Guild Wars 2

why dont you guys duke it out a couple times and see how it goes.

Can you guys make one were we see our own stats? My kills, deaths, etc.

can you add superior runes of lyssa buffs?

edit: ah nevermind it’d be weird if you can get 100% buffs with these on lol

post their proffesion

Just made a build that can kill any type of thief (even burst ones). But…I traded of killing thieves to guardians. Now I don’t die from them but I also don’t kill them.

I’ve played mesmer since launch and recently I’ve tried thief, let me tell you something and you can quote me on this.

“Thief takes 90% less effort to kill anybody”

Sebrent.3625:

knight.8926:

I’m guessing they kill you at the same rate you kill them? I think what the people want is an anti-thief build that demolishes all kinds of thief builds…especially the burst spec

Those people should take a look at Pyroatheist’s Immortal Mesmer build then. Burst thieves can unload on you and you’ll simply be standing there saying “ok, that was maybe 1/3 of my health, now what are you going to do”. You may even have to “help them” as they lay on the ground from your retaliation.

I don’t know man those burst thieves hurt like hell even with 3k armor and all the protection I can get. Their burst isn’t just a one time deal, it’s pretty constant.

I have a confusion build, the only time I kill anyone is when they attack me with it on. Other than that I have 0 / zero / nada capabilities to kill them. The only other thing I do is desperately try to survive until my shatters aren’t on cooldown.

Geiir.7603:

My main is a thief, and I’ve played that profession since first beta weekends, so I like to say that I got an above average good understanding of how we think and fight. I’ve tried almost every single build you can find in these forums and made a few my self The last months I’ve been playing Mesmer, and I find the Mesmer far more superior in damage and survivability. Thieves have a better chance of running, but hey, that’s a win for me since I’m not dead.

First of all: a thief dishing out 22k damage in a few seconds isn’t uncommon so this is something every one should be aware of and ready to counter. Many here have said that you should use your blocks, teleports, dodges and flurry – and I agree. The best way would be to gain distance and let him burn his initiative (a thief with no initiative is a dead thief).

Second: a full shatter combo with 6-7 shatters about the same damage in the same amount of time. He was probably full zerker, which means a one trick pony. He either kill you in two seconds or he’ll die if you as much as sneeze on him.

Third: crying about damage. I’ve seen a warrior crit for over 30k in one hit. That’s three times a thieves health pool…

My best advice for you is to duel thieves in your guild. Adjust your build to counter them and they’ll run like small school girls when they figure out that they can’t kill you. My Mesmer build is glassy but tons of mobility. I laugh when I duel a thief

I’m guessing they kill you at the same rate you kill them? I think what the people want is an anti-thief build that demolishes all kinds of thief builds…especially the burst spec

I must’ve be running into bad warriors cause I’ve fought so many and not even one has killed me (contradictory to this fact is that when I was afk and they butchered me). I also wanna see a vid by MiLkZz. It might help all those crying warriors I killed

yea I hate their regen and it also removes condition, they pretty much have it set.

swinsk.6410:

Yea, but thieves can stealth, so let’s nerf them first.

Thieves can stealth 90% of the time that’s the problem.

I feel sad every time I fight a warrior, they have no defensive ability against me, I literally just shred them. I actually want them to be a more challenging fight but there’s really nothing going on for them. A stealth skill would probably give them a fighting chance. This would be a good offense and defense skill for them. Without it they’re just free kills. I see them all the time in wvw / spvp and its the class that’s saying “Free kill here,.”

Teamkiller.4315:

Brassnautilus.2941:

7k/10s regen, chain stun, 3 cantrips and a pet.
NO eles aren’t OP. we all just need to l2p

The people in the video do in fact need to l2p. You will notice that he slaughtered numerous other DD eles in the video.

What’s the point of linking a video of two really good players taking on 18 guys? One could just as easily link a video of lolthief:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACOxV5CA52w

And claim they’re OP. Nope. That’s not skill there, that’s the class being OP. Yup. Two instant accesses to stealth + blind, double stunbreaker and condition cleanser in one utility. Oh, and stability + projectile reflect with no aoe limit as an elite. 17k HP 2.6k armor and rolling out 6-7k backstabs with ease. Yup, not OP at all.

…

But then, you might notice, he also kills a ton of thieves, so one might start to wonder “hmmm maybe this guy is good, and it’s not the thief class that’s OP” just like you should consider “maybe these guys are really good and it’s not the ele class that is OP. Oh, and their opponents were inexperienced and upleveled judging from the lack of focus and CC use”.

