Guild Wars 2

Thats for melee classes for as ranged it would be different/ But since the topic of thieves and warrior is up might as well keep it that way. right?

Lmao as i said in post this is not theory craft. and for controlI actually have 3
1 DS fear
1 Minion charge that can knock down Everybody thats in line
1 Fear when i start to revive.
So what about no control?
AS well as immobilzation blind/Chill – not so much control but good aspects of controlling 1 target.
Damage Mitigation? IS this a tank build? I think not. I dont need plague.

And actually its 36 Sec cd :P. You obvisouly dont read thouroughly enough.
Really i miss burst than im on cd… ERRRRRRRRR Wrong.
I utilize my spells correctly, I miss a burst oh well sit on wells till they go away -5 seconds gone. Fear enemy class away 1-sec
Weapon Swap To a chill -6 sec of kiting
Cripple with unholy feast – 5 sec cripple kitting.
-DS to Sorb till either heal is back or To chill again- thats nother 5 sec
Weapon swap by this time dark pact is up *4 sec immobilze
Blind- 1-3 sec
Ds should be back up in a few seconds – so 1-2 sec down time of running/rolling
Fear – 1s
Well cd backup.

Well theyre 3 viable builds for tourney play(conditon/power/Tank), and YES! the bugs need to be fixed. My only Fear is when Close to Death is buffed up to 20% like what the tooltip says. Power Necros will get a nerf.
Im glad to see someone that Doesnt agree with something , Then Doesn’t instantly bashs on them.

Well 1v1s are all up to the player. Thought everybody will win some, everybody will lose some.
Ive lost plenty amount of 1v1s, and ive won plenty amount of 1v1s.
Key thing is to understand what that class did, Play around it and try again, its the only way to get better at utilizing your class.
As for thieves they usually just do the same thing not all But most. “hehe i go stealth then pop haste and LOLOLOLOL”. which can be easily countered.

+1 for humor :P

Read the rest of the Thread please. Weapon sigils have been changed. Well of darkness yes it is a good well. But offers no damage/Boon removal. Only blinds. They are squishy when they want to nuke you. Its not hard to roll away form black powder so everything isnt missed. Thieves are tough opponents. And it all depends on what they bring and what they utilize in there stats ( power/toughness/hp/crit etc..). Everyclass has a stun break. And its honestly not hard to beat a thief/get him off you when hes bursting.
AS for Eles.. Yeah they burst but can also be nuked really quick. And yes i have versed good eles. But There burst is down all they can do is heal and if you read the overlook. What attunement they are in is the key thing To look for. But it comes down to whose the better player.
Necros offer control. Necro can offer heals (if traited of course Not saying its a as good as an ele). And if a ele wants to do something other than Burst heal hes got to bring a staff.

And to your last comment. Just shame on you. Yes there are bugs and traits are messed up and AI. But that doesnt mean a total remake. Even though some say necros are fighting an “uphill battle” I have no problem in tourneys.

Maybe you do, Maybe you dont. I utilize my class very well. And im not just some thief spamming Pistol whip or deathblossom or even heartseeker. Utilizing skills in team fights are key. For Ex. ele goes in to burst, some one stun breaks and dodges. Then You could switch focus to ele, wait till he pops mist switch to another, and when mist is down insta gib. Eles only have 14k helath or so including light armor. So they are a very good dps/supp class, But a proper team can put an end to that.

Lol….. you sir… Just you…

And So according to you a thieves burst is getting in the fight and tis part of their utility. What about their squishyness…? For example. They send what 4 players to mid. and ones a thief. How is he gonna do anything if i well on the target YOU are focusing . and blind /chill you?? make any sense. Maybe not because you’d probably be dead by than. Saying “wtf happend. Oh i must have been lagging.”

Pistol Whip – 10k
Heartseeker – 8k
Hundred Blades – 19k
Crossfire 8k

Pistol whip Spam hits for about that not including crit. Not just 1 pistol whip.
Heartseeker hits for 6.7 k the fist 1-2 hits As crit.
100 Blades full channel multiplier hits for about 16-19k
Corssfire is 10-14k in an overall whole buff duration.

Necros dont have instagibs. But what we do have is the use of our spells properly to stop this.
IE. warrior pops signet of rage. Spinal shiver… Elite gone.
IE. Ranger pops beast within… " "
IE we have no said “burst” unless spec’d power, As conditionmancer your job is to be out side the fight/assisting team. Not in said fight so you can get gibd.

