Guild Wars 2

No need to apologize for giving your honest opinion based on what I said. You are entitled to do that in a forum and are more then welcome to do it here. Your suggested build intrigues me though, would you care if I discussed it with you sometime maybe more privately if you prefer.

That being said, thank you very much for understanding my intentions over what I initially said, and being honest with me. I’ll be making a video guide and a text guide to try and cover as much as I can. Thanks everyone for ALL your responses GL and HF

In response to zachary’s question, kinda. I initially went 30/30/0/0/10 I think. Dont quote me on that lol.

But it was something like that yes. I tweaked it a lil thanks to Iamoneandiamlegion’s (or however he spells it) build video on his Hybrid Glass Cannon dps necro that he (i believe) primarily pve’s with. Now his reasoning behind “why hybrid” and why he uses the traits. Is based in sound logic.

He helped teach me to theorycraft, and trait around my goal. His as a necro and mine as a thief, are the same, do strong damage in pve. So I gave a hybrid thief a chance, and built based on his reasonings. In that logic, if you wanna learn something I already know and make your own build, then I encourage you to watch his “ultimate dps builds” for necro and mesmer on you tube.

Big Tower, thank you very much for your comment. You did exactly as I wanted people to do in relation to this forum. Nothing more. Nothing less. Thank you so much for taking an interest in what I have to share.

That being said you are more than welcome to copy my build.

However, my build lacks some survivability (stat wise). So if you’re comfortable being squishy and like my trait/gear choices, and if you feel you can play it well (and have fun doing so) then I ENCOURAGE you to copy my build.

Lol im gonna get flak for that, but rest assured everything WILL be explained in time. I might even make a video discusing it. As my WPM is poor, and it could be faster to just make a Youtube video.

Gentlemen please, you misunderstand me. Now that is partially my fault and for that I sincerely apologize.

This build in my OPINION is the most effective for my ROLE in pve and in MY personal playstyle.

That being said it can be tweaked to fulfill any playstyle that seeks to do damage in pve. Does that mean its the most effective in the current PVE Meta? In my OPINION no. does that mean its not “viable”? no.

I will explain everything about it in regards to how and why I use it in the build guide. However I feel it is unique and not something you see OFTEN.

Lol your sarcasm is spot on. I am ofc curious about your build vincent. All I was asking of people is that they show their interest if they have the time to do so in a comment. I am tweaking my build for pve effectiveness, so give me some time to get it optimal for that purpose. Ty for all your responses and gl out there.

Thank you guys for your honesty with me. Even if you were a lil rude to me, I may of had it coming. I hope we can move past all that and grow as players together. Thank you all for responding.

Lol! Ok ok I understand guys. Sorry. I did not intend to make anybody beg. I just dont wanna go out of my way for you in making a long guide if nobody reads it. Again, this build is not optimal in the current pve meta. It is not “the best” at dealing damage, however it is unique, and I believe it to be very fun and effective. So I WILL make a guide forum, cus someone showed interest. Ty all and the guide is on the way

So, OP I want to answer your question more thouroghly, but to do that, you should respond to mine. If I did a good enough job already for you then very well, and GL out there.

Also, sorry others, but I gotta say I agree 100% with Quakeman and his reasoning on why the stat combo is good for condi dmg in a condi dmg build. Particularly in WvW.

I have used it and still do, and, to better answer your question, let my ask, what do you primarily plan to do with your build? Are you asking can I deal damage with these stats? Yes absolutely you can. Mostly condition, and not the most possible amount of condi dmg, but condi dmg nonetheless. However if your goal is to roam in WvW then yes yes yes! In my opinion these stats are OPTIMAL for that. I hope I answered your question

Also I have other theories to test as well. One that amuses me, is a pure bunker thief. If this interests you, ask me about it and ill answer, what I can, IN THIS FORUM. Ty all.

This is a serious question everyone. As such, I hope you answer it truthfully.

