Guild Wars 2

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Bellok.4180:

You guys are looking for good behavior in a video game that supports violence, and talks about genocide against a certain race. I just want to point that out. Do you guys realise how silly this sounds? Let’s go kill someone, and then drink tea and discuss philosophy afterwards. That makes sense.

We’re not looking for anything. We’re merely pointing out what ArenaNet’s policies are.

As analogies go, that’s not a particularly strong one. But to entertain it for a second, you’ve obviously never been in the military and dealt with officers. There are many that expect enlisted men to behave in ways that you would consider ridiculous, for exactly the same reasons you cite. And yet those conditions exist, and they exist in a real-world example of the scenario you present, rather than trying to stretch the analogy to videogames.

I spent 4 years in the navy repairing RADAR on F-14’s, and 2 years teaching sailors how to repair cryptographic electronics on board ballistic missile submarines. I am currently employed at Boeing, which deals with the military on a regular basis. The military is different, you follows rules because they will save your life. Following rules for a video game EULA is different because it is not life saving, and those rules in my opinion are always open for discussion.

I can promise you that some butterbar coming out to my position and demanding my boots are clean when I’m knee-deep in mud constantly is not going to save my life. Perhaps my experience in a combat platoon in the Army differs a bit from yours as a Navy technician.

Corporate rules are always open for negotiation. And the corporation who set the rules may always exercise their right to impose the consequences for the rules as set, and “give your suggestions the due consideration they deserve.”

Bellok.4180:

You guys are looking for good behavior in a video game that supports violence, and talks about genocide against a certain race. I just want to point that out. Do you guys realise how silly this sounds? Let’s go kill someone, and then drink tea and discuss philosophy afterwards. That makes sense.

We’re not looking for anything. We’re merely pointing out what ArenaNet’s policies are.

As analogies go, that’s not a particularly strong one. But to entertain it for a second, you’ve obviously never been in the military and dealt with officers. There are many that expect enlisted men to behave in ways that you would consider ridiculous, for exactly the same reasons you cite. And yet those conditions exist, and they exist in a real-world example of the scenario you present, rather than trying to stretch the analogy to videogames.

Bellok.4180:

That’s the problem, ANet’s policy on profanity is not realistic.

Seems perfectly realistic to me. It’s entirely possible to play a videogame without using profanity.

Now, it may not be possible for YOU, but it’s certainly possible in general. And if you don’t have enough self-discipline to stop swearing, you can expect to suffer the consequences.

Bellok.4180:

It’s simply not realistic to expect someone to have the same standards as you, because we are all different, and we all have different standards.

But it IS realistic to expect everyone to adhere to the standards set by ArenaNet. If you don’t, you’ll suffer the consequences.

I have the same problem. My partner and I play on separate computers in the same room. We’re on the same server. Last night, for example, I’d been queued for WvWvW for 30 minutes. She queued at that time (for the same Borderlands I did, but 30 minutes later), and she got into WvWvW 10 minutes before I did. She also only waited about 10 minutes, while my total wait time was 50 minutes.

Bellok.4180:

Gnivil.5789:

Wait, short outbursts of rage? Well here’s what I got banned for (I think), I was RPing in a tavern with some people, demons attacked, I said “What the (F-word)?” Really worth a 14 day ban there…

I agree, that does not deserve a 14 day ban. If that is exactly what you said that caused you to get banned.

If you got a 14-day ban, it wasn’t a “short outburst”. It was two separate incidents.

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Bellok.4180:

In the real world most of the time isolated events, meaning short outbursts of profanity and such will not get you banned or kicked out of any restaraunt or any other public place as long as the short outburst does not escalate into something worse. Yet this is what’s happening in game. I would understand if some moron was repeatedly saying offensive things over and over again, but most of these bans don’t have to do with this, it’s the short outbursts. Seriously get a life, don’t act like you have never cussed, or said anything offensive before. Everyone has, who are you to judge someone else?

