Guild Wars 2

lordkrall.7241:

Lach.7031:

ANET has about one year to give us wvw’ers some love before Camelot Unchained comes out (a game for pvp’ers) that will drain lots of their wvw players.

Clock is tick tick ticking…

Do you actually think that CU will be released in about a year?

It is of course also worth pointing out that it will require a sub (as far as I remember). I also seem to recall people claiming the same about ESO, and yeah well. WvW is still very much alive.

Actually, once you get out of the top few tiers WvW isn’t alive, in fact it is quite dead on many tiers/servers apparently.

I will say I agree on your semantics argument about very few people only playing WvW. They might only WANT to play WvW, this game just doesn’t let them ONLY do that due to poor decisions by ANET and the mechanics in place.

As far as CU, the first beta isn’t too far off, maybe this year (maybe not, but I can hope)…I’d play that game in beta since i’ve sat and watched others play it in alpha. Their beta version will probably top gw2’s three years of live WvW beta. Let’s face it WvW has always been in beta here… However, if not, it wont be much worse. The subscription, yeah there is one, depending on how much money you spend up front, so that might be a concern for some.

Zera.8907:

Am I really left with going to empty T4 and above to roam? I don’t want to leave a populated server regardless of how zergy it is to join a less zergy server in hopes of roaming but not have anyone to roam against lol. Honestly I think there may be nothing that can be done at this point for roaming. I’m hoping the expac changes things a bit due to how big the map is.

If T 4 is empty then there is zero hope for WvW and no expansion will make a difference for more than a short span of a few months. I knew T8 was a ghost town, but if it is true on T4 as well, then best to find a new game cause GW2 WvW is on it’s way to a slow and lingering death. Companies don’t like to put money into a dying project.

I think some people are reading WAY TOO MUCH into way too little.

There will always be hackers in WvW at every tier; quite simply, because ANET allows them to be and won’t safeguard against it. They think it takes too many resources and their upper management is too into LEAN management to care.

Personally, I have moved off of servers that had too many hackers as i didn’t want to be associated with them.

Kaiser.9873:

Junkpile.7439:

I don’t see problem. If you wanna fight go EotM. If you wanna PPT and play map tactic go normal WvW.

Except outside of a few commanders EotM is not a fighting area. Even when a guild groups goes into EotM to find fights they get berated by their “teammates” for derailing the train.

Who cares what EoTMers think, they don’t care about us. I think the WvW crowd should all dump into EoTM and take it over for a week. The map is suppose to be a WvW map after all. Screw their trains. We should all pile in and go fight it out or destroy the ktrainers.

What is worse is when before an enemy attacks your side, …….mysteriously big upgrades are started on all your towers/keep/garrison so you have no supply left to defend with. Interesting how it happens more times than not when certain enemy guilds are out….hmmmm, i’m suspicious.

Look, the big suits don’t want to see that 4-6 of their servers have low population. That is a great way to get yourself fired. Sure, an individual dev didn’t screw it up the big wigs themselves have the final call.

The upper management screwed things up and they are ponying it off on some poor underpaid schmuck who is just trying to stay afloat and off anyone’s radar so his life isn’t made anymore miserable by some Beavis. So he made the lowest tier medium and can show them some algorithm they won’t understand that gives them the answer the Beavis’ want and keep the poor dev’s head off the chopping block.

coglin.1867:

wyther.8372:

Blackarps.1974:

Without discrediting any of those invited, if it was a true stress test, they would be inviting the top GvG and WvW guilds and manage the numbers accordingly. There are some guilds that pull 30 players a night. Then there are some GvG guilds that pull a good 20 a night. This would allow for plenty of stress on the servers while also balancing the map and figuring out any places/features that just don’t work.

I like how we talk about low numbers like 100, 30, 20 stressing a server…and yet other games coming out, still in early alpha are holding 1800+ characters in a WvW area.

Wooo, go anet…<laugh>

And?

They are not out. Nor is there evidence yet, that they will run well. Not to mmention thay they actually break those 1800 down, either between multiple maps, or segregated zones with load times.

Actually, same map and same area in one location and server didn’t break so they are going for 2600 next time …just to clarify.

Rewards should go to the losers for having to put up with being outnumbered 90% of the time and still toughing it out.

Aeolus.3615:

Before patch i could hold 1 thief(for some time while help was at is way) with mace/shield except those plesky p/d teleporting machines :P, now i use GS WW to blend them easilly there is no true balance since every class can burst each other at the first second best tactic is output damage(it is a little bit mindless game), i dont know what kind of iteration anet is doing, but so far game looks like it is in beta state, and getting worse….

