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well best you can do is take a screenshot then :-( If you can’t identify them the Anet can’t do anything. If you do manage to target them right click report and you can get their account ID.

Kakmu.4792:

it weird that i alway read post of qqjade quarry and never read that blackgate hacking in the wall of dreaming bay
i’m form JQ server and i record all the WvW that i do and the other day i saw a elementaliste in the wall attacking all the siege weapon in dreaming bay ….
well you gona ask proof
i will post the video recording that blackgate hacking / exploiding bug to win ….

report it ingame and be done with it. No need to drag the whole server in from the deeds of the few. No sense in dragging it to the forums and ruining a thread with accusations and QQ. It only leads to the thread getting locked so don’t do it.

We decided to make it easier for BG and JQ over the weekend :-D

Good luck to all. Blackgate coming out strong and throwing up nice fights so far. I had lots of fun on Blue borderlands tonight.

Win or lose just fight your best is the key to fun.

hrmm indeed odd. Perhaps driver issues maybe? I get 30 fps and my gfx card is a 6850 on medium settings with shadows off. No clue. My system is custom built and about 2.5 years old

low fps due to your system specs, graphics settings? Most systems get good fps depending on the system. Obviously if you have a lower end system and try to set your gfx to high then your fps are going to suck.

Smokee.1754:

Thanks all for a good game again. It has been a week filled with good fights, and also less QQ on the forums!

3 things I´m going to remember from this week:

1) Our Omega golem fun in EB, and the push we made that night.
2) Finally seeing an enemy guild using the “turtle” – Kudos to [Fire]
3) Loosing RQ as a guild on BG. It is going to take time to recover and re-structure from this.

A special thank goes out to those BG players that on short notice stepped up, and showed both SBI and JQ that Blackgate is far from dead.

See you all for round #3

We definately are looking forward to it. Give it all you got and enjoy the game as much as you can. There are ups and downs but the fun is what matters.

Blade.9317:

Syphen.1980:

Didn’t you guys have some HoD guilds transfer in and power you guys through the tiers? Not saying you don’t deserve to be in T1 but I thought that was what happened.

No. The time when TA dissolved and we gained HoD guilds was right around when we hit Tier 3. Beating two servers with only NA coverage (FA and TC) and then beating two dead servers in our Tier 2 match-up (HoD and ET) could hardly be called powering us to Tier 1. We ended up in Tier 1 so quickly mainly because of lopsided match-ups. We would have ended up here with or without HoD influence. In retrospect I wish our Tier 2 match-up would have been more challenging. That would have better prepared us for Tier 1.

We stomped T2 when we dropped there also as evidenced by my post of matchup history. Note the score between SBI and BG expecialy, And that was a stomp because of coverage. Unfortunately the higher up in tiers you go the better the coverage hence why they are in the tier they are. You either have to just suck it up, recruit, or quit. I hope you pick one of the first two options and make them fight for every inch. Even if you don’t beat them make it fun for yourself if you can.

GekoHayate.2451:

SBI have both been in T1 since the start and have been at this a lot longer than you have.

Didn’t we fight SBI 3-4 weeks before BG hit T1?

And didn’t we fight SBI towards the beginning of the game’s release?

Is there a site with all the previous matchups and final scores compiled (in one location)? It would be interesting to take a look at how far each server has come/fallen over time.

Here is the history -

Week 40 BG was in 8th
Week 41 BG was in 6th SBI was 4th. Score SBI – 327,528 – BG Score 145 617
Week 42 BG was in 7th
Week 43 BG was in 5th Was the Week HoD dropped a tier finally after the breakup
Week 44 BG hit 3rd

Week 40 started on 9-29 to 10-05

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#history for the site

That is as far back as the history on the site that tracks the scores goes. I am sure we fought you guys a few times in the 24 hour matchups but we haven’t seen you except for once after the 1 week matches started untill you showed up the last match.

We did fight you one of those weeks but the score was as lopsided as it is now. BG has never beat SBI in the one week matches. Not boasting just stating facts.

sinister.9216:

I was one of the people hoping for a different matchup this week. I suppose its my own fault for not understanding the rating system. I had just assumed whatever server was #3 moved down a tier so I thought JQ was gonna be swapped out for someone else.

