Guild Wars 2

Morrar.1764:

VOLKON.1290:

Note: Traps are relatively expensive. Once that “new item smell” has worn off, you’ll see them used more tactically, learn where they’re more likely to be and adjust accordingly.

What’s with the panic over things we haven’t even had a chance to try in practice? Let’s see how they play out, then see if there are adjustments that make sense to offer to ANet.

Well people have a brain and they can simulate things in their minds. Therefore they don’t need to run their car into a wall to get some idea of what it would feel like. Given the information we have on traps, we could use that information to form an opinion on how it could affect game play. That’s what people are doing, rather than just be sitting ducks and see what comes.

I’ll ask you a question in return; what do these traps add to game play? Which problem where they supposed to fix? And will they?

Supply bombs will probably only achieve two things: a) benefits larger zergs over small groups (due to cap of 20 players) and b) someone gets sacrificed to run around like a headless chicken in front of the zerg (fun game play huh?).

With regard to anti-stealth bomb; some will deploy it to troll thieves, they are basically free (badges and karma are useless). Is that fun? I have a thief, but also 7 other professions so I care little, but I don’t see the fun in that. Also note that thieves can troll your zerg much harder now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv4P-kTBzE0.

Others will argue it will de-stealth hiding portal mesmers. Will it? The trigger area is small and it needs to be triggered by an enemy. Hiding mesmers stand still in a corner, so you’d basically need to drop the trap under their feet. Alternatively, you need to drop a lot of them on fleeing enemies. Wouldn’t it be more efficient to just provide a sweep upgrade to keeps that people can activate once?

In any case, I fail to see the fun of traps and the problems they are supposed to combat. For some it’ll just cause silly game play (more zerging, running ahead) or better solutions can be provided. Judging from the post above, they don’t seem to be used much as a result.

Its more meant to counter veil bombs and portal mes running past a chokepoint second the supply one is meant to help prevent overly drawn out sieges I presume and btw most people who actually wvw use their badges on siege

all this complaining … they aren’t that bad I can concede the anti stealth might need a reduced timer which anet probably will do since it was.the first run it will prob be reduved too 15 -20 sec which is stll fairly effective

Ok ok math time look at the trap size and figure in how close your zergs run together nhow judge exactly how effective they are

I honestly think this is more about veil bombs then theives a person can only place one of each are they really gonna waste it on.a lone theif not to mention how small they actually are

You know there will prob be a give away so it can be avoided

Stealth removal doesn’t just effect thieves it effects mes a ton as well as engis and rangers

Someone has an unwaranted sense of self entitlement

Oi gumin!

Swift.1832:

The fact commanders often ask you to get on a voice-system (outside of gw2) is directly related to the fact they get ‘muted’ on the teamchannel. I agree it’s kinda annoying at first to tell who is commanding and who is just talking in teamchat. Also the colors of map and teamchat are so similar, that often when fighting I don’t see the difference.

According to the wiki, commanders also should be able to edit maps. Draw on them for orders to go to or where to place what siege. But I’ve not seen that part working.

They can but don’t cuz requires squad and is a clunky timewaste like map drawing in parties better spent doodling with the map draw system then trying to accomplish anything

Only a wvw player knows a 5 second protection boon is enough to get the job done

Target their avatar in game press p and click invite to party

CHIPS.6018:

Hematuria.4051:

Since I spend 99% of my time in WvW, am I missing something? I’ve only been playing for a few months, but it looks like there are themed activities out there somewhere. Is PvE worth it?

I used to PvE. But I found it too hardcore for me. Last time I pve I cried and rage quitted. So now I just WvW all the time now. >_>

I thought pve was a mythical mob rumored to exist in eb

Give me my necro over all else

I agree completely

1 boon removed per person isn’t as great as it sounds if it prioritizedlretaliation or something it would be much more useful well of darkness and suffering would be much better with a well spec then run poison cloud for the fumble

subcrazy.1098:

CHIPS.6018:

@chips,

I do have one question: Why carry Corrupt boon over Well of Corruption?

