed to take out. People gravitate to the red name tags and allow themselves to be camped or kept busy for some reason. Just the way people work I guess.

Anyway, thanks for the fights HoD.

Much fun was had.

/salute

GavinGoodrich.1382:

There’s ways to beat you with and without siege in that situation. No disrespect intended, but this is the 2nd conversation in 2 pages where we’ve been challenged to “not use siege” in a game where siege is edit literally part of the game. Sorry but it’s not gonna happen.

Its not a challenge to not use siege, just an observation that when you have your numbers, siege is not needed in EVERY situation.

There are some people that look down upon the use of siege in some scenarios, like open field etc.

Not that you should care about that 1 tiny little bit, just an observation.

Guess it comes back to what people think is fair, and everyone has different views on that. Only in a GvG can you sort out what the rules are. Open fights are open to anything.

In my honest opinion though, and this is only my opinion, if you HAVE to drop siege to win in a open field fight with similar numbers, something could be tweaked in your group to make it better.

/salute

GavinGoodrich.1382:

^regarding the 2 omegas at redlake the other day, it was one of the other commanders ragebuilding an hour before that and bringing ’em down for the helluvit, after the fact.

But frankly, omegas in a more static fight do REALLY well. Frankly they do well vs. “infantry” in a slugfest fight. That’s what they were designed for. We had ‘em, they weren’t doing anything, figured “oh well.” They made good bait when you guys went after ‘em on the intersection and left the tower. You guys had to pull back quick And their price these days makes them worth the risk, provided they don’t just get kitten ed for no reason

Your CC setup is quite frankly, amazing. I’m a lil’ bit jealous with mass #‘s of guardians doing CC. Been preaching CC since like…day 3 of WvW and many DR teams seem to have it down. Which forces us to escalate to siege in places like indestructible stairways which you’re just waiting for us to come up

GF, GF, can’t wait to do it again.

The golems did make good bait, but should not be needed when you got the numbers you guys can pull.

We are well rehearsed at open tower defense so if you haven’t come up against it before, the odds are stacked in our favor for sure. We actually only had 3 guardians, but we use our skills on rotation and call everything.

There are ways to beat us without siege, but I can’t be telling you that

Always good fun

cheers

/salute

bokkieskitten.8023:

Snow Ghost.6817:

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Snow Ghost.6817:

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

There is a big difference between an organized [HARD][CORE] group and a mostly pug zerg. I’m usually in most of those organized zergs, and don’t remember omega rushing a tower with the gate already down, haha. Although if you wiped my pug zerg 3 times while we try to get up those god-forsaken stairs, I would not be opposed to building a treb right in front of you. I’d rather waste supplies than lower IoJ morale.

It’s actually kind of funny though. With the price of omegas, it’s almost as if pugs prefer to roam with them rather than themselves. I’m sure IoJ has omega rushed people very stupidly at times. I’ve had the DR pugs omega rush pangloss, and GoM pugs (actually there was a comm in one) omega rush Danelon. What makes me giggle everytime is seeing a lone omega golem trying to take a camp, and then run away when our “Blob” descends upon it.

At any rate, know that CORE is a little over a month old, and most of our members were pugs only 1-2 weeks ago. We can definitely pull out numbers, but we’re by no means were we want to be yet. We do have some really good WvW here, but the biggest thing we’ve accomplished is getting all our members to actually listen and stay in that 5×5 blob, while simultaneously getting our pugs to do it by example.

And to be fair (I forget who said it) that 5×5 blob is pretty deadly . You can’t count our numbers very well, so aren’t sure if you should stay to fight or run. It also lets me micromanage how we choose to engage, rather than just a massive and really spread out push.

And I’ll have to tip my hat off to the GoM commander that successfully got your pugs to ball up between SM, Anz, and Spelden 2 nights ago. I didn’t think you’d be able to get them balled up .

Fair enough. I have no way of knowing if it was the organised or pug version we were defending against. There was someone commanding, that was clear.

