Guild Wars 2

Jungle spider doesn’t stun, It immobilizes. I found this out last night when trying to stop a stomp. I saw the purple chains and said “kitten it Anet.”
Better option would be an eagle for dps, or a owl for the slowing.

I have this underwater superiority build, and this build I lovingly call “trapvasion”

Tripp.9862:

works hard scilly? there’s nothing hard about taking the entire map when the other two teams are offline. there’s nothing hard about sitting on a cushy double secondplace score for an entire week. there’s nothing hard about keeping that double the next place score when one or both of the other servers just give up.

and i say that knowing full well, that blackgate suffered from that easy mode halfway through our match last matchup. we took first place and then got an obscene lead because fortaspen essentially gave up(as a whole, there were still some dedicated guys trying to make a comeback the rest of the match). that’s not fun, it’s not challenging, and it just ruins what wvwvw should be.

Me also. I was on dragonbrand, the third server in that match up. At one point they were so bored they camped our mystwrought vault, and Parts of OS

Okay, then i can look past your poor english. But, as i’ve stated, its a 1s bleed reapplied over 20s. Its better than a 20int bleed.

azizul.8469:

uuuuuu….. now names calling are we, genius ?

When you don’t understand a simple concept that’s been explained to you multiple times, and when you argue when provided an explanation to a question you asked. Yes, that makes you an idiot. Oh, and as a side note, I really, really hope your not from the USA

Look at the page I linked

It applies the bleed over 20 seconds. It’s not a 20 intensity bleed, thats insanely powerful, but rather 1s bleed reapplied every one second.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Entangle

Rangers are resourceful!

faytte.1057:

One Nerf, to our best damaging ability, to our only good weapon for DPS does ruin our class.

Our Melee weapons do terrible damag.e
Longbow does terrible damage.

I’m not comparing these in a vaccum to other ranger powers, but to other classes. If you think SB auto attack was bad, have you seen rifle auto attack? While it does its physical damage slower, it has a 6 second bleed without position requirements, and its 2-3 abilities are fantastic for dps. And of course anyone in their right minds would trade pets for adrenaline and kill shot.

You can’t look at 1 or 2 abilites in a vacuum, once they quicken up our pets, and fix some of the bugs, we’ll be great.

Kerri Knight.3168:

Tsohg.1798:

Ignoring the nerf, we are still perfectly viable.

Well, at least you readily admit your are dismissing the facts to come to that conclusion.

…so there’s that.

One nerf, to one skill, in one weapon, does not destroy a class.
And from what i’ve seen, its a bug, and they’re looking into it.

Kerri Knight.3168:

the .40ms nerf isn’t really much of a big deal, you lose one bleed.

.04 or 40 milliseconds out of an attack speed of .5 is an 8% increase in delay or a 7.75% decrease in output.

One bleed out of 6 is 16.67%.

You can reference how it is “just 40ms” or “just one bleed” but only if you entirely ignore the reference values.

Ignoring the nerf, we are still perfectly viable.

Kirito.3591:

so for the entirety of this thread you have NOT be advocating the use of melee weapons as the main source of dmg instead of being primarily ranged?

I have been advocating that every build and playstyle is usable, and that I PERSONALLY enjoy using melee/ranged mixture. What this thread was first about was the fact that everyone that is screaming about how bad rangers are aren’t quite right, and it’s been apparent throughout this thread that some people have the wrong ideas, and some people have proven points. Rangers as a whole need polishing, were a bit buggy, and our pets can sometimes have slow reaction times. That does not mean we can’t be good with what were given, and that we shouldn’t all want to be the same.

mouse.1689:

Lot of misconceptions in this thread:

• The OP seems to be coming from a standpoint of PvE. And from that standpoint, yes, Ranger is viable. So is anything else, because open world PvE is a joke.

I’m talking about everything. Pvp and pve are different. In pvp I run a tankier build using shortbow/GS, that focuses on traps and staying alive, using snowy owl and Black widow.
Me and this Bunker guardian went tow to tow for like 3-4 minutes before the rest of my team swarmed in.

Kirito.3591:

Tsohg.1798:

Kirito.3591:

Informer.5213:

Rangers aren’t specifically range attackers. The term “Ranger” comes from the verb “range”, which means, generally, “to wander”.

Or, from Dictionary.com: To pass over or through (an area or region) in all directions, as in exploring or searching: “They ranged the entire countryside.”