In the real world, if you were in an establishment that had a clearly posted “no profanity” rule, and clearly posted consequences for violating that rule, and you proceeded to curse, you would be subject to the posted consequences.

Just like in GW2.

I have yet to see such a sign posting no profanity.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/ . Rule 1.

CalvinHobbes.3541:

mcl.9240:

The real issue here is that the people getting banned for poor behavior don’t believe their behavior was wrong, and this is the root of their complaints regarding the bans.

It reflects poorly on them, and on their upbringing. They seem to assume that everyone is (or should be) like them, and that they should tolerate that sort of behavior.

It’s appalling that some people have so little respect for themselves and others these days that they’d behave like that in a public space.

To be honest it’s the people in the world that want to ban anything and everything they disagree with that I find highly offensive. And before you make your self righteous assumption, I’m not even someone that uses obscenities in public.

Then why did you give ArenaNet your money, if you disagree with their policies? The rules of conduct were available before game launch.

Bellok.4180:

In the real world most of the time isolated events, meaning short outbursts of profanity and such will not get you banned or kicked out of any restaraunt or any other public place as long as the short outburst does not escalate into something worse. Yet this is what’s happening in game. I would understand if some moron was repeatedly saying offensive things over and over again, but most of these bans don’t have to do with this, it’s the short outbursts. Seriously get a life, don’t act like you have never cussed, or said anything offensive before. Everyone has, who are you to judge someone else?

In the real world, if you were in an establishment that had a clearly posted “no profanity” rule, and clearly posted consequences for violating that rule, and you proceeded to curse, you would be subject to the posted consequences.

Just like in GW2.

ArenaNet have repeatedly stated here and elsewhere that the existence of the profanity filter does not give you permission to curse.

@Pukka: True. This article is a good (albeit shallow) overview of the issue: http://lifehacker.com/5785420/the-only-secure-password-is-the-one-you-cant-remember

One of the problems here is that an unique password is not sufficient.

“test123” and “test124” are unique passwords. They are both horrible passwords, however.

“Jvnm6GFLtkFjoHShQ9GT” and “s1HnIbrHzDmh9b0Y1tlr” are also unique passwords. And they are strong: they are length 20, and entirely random. Note that both length and randomness are pre-requisites for a strong password. Simple substitution (e.g., “3gr355” for “egress”) doesn’t create a random password, nor a strong one. Password cracking software these days can trivially do the same types of substitutions on dictionary words.

The real issue here is that the people getting banned for poor behavior don’t believe their behavior was wrong, and this is the root of their complaints regarding the bans.

It reflects poorly on them, and on their upbringing. They seem to assume that everyone is (or should be) like them, and that they should tolerate that sort of behavior.

It’s appalling that some people have so little respect for themselves and others these days that they’d behave like that in a public space.

bowlin.4693:

mcl.9240:

bowlin.4693:

Why did they put in a medium and high chat filter in the game if they ban people for inappropriate language? Why, oh because they have to put it in the terms and services so they can have any and every reason to ban any player, take them away from the game. I’ll probably be able to confirm if Arena Net gives me logs of all servers All/Map chat/ any chat logs that 95% of any players has said inappropriate language once in their time on GW2. Why aren’t they banned for 3 days?

I understand that children or sensitive adults don’t enjoy swearing or “un-tasteful” behavior, but hey guys….There’s a filter. A filter so you don’t have to see any profanities! If someone is mad at you and is throwing bad boo boo words at you, guess what! Click that high filter button and you’ll be seeing —-—- all day and your clean mind will be saved.

Don’t be jacka—es and report people because they said a bad word. My ban was for racial slurs, yes I did use a racial slur, yes it could have easily offended someone. Yet the manner in which I was using it was in pure jest in a PvP match with only 10 in the audience. The one who said “reported” as soon as I said the word N***a proceeded to “troll” me after I destroyed him 500- 100 in a tournie match. This was a mad boy who couldn’t care less about the context of the word, and probably wasn’t offended in the slightest but wanted to be the new biggest internet sensation troll 2012.