It is a bad thief who can’t just dodge that attack and get out of it’s way. However, I agree the game seems to be reverting back to a mid stage beta.

Doesn’t matter who is in tier 8, Ioj, SF, kain etc. That server will destroy the other two, devona will destroy ET.

The only good thing is playing against odds helps you learn to play. Even odds, those on ET tend to destroy their opponents. Dev is a little better, but whatever the blob server is they get demolished even odds.

I have said it a bunch, to get better you have to play against better opponents or be fighting at much worse odds.

You can’t 30 v 5 and expect to get anything but sloppy which is why the top tier 8 servers people go down so easily.

Blackarps.1974:

Without discrediting any of those invited, if it was a true stress test, they would be inviting the top GvG and WvW guilds and manage the numbers accordingly. There are some guilds that pull 30 players a night. Then there are some GvG guilds that pull a good 20 a night. This would allow for plenty of stress on the servers while also balancing the map and figuring out any places/features that just don’t work.

I like how we talk about low numbers like 100, 30, 20 stressing a server…and yet other games coming out, still in early alpha are holding 1800+ characters in a WvW area.

Wooo, go anet…<laugh>

Rynter.3975:

I’m in a guild with over 200 active members, and the whole reason we’re in GW2 is WvW.

Waiting on Camelot Unchained…..

Omg same here. From the looks of it CU has most of what I have been looking for. Time will tell, but I’ll give any company a chance who is willing to take one like they are.

First, it might be possible what happened to the OP in certain, but very rare circumstances. Thieves can still output a lot of damage and not all thief builds are equal. Nor are all opponents builds equal. Just because a guard can have a lot of armor/health doesn’t mean any particular person actually has it.

However, the whoa is me thief crap really needs to stop…..
When a class is so powerful for so long, it becomes FOTM. That means they unskilled players flock to it so they can look good. This does nothing to improve their skill, in fact it makes them worse than before as they don’t need real tactics and skill to win. After even this mild nerf, it really separates the truly good players from the bad players who just looked good because they were playing a class that was exceptional for so long.

You can still reset most fights at will and remained stealthed and heal up about as much as you wish on a thief. You can burst down players running to and from places. You can help in a zerg if you are smart.

1. You control the action. Do not run in among the million red dots, periphery areas are your bread and butter.
2. Keep people from getting back in the fight, it’s pretty easy still.
3. Show some judgement when you pick your target. You can’t kill everyone as easily as before now ZOMG WHAT DO I DO……… pick off the easier targets or harass the others so they don’t get back into the fight.
4. Get 3-5 people to chase you during a zerg fight. 5 people chasing you means 5 people not fighting. Stealth, dodge, appear, SS, repeat…. Keep the back line zerglings busy focusing their AOE on you and not your blob. That alone is worth a lot more than you might think in a battle. Often times it makes the difference in winning or losing.
5. Down people and move on. Forget the finish….People are too worried about it. In combat you injure your opponent so his 2-3 buddies rush to help him. That is 2-4 people not in the battle now. Do it to 2-3 zerk squishies and you just won the battle for your side. Less damage, less people fighting = win. you do need to know when to finish and when not to for this to be optimal
6. Pop that mesmer and make him run. a running enemy who does a lot of damage and can control a fight needs to go. Pop that fool, mesmer, staff blast ele and make them run. A running opponent is not doing damage and not contributing for many seconds in a fight.

Yes, you actually need to use your brains and develop more skill. No offense, but it is about time the chaff was culled after so long a time. Actually, most of those bad thieves are now playing a mesmer…. people never learn. You don’t get better playing it easy. You get better by training against tough opponents and worse odds.

Camp away kaineg, the few that come from PvE to try WvW on ET can’t get out a single door. Congrats, you are the new Borlis pass <golf clap>

WhisperedInsanity.3985:

ET had a decent amount of players out this past reset night and my group of 5 golems was really laughable when we tried to take SM from you guys but it was just one fight out of very few where you guys held the numbers. I have to say that DR REALLY embraced the event in EB with their massive golem zerg that melted doors in less than 10 seconds, it was crazy but DR has the numbers to trade punches with IoJ making the outcome a possible surprise.

Just using your post as an example, not directed at you perse; just people who whisper me a lot from your side and dev.

We actually didn’t have that many. When SQD is out they count for about 4-5 people each. I know cause you all whisper me about how ET outnumbered you in a battle and im thinking…um….there were 10 of us and 40 of you. It just seemed like a lot cause SQD steamrolled your 40 man group with only 10 people. I get whispered a lot because i run solo but will hang around with them.