The weekend was fun and we hung in pretty well for the first few days but then the next day I log on and SBI has like a 25k lead. Overnight. Apparently the majority of our late night/early morning crew transferred off.

Still had some fun fights, but it seemed like every time I went to any battleground we were -vastly- outnumbered. Except for EBG of course, which almost always had a queue.

I hope we fight someone different next week. I dont even care who. Just anyone not JQ or SBI. No offense intended, but 2 weeks of the same two opponents just isnt very interesting. I haven’t really played much this week because of it.

Best of luck to everyone next week.

Oh by the way, go see Skyfall. Its pretty awesome.

We have only really ever fought HoD, ET, and JQ ourselves for the most part. You get used to it though.

Didn’t you guys have some HoD guilds transfer in and power you guys through the tiers? Not saying you don’t deserve to be in T1 but I thought that was what happened.

Hammer.7019:

Both SBI and JQQ both crack me up. They both run from even fights or even outnumbering BG by some to wait until they have double or triple the numbers to attack. Then they talk crap about rolling over us even though we have the outnumbered buff pretty much 24/7 now. Just a joke really with how bad many of those players are then they talk kittens about it on these forums saying they are so good. To those who left BG for JQQ and SBI that is pretty low.

ANET please change server xfers to greater than 14 days. Seven days is still to short and it is messing up the matches in every tier.

You crack me up with your crying. You steamrolled every lower tier due to better coverage and then get spanked in T1 and come up with nothing but excuses. Stop making your fellow Blackgate server members look bad by trying to come up with excuses.

SBI have both been in T1 since the start and have been at this a lot longer than you have.

Centrus.3146:

Omg Get over it. These forums are ridiculous. You all had MASSIVE transfers. The SBI population is silly atm. As soon as the 7 day cool downs were announced last week, after the weekend where you guys were loosing badly to both BG and JQ you basically have had 2x the other servers numbers like 20 out of 24 hrs of the day.

Numbers….population….numbers….Population. this is wvw congrats on the status of bandwagon server.

We got to T1 and have been here for a while long before you and without a bandwagon. Remind me again how you made it to T1?

I am on in the daytime and trust me we have little to no euro coverage. The only time we have daytime coverage is if our SEA players pull a all nighter. I have been on SBI since BETA 2 and I know this for a fact. We have always had a good NA primetime pressence and a fairly good SEA pressence.

We recently had some SEA guilds transfer over which gave us an even stronger SEA pressence but we still have little to no euro coverage. If we did do you really think your euro guilds on BG would have been able to cap every single thing during Euro prime time and keep it capped till NA prime time when you lost it again? Maybe our euro guilds took that day off ?

I will not deny we have great SEA coverage and NA coverage but to say we have true 24/7 coverage is ludicrous.

Snow Aeth.1937:

Just want to tell that I’ve been having tons of fun last 2 weeks on Blackgate.
Sure the score might tell that we’r completely stomped and what not.

But there’s plenty of awesome fights to be found.
We can’t cover all maps, but the maps we’r on I’m having a blast.

The dead servers we fought before entering T1 now that was something that got me to not play W3.
Having activity in WvWvW at any given time now that’s just awesome!

Having lower score than SBI or JQ, I really don’t care and to be hones I’m happy that we get to fight in T1 some more because the actual fights are tons of fun.

I think SBI being way too stacked and zerging everything into the ground once the other 2 servers are not in prime time are the ones having least fun right now tbh.

P.S.
To all Blackgate people.
Get out there with ya server mates on the maps that we are on and have some fun with us.
The fights are great, don’t let the score scare you off, it really doesn’t say much about the actual fights.

Now this is a great attitude to have. Hopefully you guys come back stronger than ever next week. I love good fights.

And the only TZ that SBI is stacked in is SEA. We have almost no euro coverage unless our SEA players pull a all nighter. And our primetime numbers aren’t any greater than other servers unless you have no NA pressence at all. (which very well might be the case looking at the current PPT)

zhonnika.1784:

Xyanide.8650:

btw, anyone know this guild in sbi? claim stonemist everyday without any buff. plz, if u read this stop claim it unless you can benefit everyone.

