Guild Wars 2

Maladon.5760:

oxide.8324:

Seems very few people here actually read the dev post about the new matchmaking system and understood the maths behind it. There is an adjustable limit which prevents servers with significantly different ratings from playing each other, so you won’t be seeing T8 servers or even T3 servers playing T1 servers anytime soon.

What you aren’t understanding is that the ratings aren’t going to be “significantly different” for very long. Higher tier servers will give up points to any lower tier server they are matched with. All server ratings will move closer to one another no matter how the matches play out.

I didn’t speculate over what would happen in the longer term, only the short term.

Either way, lower tier servers won’t come remotely close to beating higher tier servers when they do get matched up, and the higher tier servers won’t give up many points. Even if it does become a problem Anet can easily adjust the base variation to make lower tier servers get matched up less often with higher tier servers to fix it.

Seems very few people here actually read the dev post about the new matchmaking system and understood the maths behind it. There is an adjustable limit which prevents servers with significantly different ratings from playing each other, so you won’t be seeing T8 servers or even T3 servers playing T1 servers anytime soon.

Masamoon.3864:

So basically, you confirmed what I stated. Whatever TS you were using before = too small. Got it, nice attempt at flamebait. if your old ts was truly capped at 512 and always capped out on reset + highly used throughout the week, then yes, it’d be ranked, the sites aren’t biased. DDoS portion wasn’t even aimed at you, it was aimed at everyone. I’m not qqing, either. You need to learn how to read and rage less too for that matter.

So, I suggest YOU stop your childish attempts at a flame war, take YOUR kittening else where and chill the kitten out.

Uhh what you don’t seem to realise is that the website SoR people are using to backup the claims of “#2 TS in NA!!!” only shows servers that are added to it. It isn’t an exhaustive list of all TS servers.

LetoII.3782:

BGna being able to spend their timezone defending friendly properties kept you green.
And also why you’re so far behind the skill curve. Had it easy and it shows

What skill curve?

Jahn.7019:

People like to think they are special when in reality they are not.

It’s amusing how much of an uproar BG’ers made from getting banned from SoR’s TS.

It’s not an exclusive club(or maybe it is the way you guys are making it out to be), it’s just a voip, and there are no lack of other ones to congregate on and be friendly with opposing servers if that is your desire.

I agree with this. No idea why such a big deal was made about it.. there was a clear conflict of interest.

Kaimick.5109:

Just a score update taken from LL

eww high graphics settings

Aurust.8961:

oxide.8324:

Zen.8497:

aelflune.8590:

Yeah, we can’t really complain, although it makes the whole SoR shtick about looking for good fights look lame as well.

SoR is looking for good fights but that can only happen if your opponents meet you halfway. Bring it on and we will have only good fights.

we do have good fights

To bad the only way we have been getting them is to ease up a bit and let them cap some stuff so they don’t get completely demoralized.

Or did BG actually think the score was this close for real?

gosh sor must be full of really skilled players :O

Zen.8497:

aelflune.8590:

Yeah, we can’t really complain, although it makes the whole SoR shtick about looking for good fights look lame as well.

SoR is looking for good fights but that can only happen if your opponents meet you halfway. Bring it on and we will have only good fights.

we do have good fights

I just watched half of a [HL] zerg wipe to oil….

Run with a zerg, preferably one lead by an aggressive + experienced commander. When fighting enemy zergs use aoe skills or multi-target weapons/skills and try to tag as many players as you can with ~1k damage (1-3 hits) and move on.

Go fill up SoR so that they stop calling BG and JQ stacked

The funniest part is that it has taken many eles this long to figure out that this is possible.

Offski.4897:

Ahh such a shame they fixed seige

You can say that again. Now FEAR can continue with their usual shenanigans :<

CuddleStrike.8215:

Score Update!

With my WARD and SF friends!

Many <3’s to you guys!

p.s.

But seriously, everyone leave BG BL alone already! YOU MOSNTERS

that’s one scary charr :O

Doomdesire.9365:

I would actually split it into 4 different timezones

NA, Oceanic, Asian, Euro

There is only 2 hours difference (3 during DST) between Oceanic and Asian so effectively it’s no different to East/West coast US. They shouldn’t really be treated separately.

Avenge.1478:

Incoming movement

BG: WM, RISE, Meow, MERC, ND, BT
Result: 3rd place

SoR: Iron
Result: 1st place

You can say iron “carries” or whatever, but even when you’ve consumed 6 other guilds you still struggled to place 2nd.