“but its really circumstantial”

Yes people may say that but Think of team comps. A thief, Mesmer,tank engi, Ele, Necro
Thief is condition, Mesmeer is power/crit/toughness Engi is Tank/Healing, Ele is roamer, And a power necro. That team put my build into good use.
I do not imply what everybody on thiskittenforum thinks, that I run with all power/crit people. Because that would be stupid A.F. On that team i was the only pure power/crit and it did pay off.

Nemiros.3590:

Hey tony! i remember that fight, i was that necro! lol. yeah it was a nice build, but its really circumstantial. i was trying to mantain clock and really couldnt move out of your wells since it has pretty much the circumference of the node. i do like your build, precisely for bunkering clock, but i dont think it would have worked on another node since i really wouldnt have stayed in there. just my two cents. i would like to see your build, it has a lot of defence, and my warrior commented he couldnt beet you in mansion. but just so you can imporve your build maybe you should invest in some more ranged dmg? i really wouldnt have stayed inside the well in any other circumstance

Lol glad too see you on the forums. Well that build isnt about bunkering, and indeed you were a good fight.
But it can be a bunker build to 1v1 – 1v2 fights. IT has alot of utility on Any one of the tourney maps. They can either send me solo to your point or ours to defend inc while a of more mobility class (ele usually) roams. It has good team fight potential because if with the right classes ( Lots of combo blasts) Area blindness all around.
IN all its a real all-around build in my eyes.
I have a guide on this forum [Comprehensive] [Tpvp] Power necro: people think they suck….
Take a look.. I dont tell you all my tips though but indeed its the general overview

“Thief utility is their speed and burst. They can steal mobs better than any other class and solo cap better than any other class. You’re only role in that build is to sit off by yourself and solo defend a point and you dont even do that well as you can’t even keep someone off the point. A thief has the speed to help at a mid point and return to defend an outer point in time, necro doesn’t. Warriors bring huge aoe burst, cc and stability, what do you bring? single target average at best dps that requires the target to stand in ground circles that aren’t ground targeted, while being susceptible to cc, no stability and limited ability to lock down target.”

You sir dont simply understand. You think this build holds points?……. Yeah matter fact i hold The agressive point A.k.A There point. ANd yea thief has mobility, and i dont. But though mobility is good i have a 10 sec Swift buff as well. Thief is best node taker mykitten Ive had plenty of “good” thieves. And when i mean good i mean good. Try to ttake their node back from me and i end up on top. Pffft single target dps? Why the heck are u not reading all of what i say. ANd just point out one thing. Wells are aoe dmg. So when i fight at a mid-point I watch the fight carefully, If a focus is out of place switch targets, If a maority of there team is melee. I well on node and life transfer. PLease you just dont know what your doing. Coming here backing up thief likes it s your main class. And if it is. You should probably get off this forum.
lol Yes they can steal but a good team can easisly just send me ( matter in fact anyone) to stop a steal. Not everyone is a baddie. But to your coordination they are. To get a steal you have to walk the back side of Mine/henge. Really easy to see comign with a turn of the camera. And all it does is delay the buff. Huge aoe burst? 100 blades aoe burst? when did that happen….
I dont neeed to lock-down anyone for necros only have 2-3 cc options. A well played necro utilizes things well. Which you simply just dont understand.
Maybe ill see you in a tourney and prove you wrong otherwise, i wish i could stream on my laptop so you could see. But till then i dont want to read it.

Thieves have medium armor.. IF i posted my Dmg out put on medium golem. I would instantly get hated on. For one combo hits for 25k. Insta gib thief.

We won because he tried to bunker mid an I took point to win in khylo. While my team was 4v4 at windmill to keep it neutral. He commented that I have a nice build. So in my own eyes it’s viable

Yea my laptop can’t handle video recording. I wish I could show you with visuals. But for example I versed a good condition mancer, my team was having to 2v1 him just to secure it. But when I went against him I destroyed him and even in 2v2s we would destroy him. So yes condition is a viable spec, but so are others if played right.