I have in my knowledge, a viable dps build for pve. This build has likely not been seen by you before however you likely know where im going with this if you’ve seen my post before this one.

Why am I asking this? Because truthfully, I WANT to share my knowledge. But only if you want to hear it. If you all dont care I wont take the time to go into vast detail about what I use, and why I use it.

Now then, I am more than happy to teach you all about my build. I hope you are interested, and will let me know you are somehow. Ty for your time. Gl and hf out there.

Wow, very informative. Ty for sharing

Ok everyone. After a full day of testing the build I can confidently say it is viable. By viable, I mean it did exactly what I wanted it to do (hybrid dmg) Is it the most effective damage build? In my opinion yes. According to the pve meta, no. However this build does great damage to pve mobs and to players. Also I ran cof no prob with it. So if you all are interested in how I personally make this build/playstyle viable, than ask. Otherwise thanks for tagging along and gl and hf out there

Seriously though, if I find this build to be "viable in whatever I want to use it for, I will share it, ONLY if you guys care to see it. So if you guys are even remotely curious of my findings, please say so here and now, so I know if its even worth me making a build guide for it later. Thanks guys and good luck out there.

Awesome, I will defintely check those vids out. And s/p p/d is the set I plan on using! Ty for your response

I do have a theorycrafted build, but I still need to test it, but if you are curious about what I have so far and why, ask about it here and I will gladly respond. Till then build guide in progress (assuming I deem it “viable”)

I suppose I should say that if I find my build to be succesful, I will share it with you all if you’d like to see it/try it. But yea, thoughts?

Hello thief mains! (im assuming your a thief main cus this is a build discussion) I have mained my thief for a while now and mostly fulfill a dps roll in pve. That being said if I want a “Pure DPS” build, that means going GC or Glass Cannon. Now what does that mean? Well for most people it means getting zerker stats and doing lots of big crits with physical attatcks. However, physical dps is not the only damage in Gw2 condition damage is extremely consistent in pve (excluding confusion ofc :/ ) but isnt the fastest way to kill most bosses. That being said, a “Pure dps” or “Glass Cannon” build must only do one thing: give up survivability for as much damage as possible. Now, in Guild Wars 2 most trait lines give two stats ie. Deadly Arts +Power and +Condition Duration. Those two stats are strong in different builds focusing on either direct damage OR condition damage, but power doesnt affect condition duration and vise versa right? Correct. Does this mean this trait line is not viable? No. It may not be the best for condition damage or for burst damage, but it is effective at enhancing both. This is done to promote build diversity, but in the sense of a “pure dps” build, this trait line (and others for other proffessions) indicates that hybrid dps is viable. I am working on making a viable hybrid damage thief build for personal use, that being said, if this topic interests you, talk about it in the comments, and if you want to see what I come up with, tag along.

And another thing, Anets repeated dislike of “elitism” means that gw2 is not inherently about being “the most viable” its about playing it how you want and having fun and by goodness, if I want to be “the best nearly unkillable bunker” I can be then why not? Im not hurting anyone right? Lol get it? No power lol just healing and defense therefore not a lot of dmg. But a bunker doesnt kill players directly. A bunker simply outlasts them. Thats all I really want guys is an effective new build/playstyle is that too much too ask really? Compared to other peoples more imba requests? Rifle thief? Pls lol too stronk imho

This is the “suggestions” page not the “this will happen page” so go easy on my eh? This is just an easy way for Anet to promote new builds and playstyles. Sure it would be kinda broken on some classes with certain builds IF you just watch people heal without doing anything about it. So what if it might take more than 1 or 2 people to kill a good bunker with these stats? Isnt that the point in a bunker/tank build? To live as long as possible? And yea if Anet really cared about build diversity, they’d ayt least consider it, cus who runs full tank in anything anymore? Exactly, and perhaps more people would if it was more effective. Aka: t/v/hp vs p/v/t what looks better on paper for a tanky build? Opmess is relative, but it would promote counter play to beat it and hence more and more diverse builds.