It was just so strange to see those Golems coming towards a tower with no walls at all

Didn’t know you guys were only a month old. Your Necro fields are very very annoying btw

We have had to change the way we fight against IoJ just in case we meet you guys. I was hoping for a bigger Necro nerf in the patch, but no such luck.

Running about in golems to take camps, well… thats just nonsense.

We aren’t too bad a judging numbers. We may run but only till we get a better position to fight from, well, usually

Give us a shout if you find yourself with only 20 people and nothing to do.

/salute

A BIGGER necro nerf? I feel the need to hunt you down now.

Lol…. so much for trying not to kitten people off.

Must remeber…. Necros have feelings too…… deep deep down … inside… they are smiling.

/salute

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Snow Ghost.6817:

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

There is a big difference between an organized [HARD][CORE] group and a mostly pug zerg. I’m usually in most of those organized zergs, and don’t remember omega rushing a tower with the gate already down, haha. Although if you wiped my pug zerg 3 times while we try to get up those god-forsaken stairs, I would not be opposed to building a treb right in front of you. I’d rather waste supplies than lower IoJ morale.

It’s actually kind of funny though. With the price of omegas, it’s almost as if pugs prefer to roam with them rather than themselves. I’m sure IoJ has omega rushed people very stupidly at times. I’ve had the DR pugs omega rush pangloss, and GoM pugs (actually there was a comm in one) omega rush Danelon. What makes me giggle everytime is seeing a lone omega golem trying to take a camp, and then run away when our “Blob” descends upon it.

At any rate, know that CORE is a little over a month old, and most of our members were pugs only 1-2 weeks ago. We can definitely pull out numbers, but we’re by no means were we want to be yet. We do have some really good WvW here, but the biggest thing we’ve accomplished is getting all our members to actually listen and stay in that 5×5 blob, while simultaneously getting our pugs to do it by example.

And to be fair (I forget who said it) that 5×5 blob is pretty deadly . You can’t count our numbers very well, so aren’t sure if you should stay to fight or run. It also lets me micromanage how we choose to engage, rather than just a massive and really spread out push.

And I’ll have to tip my hat off to the GoM commander that successfully got your pugs to ball up between SM, Anz, and Spelden 2 nights ago. I didn’t think you’d be able to get them balled up .

Fair enough. I have no way of knowing if it was the organised or pug version we were defending against. There was someone commanding, that was clear.

It was just so strange to see those Golems coming towards a tower with no walls at all

Didn’t know you guys were only a month old. Your Necro fields are very very annoying btw

We have had to change the way we fight against IoJ just in case we meet you guys. I was hoping for a bigger Necro nerf in the patch, but no such luck.

Running about in golems to take camps, well… thats just nonsense.

We aren’t too bad a judging numbers. We may run but only till we get a better position to fight from, well, usually

Give us a shout if you find yourself with only 20 people and nothing to do.

/salute

Nordic Natedog.4360:

Snow Ghost.6817:

titanlectro.5029:

sephiroth.4217:

Neeho.3859:

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

We don’t have much oceanice coverage anymore, karma trains in EB on day crew dismantled our EB night crew really hard… We had 4 people at one stage trying to defend and on the only thing we owned in EB was our keep. The 4 that were on were extremely thankful RISE guild came to save EB while Ioj guys were halfway through trebbing the keep and DR were bringing golems. So by saying that, the truth is it’s Ioj that have supreme dominance during oceanic time zone now and DR can still field more people than us atm as I seen when you took durious from us, unless you call 2 GoM vs 6 DR as us having more. We also lost some more night crew players that used to help alot over the last few days to Tarnished Coast due to the bullkitten that happens within our own server and when a guild benefits themselves at the expense of the server this will only get worse.

GoM’s problem is a lot simpler than that. We are bored.