Is your argument here that you truly believe you shouldn’t have received a ban for uttering a racial slur in public chat?

Actually my “argument” is that the “moderators” should really look into the situation rather than just a ban for safe measure.

So you believe that there is some “situation” that makes using the N-word acceptable in a public chat in a videogame?

I made a post about this this morning: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/BUG-Mobs-and-players-suddenly-appearing-pop-in/first#content

bowlin.4693:

Why did they put in a medium and high chat filter in the game if they ban people for inappropriate language? Why, oh because they have to put it in the terms and services so they can have any and every reason to ban any player, take them away from the game. I’ll probably be able to confirm if Arena Net gives me logs of all servers All/Map chat/ any chat logs that 95% of any players has said inappropriate language once in their time on GW2. Why aren’t they banned for 3 days?

I understand that children or sensitive adults don’t enjoy swearing or “un-tasteful” behavior, but hey guys….There’s a filter. A filter so you don’t have to see any profanities! If someone is mad at you and is throwing bad boo boo words at you, guess what! Click that high filter button and you’ll be seeing —-—- all day and your clean mind will be saved.

Don’t be jacka—es and report people because they said a bad word. My ban was for racial slurs, yes I did use a racial slur, yes it could have easily offended someone. Yet the manner in which I was using it was in pure jest in a PvP match with only 10 in the audience. The one who said “reported” as soon as I said the word N***a proceeded to “troll” me after I destroyed him 500- 100 in a tournie match. This was a mad boy who couldn’t care less about the context of the word, and probably wasn’t offended in the slightest but wanted to be the new biggest internet sensation troll 2012.

Is your argument here that you truly believe you shouldn’t have received a ban for uttering a racial slur in public chat?

Aris.7492:

I’m stil “lol-ing” at the Fleshlight stuff, priceless. My question is, what delinquent even KNEW what a “Fleshlight” was, enough to consider it offensive and inappropriate….

All I know it that it’s a single letter away from “flashlight”. So if I mistype “flashlight” I may get banned.

I think these kind of bans shouldn’t be automatic, because words have a context, and words in different contexts have different meanings/connotations. Not to talk about possible mistypes (b an f are not that far away, so I may type the F word instead of buck, and all it takes is 10 people who don’t like me/are bored to get a ban).

Also, I don’t think swearwords are offensive by themselves, it’s the way they’re used that can make them offensive. Of course, this would require a manual method. An automatic system is much cheaper. I’m puzzled that some people approve this.

ArenaNet have stated repeatedly that there is no automatic system in place for bans based on reports.

Godmoney.2048:

Exactly Touchofred. I wasn’t trolling anyone by mentioning a fleshlight. I even got several reply’s loling in chat. I was just joking around and being gross.

3 day ban for using poor taste is extreme. I can honestly say I have never seen a company this ban happy as a 36 year old gamer who grew up with the original atari. I’ve been playing pc games since King’s quest and Leisure suit larry and I’ve never seen the sheer amount of ban’s this company is doing over trivial violations.

I have no problem restraining my future behavior to play GW2. I do have a problem though with a 3 day ban for such a innocent joke in a mmo.

You’d think that I had a racial argument for 10 minutes with someone in chat. All I did was pipe in with a single joke after someone else mentioned a Flesh light.

It got the point across, though, didn’t it?

You’ll think twice before acting in poor taste in a public setting in GW2 again.

TouchOfRed.8359:

mcl.9240:

TouchOfRed.8359:

Sol.3296:

Bellok.4180:

Its fine for having to deal with your mistakes, however generally the public can take care of that. If a person is vile enough in chat then most likely he/she will get a reputation within that community. With my experience at least in mmo’s communities for the different servers become tightly nit and usually don’t associate themselves with these people making it hard for that person to find friends, etc. Thus making the game not fun for that person because of the way he/she acted.

