Guild Wars 2

Hahaha.. I actually guessed there might be some talk like this afterwards.. Due to the fact that we wiped you more often than you would have imagined. But yea ZD was way harder to fight last night maybe because of skill lag or whatever. It was horrible from the beginning to the end.
We were no more than 35 of us. You are just having hard time admitting that even with massive skill lag we were actually good. Clearly better than you thought

Absolutely awesome fights against ZD’s and RG just now at deso border. Some skillful playing there and tough moments. You wiped a lot – as did we. So fun.

You lost hills to vs only to defend bay from us and not wondering why. Quality fights over few points, that’s the spirit!

We are just too scared to fight you guys outside our primetime that’s all! Please forgive us for making t1 uninteresting by playing only when we are able to actually gain some points!

You see, that works in both ways.

This capping conversation is really a never ending well. I’d rather talk about horrible skill lag ruining game experience than the less important things. Oi, anet!

Desiderius.7259:

Lots of fun yesterday evening on deso-bl. Unforgettable 40+ Sneak-Attack on the Garrison, while deso-zerg was camping the ice worm.

Ya, nice fights on both sides! As you may have seen we do it karmatrain style this week with minimal upgrading and zero scouts Glad you had your fun too, so did we!

hugemistake.5317:

Deffe.2967:

jaxom.7469:

we are leading in peak times
we are fighting in open fields
we are kicking out guilds that cheat

As far as i have seen you havent done single of these things.

Sorry Deffe but you’re just wrong We are not always leading in peak times of course, but we are are certainly not always losing.

I think he meant that if it were for peak times only when your opponents are as strong as you, you would not win every matchup Nobody said VS don’t know how to play. Actually theres quite lot of compliments to you guys about your playing, but you seem to focus ignoring them. The thing there IS said a lot in forums is your superior numbers which no server can match this rate and that is the main reason you are winning.

Theres two reasons why vizunah is the best server in EU at the moment.
1) WvW is a point capping game. Vizunah is clearly the best server in this one. Some may say it’s boring to play against but hey it gets the job done.
2) Quantity over quality. At this moment Vizunah has the biggest WvW playerbase coverage over time. Better coverage -> more points.

In t1 every server has decent amount of coordination and skills so no need to mention that. Those two things = Winning. No insults here to anyone but the cold facts everyone should know. There’s no arguing about it

Very interesting. Dunno if this is good thing though. The bigger your win is next week the higher you are ranked. No matter if opponents are good or bad. In tough tier 1 you finish 3rd and you get to pvdoor weaker servers for weeks until you are again where you belong to..

Only a WvW player knows this topic is pure gold and is still completely ignored by moderators

Dayra.7405:

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Yes that could very well be the case. If we would get in second place this week, we could still drop to t2 and stuck there for a while. Ironically second best server after two weeks drops to lower tier. This is where the point calculation system does not work properly. We do not drop a tier because we can’t hold out in t1 but just because of the annihilation happening in tier 2. Same kind of thing happening in t9. RoS is only barely getting upper tiers next week after dominating their tier for two weeks in a row.

At first I thought it was simple system, Winner goes up, loser down. That would bring some fresh air to a matchup every week. The points calculating system is usually a good thing but theres exceptions like these.

I’m more disappointed in not facing Piken Square than dropping a tier. Facing elona would be great too but let’s wait for the week to end. Almost everything can still happen.

Sacrx.6721:

Nice movie. Enjoyed Votf wipe, even though there was some AC help killing them. It showed there one trick pony drop everything tactic. Survive 3-5 seconds vs votf and then they will fall over. Crowd control frontline, roll out way and avoid main line. I miss fighting both. look forward to future battles hopefully.

Yes this is the HC playing where tactics are greatly involved. Playing in these fights can be absolutely awesome. Theres just one but. Culling.
These fights are nice as in this video KAZ vs VotF when you can see enemies. When you can’t, well..

Hi Mike, I also have to thank you for nice answering in this topic. I would like to, too, ask you few things and maybe bring up some points and hopefully constructive feedback.