Well BG did come first the two weeks after RISE, WM and MEOW (think they are dead now, haven’t seen them in WvW for a while) transferred.

The reason why SoR climbed to first is the coverage IRON provides, enabling SoR to control the EU timezone in addition to NA (i.e. 2/3 of every day instead of 1/3 like they used to).

Aurust.8961:

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IMPORTANT NOTE*** A possibility does exist that SOR does have a much more dedicated group of wvw players compared to overall population AND that they are of much much higher quality ( again i say much much because of the massive margins of victory).

Large winning margins are not a valid reason to conclude that SoR’s players are of higher skill. In fact, player skill has almost no bearing on anything besides 1v1s and very small scale fights. Coverage, player numbers and coordination are the only factors of any significant importance when it comes to ‘winning’ WvW. SoR’s recent success can be only be attributed to the arrival of IRON, who are easily the largest and best coordinated EU guild on any NA server. SoR climbed to 1st when IRON arrived because it gave them the best overall coverage (EU and NA, meaning 2/3 of every day they have the highest PPT) while JQ and BG are only strong during 1/3 of each day during SEA timezones.

talks too much imo

Love the strategic WvW downtime during SEA lol, no points for us

salluks.6017:

If JQ and BG pve population doesn’t play WvW, its not their fault,
from personal experience on desolation(most populated EU server, by far!) i can tell its much easier said than done to get them involved, pve’s get demotivated too fast.

People , please stop posting “full” comments at the drop of a hat. it has nothing to do with WvW at all!!!

Yay a person who isn’t stupid

renmei.3102:

Snorcha.7586:

a bit more even? – not sure if serious, bg and jq have outmanned on pretty much every map at every timezone yet you have q’s… LOL

Welcome to NA Tier 1? JQ and BG being on “full” status most of the day yet unable to field enough for WvW (if true) sounds like an internal problem.

Every T1 server has this problem (SoR included), it’s just fair weather players. Several weeks ago when JQ and BG were winning SoR wasn’t fielding half the numbers that they have been recently.

When playing engineer and using grenades on a zerg you kill yourself very fast to retaliation, it’s pretty crazy lol..

Raven Paradox.1860:

You make a good point. The thing I love most about TW is the lack of fear they have, and the belief they have that they can win any fight. Most guilds run. They only run when it’s suicide and nothing more to fight.

They must be brave!

bl sor on that sammich @ sor bl hills :O

Azure.8412:

oxide.8324:

Pvp.2758:

My server will destroy both of your servers.

Well no one is showing up so enjoy fighting doors

Why aren’t anyone in BG showing up? SoR was no different a few weeks ago when you guys were PvDooring to 1st place. Why just disappear after we get 1 guild? Come on… thats a horrible mentality. Don’t give up BG! You guys surely can put up a better fight than this.

I don’t know, there just seems to be very few pugs (JQ is the same too). It appears that a fair few WM players split off and made another guild too, which has perhaps hurt the numbers and coordination in our strongest coverage zone a bit more.

SoR may have got only 1 guild, but an EU guild is easily worth much more it terms of PPT than a bunch of NA or Oceanic guilds (as has been demonstrated, first, by WM’s EU overtime, and now by IRON). Of course it doesn’t help that FEAR still feel the need to blatantly kitten when they are already winning.

Pvp.2758:

My server will destroy both of your servers.

Well no one is showing up so enjoy fighting doors

Just play thief like every other unskilled roamer who needs a forgiving, easy mode class to survive when they do dumb things.

phabby.8945:

barrage.1089:

the only guild that wont run from a fight these days is wahas crew which is annoying cause im usually not on to get his lootbags

ohh this one makes me lol, you don’t “Farm” Waha’s crew they farm you.
Your 20-40 you say you have would be wiped by their 60—100 crew and pugs

Ohh MERC , never run either and we give Waha’s crew a battle everytime that is respected from both sides perspective as the hardest match ups in t1 .

Try and get your guild to stay up late and have a crack at what is possible the best wvw guild on at any time and see what Merc deals with every nite , it would surprise you to see them in action

Strictly speaking, biggest =/= best.

Hoots.9564:

Jet.4795:

SoR you cant say you have been through all of this yes you logged on to 400+ and T3, however we did not have 30-40 people waiting on every border. Not taking away your credit don’t think I am please. I am just saying if you want fights your not going to find them that often if those people cant make progress on a map.