Yea the 1v1 part is the main point of the build. Do you think Im going to tell you all of the tricks of the trade…no. So when I team fight there’s a bunch of different things
goin on that I don’t explain in this guide, and what circumstance to other said burst class brings to the fight. They are all single target burst so if you would gladly be more descriptive next time you come on here assuming things that would be helpful to your side. Thieves offer no utility to team fights besides an aoe stealth and single target dmg. Warriors bring only burst/(maybe war banner)/ and a stability stomp. Dmg eked bring single target burst and support eles bring heals. Meanders bring chaos storm and single target burst/Moa bird/time warp. Guardans bring knock backs/heals/utility at the cost of burst. Engineers either bring tankyness/single-target burst/ape knock back. Rangers bring single target burst/condition dmg. And for necros they bring conditions/aoe burst/ single target burst/ fear/boon removal. So what exactly am I missing here.
Bunkers are bunkers and a tank spec necro can bunker. So please be more descriptive

What do you want to do with your necro? Spvp? Tourney play? pve?

However with that being said, it doesn’t measure up to the other classes
You should be able to show those classes up if played correctly

@Bag.6279

I dont understand why you say that. IM perfectly fine in tourneys.
Im to tired/drinking to write you a full response.
But in other words. You can say were mediocre to other classes. But you not understanding that when there burst/initiave are down (mainly thievs and warriors i assume your talking about). They are useless. As for necros we have many skills to keep are damage up. and other spells to remove boons/2 spells to remove condition/ and stack vulnerability. (for using my build).

@Kindran.1896

Buddy buddy. You dont need to follow everything i say. What i mean by what i said. Which is difficult to write. So let me make it clear for you. Dark Pact→Drop both wells.→Half way through immobilzation (while auto attacking Doesnt have to be a complete chain, But you will complete 2 chains in said combo maybe more.)→ Flesh Golem Charge→Auto attack

confused??…….

@Angry Flying Squirrel.3041

Choppier than xplitt … So sadly to say i cant stream but whenever i do have an opportunity to i Will, and i will post in guide.

@Kindran.1896

Your not utilizing your immobilization. When the Immobilization is about to run out Flesh Charge them. Its a secure Knockdown (without being evaded). Just flesh Golem charge before the immobile is out. and it works Hope that helps

Lmao?

Did you even Read for all you haters
ALL NUMBERS are calculated on HEAVY GOLEM…… SO with that in mind thats a thief 1 shot. thats a mesmer 1 shot. please please dont comment if your gonna hate. I play my build well and i have no problem “scaling to other classes”… Sadly to say my laptop cannot stream for its to choppy. But JUST PLEASE. If your gonna hate leave this thread. Because i know how to play against said “other classes that scale better”. And i do beat them….
Bet you didnt even read half of it.
18k With lowest number of AVG even lowest crit AVG ON HEAVY GOLEM….
Just read dude… all that i got to say. Now if you be so kindly to post a thiefs burst on this thread.. Go for it. For it is a 40% chance to miss part of there burst. And for a 100 Blades. its about a 50/50 depending if you noob stomping or not.

Tired of people trashing builds that they havent even mastered to play yet.
Do you see me trashing on anyone’s post. No So step out my thread plz.

Good written guide, but a few pointers, I see that DS has perks. But what’s the main point behind it? Aggressive/conditions/tank? And also inquiring about tourney play, are u holding nodes/roaming/ offensive node holding?
Never doubt an ele since you say there easy, you probably haven’t faced a good one.
And when fighting another necro. Purging doesn’t win fights , if the other necro is smart he’s going to instantly stop your life transfer, plus sorb you r ds damage with his.

No weapon swap? A dagger in the off hand plus good timing to see you heal is on cool downs can get said stacks of vulnerability applied to you, if his weapon swap has a focus, there goes might stacks, and fury/ protection.

So what the looks. Of it this is a DS centric build??, try traiting more power/crit/ life force. I would trait less draining of life force/cd/ and stability

Just my opinion I do like it though, but next time go more in depth of weapons.

Why thank you.
To what is on my guide yes it is a lot of info.
But not the tricks of the trade, those you will need to learn to become a good necro.

Your damage from your bleed shown on your screen. And he will see his damage on his screen with said 2 bleed stack.
This is my educated guess.

I cant lose that stun break. Just cant.
Stun break helps me out in so many situations.
Only time i use spec walk is when on treb if our team has me on treb.