In this topic there was already some discussion about not leaving WvW if one does not want to. I’m one of those. Here is few things why this does not apply in my opinion and I hope your team would take these things under consideration.

Loot
- Ascended gear is not available in WvW at the moment if I’m right. That thing I think is clear to everybody that it must change.
- WvW loot is nothing compared to PvE loot. You could say that you never get to loot anything worth wearing or worth money compared to PvE. I have never looted anything exotic and believe me there’s few hours I’ve spent on the WvW fields. I’m not actually even sure if we can get exotic loot from WvW. I’ve looted rare loot about 10-20 in these past few months since prelaunch.
- Loot droprate is too low. We don’t usually get much loot and if we do it’s almost 100% sure crappy gear/weapons/crafting materials etc not worth much money.
- Loot quality is too low.

Money
This thing should too be clear to everybody.
- When we die we must pay repair bills. In WvW we die a lot more often than in PvE excluding instances. There is no “instances” in WvW as there is in PvE to get much money. It is always same steady, low, income.
- Upgrading. Upgrading costs a lot of money. In WvW you just can’t get that much money to pay the upgrading bills. When we use few gold to upgrade our stuff it can be overrun and all the upgrades and money spent are gone forever. We must start upgrading again which again costs too much.
- Again loot. When we get some money from loot it is not enough. It is enough to pay repair costs if you don’t die too often but it is not nearly enough for upgrades. Even when selling all the junk we get.

WvW money – Badges of Honor
- If you are not huge dps class you will not get enough lootbags. If you don’t get lootbags you don’t get badges. When you get bags there’s too rarely badges in it.
- Badge items are expensive. They cost a lot of badges which are very slow to get.
- When you finally have enough badges the badge items are monotonous. Always power/vitality/toughness and no other options. That type of gear is suitable for only minority of us.

I don’t know what the patch in february includes but I think culling is the biggest concern in WvW at the moment. These things are smaller but still very important to change in my opinion. Are these things above in your knowledge? Are you going to change them in the patch? At least some of those? Are you going to bring these things up in one of your meetings?

I’m sorry about the negativity of this post but I thought these thoughts would be good to be mentioned in the thread finally getting attention by mods.

ethier.3417:

Anyway, here are some fights from last night in EB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rjidD-RP7Nk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RRVpMNR-VEM

Nice videos. Especially liked the two same scenes votf attacking ER zerg on both videos recorded by different players. Where Jackie went ahead and did huge aoe dmg Grandmaster and rest of the group followed and also did aoe damage. No wonder after only few secs there was a lot of downed people. Really looking forward to meet you next week

ethier.3417:

Anyway, here are some fights from last night in EB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rjidD-RP7Nk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RRVpMNR-VEM

Nice videos. Especially liked the two same scenes votf attacking ER zerg on both videos recorded by different players. Where Jackie went ahead and did huge aoe dmg Grandmaster and rest of the group followed and also did aoe damage. No wonder after only few secs there was a lot of downed people. Really looking forward to meet you next week

Heh, hold your horses everyone. Let’s not take things too harsh. I still don’t have anything against AS, still one of my favorite servers. If you haven’t seen it’s just the two forum warriors rampaging here from AS, Wothan and Jomg.

I have to give credit to mos and opt, skilled guilds and nice tactics. Actually the only guilds from AS who have had my attention.

Very good video. Nice musics but the sound quality though was disturbingly bad even at 1080p.
The dmg you can do with one skill to multiple players around in few secs is awesome. WvW is a point capping game but I have to admit that these open field fights are just the best. Hope to see you on battlefields next week!
I have to say I’m jealous about your culling in the last scene. My screen would have showed just the five enemies for atleast 10 secs longer to me. No wonder I’m checking the level of grass too often. The biggest flaw in the game imo.

Jose.9741:

You’re my hero a door can’t beat you

Why would you start whining about that? If you don’t have the night time numbers like you used to have when arborstone was actually a potential server theres no need for flaming others. It’s not like we would let you have some free keeps out of pity and tick +200 at night just to make it close match.
Seems arbostone isn’t the server it used to be and it’s a shame, it was one of my favorite. Well it still is. Too many good players stopped playing, too many forum warriors did not.