I completely agree that is the appropriate solution but that just simply doesn’t happen, I’m sorry. Time and again I create a separate chat pane without trade, area, map etc so that I’m not bombarded with nonsense and turn it on when I need it for LFG or similar. And it is no different in any MMO I’ve played. The problem is that these people are acting completely different on the internet than they would IRL. Ignore them all you want but they have no issue finding others to play with or pay $20 to server transfer and start again.

This just shouldn’t have to be the case and I’m glad that someone is taking an active stance for once saying that ‘no, this should not happen and if you act like a tool then you’re going to pay the price’.

Trolling is different from the minor cases that we’re bringing up in this conversation though. We’re not talking about someone swearing and insulting people and trying tokitten people off. We’re talking about people who used a swear or ‘inappropriate’ word (god forbid you hear or see one in a game or movie, right?) in a completely unoffensive context, not directed at someone else. I used some directed at NPC’s, in friendly conversation with some people. Still got reported and banned for 3 days. And again, if that’s how they want to run their game, then so be it. But they’re going to lose a lot of people like that, me included. It’s a video game. I don’t play it to be a tightwad and watch my mouth like I have to at work.

So you think everyone who plays the game should be fine with your antisocial behavior because you don’t feel like behaving yourself in a videogame setting?

First of all, antisocial implies I do not talk to people, which is the wrong way to use the word, but I do understand what you’re saying.

And there’s a few things wrong with your argument. Has someone ever done something that has made you mad? How many of those times have you dealt with it and let it slide? Or do you persecute every single little squabble that comes your way? I know I wouldn’t have been able to get through my life if I’d have gotten bothered every time someone swore and made a big deal out of it. I’d probably make big deals out of other little things too. It’s so not worth it, and so easy to ignore. So no, I don’t expect everyone to be fine with it. But I would expect them to be able to tolerate and not turn it into a huge deal if they’ve reached that level of maturity.

And I honestly don’t feel like composing myself in a video game setting. It’s the same way I don’t feel like composing myself around my friends, and I doubt you take the time to treat your friends the same way you do your boss. Video games aren’t work. I’m not going to act proper, I will miss a period at the end of a sentence every now and then, and I’ll probably swear a few times a day too. It’s a video game. This isn’t an interview. I want to not care, to be stress free, and just relax. I’m not saying I’m going to harass people, but if I say “This boss is a *”, I would hope people wouldn’t get riled up. How do you go to the movies? How do you play any other video game, acting like swears are a big deal? How do you go through life?

Most of the people in this thread supporting Anet’s bans don’t understand that we aren’t trolling people. We weren’t harassing anyone, spamming, instigating. In fact we are very distinguished from them, we were being more comfortable and relaxed. And honestly, if I was in a party with you, and you asked me not to swear, I’d stop.

But that’s the problem. No one asked me to stop. I would have, otherwise. I just got this nice little ban out of nowhere. It’s inconvenient for me, and it’s inconvenient for Anet too. I would completely understand this if I was harassing someone, or if I was actually directly insulting anyone. But that’s not the case.

If you want to swear with your friends, do it in small groups or in guild. Do not do it in public chat.

And someone did ask you not to swear: ArenaNet, in their rules. You chose to ignore those rules, and discovered that ArenaNet is strict about them.

Actions have consequences.

TouchOfRed.8359:

Sol.3296:

Bellok.4180:

Its fine for having to deal with your mistakes, however generally the public can take care of that. If a person is vile enough in chat then most likely he/she will get a reputation within that community. With my experience at least in mmo’s communities for the different servers become tightly nit and usually don’t associate themselves with these people making it hard for that person to find friends, etc. Thus making the game not fun for that person because of the way he/she acted.

I completely agree that is the appropriate solution but that just simply doesn’t happen, I’m sorry. Time and again I create a separate chat pane without trade, area, map etc so that I’m not bombarded with nonsense and turn it on when I need it for LFG or similar. And it is no different in any MMO I’ve played. The problem is that these people are acting completely different on the internet than they would IRL. Ignore them all you want but they have no issue finding others to play with or pay $20 to server transfer and start again.

