Guild Wars 2

I’m speaking 20-30, and like I said, I have no issue with not pushing and killing 60-80 in 1 go, I’d be an idiot to think we could do that. Whats stupid is that because of the ressing mechanic, we can’t do any damage to that group as a whole because they just res whoever we down. You suddenly make it so that downed state is removed, and you go straight to defeated. We push, kill 30, and the larger disorganised grou kitten lowly wittled down by a smaller more organised group, and is thus punished due to superior skill.

In some fights we probably down total players in the enemy blobs literally hundreds of times, I’m talking 10 minute fights vs 60-80, multiple pushes, 20-30 downed every push, but we can’t ever make a dent in the blob because of the ressing mechanic.

Again, like I said, the game currently is numbers > skill

The issue for us as a guild here is the ability for huge blobs to just mass res as they go. We cannot push through 60-80 guys in 1 go, survive and down all of them(understandably), so we have to pull off and heal, and in the time it takes us to do that, every enemy we downed is back on their feet.

It forces people to get larger and larger groups just to get the necessary damage, and forcing people to group and zerg is not healthy for the game.

Because of a few mechanics, this being the main one in my opinion, the game currently favours numbers before skill which is bad in a PvP/RvR enviroment.

Pryda.8257:

That was quite awesome sportsmanship tonight on PS map with guilds waiting and not adding on fights, props to HoB, Scnd, DsD, BuLL & sorry if I forgot anyone. Faith in WvW restored!

And to you guys, awesome fights tonight with all enemy guilds mentioned, definitely one of the better WvW nights. Hope to see you guys out there again tomorrow!

Regarding this blobbing.

Piken Square has recieved a large number of transfers, both guilds and random solo players, in the last month or so. Because of that, guilds are unable to get into the maps in large numbers reliably. Looking at that screenshot, I don’t see a large presence from any guild and you cannot really expect guilds to roam solo if they don’t have a majority presence. What can you do vs the larger enemy guilds such as yourself(30+ guys) when our guilds only have10-15 guys in the map?

Whenever I’ve been playing recently(except EB), I’ve seen PS running multiple groups around the map, but when there’s more friendlies in the map than guild players, what do you expect to happen? I’m genuinely curious.

Thats maybe my 1 complaint about BB loseros, is that the best time for GvG challenge is at that time of night, so our raids are lasting 6 hours roughly now just so we can get some good action ^^We aren’t complaining though, glad to have RS and its blobs out of this tier, and to have some good solid roaming guilds replace them.

Awesome night again, Second having more fun than we’ve had in weeks vs BB guilds, and RG. Nice to see AR guilds also operating on your own, pls continue to do so, good fights vs you tonight as well, especially ASCK and ODA, along with BB guilds RED and CS. More for the rest of the week please

Ended the night with our reducing numbers chasing RG round the maps, got wiped pretty hard at the beginning when you outnumbered us, but things got interesting towards the end when numbers kinda evened out on both sides, and finally got you in Pangloss after a few more wipes. Had to wade through a BB zerg to get to you as well, kinda annoying. Good fight in Danelon also, almost had you, but gz to that win, we got outplayed.

See you the rest of this week o/

PS – Can we lose the forum warriors please? Its getting embarassing.

Awesome night of fights in AR BL. Shoutout to AR guilds NR and OCB, along with Baruch guilds Nuke, VLK and DsD. kittening crazy fight for us in AR’s Garrison, 40 minutes of killing, 400-500 kills, finally killed by some great work by DsD and Nuke sandwhiching us on the bridge.

Nice of RG to zone into the map later on as well, had a few good fights vs you before we logged, unfortunately it was usually in the middle of a 3 way, with our flanks getting pushed by BB and blobs on all 3 sides. Hope to find you on your own later this week.

Props to PS guilds also in the zone, great work by VII, HoB, GF, TNTD and other small scale roamers. Awesome night

Garrison movie available soon

Empyre.2531:

Let’s see how this will turn out

Good to have you guys back where we can kill you, hope to have some fights with you over the course of the week

With respect Ireth, I’d just like to stop you there. In our experience [dw] is the only guild on Riverside that can complain about blobbing, they run a seperate guild raid to the monster german blobs that we usually find. Although, that blob you just had taking our borderlands, holy kitten, those numbers. We were maybe 15-20 total on the map, and you easily had 70-80+, don’t know where you went after getting Garrison outer down though.