IIRC, this guild was on JQ not too long ago, doing the same thing. We never figured out who it is; hopefully you guys will. I really don’t understand why anyone would want to claim something like SM without buffs…

Because they are either clueless, don’t care, or just want to claim it to see their flag flying and no other reason.

Cifu.9270:

BG put up some great fights today. I havent looked at the rankings so i dont know who will be in T1 next week. I assume sbi and jq, who will be the third?

Unless something major happens it will be SBI , JQ , and BG again next week.

Source : http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA
Tracks matches and uses same ranking system that Anet uses so is fairly accurate.

did the thread get nuked or is it bugged for me

Greiger.7092:

JQ is rocking the outmanned buff as often as not from what I’m seeing. Something happened in the last 2 weeks to us. We went from 4 hour queues to pretty consistent insta-queues. Also half our commanders bail for another map the moment we lose anything significant telling everyone to follow them while claiming it’s ‘strategy’.

Right now I’m half hoping you blackgate’s beat us. Maybe we’ll get knocked to T2. Worked wonders for getting our kitten together last time, maybe it will get it back together again.

Even if they did pull out ahead and beat you it still would not drop you to T2. JQ’s rating is to high right now to drop out of T1 this match. Right now next week is looking like the same matchup.

Blade.9317:

I nominate Smokee for human cloning experiments. We need more commanders like you. The minute you left EB things started going downhill fast. Within an hour we were outmanned and then we got pounced upon.

Ironically our NA coverage is probably the weakest. The server is full but nobody is queuing for WvWvW. That makes me a sad panda.

Unfortunately what happens is when one server gets ahead it becomes demoralizing. This happened a lot with the old HoD.

The thing you have to decide is whether it will defeat you or make you stronger. JQ and SBI have both been through the fire ourselves. Heck our first two matchup threads on guru were way worse than the ones this match. You just have to take your licks and resolve to learn from it and come back stronger. I have faith in you guys (even though a few annoy me) that you will survive the fire.

I did like the video :-D especialy the song and the golem portal bomb

Liquid.9672:

Syphen.1980:

you would have to throw your score the rest of the match and SOS would have to score a lot more to push you out. Your ratings are fairly close but if you keep gaining points they can’t close the gap quick enough. I have been watching the ratings on http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA which uses the same rating system ANET uses to predict next weeks matches.

right now BG is 2,049.038 rating
and SOS is 2,044.519 rating

You’re missing a key thing here. That projected rating is based on BG having 520 PPT as of the last logged score. As we know, it didn’t stay that way, and may only be that way for another 3-4 hours of this match. BG is dropping to #4 on Friday. And as a player on BG, I couldn’t be happier. Next week will likely be a much more enjoyable match.

I realize that is based off of the 520PPT but the ratings do not fluctuate that much unless you get roflstomped. So unless BG has zero point income over the next two days then the chances are the ratings won’t fluctuate quite enough to push you down.

why is it a good thing to drop to 4 and go to tier 2? So you can roflstomp the tier below you or because it will be a close match? Because judging by the point totals in that tier and seeing the PPT at varying times I think you might be suprised at how you will have just as much problem there as you do in T1.

you would have to throw your score the rest of the match and SOS would have to score a lot more to push you out. Your ratings are fairly close but if you keep gaining points they can’t close the gap quick enough. I have been watching the ratings on http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA which uses the same rating system ANET uses to predict next weeks matches.

right now BG is 2,049.038 rating
and SOS is 2,044.519 rating

updated score….

can we puppy talk? And yes score pls. I can’t get in atm :-(

Walay The Brave.6813:

at the meantime i heard we are down to less than 200 ppt and BG is up 400+ … wish i wasnt at work today, wouldve definitely love to fight alongside my servermates… here’s to looking forward to going home tonight and more gameplay hopefully…

Right now it is +425 BG, +190 SBI, +80 JQ

201,146 SBI
131,217 JQ
100,877 BG

Cover Girl.2580:

Lofty.8759:

it’s official, BG is dead. Few major guilds just left, including HB in their Euro timezone.