This just shouldn’t have to be the case and I’m glad that someone is taking an active stance for once saying that ‘no, this should not happen and if you act like a tool then you’re going to pay the price’.

Trolling is different from the minor cases that we’re bringing up in this conversation though. We’re not talking about someone swearing and insulting people and trying tokitten people off. We’re talking about people who used a swear or ‘inappropriate’ word (god forbid you hear or see one in a game or movie, right?) in a completely unoffensive context, not directed at someone else. I used some directed at NPC’s, in friendly conversation with some people. Still got reported and banned for 3 days. And again, if that’s how they want to run their game, then so be it. But they’re going to lose a lot of people like that, me included. It’s a video game. I don’t play it to be a tightwad and watch my mouth like I have to at work.

So you think everyone who plays the game should be fine with your antisocial behavior because you don’t feel like behaving yourself in a videogame setting?

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Halmo.8619:

mcl.9240:

Halmo.8619:

mcl.9240:

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Block lists generally have a limit on the number of people that can be blocked.

Right-clicking on player names doesn’t always work (in WvWvW, for example).

Neither the “ignore” feature nor the profanity filter are excuses for poor behavior, as stated several times here and in other venues by ArenaNet staff.

but you see it’s also poor behavior for blocking someone, and then reporting them for some sort of temporal outburst. You are acting like you have never had an outburst of your own. Everyone acts poorly from time to time, that includes you. Should I follow you around and wait for your outburst to happen and then /report you?

I simply cannot fathom why it is so difficult for some people to comport themselves when in a public setting, whether that’s at the mall or in the public sections of a multiplayer game.

Reporting someone’s poor behavior isn’t poor behavior. Quite the opposite.

Try and report me for cussing in the mall. If it’s an isolated incident they’ll probably just laugh at you.

If you’re wandering through the mall cussing at strangers, I can assure you no one will have to report you. You’ll be taken into custody and escorted off the property.

No one swares at random strangers even in the game. They sware at:

1. Friends
2. People they are argueing with.

You never see someone just walking around just calling random people names, it doesn’t happen.

If it’s in public chat, it’s going to everyone, regardless of who you it was intended for.

Ya but if its not directed to you mind your own business, pretty much how the world works.

In this game, however, it ruins the utility of the general chat feature.

It does not, from my experience these incidents are far and between which should make it manage able for you.

They should not exist in the public channels at all. If you want to have a private conversation with someone, use /whisper.

Halmo.8619:

mcl.9240:

Halmo.8619:

mcl.9240:

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Block lists generally have a limit on the number of people that can be blocked.

Right-clicking on player names doesn’t always work (in WvWvW, for example).

Neither the “ignore” feature nor the profanity filter are excuses for poor behavior, as stated several times here and in other venues by ArenaNet staff.

but you see it’s also poor behavior for blocking someone, and then reporting them for some sort of temporal outburst. You are acting like you have never had an outburst of your own. Everyone acts poorly from time to time, that includes you. Should I follow you around and wait for your outburst to happen and then /report you?

I simply cannot fathom why it is so difficult for some people to comport themselves when in a public setting, whether that’s at the mall or in the public sections of a multiplayer game.

Reporting someone’s poor behavior isn’t poor behavior. Quite the opposite.

Try and report me for cussing in the mall. If it’s an isolated incident they’ll probably just laugh at you.

If you’re wandering through the mall cussing at strangers, I can assure you no one will have to report you. You’ll be taken into custody and escorted off the property.

No one swares at random strangers even in the game. They sware at:

1. Friends
2. People they are argueing with.

You never see someone just walking around just calling random people names, it doesn’t happen.

If it’s in public chat, it’s going to everyone, regardless of who you it was intended for.

Ya but if its not directed to you mind your own business, pretty much how the world works.