Hopefully will see some RS guilds running seperate this week, as well as AR’s, really want to break this current meta of ‘the blob’. Hope to see [dw] also over the course of the week, want more chance to fight you guys!

To reiterate my point, we were fighting in a tower a few days ago, 20 vs their server. We’d push, kill 20, and move out again(because 60+ guys spamming AoE’s hurt). We wouldn’t lose anyone, not even downed. We’d then prepare to push again. But wait, those 20 we just killed are fully ressed, in around 5 seconds. It just becomes a stalemate until the larger groups acquires the balls to actually try and push our smaller group. We can’t do anything to their blob.

Nothing we do matters because whoever we kill, they get ressed in seconds.

However, you implement one of the ideas in this thread, and suddenly our group can push, kill 20, pull out, and repeat that until their whole force is fully dead. If their group isn’t organised enough to push our smaller group, why shouldn’t they be punished for it?

Catisa.6507:

hard revives should be out of combat only (WvW only).

^This. Make this happen please.

Too many times our small group of 20 players pushes into a blob of 60-80, downs 30+, fully kills 15-20 of these, only for us to back off to heal/buff etc etc, and in the short 5-10 seconds it takes to do this, those players we fully killed are completely ressed and throwing abilities our way again. Sure, there are times in history where superior numbers make the difference, but there are also many times when it came down to how organised and disciplined a force is, not how many there are of them. And at the minute, using the current system, there isn’t much smaller more organised forces can do to counter the blobs, when there should be.

Its often said on our comms, ‘They can res their dead faster than we can kill the rest of them’, which is purely down to how many of them there are. Its a mechanic that completely favours zerging, and has no benefits whatsoever to smaller groups.

Any leadership of the VR guild from Augury Rock that I can get in contact with about hacking?

Elvicof.8263:

Have we come to a conclussion during the last 3 weeks forum discussion, wich server has the lowest WvW population? Seems it is a close race between PS and Gan

Now now, lets not force a decision to be made, the deep and thoughout discussions deserve the chance to come to a conclusion in their own time.

Just to input, the 300 strong Gandara 5am morning zerg is disgusting, and the 900 strong AR midday golem rushing is just downright cheating. Both of your servers should be scrapped from the ladder completely for such foul play.

Endomonadia

im just saying that its annoying that player/population numbers are beating Piken and not skill.

Both Gandara and AR have some very skilled WvW guilds. Please don’t go throwing around comments like this as it makes Piken look like a bunch of arrogant ****s.

Caid

Nice video,
Hear you guys are a break-off from GG? Will we be seeing them anymore or is it just you guys now?

Yeah, GG was never intended or setup to be a raiding guild, so we felt it was unfair to be pushing the guild in a direction the majority didn’t want it go, so we split and formed the new guild [Scnd] The people that enjoyed the style of raiding we did came to the new guild, we run 10-20 instead of the old 25-30.

Moving swiftly on

Had fun tonight, on every map, and against a lot of guilds. See you all over the week o/

KinkyWarrior.1879:

I don’t hit at middle of the night I play mainly primetime and only stay on til 12:00am the latest normally. At this time ‘le monobus’ is still online and so there’s still fights to be had :P

Thats our term! :O You STOLE it. Filthy tourist

Lets not cry nightcap guys, we have a substantial day cap that they don’t have(even though the patch kinda screwed it today), so grats to Gandara for playing the points game better than us this week. Had some excellent fights, and hoping for more of the same next week. Hoping to see less blobs as well, but meh, that may be a hopeless venture Bring on next week.

Dranul.2094:

……One can hope……

Get your arses into T3!!

Wait, XxX ran 25-30? We didn’t estimate that many tbh, maybe 20-25, closer to 20. We had 18 at our peak tonight, so I have no idea what on Earth this zerging is about. If you’re talking about in PS BL, we had 3 fights against you.

1. You grouped to buff and push, and we bombed on top of you and wiped 60-80% of your group instantly. The rest retreated into the ruins or to the lake.