Seems we might go up next week, not sure if I like it. Didn’t expect elona to drop this soon. Would’ve been nice to see kodash but it’s nice to see SFR too.

Well the fact that BT commander is here on deso to recruit players is completely new thing to me, I’m stunned. What we did was to start a topic at the forums, for example, that deso is looking for players and guilds but I did not see this thing coming. I don’t like this new style.

Again ontopic: Still thrilled about this matchup and waiting the next week to come. AS and BT gets players back and hopefully we too. This weeks matchup could be very misleading with the holidays still on.

So hold your horses ya all warriors there on the fields and here on forums.

Scouting random players from enemy server? Sounds very low. I’m quite disappointed hearing news like these.

Ontopic:
As I have said earlier, Desolation only lacked numbers. Getting and staying in t2 with players only to two borderlands is not easy. Yesterday for a long time we got two borderlands queued at primetime and people in all four. I was happy. But then I was amazed: For a little while we even had 3/4 borderlands queued! Again looks like good results made by WvW players lured some fairweather pve players roaming around.

Nice matchup we have here, good servers against each other. We all still have to deal with the holidays but next week should be normal again. Looking forward to it

BAEK.8561:

Most of the time (something like 90% of the time), my server (blue) gets double teamed in Eternal Battlegrounds. Some say the terrain encourages both red and green to attack blue, while discouraging red and green from attacking each other. Others say terrain isn’t the issue and instead, the two servers (green and red) are just trying to 2v1.

How does your EB look? Is it mostly green and red focusing on blue lands? or can it be assumed that the two servers we are facing indeed are intentionally trying to 2v1 us?

I posted an attachment to show what I ALWAYS (no joke) see whenever I check EB map.

Without knowing which matchup are we talking about that screenshot tells me this:

Blue does not have enough players to defend anything but the keep. Green and red are just taking out the easy points and at the moment with blues low player amount just holding their own territory. Maybe there’s no more drama than that

I think with this a bit short term test the culling is much better for me. I run WvW with 15-30 fps at ‘best performance’ settings/lowest graphics so we are not exactly talking about new computer here.

Thank you anet for the effort! Even though this is only a smallscale fix. I’m really looking forward to the actual WvW improvements in february if we would finally have something new to WvW.

Troll or not I’ll answer. We don’t have enough people. At primetime we usually have players for only EB and one borderland. Simple as that.

Just to be clear here is few things:

- Ruin has moved to Blacktide. Any whining about NA players nightcapping in EU ladder please correct them to BT from now on haha.
- Remaining Ruin players in Desolation are recruits originally from deso or in few very very rare cases NA players just wanting to stay here. You can count the amount of them by using your fingers. My guess is soon they switch guilds from ruin to some other originally deso guild so soon you won’t see ruin tags anymore on deso.
- Heard rumors that Ruin is going to switch to Planetside2 when it is released. (20th november)

Considering all this I think Deso is doing pretty well this week. Few guilds are taking break, we have no night time presence coz Ruin left and since general morale is down fairweather players have gone back to their caves. We are now the server we used to be in tier 3 except the fact that we have improved ourselves. The borderlands in which we have decent amount of players we have no difficulties to score points no matter who we face.

PS.
One thing:
- Iron is as strong as ever. I’m an ally and not a member of Iron so I’ll speak of what is in my knowledge. Rumors of them disbanding or whatever is complete nonsense. Their ex guild leader left taking with him the website, teamspeak server, stole money in paypal account and the gold in guildbank. Teamspeak servers etc everything is back and in action again. Now Iron is gathering up resources again and still has the full support of all its allies. Theres no pieces to pick up since no permanent harm is done. This has made Iron even stronger guild.

HabibLoew.2590:

tl;dr: data centers are on different continents, latency is an issue with intra-continental connections, data center distinctions are here to stay.