Will use a guard for example.

Guard uses Save Yourselves!, so he gets 7 boons. You Corrupt all 7 and spread all 7 with Epidemic to 4 other ppl, u poison yourself with corrupt boon but if you using dagger off hand just use 4 on your target to get it off or use it get more healing on yourself.

Well of corruption 1 boon every sec for only 5 sec which is only 5 boons striped if they stayed in the well. The dark field is nice tho. Yes this is to more then 1 target but no one stays in those for longer then 1 sec and dont go back to that area till the well is gone if they have half a brain

In the end corrupt boon does all boons, well only does 1 every sec for 5 sec and u have to hope the enemies stay in it to get 5 boons off. Corrupt boon is more controlled and the well is more random.

I also think wells are great for 1 on 1 when u can lock them in it. Or in spvp cause it almost takes up the whole circle to help u get caps off cause it forces ppl out.

I agree with this I never run well of corruption

BulletNG.7069:

I’m glad someone who can’t spell and use proper grammar isn’t joining GoM. Go ahead and fill up NSP more.

I can’t begin to explain how much of a gumin that makes you sound like

there are decent number of small mans you can whisper me in game when I’m online with anything really or pm me here on forums I check the forums often

CHIPS.6018:

Xom.9264:

CHIPS.6018:

Xom.9264:

I doubt once you get into the 30+ zerg range adding another 30 is going to change the tactics.

Anyway I hope those screen shots are not yours, because if they are you lost alot of points in my eyes. Those utility choices are…. not optimal some are ok but not for the kind of fighting you are doing. I can see spectral wall in a zerg fight on a push… but blood is power and spectral walk in a zerg fight… solo sure but not zerg.

I’m sure you are a great commander but this goes to the point of small scale fighters that look for other small scale fighters are just plain going to be better at the class they play and how it interacts with teammates and foes.

Seeing all the red bunched up there and your lack of perhaps the two best utilities in the game for those kinds of fights is a let down. I hate to sound elitist because I’m not at all…. but man why would you not have epidemic and corrupt boon when you are clearly a condition necro?

/shrug

And you lose a lot of points in my eyes for suggesting Epidemic in a 60vs60 zerg fight. The game lag and computer lag, combined with its new line of sight requirement make Epidemic useless in WvW, specially for tower defense.

You clearly have very little experience with 60vs60, and no experience with tower defense. You don’t even browse the necro forums much. If you do, you would not ever mention Epidemic for WvW.

You probably do a lot of 5v5 to 20v20 open field battles, and your opinions are based from that. It just goes to show how different the two game play type is.

So you dont use the two skill based game changer utilities a condition necro has because of lagggggg, yet you claim T1-3 is of a higher skill level…. So you are actually a skilled zerger yet the lag is stopping you from showing your skills, lag my be causing you to just faceroll marks and run around a bit not really targeting anything.

I watched 1 min of your vid I seen targets that are clearly gaurds with a million boons on them… the good player would have selected the target corrupted the boon maybe laydown a few marks then cast epidemic. If lag stops you from doing that well then how do you know if you are a good player or not if you can never do actual combos and just resort to spaming marks?

Even if you land epidemic less then half the time it would be doing a heck of alot more then spectral wall, spectral walk and blood is power. I used to post on the Necro forums alot I stopped wasting my time. WvW necros are a good choice in large scale fights and epidemic is one of those reason.

I don’t always zerg but when I do I chose Epidemic.

(wells are also a good choice but I run them mostly with power builds)

Dude, can you really pick out that “booned” guy or that “conditioned” guy in a zerg of 60 foes, while following your commander on teamspeak and sticking tight right next to him 24/7?

Did I mention that the enemy zerg are often group stealthed before the engagement, so you cannot use any single target skills against them?