2. You flanked and attacked us when we were engaging AR, maybe half ours died or downed, we then regrouped with 8, moved to engage(cos why not), and you flanked us from the cliff and killed most of the remaining.

3. We ran into eachother on the ramp going past Hills, we tried to bomb on top of you, but didn’t catch many due to it being a surprise appearance, moved down the ramp to regroup, you went up, then KA came past us and engaged while we were regrouping and they killed you.

There was never any point at which we intentionally blobbed and zerged. The only fight when it might have been considered a blob was at the Hills ramp, but even then, us and KA engaged one after eachother, never together.

Bring your guild into the maps we’re in more often please, always enjoy the fights with XxX, always challenging Look forward to seeing more of you this week o/

Caid.4932:

Well i’ve seen very little of the piken guilds I’m more familiar with (I’m aware a lot have gone elsewhere). Think I’ve seen [GG] once on Piken bl, we were running about 10 and shortly after starting [WvW] left the map leaving us on our own vs a 20+ (?) GG raid. GG are a great guild and it would have been a really, really tough fight with equal numbers, so it was just a mismatch really. We were a bit sloppy and slow to react to commander anyway on that day so … yeah, weren’t great fights from our PoV. (Having said that you were impressive in the manner you beat us, your pre-fight movement around cragtop was particularly impressive).

Yeah, I remember that, we had some good fights against a tonne of guilds that night. Dius, WvW, XxX, Hail, SNOW, Tohu, Sang, very very fun night. I remember when we killed you at Cragtop, and the first thing I said was, ‘for a 10-15 man raid, their melee train hits so kittening hard’, so respect to you guys We’ve had some good fights all during the week, tried so hard not to group with other guilds, sometimes assisted other guilds in the open if they’ve been heavily outnumbered, but if they’re winning, we usually leave them to it. Obviously inside Garrison, where it was that massive 3 way clusterkitten, we tried so hard to operate independantly, but its difficult when there’s so much lag, so many enemies, etc ^^ so apologies if we’ve ganged up on some of you guys this week, not how we like to play.

We don’t think we grew too much in the higher tier, we think 20-25 is enough to compete (Except against like 40+ ZDs) but we don’t want to adapt to that kind of playstyle anyway. Hoping to see you guys again this week, hopefully with you running similar numbers to us!

And yeah, we were 20 that night I think, with a few friendlies with us ^^

@XxX

We’d had word of Gandara at NW outer of hills, so we pushed out, killed maybe 10, mixture of pugs, I was closest to you guys, saw you, saw you veil and push, so had to shout to my guys on TS to react, was certainly a nerve wracking experience ^^ Hope we see you guys again, maybe with your max numbers of 20, hopefully give us some good fights We are one of the bigger guilds on PS now, running sometimes up to 30 people(although not in the last few weeks), usually its around 20-25.

@XxX

How many did you have when you tired to jump us with veil at Hills in PS BL yesterday? All I remember is seeing you grouped up, seeing a veil go down, and calling the direction to my guys before we’d pushed through, and then had to continue pushing because the rest of the Gandara server had catapults at the far end of the cliff ^^ Be interested to hear what your numbers were. Heard good things about you, so we were a little surprised we didn’t get completely kittened when you caught us by surprise there. We had 20 GG and probably 10 pugs

Great fights in PS BL tonight. Fights vs WvW and Dius early on, SNOW and Hail later on, and even got jumped by XxX, luckily our guys were on hand to updraft you off the cliff surprised by how hard you guys hit for the numbers you run, so should be interesting to fight you again this week. Fought Tohu from AR as well, you logged our zone when most of ours had left unfortunately, but still good fights hopefully more to come!

GG

KinkyWarrior.1879:

AH! GG I knew I forgot someone!

Rookni is actually like that… no jokes.

Hopefully we’ll give you reason to remember us after this week, but we’ll wait and see

Fantastic fights as usual from your guys Eze, some very tough fights in getting you out of SM, you guys certainly improved since we last fought you which is great to see And holy kitten, that fight in AR’s keep, epic job whoever was there working with us to take that, and props to AR for making it so hard for us to take it! Looking forward to more of the same this week

Hey, no mention of us, not feeling the love Gand :’(

Srsly, looking forward to this week, lets have some good fights

Wait, RG are a WvW guild? I thought they were a hardcore RP guild, all those ghost tonics with a Charr commander, I figured it was some strange foefire scene.