I’ve noticed that from thieves being called OP a lot of you guys have defensively started to look at other classes and call them OP. You’re no better than those who whine of thieves being overpowered without bothering to do their research now.

poor ranger in the vid didn’t stand a chance

The best thing about thieves is they start of with steal, what I do is hit decoy as soon as its in range. I move to the side while my clone gets destroyed and make at least 3 clones to mind wrack him. This saves your blurred frenzy when he tries to come after you. You have the option to use it and use another shatter while you’re at it.

jportell.2197:

knight.8926:

how good are they against thieves though? the ones that stealth every second and backstab and when they come out of stealth their health is always full

Against thieves this build is pretty good… Just manage the shatters so you can track the baddies when they pop out of stealth… if it is a p/d bleed then just make sure you are standing on dem reflects.

sorry but is there a video against thieves, the other videos aren’t really impressive since the ones he was fighting weren’t very bursty. Any mesmer build could’ve done what he did on that.

how good are they against thieves though? the ones that stealth every second and backstab and when they come out of stealth their health is always full. Any videos regarding it, I don’t care if they’re fail videos being beaten by a thief.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/CnD-Steal

I’m wondering if this is intended and if not when will it be fixed?
For those who didn’t read it it’s about thieves being able to precast CnD and then hit Steal making it possible to burst with 3 attacks in less than a second (Backstab after all of it). This is we’re half the complaints about thieves are at (other is perma stealth, which is still rampant).

Mesmer

Illusionary Counter: The range of the reactive part of this ability is now consistent with its indicated range.
Mesmer Portals can no longer be interacted with when there is an obstruction between them and the player.
Mind Stab: This skill will now hit up to three targets.
Illusionary Riposte: The reactionary strike that occurs when this skill blocks an attack now has the correct distance of the ability instead of half the distance. Added a ranged fact to this skill.
Mirror: This healing skill now applies reflection for 2 seconds instead of 1.
The Prestige: This ability is no longer channeled and will automatically detonate 3 seconds after the ability is used.

Heya I’m just wondering what a good BS build is for spvp. I need maximum dmg if possible too. thanks

how well do you do against burst bs thieves that disappear alot? The ones that attack, then disappear, attack and so on. mind posting vids? thx and nice vids btw

just wondering what sigils/rune/food to get to prolong or maximize our knockdowns/stuns and how much longer it would be. thx in advance

By using fine transmutation stone? is it possible to transfer a soulbound exotic from one character to another?

Hey I’m new to warrior and I was wondering what a good build is for me for pve. I’m leaning on a banner regen build and I was wondering toughness or healing+ (or vit?) would be more viable for it. My main priority is being able to be “tankish” enough in between heals and dodge while outputting good dps with a GS. thx in advance.

that was pretty cool, what did you do to get all those rally’s?

DJRiful.3749:

knight.8926:

Most of the post on mesmers and other “OP” classes are due to ignorance. I’m a clicker and I still manage to beat ppl 2 v 1.. it’s really a l2p issue or I just have more skill than those players. Get some more experience with your class…I had to go through tons and tons of builds just to see what benefited me the most. I hardly ever loose 1 v 1 unless I’m trying out a new build. People need to time their skills and use a strategy to beat me. Not just for example ( steal BS) that doesn’t usually work on me. Why? Cause you’ve been doing it for 2 months, did you think I won’t learn from this? Seriously I barely loose 1 v 1 anymore, but that doesn’t mean I never loose. I still find the ocassional ranger, thief, warrior, necro, mesmer, engineer, or guardian who actually outplay me. Not because of their burst but because of their skill.

P.S. I don’t use the burst spec everyone’s so fond of. So please don’t generalize.

I haven’t complaint at any classes at all until you actually made me to reply you about something.

I’ve went full range of Elementalist ability, From Staff, S/D or D/D. From Glass Cannon to Bunker. As of right now I do perfectly fine with 1v1 but you do NOT know how complicated and so much effort on Elementalist in other to kill someone. It’s a fact, I don’t die a lot from people but hey, how many abilities I have to use in other to kill someone vs someone only use 5 skills on the bar just to kill them slowly.

Especially your Mesmer, luck to be in party so I can mark you and I can identify the real one instead of the clones. I still get whacked by your clones like huge chunk of HP while running at you. I am not a glass cannon. S/D or D/D I’m at 17-18k HP with full 2000 Toughness at 2800 Armors.

Hey, maybe you should figure order class instead of calling out people to L2P. This is a matter of fact why people are complaining sometime.

This is my first post to reply about Mesmer since day one beta of GW2.

Why I haven’t said anything before? This is what will happen, post like these will appear.