I can see Epidemic working very well in a 5v5, 10v10 and 20v20. But once zergs hits 60+ it is a very different ball game. Lots of skills won’t work there, while others that sucks in small scale works really well.

As for the server lag, its gotten much better ever since we came to tier 3. The zergs are slightly smaller, both ours and our enemies, so we can use our skills instantly most of the time. My previous point on lag is about a full on 80vs80 zerg fight in tier 1 and tier 2.

Two pictures of a 80 men zerg. Will Epidemic help you here?

Properly used it will because that’s multiple blinds weakness bleeds and vulns constantly moved around providing a ton of mitigation with fumble and blind

So I can haz score update plox??

Hickeroar.9734:

Darek.1836:

Hickeroar.9734:

Wolfheart.1938:

frostshade.3617:

Wolfheart.1938:

McFribble.2349:

Rezzet.3614:

Florgknight.1589:

Not like my thief can jump into a 30 man zerg first and always survive by daggerstorming with malice signet on.

your thief however can spam Cluster bombs poison and stealth to run away from the zerg .

Running away is NOT a positive…I don’t see why so many people think being only able to run from a zerg somehow translates to a good thing, while Guardians can tank through zergs with ease.

One is fighting and helping out their team. The other is trying not to die.

Guardians can “tank” a zerg for 4-5 seconds by popping back to back their and elite that make them invulnerable, +f3 2 times. After that they manage to die 1s slower than any other class with an equivalent build because when zerged only invulnerabilities save you.

My guard can last 1 minute plus alone ina zerg with a block/shut bunker build but I also know how to maximize evade

My necromancer can kill 20 players + your guild in under 5 seconds.

My lvl 2 thief can face tank your entire server with only a single pistol.

What these guys said is about how stupid you sound to me, frost.

I was joking…and so was the person I quoted… PLEASE tell me you didn’t take me for serious….

Moobs sounds mad cuz he ain’t pro enough

So back in america how are the scores doing… ??

Wolfheart.1938:

McFribble.2349:

Rezzet.3614:

Florgknight.1589:

Not like my thief can jump into a 30 man zerg first and always survive by daggerstorming with malice signet on.

your thief however can spam Cluster bombs poison and stealth to run away from the zerg .

Running away is NOT a positive…I don’t see why so many people think being only able to run from a zerg somehow translates to a good thing, while Guardians can tank through zergs with ease.

One is fighting and helping out their team. The other is trying not to die.

Guardians can “tank” a zerg for 4-5 seconds by popping back to back their and elite that make them invulnerable, +f3 2 times. After that they manage to die 1s slower than any other class with an equivalent build because when zerged only invulnerabilities save you.

My guard can last 1 minute plus alone ina zerg with a block/shout bunker build but I also know how to maximize evade

subcrazy.1098:

I don’t want to derail this thread to much but epidemic is on 12 sec CD if specced for it. So I can get that off 2-4 times well u do 1 well. Now I do get that wells at times are better for zerging I guess. I just don’t see how some calls I’m immobilizing and u spread that to 4 other ppl u just locked down 5 ppl. Just a small example. Also all conditions u spread take the necros stats.

Wells vs epi can be debated all day all situational and based on play style so both are good

ghost.3208:

draner.5213:

Gaurdians ha! My necro laughs at them! Boon your self, yes do it! Those will be your own end! (spinal shivers and corrupt boon for the win)

Finally another fellow necro that understands why we can render useless some builds on the other classes

All those bunker builds or guardians using “Save yourselves!”, watch how my lovely corrupt boon destroys those buffs ^^ (yet I’m a main guardian user, but I see that shout being used way too commonly on PvP).

I use it that shout with CoP and retreat running cd removal on shout so yea

Gab Superstar.4059:

NSP has some European coverage afaik, but that is as far as it goes. I am one of maybe three (3) Europeans on my server who does WvW regularly and is engaged in the community. This is not a joke.