Junkpile.7439:

Seems to me that you did try to cheat and invite all big bandwagon guilds.

SFR troll. Don’t feed.

Centrix, the reconnect and try again fix does work sometimes, but we had a member stuck in queues for 3 hours last night, tried multiple reconnects, restarting router etc etc, and it was still 3 hours before he got in. At this stage its just down to ANets buggy queue system that needs a quick hot fix before server communities start to break down.

And yes, you nubs, transfers affect WvW the most, and thus the transfer costs should be based on WvW populations, or queue times. Arena Net has access to that data, and so can implement it. At the end of the day, server communities aren’t built through doing PvE dungeons, they’re built through the interractions of the server in WvW, the commanders and players working together, and getting something out of it. At the minute, these communities are fracturing because of how stupidly the transfer cost has been implemented, leading to big queue times because players want to transfer to winning servers, or wrongly labelled servers.

Piken Square is not a medium population server, it probably has the most active primetime of ANY EU server. Queues are in excess of 3 hours for some now, which is basically all of EU primetime. Anyone trying to transfer here to WvW will be sorely disappointed, as YOU WILL NOT GET IN THE MAP.

Hello, raid leader for GG, on Piken Square here. Just thought I’d give my view on this from last nights action.

We’d decided to go and hit JS BL for the night, and when we arrived in the map, TUP were also forming up. Between the 2 guild raids we had in the map, it totalled maybe 40-50 players. It seemed to us we had maybe 5 non guildies running with each warband, meaning a total of 30 players in the large organised groups on the map, 60 overall. We had a guild member stuck in queues for 3 hours last night, with only a total organised force of 60 on the map. If we add maybe 20 other players idling,/doing their own thing, that still only totals at 80 players on the map. What the hell ANet? You give us numbers like 500 players per map, meaning 166 per server, and there’s only most likely half of that in the zone?! Fix this please. The insane queue times, and not to mention bugged queue system, is fracturing our community, and Piken is one of the only server that plays WvW as it was intended, as guilds.

All of TUP are nubs, and in no way is that view biased…

On topic, nice vid we’ve been thinking of doing something similar to the ending for a while, and you STOLE the idea

Great fights tonight with [Nuke], we were getting bored in EB, so you guys definitely gave us the challenging fights we’d been looking for!

Taija Rae.8504:

I think there’s a lot of drama and overreacting in this thread. I’m on Piken and have played the entire week and weekend and I never wait more than 20 at max for a queue. Piken has slowly been rising rank and sure there will be server hoppers but so what, Piken has a solid community that sticks with the server and it’s also the only European RP server which brings a lot of maturity and a nice atmosphere in Divinity Reach and other cities that other servers don’t have.

Going to an American server is also no option for any serious pvp’er unless you consider fighting tower npc’s while your enemy players aren’t yet home as pvp.

This might be what it appears to be on Piken, but being part of the WvW community, on the forums, contacts in the guild etc, unfortunately most of the WvW guilds that made our server what it is, are leaving the server due to the horrendous Q’s. Without the guild raids, the server itself will fall down the rankings rapidly, and the server community will fall apart. Such a shame, but thats band wagoners for you the damage is done.

Yeah, I’ll agree with Kyus here, please, bring 20-30 to fight our GG raid, not 60+. Until then, neither AR or Gandara can cry about us zerging them. Bad troll.

From last night, we fought 3 distinct groups. A 50-60 group of Gandarans in EB, A 60+ group of AR in EB, and a 50-60 group of constantly respawning AR at the northern BL supply camp. Last week I fought 70+ groups of Gandarans in the Borderlands, and a 70-100 blob of frenchies consisting of LdF + NOM + NA + friendlies. Always outnumbered, at least 3 to 1

Out of curiosity, how many guys did you have in there tonight? :O when we pushed at anza, I’d had tells of maybe 30, but more, and more, and more rendered. Its amusing, because I’d told my guys we were going there looking for outnumbered fights, maybe 20 vs 40, wasn’t expecting the kinds of numbers you guys threw at us ^^ For us tonight its mainly been 20 vs 60, we fought you in EB, then fought an AR blob of 60 in EB at umber for near on 5 minutes, then fought a constantly resapwning AR blob of 50-60 up at the north camp in AR BL for near on 10 minutes. Epic fights. That blob of yours was also more coordinated than the average zerg Eze, so props to you there, firmly handed our kitten to us at the anza vista. GG don’t fall into the same category of most of the other guilds on the server, we formed a few months ago, and only began properly raiding a few weeks ago, so these experiences definitely help us out!