In this game, however, it ruins the utility of the general chat feature.

Halmo.8619:

mcl.9240:

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Block lists generally have a limit on the number of people that can be blocked.

Right-clicking on player names doesn’t always work (in WvWvW, for example).

Neither the “ignore” feature nor the profanity filter are excuses for poor behavior, as stated several times here and in other venues by ArenaNet staff.

but you see it’s also poor behavior for blocking someone, and then reporting them for some sort of temporal outburst. You are acting like you have never had an outburst of your own. Everyone acts poorly from time to time, that includes you. Should I follow you around and wait for your outburst to happen and then /report you?

I simply cannot fathom why it is so difficult for some people to comport themselves when in a public setting, whether that’s at the mall or in the public sections of a multiplayer game.

Reporting someone’s poor behavior isn’t poor behavior. Quite the opposite.

Try and report me for cussing in the mall. If it’s an isolated incident they’ll probably just laugh at you.

If you’re wandering through the mall cussing at strangers, I can assure you no one will have to report you. You’ll be taken into custody and escorted off the property.

No one swares at random strangers even in the game. They sware at:

1. Friends
2. People they are argueing with.

You never see someone just walking around just calling random people names, it doesn’t happen.

If it’s in public chat, it’s going to everyone, regardless of who you it was intended for.

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Block lists generally have a limit on the number of people that can be blocked.

Right-clicking on player names doesn’t always work (in WvWvW, for example).

Neither the “ignore” feature nor the profanity filter are excuses for poor behavior, as stated several times here and in other venues by ArenaNet staff.

but you see it’s also poor behavior for blocking someone, and then reporting them for some sort of temporal outburst. You are acting like you have never had an outburst of your own. Everyone acts poorly from time to time, that includes you. Should I follow you around and wait for your outburst to happen and then /report you?

I simply cannot fathom why it is so difficult for some people to comport themselves when in a public setting, whether that’s at the mall or in the public sections of a multiplayer game.

Reporting someone’s poor behavior isn’t poor behavior. Quite the opposite.

Try and report me for cussing in the mall. If it’s an isolated incident they’ll probably just laugh at you.

If you’re wandering through the mall cussing at strangers, I can assure you no one will have to report you. You’ll be taken into custody and escorted off the property.

Bellok.4180:

mcl.9240:

Block lists generally have a limit on the number of people that can be blocked.

Right-clicking on player names doesn’t always work (in WvWvW, for example).

Neither the “ignore” feature nor the profanity filter are excuses for poor behavior, as stated several times here and in other venues by ArenaNet staff.

but you see it’s also poor behavior for blocking someone, and then reporting them for some sort of temporal outburst. You are acting like you have never had an outburst of your own. Everyone acts poorly from time to time, that includes you. Should I follow you around and wait for your outburst to happen and then /report you?

I simply cannot fathom why it is so difficult for some people to comport themselves when in a public setting, whether that’s at the mall or in the public sections of a multiplayer game.

Reporting someone’s poor behavior isn’t poor behavior. Quite the opposite.

Block lists generally have a limit on the number of people that can be blocked.

Right-clicking on player names doesn’t always work (in WvWvW, for example).

Neither the “ignore” feature nor the profanity filter are excuses for poor behavior, as stated several times here and in other venues by ArenaNet staff.

The login servers appear to be down right now.

It would appear the login servers are down.

Bellok.4180:

You see people, this goes both ways, you can’t have ArenaNet be ban happy, and not have potential customers who are looking into the game not have room for concern.

There are also those customers (who I’d argue are much larger in number) who typically avoid MMOs due to the childish and immature behavior allowed in them by the companies that run them. Those consumers may well welcome these actions and view them as a breath of fresh air in the MMO community, and flock to ArenaNet in droves.

Bellok.4180:

This whole thing is silly. People who use lousy language need to grow up, and people offended by it need to grow up and just block the person and go on their way. It’s taking far too much effort to go through and witch hunt all of these people down and give them 14 day bans. The end user agreement is directed for those that purposefully abuse the chat with non stop rubbish, not for those that say something you deem unacceptable, which is purely subjective.