We have minor gom.has good eu coverage though

subcrazy.1098:

@ chips and epidemic its huge in wvw and very useful. And yes I go to the necro forums, hell even have my own thread and also been asked to do the podcast but just haven’t had the time to do it. But to say epidemic is not good for wvw is just plain silly.

Epidemic is weaker then wells though unless 5v5-10ish and epidemic is better now its unblockable

covenn.7165:

frostshade.3617:

You really need to meet tele her staff ele can 1v30 all these eles q.qing jus like people say engis are bad or necros are bad just can’t do anything but faceroll

Staff ele’s are free points if I catch them alone.

YEah, they are viable in a zerg though.

Lololololololol good luck soloing tele who is a staff ele ten people can’t down her don’t think you can

I can 1v1 most people on my sword pistol thief who is up leveld does that make me a good player or an op class

Only a wvw player says b as in.bravost c as in cliffside

LordByron.8369:

titanlectro.5029:

Don’t forget that all eles are not D/D eles.
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i don t

Focus and staff eles are sooo happy from the last PvP andti S/D patch…
and they were already laughed off before the nerf…..well unless you are the buff bot players wants to buff their warrior/guardian in zergs…

So much fun…. *yawn

You really need to meet tele her staff ele can 1v30 all these eles q.qing jus like people say engis are bad or necros are bad just can’t do anything but faceroll

covenn.7165:

Maybe if ele’s weren’t do easy to down, they wouldn’t need that ability. ANET has already been doing heavy handed modifications to them since beta and having been taking away the things they gave them to compensate for having the lowest armor/health pool combination in the game.

Your not playing ele right if your easy to down.. eles are second hardest class to kill after bunker engi

Still point is its remnant from the days of orbs

Idc how anyone wvws as long as they don’t greif jus keep your kitten to yourself and let others play the way they enjoy because there isn’t just one meta

You mean you killed people who were afk and didn’t fight back gj man

Thanks now to catch my plane

I’m not getting a score update am I Q.Q

May this thread never end because only a wvw player can appreciate it

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

What’s great about all you 10+ runners all say the same things about “havoc groups” in higher tiers, that their use is “cutting supplies, killing dolyaks, cutting off back lines”…. How come none of you understand when our 5 guys leave the spawn 100% of our goal is to only kill red? It’s so hard for you Zergers to realize points D O N O T MA T T E R and we simply play to kill people? And when a group of 8-20 dies to 5 guys is a joke and shouldn’t happen but happens everyday?

And then you come on the forums and tell us how awesome your 20 man guild groups are when the truth is if you ran less you’d fall into the “joke category” otherwise you would run less….

Now I am confused. If your server’s scores doesn’t matter to you at all, where is the source of your server loyalty? Where is your source of server pride? Why stay? Is lag the only reason then? So if one day Anet changes to new servers and removes all lags, you are gone?

Yes! Prime example exhibit A. CHIPs thanks for proving my points. YOU don’t understand we play this for rvr, player vs player. Real 5 mans (dedicated focus firing guilds) don’t play this for their server or the pointless pointless “Anet point system”….

Look at my signature. Clearly we give two kittens about the server were on. It’s who is our opponents that’s the real concern because they are the ones bringing/or not bringing the Quality of fighting to the table. I never wrote one thing about lag hoss. Thanks for being part of the 95% of gw2 population which has never experienced elitest hardcore fighting and then writing in a thread about hardcore wvwers lol.

In that case your aim is a fight club. WvW aren’t really your thing. As such, you are not actually a target audience of this thread.