Immolator.5640

EDIT: Also for the person that said they didn’t come across us at 22:00, heh we were well gone by 20:20 GMT, well I was at least, Unrelent and many others stayed to fight, I was the one leading and coordinating is all Commander Jaufan turned up by 9:00pm GMT tho, I don’t know how long he stayed, but he might have been there fighting you guys off

We’ll try and find you guys tomorrow then

Sky.7610:

Careful guys, this might be an “exploit”.

It isn’t an exploit, its using a system in game, the promotion of materials, to gain a profit due to the differences in value of the T4 and T5 material. The market just hasn’t caught up with how valuable platinum is due to this method of conversion.

Immolator.5640:

……. (not sure about GG, they had a fair amount of people, but not sure was just random or not)….

There are a few different guilds on Piken that have the tag GG ^^ only we run full size raids of 20-25 people though. You might have seen a few people that were there waiting to get into AR BL, or some other guild with GG tag. We mostly spent the times you were online in AR BL sadly not much was happening there, and we didn’t face much resistance in capping the entire map heard all the fun was happening in Gand BL, so we moved over there around 22:00, wiped a mass blob of NOM + LdF + NA + friendlies from the frenchies a few times with TUP and HoB, they logged, went looking for some Gandarians, but didn’t encounter groups above 20, guess we were too late

Hope to see you tomorrow anyways!

Did this around 20 days ago when Platinum was 8c and Mithril was 60c, and was getting around a ~70% profit on whatever I spent. For example, I’d buy out 40 stacks of plat for 9g, and I’d make 14-16g on the mithril to sell. Went from 5g to 70g using around maybe 100 skill points. Didn’t realise this method would become this wide spread, and kinda stumbled across it when checking various promotions. Ran out of SP’s, and because this method went downhill after I finished I decided not to go back to it. And I’m glad now, the profit margin has declined rapidly.

Also, to note, from the mass batches I did, I believe the low end of the conversion to be 40 mithril, and the high end to be 200, and it averages at around 75 Mithril over a large enough(20+ stacks) batch.

+1 to this from Piken. Still fondly remember the fights we had, solid WvW community, dedicated, friendly and its great to see you guys are re-organising and trying to push back up to where you should be!

In the above video, yes, Gandara wiped GG, but we were 10, with some friendlies, you were 60-70, kitten happens We were just having a great laugh, and I was loling my kitten off in TS by the end, helplessly trying to continue commanding as I watched us hold this unbelievably large zerg at Bay (see what I did there?) for an hour.

On a side note, there’ve been no MASS transfers to Piken. 2 guilds joined us. We know that Gandara has also acquired some guilds over the course of the previous weeks. As has AR, they acquired LdF and NOM from Fort Ranik. Seriously, that is no different from you guys, so get over yourselves. The majority of our strength is our guild raids getting back into the flow of things, like we told you they would, we did warn you.

Thats at the people already QQ’ing in this thread ^

For the other people that want (hopefully), another week of good fights, I say the same! Even though the points may be a bit on our side, we’ll continue to expect your forces to give us some good challenges over the coming week, as they have done previously ^^

So while I was trying to get the jump on RG with 10 guys, you were busy RP’ing on the walls watching us die? Gee, thanks guys! Haha, this has been a good week, and we’ve had some truly fantastic fights against groups from both servers. Glad we’re heading into another week with you two ^^ +we weren’t playing tonight on Gandara BL, Thursdays is the only night we don’t raid, so whoever you saw were just the people getting their daily fix. We were active in Gandara BL the 4 previous nights though, so maybe you remember us from then See you all next week!