Yea, But i have to pay for more than 30 sec of recording. Any idea around that? Or should i just post 30 second clips lol

@Angry Flying Squirrel.3041

Ok that clarify s somethings up lol. Yes to that extent we are UP. But A.net doesnt tell us when they fix us !!!!!

For minion control. Click target you want minions to attack. Press 1 on said target. TO stop minion attack. De-click target- Press 1

I wish i knew a program that wouldnt chop up my Gw2 when recording. If you or anyone else have any idea im up for grabs. To post videos/Ways to play i would love to do that. But my laptop gets pooped on by xsplitt.

Just did that to my guide

Well yes Bugged but not underpowered. Not once I have faced a good player and said.. Dang I’m underpowered. And yes I have versed good player ie. moist from [PS] Backbeard 100 blades warrior 99% tourney win (according what is stated on his stream), team [ac] team [PS] Team legacy. I have versed the so called best and have been beaten as a team. But not once has underpowered ever crossed my head

I’m still using sigil of blood and offhand is your preference. I’m still deciding between 5%crit:/5%dmg/ and sigil of leeching. My original build is with leeching.

@kKagari.6804

Enfeebling Blood does nothing to stop burst….

@Angry Flying Squirrel.3041

If your running the traditional sceptar+dagger build. Best thing to do is try to fear the crosssfire mid duration, to a dealthy swarm to transfer, let him stack again heal and continue to do your conditions. My best opinion on beating them. And as well Gap close to be in his face while manuvering so he misses.

Thats your best bet as a conditionmancer.

……. Not everybody traits curses.

F.Y.I Link doesnt work. And thank you for posting a different option. As soon as i decide to swtich specs i will write another comprehensvie guide for condition/tank/Minion master.

Are you doing spvp?

Theres no class doing it “better”. Every class has there differences.
Dont be like necro is U.P Because were not.
Classes who do it better… is not the class its the player.

Oh gotcha understood.

yeah it makes them take full well damage. while knocked down + a extra 1.2-1.7k hit

Not comparable to other classes?

While When i use wells i reap no benefits from standing in them.
Other profs yes put of more dmg. But they can be shutdown easier than me. IM not here to take hits. and tank specs are easily overrated.
Good players can kill tanks.
Necros have too many boon removals and condition transfers not to be up there with other classes.
And you can always change amulet to be more tanky.

Konrad………………
just … When i play a tourney.. yeah people under estimate me. Then i poop on thier face. Doesnt matter what spec they go. I still sit on them. Even tank engis and bunkers.
YOU need to learn to play your necro class properly before you come bashing on someone.

Tony.2150 – post would be correct if the last trait in the SR line would give you stability while in DS not for just 3 seconds, since hard cc makes it pretty useless since you are stuck and cant use CC breaks half the time since depending on CC, the go out of DS button will/will not go on cooldown as your other skills.

I do not under stand where u got stability out of what i said. Not once did i quote stability.

3 Different main Tpvp builds.
Conditionmancer- Support/Over-time sustained Damage. good for team utility
Power Necro- Aggresive playstyle, the 1v1 killer, Team burst with (area blindness/blind/leeching bolts) Dark Combo-field
Tank Necro- Bunker/No damage. If specc’d right 2 different ways you could do this. IE Minion Master MM or Well tank/healingpower necro

I myself is a power necro i wrote a comprehensive guide to play necro.
Also for the use of deathshroud i have posted on a thread that explains what all DS skills should be used for/as.

@ LastDay.3524
Vs combo: Deathly swarm, Enfeebling blood, Dark Pact, Well of Suffering( because it ticks 7 times), Well of Corruption, 1 Full auto attack combo, Flesh golem Charge, full auto Combo, DS fear.

I cant edit right now. But i will state again. Chill of death does not slow down auto attack speed. Tested on golems and Lord/chief/svanir. If you have a good video recording thing for free link to me and i will post video THAT attack speed is not reduced.

I do not know if this was updated in OP Focus recharge Is fixed in spite tree.
Spinal shiver tooltip still bugged though. Cooldowns are good

Well in my opinion your not specificying what the build wants to do.
For ie
Power-Aggrsive play/killing people
Condition- supporting teammates while dottign up

But if you want to tank with wells its purty op if you spec into ots of healign powr/tough/vit and have 30 in blood magic to pulse wells. If you play correctly you just wont die.

Did i break it?

I think so

Dont fear until he fears.