I can’t speak for other profession except for Elementalist and Engineer. These two professions are the most complicated to master everything. Ele has 50 abilities alone on the left bar including trait and dodges abilities. + other 5 on the left. Eng has full kit to choose pre-combat.

I don’t know what you’re deal is but what my post is trying to say is don’t nerf us due to misinformation.

Stin.9781:

knight.8926:

Stin.9781:

knight.8926:

condiments.8043:

knight.8926:

condiments.8043:

knight.8926:

condiments.8043:

However you try to justify it this is ridiculous. At least a thief has an entire build devoted to being a quick gib setup, whereas a mesmer can run this setup and have…

1)Instant 10k AREA BURST with more for single target.
2)Portal for control over home point and middle, allowing to contribute in contested team battles.
3)Time warp to give a team area HASTE for 10 seconds for quickness stomps and quick kills.
4)The best duelist in the game.

And people wonder why mesmer is required on every team….

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Nice non-rebuttal. I wouldn’t mind thief burst getting nerfed either, its just hilarious listening mesmers try to justify this. They bring so much more to the team other than their damage, which is in many ways more insane than thieves. The only thing they are lacking in is on demand mobility, otherwise you’d be seeing 3 mesmer teams dominating every game.

then let’s not argue on the fact that mesmers need to use different types of skills to actually be useful and your complaining about that fact.

Every class uses different skills to be useful, hence why they are useful. Very few classes bring such all-encompassing utility and damage that the mesmer has in one build. Mesmer’s should have more viable builds for tournies, but this variant is WAYY over the top to the point it outshines anything else they could bring.

they do have more builds, its just a matter of ppl not generalizing that every single mesmer is a shatter build and that their MW is what makes that mesmer.

Im not gonna argue bout that, but answer these plz

1. Which one brings more help to team?
2. Which one can bunker.
3. Which one can burst other glass cannons from 100>0%
4.How many utilitys does it use to set up burst.

My answers
1.Mesmer
2.Mesmer
3.Both
4. Thief (assasins signet and elite)(45 seconds cd for)(steal available each 45 seconds only)
Mesmer( Takes 1 utility, almost same cd) burst available each 10 seconds

Mesmer has more often acess to burst, more team utility too AND he can bunker side point. If he only had mobility of thief i would never probably see thief ingame anymore.

mesmers can’t really bunker, they avoid damage using illusions…

They can defend point and not let enemy cap it, they can port in teammates to help him. Now please tell me how you imagine thief holding the point in glass cannon spec.

I’m not helping you out if you can’t figure it out yourself, that’s the problem ppl have. They don’t want to figure it out for themselves.

Stin.9781:

knight.8926:

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knight.8926:

condiments.8043:

knight.8926:

condiments.8043:

However you try to justify it this is ridiculous. At least a thief has an entire build devoted to being a quick gib setup, whereas a mesmer can run this setup and have…

1)Instant 10k AREA BURST with more for single target.
2)Portal for control over home point and middle, allowing to contribute in contested team battles.
3)Time warp to give a team area HASTE for 10 seconds for quickness stomps and quick kills.
4)The best duelist in the game.

And people wonder why mesmer is required on every team….

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Nice non-rebuttal. I wouldn’t mind thief burst getting nerfed either, its just hilarious listening mesmers try to justify this. They bring so much more to the team other than their damage, which is in many ways more insane than thieves. The only thing they are lacking in is on demand mobility, otherwise you’d be seeing 3 mesmer teams dominating every game.

then let’s not argue on the fact that mesmers need to use different types of skills to actually be useful and your complaining about that fact.

Every class uses different skills to be useful, hence why they are useful. Very few classes bring such all-encompassing utility and damage that the mesmer has in one build. Mesmer’s should have more viable builds for tournies, but this variant is WAYY over the top to the point it outshines anything else they could bring.

they do have more builds, its just a matter of ppl not generalizing that every single mesmer is a shatter build and that their MW is what makes that mesmer.

Im not gonna argue bout that, but answer these plz

1. Which one brings more help to team?
2. Which one can bunker.
3. Which one can burst other glass cannons from 100>0%
4.How many utilitys does it use to set up burst.

My answers
1.Mesmer
2.Mesmer
3.Both
4. Thief (assasins signet and elite)(45 seconds cd for)(steal available each 45 seconds only)
Mesmer( Takes 1 utility, almost same cd) burst available each 10 seconds

Mesmer has more often acess to burst, more team utility too AND he can bunker side point. If he only had mobility of thief i would never probably see thief ingame anymore.

mesmers can’t really bunker, they avoid damage using illusions…

Numot.3965:

knight.8926:

this isn’t any different from a thief who BS out of stealth

Again that is a separate issue that needs to be addressed in a different thread.