Regards

GG

Had a lot of fun with our GG raid tonight, had some epic fights. Special mention to guilds DL from Gandara, and LdF and NA from AR, you guys gave us the best fights of the night. Had an epic 5 minute fight with DL outside NW Camp, rushed down to the sentry near garrison to push another Gandara zerg, pushed them back, only to have the 40 we’d wiped respawn and push into us, and wipe us hard ^^ And sorry for hitting your flank at inner Hills LdF + NA, you guys had what, 50? Luckily we got in without any of your guys really reacting, because we only had 20. And that fight outside south gate Bay with you two as well? Also epic, thanks to TNTD for the assist on that one, you guys pushed us a lot harder there!

But holding Bay with 20 vs 60-70, for an hour with the 8 remaining GG online with some BOON, TNTD and friendlies was easily the highlight of the night. And special thanks to sIN for capturing that back about 15 minutes after Gand finally took it ^^

More of the same for the rest of this week!

Regards

GG

Thanks to RG for coming to EB for a while, we were getting bored farming the AR zerg, and I’m sure TUP were stuck for options having capped all of Gandara, so it was a welcome challenge You guys hit like trucks, and our wipe near WC was particularly painful, although I still don’t know how we didn’t manage to wipe you near Duri. Good luck to all servers for this week, looking forward to more good fights! o/

Tortun

Hackers in Smug get smacked with the kicking stick… or urrrr boot. Hate exploiting/hacking of any kind… hate hate hate!

+1

Feelings about hackers are mutual between servers. Every server has them, and its every servers responsibility to find them, and deal with them if they can.

Quoting video’s a month old, lol. Member was dealt with a day after that video was released. Please find more credible evidence to back up your accusations next time, otherwise you just get to made to look a fool<3

C’mon, no set prices, make things interesting, lets have a bidding war

Yup, not over till its over. Nice to see our WvW guilds out in force tonight<3

And so the trolling continues. I had made some constructive posts in this thread, compared to last week, trying to deflect it from this kind of outcome, but alas, some people are too dull minded to avert themselves from this kind of petty behaviour. Thats at both sides here, not just Gandara.

All I’ll say, is the only 2 servers to ever really have an issue with Piken Squares forum attitude, was Elona Reach, who have an issue with everyone(the german boards are quite legendary in their trolling from Elona), and now Gandara. The other 18 or so servers we’ve faced had no issues apart from maybe a few reports of bug-using, and hacks, which every thread has. So, its a problem with Piken Square? Does the logic behind that really seem sound, after the facts I just stated? Hmm. And like Wam said, we didn’t have people repeating Gandara’s opinion of us in the WvW thread about favourite opponents. It was about a friendly attitude, skilled guilds, and good community.

Whether Gandara like it or not, and want to continue shouting to the heavans that we’re lowlife dogs, as I think one troll put it, it is not an opinion shared by really anyone else, except a zergy german super server. I’m quite proud of the fact that Piken Square has an excellent community, that continually wants to work together to improve itself. Its how we managed to get from T8/9 to T3 with hardly any recruitment whatsoever. Christmas/New Year hit us a lot harder than we imagined it would, and really only a fool from any of the servers would try and justify saying that everyone was hit equally over the holidays. We’re hoping to recover, regroup and continue where we left off before the Elona week.

If any WvW guilds from either server see GG raiding with a full zerker thief commander, give me a wave o/

Regards

GG

Had fun tonight in PS with our GG raid. Good fights against Gnou, NOM, LDF, SoW from AR, and Dius and YaK from Gandara. Although, Gandara definitely had me worried when I had GG through the outer Hills gate with no defenders around, and suddenly had shouts of 4 golems at south bay. So had to pull the entire raid off of hills siege to go and wipe you guys just as you got to Inner, great fight, more of the same for the rest of this week please You guys got us a few times as well though, so thankfully AFTL came back to help us cap Hills while I had your zerg busy down at Lake/Lowlands.

And, fortunately, didn’t see too much exploiting either, which is great! A few wall jumpers, but their guilds have already been mentioned in this thread, so i won’t throw accusations around.

Regards

GG

PS is still under strength most guilds still not back up to full strength for at least the state of this week. Good luck to all 3 servers