Hell they won’t even actively seek out any fight under 3-1 odds. They run headlong into 3 and 4 to 1 odds with glee. We seem like more because, quite frankly the opposition is so weak they need massive amount of numbers. If you died to them equal numbers you happened to be in the exact wrong place as they were going by to stomp a larger force and you got unlucky.

Also, don’t forget that we post maybe 15-20 people on the maps for prime time reset night. That is the time most everyone who WvW is out. That isn’t even enough to compete any day any time with our enemies.

Buy an extra copy for me too, but it wasnt just due to golem week.

yes, it is a good change and way beyond needed…… but

How can you all cheer them on this for a job well done? Seriously, this should have been done like the WvW population has been asking over 730 days ago. Yes over two years and they ….finally… get enough time to spare 20 minutes to rewrite some code…

This isn’t a job well done. I would have sacked everyone who didn’t bother working on this about 750 days ago. However, the snide remarks being said, because someone had to, i am glad they finally got around to doing it.

Also, don’t get me wrong, i’m sure upper management is fully to blame and and not an individual dev. Considering how blatant and full of disregard the you tube video showed of an ANET “suit” totally blowing us off in an interview, it’s no wonder their WvW customer service is so poor.

I haven’t completely left WvW, I go in when there is no commander in EoTM.

However, there is no point in commanding myself and maybe two others against what now is more than 10-1 odds from BOTH servers. I will just run where I want, when I want with or without anyone who wants to follow until a commander in EoTM happens by.

I won’t transfer servers, because I won’t give ANET the satisfaction to stick it to me any further. I will finish biding my time until camelot uncahined beta comes out. Then, good night GW2. At that time I will give everything of value to any guild still in ET WvW to help them out as best I can.

Haha, yeah I know right, but I would have just been talking to myself.

I know its a funny remark, point is I shouldn’t have to do their job, if they had done it right in the first place.

Yes, I was being condescending.

An in game message or message upon log in would have made this a non issue. That is what, 5-10 extra minutes at most? Seriously, is that too much to ask? Apparently, for WvW it is, considering their track record. So yes, I was being extremely condescending to him and his upper management supervisors. After all, they screwed things up in the first place, not us.

If a supervisor handled this as poorly in my business he would have been in the office immediately. The way it was handled shows how utterly little they care for the WvW players so yes, when I can I will take a shot at them for it. He is the supervisor, either he doesn’t know how to do his job properly, he is to overworked to care (more than likely), or his supervisors aren’t worth a darn (very possible)… hell it might be all 3.

Random.4691:

The step it up argument is completely invalid. It has been pointed out in numerous posts that ET (not sure about DR & UW) has a couple of commanders who are more than willing to lead the server for WvW. What do you do when you tag up and have no one to command ? Do you go to PvE and recruit ? Oh that’s right Mega Servers. You can’t step up and lead what you do not have.

…….

They can’t just step it up, they have no one to step it up with. They either need a massive influx of players (which will just cause a disparity else where) or they need to move/merge. It’s unhealthy for the game and new players that roll on the wrong server (because their all very high, which is completely misleading) so new players roll ET, they get to whatever the new stupid level is to enter WvW, and its a barren wasteland with no activity. I’m willing to bet they brag to all their friends about how much fun they are having and give several reasons to buy the game ….

ET has one less commander, because I just can’t do it anymore. I find myself spending more time in EoTM. The sad fact that in a k-train area where the opponents literally go out of their way not to attack each other is giving me better WvW fights is a sad fact.

We have had a couple new people to the server come in and ask about WvW. I can’t remember one of them lasting more than part of a day never to be seen again. I feel most sorry for them. They expect a game play mode and just don’t get it.

There is no problem, just people who played an easy I WIN class, who didn’t have to ramp up their skill are now finding it a bit difficult. If you are possibly on a guardian instead of a warrior I suggest you move to tier 8 ET and watch SQD who have little problem with 7 guys running into 20 – 30+ opponents and killing them.

“Like listing what tier a certain server is before you commit to that server perhaps?”

Perish the thought, are you crazy!?!?!?!?!?! That would mean they would have to spend 15 minutes to write and implement it. That is too much trouble for WvW.

Revs were weak as could be and certainly need a balance tweak. I did not play one, but the ones I faced were pathetically weak.

That person isn’t spying. A spy doesn’t make it obvious. Spies are on TS and communicate the info to their guild via non written communication. A lot of times they will use an extra chat service like mumble or vent. They won’t even use the open TS WvW channels if you have them set up.

Besides, if I am reading what you are saying correctly, he is on your server and talking in your map chat for the enemy to come. Kind of pointless since the person you are accusing of spying would already know the info and not need to say it in map chat to….himself?