Your right, we had it much worse. We logged in for 7 weeks of 0 ppt and fully sieged T3 keeps in T2 with BG’s zergs waiting, and yet we managed to pull the lead back every single night. Resilence is the word I’m thinking of.
Edit- it was actually 11 weeks

FEAR is the word I’m thinking of.

barrage.1089:

i have spent more time trying to chase ppl down than actually fighting you guys. all we want is to fight you guys if you would actually fight us out in the field then we wouldnt have to root you out of the towers and keeps but you just turn and run as soon as you see any of the tags of our major guilds

Welcome to being on the winning server, I see you’re new to this. When people are outnumbered they aren’t going to fight you in the open field just to feed your megazergs lootbags.

Ultimaistanza.4793:

Cirus.5748:

Well that’s very disappointing, the borderland that you’ve been defending all night is lost because of technical difficulties.

I take offense to that. We put hard work into making all your structures paper and to simply pass all the credit off to Anet for your bl loss is simply rude.

Hard work? Probably more like FEAR taking out every arrow cart with their usual shenanigans and then the few people actually defending can’t do anything to stop you.

phabby.8945:

Kiltor.9362:

Kryyg.8576:

LetoII.3782:

" The first 2 days of this matchup were quite exciting. I think it’s fair to say, SoR in general loved the double team and we thrived in it, it was very exciting. BG and JQ did a fantastic job Friday and Saturday just concentrating on us, today however that focus is gone. We humbly ask that moving forward you guys renew that focus and continue the double team, do not attack each other, just SoR. Yes, I am asking you to concentrate and just attack us for the rest of the matchup, we really do not care what place we come in quite frankly, but we want the action to be non-stop and exciting.. Lets make the rest of this matchup one to remember"
-Indo

Well I think this is a first, a server asking to be double teamed.

Be careful what you wish for.

with all do respect to BG and JQ we just would like to end our time together with epic fights rather than siege wars.

someone forgot to tell JQ sea ATM that sor were the target , they just seen red and got their blood lust on last nite, which is strange for Atm given sor held mostly everything and they had a full map zerg.

we were so out numbered yet we did wipe them a few times , then Wahaa must of had his secound coffee and then got organised , then no more wipes But anyways I had fun holding bg garri , and the fight for hills was just epic,till the land of nod called me in

Great battles as usual ATM ,it is so much fun playing against you guys.( now go pick on sor they have asked you tooo lol

cheers Phabby

Lol, waha loves fighting us too much to hit SoR and I don’t blame him. Our fights against ATM are always good fun

VitaminK.2517:

oxide.8324:

salluks.6017:

Maybe u should see SOR BL, this guild ATM doesn’t seem to run with less than 80 people and 3 acs the moment they see 10 opponents and lagging the whole map..

but thats fine i guess

Lol the irony.. The SoR zerg that took bay on BG BL was even bigger than ATMs, I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen a bigger zerg in all my time playing this game.

You really hate SoR, don´t you?

Not at all

salluks.6017:

Maybe u should see SOR BL, this guild ATM doesn’t seem to run with less than 80 people and 3 acs the moment they see 10 opponents and lagging the whole map..

but thats fine i guess

Lol the irony.. The SoR zerg that took bay on BG BL was even bigger than ATMs, I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen a bigger zerg in all my time playing this game.

vluhd.7562:

If anyone from RISE is still running their mouth, please let the officers know so they can be promptly kicked. We don’t need that sort of thing.

SoR guilds don’t kick their trash talkers so I wouldn’t bother kicking yours

classic .___________________.

Jyeoi.6027:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gUFpn3zy6o

oxide.8324:

SoR burnt out from all that PvD overtime?

Does this look like burn out to you? Lol

Don’t think I saw a single enemy in that vid ._. IRON has it tough

Oh I know you’re getting 2v1’d just testing the water for SoR fishies lol

Good fights

SoR burnt out from all that PvD overtime?

Coming last = more loot bags from defending

Enjoying it a lot actually

tl;dr of last 10 pages anyone?

Jang Gun best current commander, hands down

I was bluffing :p

Plz don’t stop attacking BG’s EB keep JQ and SoR, we are bathing in loots bags

Kryyg.8576:

That being said, their forum warriors need to take it easy, they don’t do their guild rep justice. I know they don’t care either way but just my opinion.

agreed

FractalChaos.6539:

Numbers win WvWvW. Nothing I have seen during SoR’s rise from 17th to 1st place in North America has shown me otherwise. Bring far more people to a fight and more often than not, you will win. Bring far less, and you might win, but more often than not…no.