The end user agreement is directed at whoever ArenaNet decides it’s directed at. It would seem clear from ArenaNet’s actions how they interpret it. It seems prudent to behave accordingly.

GaileGray.9587:

Right. We have a lot of people who need help, but we should dedicate people to hand-holding with giving warnings? Really? The warning comes through the User Agreement, the Rules of Conduct, and the Conduct Breaches and Outcomes. Become familiar with them and the problem is solved.

I wholeheartedly support this strong stance by ArenaNet. Thank you for caring about the vast majority of us who do not care to see this type of behavior in-game.

You’ve got the interface text set to “small”. This is a problem several people have already reported in various threads.

So, as long as you’re on a server where everyone knows instinctively what they’re supposed to do, there’s no problem.

But if you’re on a server where they don’t, you shouldn’t expect any sort of coordination, or attempt any (by the way, ‘coordination’ != ‘zerg’; I have no idea why some of you are interpreting it that way).

In short, if you’re on a server that’s not full of PvP guilds, just don’t bother with WvWvW is what several of you are saying.

That’s not very helpful.

The point is that the developers changed something on 9/1 that adversely impacted the number of mobs or players on screen at one time even though they’re well within LOD.

This change makes it very difficult to play PvE or WvWvW.

Thanks for your input, Dragoon, but this is a thread about a very specific bug, not about suggestions for changes to WvWvW.

It’s not just an issue of immersion: It causes death in PvE from mobs we can’t see, and makes things like WvWvW almost unplayable because we can’t accurately assess the number of enemy present.

For example, jump down off a wall into the battle when you see your team against the wall and only 2-3 enemy fighting them. Only to discover just before you die that there are not 2-3 enemy there, but instead 20-30. Not out of LOD range, but right there next to you; they just weren’t being drawn.

I’m not sure if this is a bug or not, but certain crafted items (e.g., earrings, rings) do not stack. This creates a big problem when trying to craft multiples of these items.

@setch: Yes. if you are in a subgroup BEING DIRECTED TO DO SO BY AN OVERARCHING LEADER it’s good for your team. The key word there being “team”. My point was that there needs to be — MUST be — one leader coordinating the actions of an entire server. He or she may have other people autonomously coordinating smaller groups, but they take their marching orders from the one person in charge.

If your entire server’s concept of WvWvW is “me and 5-10 friends are going to roam around the map attacking whatever we feel like”, wandering into a match consisting of nothing but that is pointless. It’s a waste of time, it’s a waste of resources (any your server has spent erecting defenses), and if you somehow managed to get an orb or two earlier in the week, it’s a waste of that effort.

For example: The other night, I was in WvWvW. There were 6 different people all making seaparate and at time contradictory orders for various groups of people, leaving almost anything we held, including our garrison, woefully undefended and without any supplies whatsoever. We were constantly overrun at any location we held because these 6 people couldn’t or wouldn’t coordinate their efforts at all. One would take a location and call for help, while others were desperately trying to hold another location against ridiculous odds. Both were lost. And it went like that the entire night. Groups would occasionally manage to push back the enemy’s small skirmish units…all the way to their holdings, and get killed. Or they’d be lured into chasing a small group of enemy into a much larger ambush.

In short, a completely uncoordinated mess with zero strategy and very little comprehension of battle tactics.

And they spent the entire night bantering back and forth, trying to figure out why they couldn’t hold anything.

There was a thred on is in the forum bug section. They’re aware of the problem.

I’m hoping we will get some feedback on this issue. If not, perhaps it should be moved to the tec support forum, even though I truly believe it to be a game bug.

Here’s a tip I’d love to see more people take to heart: don’t run off and do your own thing, either by yourself or with friends. There is nothing less fun than joining WvWvW and seeing nothing but 6-8 unorganized groups all doing whatever they want in /team, and then all coming up with various excuses for why the server is being trounced so thoroughly.