In order for GoM to fight a tougher opponent, we need to get a large positive roll and DH/SBI needs to get a strong negative roll. All other random rolls will result in us fighting weaker servers again. This is a ~25% chance of a challenge, and a ~75% of stomping weaker servers again. (This is just estimated math, I’m sure someone has the hard numbers.)

This is happening because of the HUGE artificial rating gap between rank 15 and rank 16. I call it artificial because last time we fought DH, we only lost by a little. NSP fared quite well against the T5 servers also. There is no reason for such a 250+ rating gap. Once GoM or NSP gets the opportunity to test that rating gap, it will collapse. But we need a really lucky random roll to get that chance.

So GoM is bored. I’ve barely played WvW this week, and my guild has not played it much either. Some of my “I hate all things PvE” members are working on map completion. The truth is, GoM is phoning it in.

It just goes to show you that morale is everything in WvW.

I can tell you guys are coasting this week. It is way too easy to flip stuff in your BL. Would usually expect the hoard descending within seconds upon anyone that strolls past one of your keeps and looks at it funny.

Good time to be practicing your open field fights and new tactics? There are a few really good groups to go up against in the open and I know the DR guys would love the fights.

Just a suggestion as a way to perhaps break the boredom slightly.

I know we practice on weeks that there isn’t much to be done PPT wise and it makes a difference for us.

/salute

Sorry I haven’t been on our BL to give you VP guys a good fight lately. I’ve been working on leveling some other characters as well as bringing my son up to speed on his first character. Don’t worry, I’ll be back causing havoc soon enough.

Your friendly Obon Mesmer

Looking forward to seeing you out there.

Some of our regular roamers are holidaying on NSP just now with some roaming guild.. can’t remember the name….. RSPB….SPAC… something like that

Hope we can still put up good fights for anyone that is out in the field.

/salute

titanlectro.5029:

sephiroth.4217:

Neeho.3859:

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

We don’t have much oceanice coverage anymore, karma trains in EB on day crew dismantled our EB night crew really hard… We had 4 people at one stage trying to defend and on the only thing we owned in EB was our keep. The 4 that were on were extremely thankful RISE guild came to save EB while Ioj guys were halfway through trebbing the keep and DR were bringing golems. So by saying that, the truth is it’s Ioj that have supreme dominance during oceanic time zone now and DR can still field more people than us atm as I seen when you took durious from us, unless you call 2 GoM vs 6 DR as us having more. We also lost some more night crew players that used to help alot over the last few days to Tarnished Coast due to the bullkitten that happens within our own server and when a guild benefits themselves at the expense of the server this will only get worse.

GoM’s problem is a lot simpler than that. We are bored.

In order for GoM to fight a tougher opponent, we need to get a large positive roll and DH/SBI needs to get a strong negative roll. All other random rolls will result in us fighting weaker servers again. This is a ~25% chance of a challenge, and a ~75% of stomping weaker servers again. (This is just estimated math, I’m sure someone has the hard numbers.)

This is happening because of the HUGE artificial rating gap between rank 15 and rank 16. I call it artificial because last time we fought DH, we only lost by a little. NSP fared quite well against the T5 servers also. There is no reason for such a 250+ rating gap. Once GoM or NSP gets the opportunity to test that rating gap, it will collapse. But we need a really lucky random roll to get that chance.

So GoM is bored. I’ve barely played WvW this week, and my guild has not played it much either. Some of my “I hate all things PvE” members are working on map completion. The truth is, GoM is phoning it in.

It just goes to show you that morale is everything in WvW.

I can tell you guys are coasting this week. It is way too easy to flip stuff in your BL. Would usually expect the hoard descending within seconds upon anyone that strolls past one of your keeps and looks at it funny.

Good time to be practicing your open field fights and new tactics? There are a few really good groups to go up against in the open and I know the DR guys would love the fights.

Just a suggestion as a way to perhaps break the boredom slightly.

I know we practice on weeks that there isn’t much to be done PPT wise and it makes a difference for us.