Great, we killed “Beastgate” (

Well that escalated quickly

I am sad, the Guru thread got locked untill tomorow morning /cry

earendil.1290:

Discussion from the Team chat in SBI, BGBL.

someone – "do we go for BG garrison or for the JQ zerg at Victors ?
Commander – “hmm..Badges or points”
Commander – “lets do badges – fighting JQ is more fun, and we have enough points.”

Definitely 2vs1.

Dangit you found us out and here we where trying to keep it on the down low. Your right we made a pact with JQ to split everything of yours 50/50 just to push you out of T1.

Whew I feel much better now since that is out in the open finally.

Wasabee.5031:

Please take a look at those 2 pictures and let me know what you think?

It would take /map or /world communication for SBI or JQ to watch for which red name tag to kill and which not to touch/kill at the critical moment. (Of course, after Anz’s wall collapsed, JQ disappeared)

2 vs 1 is a normal tactic, even fighting side by side like in those pictures is still a normal war tactic. Dirty tactic or not, it doesn’t really matter because we are at war. Any tactic is valid as long as it brings advantages to your side.

I would respect you guys even more if you admitted like “We together beat the kitten out of you, BG” instead you denied the fact left and right.

Don’t get it wrong, I really enjoyed seeing two servers standing side by side fighting us. It made me felt really good to fight against you.

Winning or losing is not the fact that I care because I enjoy killing any red that I see in front of me. See you later in the battle!

And that picture shows what exactly? JQ and SBI killing each other outside your tower? Because they are attacking each other in that pic. That is a funny definition of coperation. Now if they were standing there not attacking each other and seiging you instead that might lend some creedance to your claim. Or maybe if they were sitting around a fire singing camp songs even.

This argument sounds oh to familiar back when SBI and HoD were in an alliance to 2v1 JQ. Good times were had by all :-D

Thanks. I was panicing there for a minute.

Willywho.9460:

I’m actually very surprised on how SBI is acting on the fourms here, you are clearly the top server ATM, but boy are you stooping to the level of all the trolls and complainers. I read through these pages and it’s comment after comment of trash talk from SBI. I don’t understand it, show some class SBI.. Your number 1.

I fall for the bait sometimes myself :-( I am trying to get better at just ignoring them but it is hard when they push buttons so well. Ah well live and learn.

Alsonia.4753:

Bandwagon servers are the worst; SBI, JQ enjoy assblasting SoS next week.

It is what it is. We may or may not win that match when it comes but you can be kitten sure we will do our best and die trying.

Current score.

will be even more fun when they get here :-D We fight to win but fight for fun also and love a challenge.

I don’t necesarrily think JQ is shooting for second I think it is mostly a coverage issue now and seems like people quit playing or gave up. Last week we couldn’t hold the lead in PPT during the daytime of the week and today it seems like the other servers just aren’t even there. So either some massive euro guilds transfered in and I don’t know about it or something is up with the other two servers logging in and giving it a shot.

They might have but hey even if they transfer to another T1 server then whenever that server doesn’t win they will jump ship again and things can go back to normal. The true core of the server will still remain strong.

Bambam.3961:

First off I would like to say that Tier 1 has been fun the past week and a half.

For those who are saying that BG just isn’t ready for Tier 1, I ask why? We dominate tier 2 all the time, sometimes holding both opponents to less than 10,000 in a whole week.

Sorry in advance for the long winded message but I think this sums stuff up pretty well.

Snow Aeth.1937 pretty much summed it up a few posts earlier also.

I wouldn’t say you guys aren’t ready for T1 but it is a completely different beast. I know back in the HoD days when we dropped to T2 we slaughtered and massacred. Then when we moved back up to T1 it was a tossup between us JQ and ET.

T1 is not necesarrily about better strats although that plays a huge part in it but T1 has better coverage in different timezones so it tends to be a lot more competitive. That and NA primetime is brutal for all servers since pops are relitivly even.

You just have to pick yourself up and make due with when you do have the coverage, take advantage of other servers lack of coverage in a TZ to close the gap as much as you can. If you do 10X better in the TZ’s you do have coverage in you can minimize the domination in the ones you don’t

T1 is definately a humbling experience but it is a good one if you take and learn. The first time we fought JQ in T1 with HoD they earned the monniker JQQ because of the forum whining here much like a few vocal members of BG are doing this round. JQ however took there beating and came back stronger than ever afterwards. Now they command great respect from us because they have proven they can take what they are handed and make the best of it and not complain.