So, thinking Rangers are specifically a ranged class is completely wrong. Thanks, try again.

How about we quote the Creators of the game?

Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/

yup… unparalleled… totally

oh and looking at the full blurb

Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.

No where does it say melee or CQC. It emphasizes RANGED COMBAT via BOWS!

Last part. Rangers can adapt to any situation. Like picking a sword up and using it effectively.

except… what you’ve been saying is that people should not be focusing on the ranged aspect, which is the big selling point to the ranger, especially as it’s described by the creators of the game.

Yes adapting to the situation indicates that the use of the other items are purely situational, ie not often. Nerfing the ranged aspect for a “Unparalleled archer,” whose only ranged weapons are bows, so they are forced to re-spec/build for CQC is unbelievably stupid. It’s like saying, “hey, I know you’re really good at cooking, so much better than you are a musician, but I’m going to have you be our lead guitarist anyways.”

So, who exactly is forcing you to play a melee ranger? Is the anet mafia in your house putting hand clamps on your mouse hand and threatening to kill your family if you don’t use a greatsword? You have 3 ranged options. the .40ms nerf isn’t really much of a big deal, you lose one bleed. It happens. There are a host of viable options, Rangers are a very flexible class with a lot of different options. Just because some people want to pretend that their way is the best doesn’t mean its true. That isn’t how the game works.

“You got a nice house here, shame to see it burn down, See, we won’t use this here kerosene if you just go ahead and use this here greatsword.”
Seriously?

Kirito.3591:

Informer.5213:

Rangers aren’t specifically range attackers. The term “Ranger” comes from the verb “range”, which means, generally, “to wander”.

Or, from Dictionary.com: To pass over or through (an area or region) in all directions, as in exploring or searching: “They ranged the entire countryside.”

So, thinking Rangers are specifically a ranged class is completely wrong. Thanks, try again.

How about we quote the Creators of the game?

Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/

yup… unparalleled… totally

oh and looking at the full blurb

Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.

No where does it say melee or CQC. It emphasizes RANGED COMBAT via BOWS!

Last part. Rangers can adapt to any situation. Like picking a sword up and using it effectively.

Levetty.1279:

So all the hardcore dungeon and tPvP guilds who have had plenty of time to practice with every class and min max the hell out of everything and both decided that Rangers are useless are wrong but you managed to find the secret to making them good?

Sounds legit.

Is it even possible to min/max in a game that has so much variance in just one class? let alone 8

Levetty.1279:

I hate when people who have no idea how the game works or what other classes can do makes a thread saying that an obviously UP class is fine.

having fun playing it =/= effective class

I hate it when people who think they understand how the game works or what other classes can do makes a reply saying that despite some bugs, a perfectly good class with a lot of unique traits and abilities is UP

Remz.9083:

Also the ranger should have a higher DPS because they don’t have real utility skills to break out of combat. Almost all classes get a skill to boost their movement speed to get away, rangers only have a 10% passive boost, which doesn’t help in combat.

Then you don’t use your tools effectively.
Frost trap, -66% movement speed.
Spike trap, cripples
Longbow 4. knockback.
Dog pet, imob
Snowy owl. chill
axe 3 chill
SB 3 evade backwards+swiftness/doesn’t need to be facing target. Run away and hit that button.Get an awesome animation of you jumping up, twisting in midair and shooting an arrow behind you.
Dagger 5, ranged cripple.
warhorn 5 15s Swiftness,might,fury
Lightening reflexes, evade back, gain 100% endurance regain, do damage.
GS 5 Hilt bash, dazes from front, stuns from behind.
protect me. Pet takes all damage 6s
Signet of blah blah (forgot name) Pet takes no damage.
Hide in plain sight, trait. camos you when you get CC’ed
shared anguish, pet gets disable instead of you
Theres a million more that can be used for these purposes, but for the life of me I can’t think of them. USE YOUR TOOLS!

Since for some reason it won’t let me quote people, and I don’t know the quote command off the top of my head, @ Cina.
It’s that kind of thinking that breeds the thought that nothing is viable. Everything is viable if you build yourself for it. If you know how to use the skillset, and if you use the tools made available. I build myself for longbow, and I use my greatsword to help ease pressure if needed. You really need to remember, there are no tanks, there isn’t any dps, and nobody has a full healset. Everyone working together as a team is what makes a good run. If you make your job all about standing behind the boss auto attacking, then you aren’t using your class to it’s full potential. Everybody plays differently, and Anet has done a decent job allowing variation in the same class. Just because some people are reporting the shortbow is a good weapon, doesn’t mean it’s the only weapon that works. You can be handsomely rewarded for creating your own personal build, that plays exactly how you want(within reason) because thats yours, its how you want to play, you will excel at it.