/salute

AggieTechGuy.4901:

:

To DR as a whole:

Siege (including ACs and Ballis) is a mechanic of WvW. If you don’t like it, go to sPvP. My goal isn’t to have a glorious charge with nothing but an even or outnumbered zerg against my enemies. My goal is to win / make others lose. So, why would I stop using siege on you all when it kills you & caps your assets more efficiently than banging my face against you? Isn’t that also something you complain about (PvDooring)? Don’t act like you all don’t take advantage of WvW mechanics in an effort of “fairness”.

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

GavinGoodrich.1382:

Grats on the tower ninjas, DR. Kind of a coincidence how your attack was timed with CORE’s attack on your map at the same time. Like two swordsman passing each other and landing, then spontaneously bleeding out and /plop.

Yeah.. erm… We did some ninja stuff.. your not telling me CORE did some too?

Didn’t think CORE did small team stuff.

Looked through the screenshots I took last night and I can’t see any of our keeps gone around the time we were on GoM, sooooo …. I dunno what you mean really.

Not much that our numbers could have done against the crazy blob CORE can run anyway.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Snow Ghost.6817:

styx.7294:

Snow Ghost.6817:

Tots.3056:

Sororita.3465:

Ouch DR, slow down >.>

On a serious note, less than 15 DR did that to your map…. That’s the downside to zerging as hard as you do. When literally every single person on the server is in the same place, that is what happens.

Well.. it started out with GoM taking our keep in EB and spawn camping us.

Quick call on the bat phone and 5 of my guildies show up and off we go with the pots of red paint in hand to GoM bordeland.

10 minutes and 2 golems later, we have GoMs Garrison.

Then Bay.

Then Hills.

I would trade our Keep in EB for that any day of the week.

/saulte

I dare say good work! Your daring paid off, my friend.

Hey… I keep running into you guys on my own or with some puggles and getting my kitten kicked.

Be a pal and wait till I got my guys on will ya? … No? … Bugger!

Never! One of your folks dropped me a rare over the weekend, so now I expect to get one every time I kill a VP.

I need to finish my Quip.

We usually give out good WXP too

Was nice to finally catch up with you tonight when I had some of my guildies with me.

Some of my nightmares are now gone… phew.

Good fights as always RH .. Like your style.

/salute

styx.7294:

Snow Ghost.6817:

Tots.3056:

Sororita.3465:

Ouch DR, slow down >.>

On a serious note, less than 15 DR did that to your map…. That’s the downside to zerging as hard as you do. When literally every single person on the server is in the same place, that is what happens.

Well.. it started out with GoM taking our keep in EB and spawn camping us.

Quick call on the bat phone and 5 of my guildies show up and off we go with the pots of red paint in hand to GoM bordeland.

10 minutes and 2 golems later, we have GoMs Garrison.

Then Bay.

Then Hills.

I would trade our Keep in EB for that any day of the week.

/saulte

I dare say good work! Your daring paid off, my friend.

Hey… I keep running into you guys on my own or with some puggles and getting my kitten kicked.

Be a pal and wait till I got my guys on will ya? … No? … Bugger!

Tots.3056:

Sororita.3465:

Ouch DR, slow down >.>

On a serious note, less than 15 DR did that to your map…. That’s the downside to zerging as hard as you do. When literally every single person on the server is in the same place, that is what happens.

Well.. it started out with GoM taking our keep in EB and spawn camping us.

Quick call on the bat phone and 5 of my guildies show up and off we go with the pots of red paint in hand to GoM bordeland.

10 minutes and 2 golems later, we have GoMs Garrison.

Then Bay.

Then Hills.

I would trade our Keep in EB for that any day of the week.

/saulte

Here is a little bit of happiness for everyone, with love, from VP.

This vid was made by Evidentz of VP.

Enjoy.

Thanks to the 3 IoJ guys that we had duels with on IoJ BL earlier. Enjoyed the 2v2, would have liked the 3v3 to have happened.. maybe next time.

You guys were good and we learned a lot.

/salute