The only thing we are asking is to be able to play against each other and not exactly merge the ladders. I’ll try to define it more clear: To create one big serverpool. NA players in NA would have their data center, EU players would have theirs. Only to be able to face each other and not erase data center from some place.

The latency between data centers aren’t that bad as you seem to be believing. Nobody could blame the lag or even feel the difference when playing intercontinental matches. Yet nobody has whined about the lag even when EU players are playing in NA servers or the opposite.

Please consider it again and put up a beta test for it. I would gladly test it out!

I see your concern. That argument is invalid though. Blaming Desolation for having different timezone players. You can’t escape them. They will always be involved in a 24/7 fight. There have been different timezone players before Ruin came. That is why one international ladder without flags would be good. All could choose to have as many timezones covered as possible or then just put up their own night/morning team and be burned out. I like to sleep and have my personal life besides the game.

Xanti.8672:

satkis.7021:

Blacktide
You guys have been climbing up the ladder like nobody else.

Reading this as a player from Miller’s Sound hurts a bit:D

We started as 26th into the 1 week matches and are currently 8th and leading with 8k points in our new match up against Baruch and FS (I know we havent had a primetime yet, but still..^^)

26th -> 24th -> 23th -> 21th -> 19th -> 17th -> 13th ->8th

Hope to meet you guys from Top6 soon.

Sincerly
Xanti

I should have defined top6 after my sentence to make it more clear that I was talking about the top6 servers at the moment. Now we have new top6 servers since FS did what I feared and gave up. Times change and FS is history in EU top servers. For now. Nice job on Miller’s keep it up!

Gwal.2813:

@satkis
ANet said wvw was a 24/7 battle, not that you had to bring worldwide people to get this coverage. Otherwise, what was the point of an EU ladder in the first place ?

If Deso wanted a worldwide 24/7 coverage, they should have gone to the USA ladder.

By bringing NA guilds in EU ladder, they are denying competitive interest in the ladder for all the localized server (FR/ES/DE) which represents 50% of EU ladder.

About double teaming : have you seen the income graphs ? It’s pretty obvious there isn’t any alliances going on like last week end…

As I said before: One big serverpool would be the right thing to do. No crying no whining just 24/7 fight as it was supposed to be from the very beginning. So far French servers have done good job. They won last week and even if AS gets kicked out of t1 I wouldn’t see VS dropping very soon. Again: Equal top 6 servers would be mind blowing. Each one could drop to t2 and then rise again.

Aysnvaust.7046:

Thanx for the encouraging words, satkis, just let me add a small correction:
Fakt is, we do have three ladders at the moment.
NA, EU and International/worldwide, which still has to be announced officially by ANet.
I do not mind this at all, I truly wish all the best to all servers, just wanted to mention it

Very interesting! But I still think the best solution is to make only one ladder not three. That would end up having one “superserver” on each ladder dominating. Too many ladders allows too few players to have too many choices.

And of course SFR is good at their primetime. There are Finns!

Toubzsky.6087:

It’s hard to say EU top 6 when one of them is an US server :/.

I’m good at ignoring things I don’t like. But this time I’ll make an exception and answer to this post. I may be naive but I’m hoping this answer makes things a bit more clear to you all.

In one of the previous topics there was nice answer from a certain Ruin player. He said that their numbers in a good night is ~80 players. As our brother Boromir said “One does not simply walk over other servers with that amount of players.” Or something like that. Desolation is not dominating tier 1 as many of you predicted. Hell, we aren’t even leading the scores! This matchup has been very classy and so much fun to play.

At this point you should have realized that your post is unreasonable. Ruin is not having 2000 players outplaying you at EU night times as many of you have stated it. You say it out loud here on forums knowing yourselves that it isn’t true.

It would be very interesting though if Anet would publish the queues for each server from each week. And maybe the total player amounts playing.

Arenanet has clearly stated that WvW is a 24/7 fight. In a perfect server there would be EU, US and Asian guilds. I bet Anet have laughed their kitten off reading all whiningposts about this “issue”. It’s not an issue it’s a feature meant to be like this!