The topic here is about mesmer’s current high burst in a specific spec.

Every class has a high burst in a specific spec, look at warrior for example (since I can’t talk about thieves here) their 100b deals the same or more damage. So why complain about mesmer doing the same?

this isn’t any different from a thief who BS out of stealth

Numot.3965:

This isn’t a thread about thief burst, this is a matter of the mesmer burst in question. Is it too high? certainly, since even heavily armed targets can take the same level of damage from a full combo, and its hard to actually counter attack/punish/ avoid. Thief and warrior burst damage is fairly easily avoided or negated, and then can be punished. It is much more difficult to do this to the mesmer’s burst build at the moment.

dude how hard is it too see the illusions running towards you for MW compared to an instant thief steal + BS combo?

I didn’t see anything wrong with the bows and wow the speargun and trident looked awesome. Too bad they’re only for underwater use

condiments.8043:

knight.8926:

condiments.8043:

knight.8926:

condiments.8043:

However you try to justify it this is ridiculous. At least a thief has an entire build devoted to being a quick gib setup, whereas a mesmer can run this setup and have…

1)Instant 10k AREA BURST with more for single target.
2)Portal for control over home point and middle, allowing to contribute in contested team battles.
3)Time warp to give a team area HASTE for 10 seconds for quickness stomps and quick kills.
4)The best duelist in the game.

And people wonder why mesmer is required on every team….

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Nice non-rebuttal. I wouldn’t mind thief burst getting nerfed either, its just hilarious listening mesmers try to justify this. They bring so much more to the team other than their damage, which is in many ways more insane than thieves. The only thing they are lacking in is on demand mobility, otherwise you’d be seeing 3 mesmer teams dominating every game.

then let’s not argue on the fact that mesmers need to use different types of skills to actually be useful and your complaining about that fact.

Every class uses different skills to be useful, hence why they are useful. Very few classes bring such all-encompassing utility and damage that the mesmer has in one build. Mesmer’s should have more viable builds for tournies, but this variant is WAYY over the top to the point it outshines anything else they could bring.

they do have more builds, its just a matter of ppl not generalizing that every single mesmer is a shatter build and that their MW is what makes that mesmer.

how did you rally in 3:30?

condiments.8043:

knight.8926:

condiments.8043:

However you try to justify it this is ridiculous. At least a thief has an entire build devoted to being a quick gib setup, whereas a mesmer can run this setup and have…

1)Instant 10k AREA BURST with more for single target.
2)Portal for control over home point and middle, allowing to contribute in contested team battles.
3)Time warp to give a team area HASTE for 10 seconds for quickness stomps and quick kills.
4)The best duelist in the game.

And people wonder why mesmer is required on every team….

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Nice non-rebuttal. I wouldn’t mind thief burst getting nerfed either, its just hilarious listening mesmers try to justify this. They bring so much more to the team other than their damage, which is in many ways more insane than thieves. The only thing they are lacking in is on demand mobility, otherwise you’d be seeing 3 mesmer teams dominating every game.

then let’s not argue on the fact that mesmers need to use different types of skills to actually be useful and your complaining about that fact.

condiments.8043:

However you try to justify it this is ridiculous. At least a thief has an entire build devoted to being a quick gib setup, whereas a mesmer can run this setup and have…

1)Instant 10k AREA BURST with more for single target.
2)Portal for control over home point and middle, allowing to contribute in contested team battles.
3)Time warp to give a team area HASTE for 10 seconds for quickness stomps and quick kills.
4)The best duelist in the game.

And people wonder why mesmer is required on every team….

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Morrigan.2809:

warrior is boring, roll a mesmer

don’t be cruel pve as a mesmer is like living in hell with a dry well right beside you.

where’s my dolphin form?!

I found myself laughing as he went right into the middle of those illusions. That’s dumb thief was waiting to be mindwracked

It’ll actually make pve more fun and more enjoyable as I think of chasing those dam vamp…er moas! This honestly isn’t gamebreaking if it’s on a short cd or longer duration I want to immerse myself into norn culture and their naturistic religion

I thought I’d be able to shapeshift for a long time not 30 sec lol, if I knew that from the beginning I would’ve just chosen human. Wish they lower the cd to 30, it’s not like it’s actually that useful. It might even help lowbies enjoy pve.