The “purpose” is build diversity. to have the ability to use a build to its full potential. So what if a full tank build isnt “viable” shouldnt I be able to play it as effectively as posdible if I so choose? Well if yes then I feel these stats are most effective for such a build. If I cant directly kill other players with it, well then good thing thats not my goal in using such a build. The whole point is to promote build diversity which I though gw2 was all about tha. Maybe not lol

Ah yes it would be quite strong. But not unkillable. Nothing is entirely unkillable in gw2. some things/builds are just more difficult and require specific counter play.

Ok so we all know the stats of choice for a tankier build is Soldiers aka Power/Vitality/Toughness. But what if you want to go full tank/bunker and therefore have no use for the power? Well how would you like the too keep the toughness and vitality of Soldiers, but also have healing power? Anet could distribute the stats however they see fit, but I honestly feel this would be an excellen addition to the game and promote build diversity and make a full bunker/tank build much more effective. Perhaps it would be too strong in pvp but thankfully they dont have to put it into the mists for to be happy with it.

I am not a fan of kicking anyone, for any reason, unless they are being severely detrimental to the progress of the group. That being said, I have been in groups where this has happened. I have a buddy who just thinks it’s “payback for being bad” to make them participate until the very end just be kicked before all that time is worth anything. Yea, my friend is a kitten, but he doesn’t do it to people who run smoothly either, so maybe you do have some introspection to do OP. Or you’re unlucky and just get kittens in groups. Or you could just get a crew together for your runs and move on.

Lol your point is solid, but your example situation makes me giggle. Why would you have a LAN party with people who you don’t know well enough to trust them to respect your property/time investment ie. Your character. Lol idk I dont have LAN parties, so I dont know if it’s commonplace to have total strangers in them.

Lol but to be fair the argument of “people can be mean regardless, so give me a dps chart” is a pretty weak one also.

True, but people will always find reasons to kick someone from a group. Not enough dmg, dies a lot, no thieves/too many thieves. So, yea I can understand this game not needing another reason for people to be kittens to eachother, but it’s gonna happen regardless in any mmo right? Idk, while that is a perfectly valid argument, I dont find it holds much weight. But thats just my opinion.

I know Anet has issues with the idea due to “elitism” or however you spell it, but this isn’t about proving I do more damage, I just want to see how much I do in fights. Sure I can see big hits in big numbers if im running a crit dmg build, but in pve I play a lot of condition builds and while I love seeing a bunch of numbers ticking off on my screen, I have no way of adding them all up to figue out how much overall damage I did in a fight. If Anet is so worried about peoples feelings, there could be a private chart, but maybe you could chose to share it with your party if you play with friends and are into a lil friendly competition. Either way, I’d like it mostly so I can tell what im accomplishing not so I can brag, and I’d say it’s a reasonable request. Thoughts?

I would honestly rather it do nothing at all then continue to exist as it doea. How jus this trat not changed with all the others? It’s easily the most complained about trait on these forums and with good reason. I cant count the number of times it’s gotten me killed.

Forgot to mention Sigils. I use Agony on pistol and Doom on dagger

• PvP runes are centered around Condi DURATION not Damage lol my bad.

So I recently started playing with this build after discovering the new condition “Torment.” The traits I run are 30/0/30/10/0 grabbing Venomous Strength, Quick Venoms, Potent Poison, Shadow’s Embrace, Infusion of Shadow, Shadow’s Rejuvination, and Power of Inertia. I use p/d with carrion gear and Superior Runes of Tormenting in WvW. In PvP I run a mix of runes for increased conditon damage. As far as utilities, you should of course vary your skills to each situation, but I always, ALWAYS bring Skale Venom with this build for the torment. Along with that, I personally like Spider Venom and Smoke Screen with Daggerstorm as my preferred elite and Hide in Shadows as my default heal, (but in PvP I ususally run Signet of Malice) So, give it a try, have fun, and feel free to leave comments, suggetions, changes or criticisms below.