Bad choice chips paxa thinks fight clubs are carebear activities as well as duels lol lol lol paxa refuses to face anyone in an organized 5v5 people have tried so many times but they refuse and kitten

I just prefer
the less facelessness of lower teirs on nsp we all know each other in wvw

Jscull.2514:

Anyone who has commander in their signature or has the blue Dorito doesn’t have speaking privileges on under 10 matter

I find you… amusing very amusing please continue \popcorn

Im am on my way back japan on a lay over can i gets a score update and less bullkittenabout non existent factors

Jscull.2514:

What’s great about all you 10+ runners all say the same things about “havoc groups” in higher tiers, that their use is “cutting supplies, killing dolyaks, cutting off back lines”…. How come none of you understand when our 5 guys leave the spawn 100% of our goal is to only kill red? It’s so hard for you Zergers to realize points D O N O T MA T T E R and we simply play to kill people? And when a group of 8-20 dies to 5 guys is a joke and shouldn’t happen but happens everyday?

And then you come on the forums and tell us how awesome your 20 man guild groups are when the truth is if you ran less you’d fall into the “joke category” otherwise you would run less….

Jokes on you

What devon was saying is sometimes the debuff you get in spawn stays on you when you leave and when you put your supply into something with that debuff on it will get destroyed he was asking if anyone has seen if that was the problem or if it was a seperate incident

Huh so when did mesmers lose their four stealth abilities and engis their 2 stealths and rangers their single stealth

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

frostshade.3617:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

We probably can actually and ya know what we keep getting better

Well OS has impressed me when RE faced you in the past, we have a mutual respect and good raport with eachother anyway lol Although RE’s open field battle has evolved a lot since our DH, early KN days till now.

I’d hope to God you are better now, because when we fought RE they were horrible in the open field.

Oh, ok well there goes the good relations out the window, horrible enough to make a guild leave NSP because of how we spammed 1 and 2 when RE fought them I suppose?…

On Topic; You can ask TC and FA in T2 how we like to spam 1 and 2 when we fought them outnumbered, or even Mag and Yaks in T3 where we are outnumbered but due to weekly training, TS VoIP, and great commanding we spam 1 and 2. Spend some time fighting along side WM and in T2 and see if you dont want to up your game. There is no need to up your game below T4, thats the OP’s point, try being outnumbered and see if you can take on a T3 guild with the same tactics your using.

Btw if we ever get our gvgs I’m sure os would look forward to going against you we ourselves have improved exponentially and we have always enjoyed fighting you in the past

Ruprect.7260:

Jscull.2514:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

I am not the one on forums claiming to have the biggest pvp kitten. You are.
Now either show us a video of your 5v20/5v40/5v60 of an organised guild, then you may have the kitten crown.
Until then
Chaoi

I wasnt talking to you zerging NSP clowns. I was talking to Ruprect.

I have nothing to prove. You came out saying that you can win 2/3/4x your numbers.

I said anyone can farm pugs, that is nothing special there.

You provided a video of you farming pugs. WOW! Sooo pro.

What are u 12?

Don’t try and argue with jscull honestly all you’ll get is exagerations kitten more kitten exagerations videos that prove nothing more kitten and @ jscull so mad bro so mad is justa game bro needa relax.. lol actually keep it up your rage amuses me honestly everyone knows its overcompensation

Anti stealth traps soon lol so maybe not theives

Jscull.2514:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

A “commander” leading 40-80 people who are ALL PRESSING 1 -2 SKILLS…….our 5 man uses 30-50 skills EACH in one fight….and win against 2/3/4x our number…..what is your argument for how building siege? coordinating 30 people to press 1 when hit by another zerg? spamming portal bombs and sitting on arrow carts make you hardcore at all…..like i said in previous post, “You carebears don’t even realize what hardcore pvp looks like”

We get it /yawn blah blah kittens bigger overinflated kitten blah blah exxagerations exxagerations kittens… calm down bro no need to get mad is justa game

Thank you for the score update and glhf to all

Devanuze.8734:

it makes me laugh how theres not a spot of interferance on either NSP BL or DR BL from eachother. 90% sure this is a co-ordinated attack by your commanders,

But if thats what it takes for you to beat a single server…

(SS from slightly before Honeybuns)

Someones always getting double teamed at some point most likely isn’t co-ordinated but /yawn its 1:30 am here so gimme one last score update before I sleep please