The chest thumping prior to entering T1 and even during the first week did set the tone for a lack of respect from the guilds that have been in T1 from the start. It almost was a challenge of come and beat us senseless we can beat you 2v1 and that is what happened. The thought was here is this up and coming server that thinks they are hot stuff and are the next HoD and that made us in T1 want to slap you like a red headed step child even more. The boasting was writing checks you couldn’t cash. If you notice SBI and JQ for the most part don’t boast about being the best they just play their hearts out and congralute the other on a fight well done.

The trick to T1 is suck it up and have fun :-D. I definately wish Beastgate the best of luck and maybe this experience will lose you some of the bandwagoners and whiners and you can rebuild a stronger presence than ever. Great match all around this week though at least during NA primetime.

@Decrypter It could be guild golems. I know we havea few of those stocked up in my guild. course then again they could have farmed that much gold to have that many.

Snow Aeth.1937:

Great job to all 3 servers.
You are all amazing allies/opponents.

I had tons of awesome fights this and last week and I’m sure there are more to come.

SNIP….

This post is meant as a compliment to all 3 servers for their amazing fights.
As a little background story of where Blackgate came from.
As a call to arms to anyone on Beastgate.
And as an invite to Blackgate for those that are serious about W3 and like to take the role of the challenger rather than the champion.

Trimmed the post so it didn’t copy and paste the whole thing but this is very well said and I admire you for saying it. Stay strong.

during the week its instant for the most part except maybe NA primetime

SBI had massive queues on reset day but it hasn’t been to bad since. I think the queues are only really really nasty for the first 24 hours and then they are 20-30 mins at most. At least on SBI.

Reset night I sat in queue for 2 hours before giving up lol.

Yadad.6925:

I have to agree with one of the posts earlier that it does get boring fighting the same servers over and over especially when you have SBI & BG never attacking each other.

It should be more of a random match up so these alliances aren’t as effective.

There aren’t any alliances between servers real or imagined so please drop this.

Zenyatoo.4059:

Syphen.1980:

Zenyatoo.4059:

Syphen.1980:

Ah the old lapdog claims start. I remember those fondly during the matchup between HoD, JQ, and SBI. I think if I remember right SBI was HoD’s lapdogs at that time. Good times and good meals. I really wish Anet would ban the blatent trolls that post this crap about 2v1 and lapdogs as it is getting really really old.

Is it old? Heck yes. I just like the word lapdog because it reminds me of Old king from ACFA. That guy was sweet.

The story I posted was mostly an attempt at humor. But it doesnt actually change the situation. JQ blatantly ignored SBI land holdings, including an undefended keep, and instead hid inside the bay, only poking out to come take BG supply camps. For all their big talk of “if its red it’s dead” and “We’re gonna fight everyone” they certainly werent ;p

I wouldnt have posted it if I wasnt honestly curious though. There is, as far as I can tell, no logical reason to have done what those JQ players did. You can tell by the screenshot that it isnt specifically one guild, which means a group of JQ players, a rather large group, all did the exact same very illogical thing. I’d be more than interested in hearing their explanation of why they went and did what they did. Because it seems to be flying in the face of any conventional tactics. Why ignore an unguarded keep or unguarded tower? Why ignore the camps when SBI holds them, but not when BG does? The only reason I can think of is that they were specifically gunning for BG, when BG is in last place, and clearly not the biggest threat on the map.

I can garuntee you an SBI keep is never undefended and I am from SBI. If you attack one of our keeps we will respond in force. We have gotten a lot better at response times recently. Sure sometimes we don’t respond with enough but we will respond very quickly. If you think you are ever going to get an easy quick undefended keep if we have people on the map you are mistaken.