Most of the post on mesmers and other “OP” classes are due to ignorance. I’m a clicker and I still manage to beat ppl 2 v 1.. it’s really a l2p issue or I just have more skill than those players. Get some more experience with your class…I had to go through tons and tons of builds just to see what benefited me the most. I hardly ever loose 1 v 1 unless I’m trying out a new build. People need to time their skills and use a strategy to beat me. Not just for example ( steal BS) that doesn’t usually work on me. Why? Cause you’ve been doing it for 2 months, did you think I won’t learn from this? Seriously I barely loose 1 v 1 anymore, but that doesn’t mean I never loose. I still find the ocassional ranger, thief, warrior, necro, mesmer, engineer, or guardian who actually outplay me. Not because of their burst but because of their skill.

P.S. I don’t use the burst spec everyone’s so fond of. So please don’t generalize.

I’m a clicker and I still manage to beat ppl 2 v 1.. it’s really a l2p issue or I just have more skill than those players. get some more experience with your class…I had to go through tons and tons of builds just to see what benefited me the most. I hardly ever loose 1 v 1 unless I’m trying out a new build. Seriously I barely loose 1 v 1 anymore, but I still find the ocassional ranger, thief, warrior, necro, mesmer, engineer, guardian who actually outplay me. Not because of their burst but because of their skill.

Mufa.1326:

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Mufa.1326:

What thief could have done is ‘predict’ how mesmer is going to react and then dodge before proceeding with his burst.
Note that ‘predicting’ what other player is going to do and take action in advance is completely different than ‘reacting’ to what he is doing.

But that doesnt aply to Steal+CnD too ?
U never seen it coming (no cast bar or any kind of indication of his right hand moving from range ) just a small poison that can stay for 30 sec and u have to predict how the Thief will behave and dodge accordenly

1. steal+C&D does not take you 100%-0. Not eating backstab (and heartseekers) is a matter of reflex. So you do not need to dodge steal+c&d you need to stun break and dodge backstab and heartseekers.
2. poison does 100 per sec if done to you by burst build. So you have plenty of time to remove the poison without suffering any significant dmg from it. Posion duration is irrelevant (and poison from steal is 10s, not 30s), it is relevant only for the first few seconds where it requires you to clean it before you apply heal. If you let poison sit on you for 30 seconds you are incompetent and have no place posting in discussion like this.

the theif was a dumbazz he went right into the middle of those clones, where I might add a smart mesmer would do an aoe. MW isn’t instant either, the clone have to run to you to explode. unlike steal+bs that’s a one two button instant press. It’s a learn to play issue.

The teleport back skill(the one where you set a circle on the ground that teleports you back) gives stealth as well. I don’t know if it’s a render issue due to sudden teleportation but it’s there and it’s also giving them perma stealth if done consecutively

I’ve had similar battles with those bunker type elementalists but in everyone of them I was victorious. I’m not bragging but simply stating the fact that they can be beaten. In spvp I ran a bunkerish build that let me slowly but surely kill them it’s kinda hard to explain since that bunker build got nerf with the recent patch. But in wvwvw I use a confusion build that makes them kill themselves everytime they attack. I just let my clones get killed instead of shattering them and when they’re around half health I shatter them and give them the max amount of confusion I can give them (usually around 6-8).

how do you macro? In other games you can macro stuff but here I never really saw an option to macro anywhere

when you dodge a shatter dodge forward into it, twice even. The pressure is always on mesmers since we’re always standing between life and death in a delicate balance. If you’re a necro that circly thing you have ( shows i never played necro) is what I dread the most cause too many dots kicks my kittenshnizzle.

We are the number 1 most hated class this month, good going guys! Yea just scrolled over to spvp forum and we seem to be gettin lots of complaints. Just wanted to say keep up the good work!

Ross Biddle.2367:

Nueshak.2437:

Ross Biddle.2367:

GS love their range. Blink in real close, mirror image, spawn some clones, and shatter up some hefty confusion. Goodbye power/crit/glass build.

A sound strat if you were fighting anyone other than a mesmer. I think we can all agree we tend to be the smarter fighters in this game because our class is like driving a high performance sports car with stick shift. Those who master it end up really looking great, those who don’t will grind the gears.

We are very mindful of what stacks on us at what time. I have no problem stopping my attack for 6 seconds and letting confusion wear off.

Your response makes sense if the confusion mesmer only has mind wrack for shatter confuse, and/or a sceptre. My build keeps those 6 stacks of confusion (or more, realistically) constantly. Also if you dont put all your eggs in one basket, you can deal good damage AND have powerful CD. So stopping to wait for the confusion to end is… well a dead end.

The gist of the response is, for a GS mes keep the close quarters pressure on.

what’s your build for confusion? I’m playing around with confusion builds atm and seeing which I like best. If you don’t mind posting your build I’d be grateful. thx