Spider/scorpion=/= Rock dog.

Yasha.5963:

The sword is a surprisingly difficult weapon to use, perhaps because it does all that stuff “automatically”. However, now that you write out the skill set like that I can see that on paper at least it looks good if you can time those evades well (much harder than using block skills).

Put a dagger in your offhand and you get a third evade, and a second poison. and a ranged cripple

I for one can walk into a dense mob filled area, like the centuar camps in the south east of Queensdale, aggro like 10 at a time, and proceed to wipe them off the face of this earth. My raven is even more kitten. She tanks like 5 at a time.

Remz.9083:

Ranger. Do you see the word Range in that? I don’t see sword and greatsword as a ranged weapon. Some people actually pick their class on the decision if it’s ranged or not. I don’t like up and close combat, I prefer fighting from a distance.

And thats the beauty of it. The same class can be played 100 different ways. I like both ranged and CQC, and I use a mixture of both. if i could dual wield daggers i would be longbow/DD just because it’s an awesome concept.

ankohra.6384:

Tsohg.1798:

So far i’ve noticed that this game doesn’t have DPS, Heals, and Tanks.

So you mean there is no such thing as doing damage in this game?

I meant, as in your job isn’t to just do damage. If my friend went down, i can send my pet to heal him. If my friend is getting hit too hard, i can pop my greatsword on my back and swoop in, counterattack, hilt bash, auto evade, roll away, pull longbow back out, continue to get my vulns going. Or, I can plant a frost trap, kite him over, than ping him with arrows while he crawls around. In pvp, poison trap, bye bye bunker guardian ultra heals.
You can do so much more than stand back and watch your auto attack. occasionally pressing sharping stone and complaining that your bored.

I love my ranger, everyone is screaming about how bad we are, and how we should all reroll warrior, but I honestly don’t see it. Stop begging for a GS buff, stop saying the longbow is bad, stop crying about a shortbow nerf. You need to think past other mmos. So far i’ve noticed that this game doesn’t have DPS, Heals, and Tanks. The amount of damage you can push out in a given moment isn’t as important as how much you can help everyone around you. This isn’t World of Warcraft guys, different thinking is required. Rangers have the most unique playstyle I’ve ever seen.

1) Greatsword is awesome.
Guys, the greatsword isn’t for doing a lot of damage, it’s built defensively. Look at the auto-attack, it has an evade at the end of the chain, I can’t think of any other class that can evade that much damage by just smacking a mob, then getting a sandwich. Now, I may be wrong, but i’m pretty sure that rangers are the only class with an evade built into their auto attack. Stop acting like it needs to be a high dam weapon, Rangers aren’t dps, dps doesn’t exist

2) Sword is just as awesome.
Barring a mechanical oversight with the auto-attack(rooting bug) Swords are awesome, they have both a built in cripple and a charge and a leap IN THE AUTO-ATTACK! you stick to your target like a idiot’s finger sticks to his nose when he gets sloppy with superglue. It also has 2 count’em 2 evades and a leap. And a poison. Once they fix the root bug, that will be a kitten weapon. Plus. it’s got the coolest animation ever.

3) Shortbows and longbows.
Longbows aren’t bad, shortbows are not the supreme weapon. You aren’t a dps, stop acting like it WoW baby. Look at the skills
SB
1)Bleeds when behind the opponent.

2)Cone of poison

3)Evades back. don’t have to face target
gives swiftness if the arrow connects.

4) Cripples, makes pet attacks bleed

5) Dazes in front, stuns from behind.

LB
1) Does more damage the further you are from the target.

2) Rapid fire shot.

3) 100% vuln, almost full uptime, gives pet swiftness

4) Pushes back further the closer you are.

5) Big AoE, cripples, Lasts longer than cast time.

To me, looking at them together, The Shortbow seems to have less group ability and more situational moves. Longbow’s 3 shot is very very powerful. 100% damage, hell yes! I don’t much like the shortbow move set.

But that’s the beauty of it! It’s all viable! Play how you want. No DPS, no heals, no tanks. Now keep it quiet about ranger being bad!

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