Try to identify the person who is in charge of coordinating everything, and do what they say. If there does not seem to be any such person, nominate someone. WvWvW only works well when everyone on the server plays as a single, cohesive unit. When everybody’s just in the zone to kill mobs, stage pointless raids where you’re massively outnumbered, and generally lulzing it up, it’s incredibly frustrating.

Not to mention a huge waste of resources for those people willing to spend money to build siege weapons and improvements.

Every so often, when I visit https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum , I’ll see one or more forums listed in a foreign language (e.g., French or Spanish).

Just now, I clicked on the (English-description) Tech Support forum, but all the threads were in German. The URL in my browser still showed “forum-en.guildwars2.com”.

This is happening sporadically, and is rather annoying.

I hope you get some solace from filing that, but you should be aware that the BBB is a voluntary participation system and it has no legal leverage whatsoever.

If you actually want action to be taken, you should file a complaint with the office of the Attorney General of your state. But please be aware that they’re unlikely to take any action whatsoever with a single complaint.

Larosh.1605:

I also think an auto-kick method should be implemented for who is AFK-ing to long in WvW.
I often see lot of people simply standing there for a long time near the entrance portals that could make room for active players.

It already exists. If you are idle for too long in WvWvW, you get a warning that you’ll be kicked in 60 seconds, and then you get kicked if you remain idle (there may be other warnings as well. I didn’t notice, because I got distracted by something in real life and moved as soon as I saw the warning. In fairness, I was on the walls of a garrison waiting for enemy attacks).

I also received an in-game mail advertising gold for sale, and don’t know of any way to report them.

I just received my first in-game mail advertising gold selling last night. I’d also like to know a convenient way to report these people.

I’m glad that ArenaNet recognizes the vast market of people that stay away from MMOs due to the immature behavior present in them. Unlike things like XBox Live Voice Chat, which one can simply disable and ignore without detracting one iota from the game being played, it’s difficult if not impossible to avoid some of the more egregious forms of in-game harassment in MMOs (obscene, sexual, or otherwise offensive character names and harassing chat).

As @Soothsayer said, these people have been allowed to get away with far too much for far too long, to the extent that they now expect to be allowed to behave like that in an MMO.

I’m proud to have given my money to ArenaNet, and I hope all the people who avoid playing MMOs due to the lack of maturity exhibited by a great many players will see that ArenaNet is drawing a line in the sand regarding this sort of behavior.

I’m happy that this sort of thing isn’t tolerated in GW2, and that there are severe consequences associated with it.

@InterSlayer: Nope, it would seem to be independent of the videocard type. It’s definitely some tweak ArenaNet made recently, probably in an attempt to improve performance..

Uc Night.8290:

pretty soon people are gonna be too scared to use map chat. Or even log into the game since people are getting banned because their accounts have been hacked. Honestly I may just wait until they fix all their systems before I play anymore.

Good. Maybe then I can go back to actually having map chat viewable by default. As it is, I turn it off in most MMOs (including this one) due to the extreme level of immaturity exhibited by those who tend to actively participate in it.

I’d like to add my voice to those in support of ArenaNet for taking a firm stance against those who harass, belittle, insult, or otherwise attack others via the various chat features in the game. The presence of a profanity filter is very much NOT a license to curse, as has been stated by ArenaNet in the past. If you can’t manage to express yourself in a civil manner around total strangers, it’d be best not to say anything at all.

About 50% of the time, when I fire things from a trebuchet or catapult in WvWvW, the object will begin its arc away from me, and then hang in the air just after apogee for a few seconds. Then it’ll blink out of existence and be replaced by the splash damage animation on the ground.

I’ve seen exactly the same problem. I’ve also seen it in PvE. I made a post earlier in this forum about it: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/BUG-Mobs-and-players-suddenly-appearing-pop-in/first#post4322