I dunno, JQ had the entire top half of the map for a good hour or so. I struggle to believe they couldnt build say 3 golems, and portal over to the keep and take it. As far as I could tell SBI didnt have incredible numbers on the borderlands. Most, if not all of their forces were over near redbriar. At the very least the scenario would play out like this

JQ attack keep -> JQ takes keep before SBI can react
or
JQ attacks keep -> SBI reacts -> BG takes redbriar (as SBI leaves to go defend their keep) -> BG moves onto greenlake (not gonna be able to take the bay without way more supply than what we’d have) -> SBI now finds their keep in a pincer. To get to the keep they’d need to pass through the BG zerg. So anyone who dies in the keep stays dead. -> JQ would eventually take the keep, or BG would eventually take the tower (as good as SBI might be, against both BG and JQ? I dont think you could hold both objectives. It’s just sheer numbers at that point) -> Whichever one is captured means JQ wins overall, as then they can back off resupply and attack the keep again, or if they already own the keep they can then head south from either side of the map to continue pressing the invaders.

Despite reactions times from SBI, JQ essentially threw their hands in the air and went “kittenit we dont want this keep at all” and gave up. I struggle to believe that after an hour of holding 3 supply camps JQ didnt even put up a single treb in order to prepare to take SBI stuff.

Depends on the keep really. Some of the keeps are very easy to defend if seiged up propperly and withstand a ridiculous amount of punishment. If you have enough siege you can hold a keep eaisily against a huge zerg even with a skeleton crew.

Actualy the reason they skip keeps to take supply camps is called Tick capping. basically you go and cap a supply camp right before the tick to get the points for it and after that you couldn’t care less about it. This is a very common tactic and used to easily gain quick points.

If you cap 5 supply camps a minute before the tick then guess what you just gained yourself a lot of points that tick and denied your enemy the same.

Zenyatoo.4059:

Syphen.1980:

Ah the old lapdog claims start. I remember those fondly during the matchup between HoD, JQ, and SBI. I think if I remember right SBI was HoD’s lapdogs at that time. Good times and good meals. I really wish Anet would ban the blatent trolls that post this crap about 2v1 and lapdogs as it is getting really really old.

Is it old? Heck yes. I just like the word lapdog because it reminds me of Old king from ACFA. That guy was sweet.

The story I posted was mostly an attempt at humor. But it doesnt actually change the situation. JQ blatantly ignored SBI land holdings, including an undefended keep, and instead hid inside the bay, only poking out to come take BG supply camps. For all their big talk of “if its red it’s dead” and “We’re gonna fight everyone” they certainly werent ;p

I wouldnt have posted it if I wasnt honestly curious though. There is, as far as I can tell, no logical reason to have done what those JQ players did. You can tell by the screenshot that it isnt specifically one guild, which means a group of JQ players, a rather large group, all did the exact same very illogical thing. I’d be more than interested in hearing their explanation of why they went and did what they did. Because it seems to be flying in the face of any conventional tactics. Why ignore an unguarded keep or unguarded tower? Why ignore the camps when SBI holds them, but not when BG does? The only reason I can think of is that they were specifically gunning for BG, when BG is in last place, and clearly not the biggest threat on the map.

I can garuntee you an SBI keep is never undefended and I am from SBI. If you attack one of our keeps we will respond in force. We have gotten a lot better at response times recently. Sure sometimes we don’t respond with enough but we will respond very quickly. If you think you are ever going to get an easy quick undefended keep if we have people on the map you are mistaken.

Arani.9057:

hey a little off topic, but for reals anyone have current score?

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA is 3 hours old and I am family timing it up today.

here is the current score.

I can’t purchase items from the gem store. I have the gems but clicking confirm does nothing. I am trying to purchase transmutation stones.

and meanwhile blackgate will take both of our holdings and take the lead :-D Yay strategy.

I swear the vocal minority on Blackgate is starting to sound like JQQ 2.0. At least JQ has earned the respect they deserve and lost that monniker after the first matchup with HoD and SBI in T1 and now are well respected. I can only hope you can shed your new monniker because of all your whining and cries of 2v1. This is the exact same crap that was spouted in that match that earned them that short lived nickname.

To those on BG not whining and actualy fighting I salute you.

News flash 2v1 happens everywhere thats what you get in a 3 server war. If you are attacking JQ and we take stuff from them at the same time we are 2v1 them. If they are attacking you and we take your stuff its 2v1 against you. If you are attacking us and JQ takes our stuff you are 2v1 against us. Do you see how this works yet or is it to complicated?

In short unless one of the two servers sits on their but and does nothing then it will always be 2v1 against someone.