Right now, both Blackgate and Jade Quarry are losing because they’re slacking off. Your servers are both freaking full. Sanctum of Rall is not, not now and not even during our vaunted North-American prime time.

Please don’t insult the intelligence of the forum goers by pretending that you’re “undermanned” and the only way you can now right the ship is by sucking up even more guilds into your bloated ranks. Mobilize your PUGs and motivate what you have rather than…what am I saying.

They’re just gonna recruit more people… =\

SoR didn’t have much luck motivating their casual players when they were stuck at the bottom of T1 for so long, what makes you JQ/BG are any different? The casual players look at the score and if their server isn’t first they won’t play. No amount of effort from the community’s part will change that. Get off your high horse.

Zhrek.9781:

Hence the reason BG/JQ should not be crying FOUL, for SOR getting a guild and JQ/BG should not be giving up. SOR still came out fighting, seems to me JQ/BG are giving up without fighting, although when SOR was in the same position they kept fighting and not crying foul. Point being less excuses, more pew pew.

JQ/BG aren’t giving up. What you are seeing is the difference made by SoR having T3 structures with maxed supply from EU+NA when heading into Oceanic.

Zhrek.9781:

My GOD SOR, wtf recruiting guilds? Only BG is allowed to do that. SOR has lost many guilds to BG, but HEY the 1 they got makes everything unbalanced, too funny

If you actually read my post you would know that I was encouraging SoR to recruit Oceanic/SEA guilds.

Here, I’ll quote it for you.

SoR should have recruited Oceanic/SEA guilds to defend their NA’s work and remain competitive during those timezones instead of taking the easy road by recruiting EU guilds to PvD for ~8 hrs a day, every day.

Fixeon.5076:

Funny… Wasn’t it just a few weeks a go Merc and WM were playing during EU time to take advantage of the lack of EU coverage in T1 NA? Iron comes to SoR and gives them competition and now SoR is stacked and is breaking t1. I am sorry BG, you now have to put in effort for your PPT and it is not just handed to you on a silver platter by the PvD gods.

Both of BG’s recent wins were from mid-late week comebacks and almost entirely due to the overtime by Merc/WM/etc (look at the graphs: Week 17, Week 18). Oceanic/SEA guilds playing into EU to PvD is not sustainable in the long term and SoR’s EU recruitment was a knee-jerk reaction to this which has damaged the balance of T1 more than it has actually helped.

With SoR’s first win they were on top from start to finish (Week 19) and this week is starting to look like it will be no different (Week 20), but we shall see. SoR should have recruited Oceanic/SEA guilds to defend their NA’s work and remain competitive during those timezones instead of taking the easy road by recruiting EU guilds to PvD for ~8 hrs a day, every day.

Fixeon.5076:

But I for one think that for once T1 is fairly balanced. Iron fields around 30-40 people + rallians as I understand it. Merc/WM easily have 30-40 + pugs. JQ might have a bit of a weak point in EU with just 20-30 RK + quarians (i think that is what you call your pug force?) But honestly that sounds fairly balanced to me. Everything else is the same it was 2-3 weeks ago when BG was in 1st.

How is that balanced? WM is a SEA guild and can only manage push into EU time 1-2 days a week at most (and only if gaining the lead is achievable). IRON on the other hand is EU and play during that time every day.

Fixeon.5076:

As for the rest of you complaining about SoR’s NA coverage. I can’t help but laugh. Tell me something. How does it feel to have paper walls and gates while everything we have is t3? That is what we have had to deal with every single day.

Oh poor you, that’s what JQ and BG’s Oceanic/SEA players had to put up with every day as well.

In hindsight SoR should have recruited Oceanic/SEA guilds so they could remain competitive during those timezones instead of throwing the scoring out of whack by recruiting EU.

scootshoot.6583:

@MagiKarp, none of this will matter in a few weeks anyways as it sounds like Anet’s (developer post) new ranking system will ensure new opponents (rotations) quicker over their present glicko system.

Playing new opponents will be a refreshing change no doubt but it won’t solve anything. Tier 1 will just be SoR in a league of their own, crushing every other server, mostly due to them having a large organized EU presence where all other NA servers have little to no EU.

The server lag in wvw is really starting to get annoying, it wasn’t even this bad on reset :/