OFFTOPIC:
Ofcourse the internationalizing of servers could become more or less an issue for national servers but so far so good. It being this way at the moment you national servers in first and second tier have done excellent job about it.

If we would have only international servers without any kind of flags germans, for example, would find themselves most likely from the same server. There would not be unbreachable barrier for them to work together with english speaking players and guilds even if you don’t speak the same language. There is always somebody who can speak even a little english and communicate with each other if there is something to communicate. Or somebody to speak a little german. We can’t avoid the situation that english is the most universal language there is.

With this one I agree with some of you. My opinion is that there should only be one big pool of servers without timezones. Ofcourse geographically local US servers for US players etc but we all should be able to face each other. I have been wondering which server was the best few weeks ago, EU top Vizunah Square or US top Henge of Denravi. In my opinion the lag is a pitiful excuse for this not to be done. It would not affect playing that much. You could barely even feel the difference. There are some players outside from both US and EU playing the game without major lag issues.

Oh and weren’t servers transfers supposed to cost something? That doesn’t sound so bad. I don’t know why PvE players should be able to jump servers. Once in a month sounds good!

Greetings from Finland! Hi everyone, this is my first forum post ever and all writing incoming is from my opinion only. This topic is made in good spirit to cheer you all up. I’ve read some worries and complains about servers internationalizing and this “capping” happening. This all IS happening so read this below.

I think you should not worry at all. At all.
Let’s start with the two French servers:

Vizunah Square
You guys have been at the top since the beginning. You have a massive amount of players, very organized guilds, amazing tactics and the night/morning time presence needed. You have it all to be on top and that is the reason why you are there. You have nothing to worry about for the future, just keep it up and keep it still improving.

Arborstone
Same as above. It is amazing how one country can have two this good servers with those attributes listed above. You have already won VS. If you really want it and can still keep on improving yourselves you can do it again and again. We are dealing with two perfectly equal French servers here.

Elona Reach
You won last weeks tier 1 match. Unbelievable. Then you dropped straight to t2. It was amazing that last weeks winner, the best of the best, could drop to second tier matchup. That proves two things. 1) You absolutely have what it takes to be on the top. 2) The top 4 servers atm is amazingly equal powered.
You must absolutely not give up at this point, and I’m certain you haven’t, because you may very well be the t1 winner again in few weeks.

Far Shiverpeaks
Everyone knows how strong you are. Your so called “primetime” forces are incredible. I’m not wondering why you have been in t1 for so long. Now, don’t break it. Don’t leave the ship. The ship of yours is nowhere near sinking. With a little “offpeak” hour improvements or getting a little aid from US, for example, you guys are in t1 again. No doubt about it.

Blacktide
You guys have been climbing up the ladder like nobody else. Guaranteed t2 place at the moment and strongest candidate to t1 after Elona. In my opinion of course. You have massive primetime forces and very strong and skilled guilds. Only a little to do to gain the strength to be competitive in tier 1. To you aswell, keep up the good work and I’ll see you hopefully in t1 after few weeks.

I for myself am playing in Desolation. Played since prelaunch. Me with my little guild from Finland am cooperating with Iron Teamspeak alliance and helping our server to be the best at uphills and the downhills. I was playing in tier 1 with FS and VS when we had 1 day matches. I played when Desolation was at it’s bottom in midtier 3. I never planned to change servers and can’t imagine the situation where I would leave this server. Now we have American aid and with EU players improving themselves we are in t1 again. And if you ask me we have earned the place to be there. I don’t mind Desolation dropping to tier 2. Only if the reasons are you guys improving yourselves SO much. The situation where all top 6 servers are equal is my wet daydream.

I appreciate you all. All of you playing there and making it this fun. And yes, I said I appreciate the players playing. Not the whiners whining here on forums. But hey even the whiners are nice people sometimes. When they’re asleep that is.

To all still reading this: Keep up the GOOD WORK! Don’t be fairweather players and leave your servers when the situation is at it’s worst.

Sincerely yours,
Satkis [KLMA],
Desolation
Norn (ranged) Guardian, The immobilizing monster!