Thanks for the in game message heads up guy, appreciate that you all think we are crooks and exploiters. So, was the 5 minutes to write and send out a world message and have it flash so people knew and could pass it on that much trouble?

Awesome job you let 15 people on the message boards know instead of the tens to hundreds of thousands in your game. Thumbs up!!!!!!

Okay a couple things: Spying does go on for whatever reason in T8. There are a few guilds who do it. I listen to it, after having been told by certain enemy guild members that weren’t kosher with it happening. That is besides the whole point of the OP’s thread though and is the last I will speak about it in a thread.

TS isn’t much of an option, even peak in ET it wasn’t greatly used except by a few of the WvW guilds. Now…even reset night is a ghost town, you might get SQD using it, other than that you are lucky to find 5 people. On any given non reset night, you are lucky to find another person using it.

Devona actually has some numbers, the current match up speaks to that. Are they great numbers, my god no, but at least you have something, even you are crushing ET right now. Now, I’m not saying DEV doesn’t have an issue, you surely do. The numbers comparison to IoJ or even SF are pathetic.

Anyone here thinking or waiting for ANET to fix the issue, i’m sorry, but they won’t. The servers are high population regardless of WvW. This is PvE game with WvW thrown in on the side as has been shown by content update after update for years being almost entirely focused in the PvE area, with a WvW update every once in awhile.

So your options are: continue playing on a dead server hoping it will get better, transfer, or quit and find a new game. Sorry, but that’s the harsh reality.

Camelot Unchained can’t come out quick enough. Once it does, I’m gone. I have been here a long time, but it really has gotten ridiculous.

The Gm’s themselves don’t normally read these. They probably have some intern go through them and move/delete certain threads. If a particular thread or something in it is really noteworthy, the GMs are probably alerted to it and read it.

Seriously, work is work people. After a short period of time the GM’s get just as fed up about low pay, long hours, a crappy commute to work, horrible managers and greedy corporate guys just like the rest of us. The last thing they want to do on their off time from hell is to …. work for free.

I have seen servers do that, camp every spawn area on all maps. When the server sides are so lopsided that can happen. Now do they do it all the time, no. However, if it is done enough during prime-time a few days then the smaller servers people just stop WvW.

Quit your job, forgoe a girlfriend and make GW2 your life.

Other than that, um… yeah, sorry, that’s all I have.

I personally prefer some type of Points bonuses and regulations. They could start at like 30k. For instance:

If a server is up by 30k points it sees a reduction in wexp and kharma by 15%
If a server is up by 31k points it sees a reduction in wexp and kharma by 16%
If a server is up by 32k points it sees a reduction in wexp and kharma by 17%
If a server is up by 50k points it sees a reduction in wexp and kharma by 35% plus it suffers +10% vulnerability per hit to all towers and keep walls + gates.

The system could scale up as the Points margin widens. Conversely the losing server/servers could gain bonuses at the same time.

If you are down by 30K points you gain a 15% wexp and kharma bonus
If you are down by 31k points you gain a 16% wexp and kharma bonus
and henceforth as illustrated above.

I am just using this as a very quick example…obviously you could input anything you want as a bonus and negative. Thus it can be used and implemented more easily with the outnumbered buff which could still remain.

This would get more people out until the bonus wears off and it is not as profitable for people to come out. Might get a few more people interested and get those out who would like to participate, but would never go to WvW due to being facerolled by a server they have no chance against. A least their is a real incentive to WvW.

Anyway, just thoughts off the top of my head without really putting much thought into it.

I have been on many servers, and some twice. Every server hacks and uses spies, generally it is only a certain guild, certain commander, or just a random person. People are people and that is just part of life, they don’t want a challenge they want to win.

You can’t expect a new person never commanding before to try anything against a server with dual boxers and generally 10-1 odds. That just doesn’t work unless you have some numbers. Trailing 3-5 guys behind a commander, you just can’t build enough numbers. You are hit too much and too often. The dual boxing accounts on both other servers calling out ET commander positions make sure of that. Yes, your own guys whisper me when you are doing this and it is quite often.

The only way for ET and Devona to get numbers is to take camps and stuff like hylek only and NEVER take a tower for probably a week. Then SF will get completely bored and their fair weather horde will leave out of boredom. Since that will never happen there is little chance of gaining any WvW population.

ET won’t gain PvE guilds for WvW, we don’t get an influx of new people; most of those PvE guilds have been around long enough to not bother with WvW. That leaves only WvW guilds transferring in from other servers; which is the EXACT reason ET is such a wasteland right now. Those WvW guilds come in, stripped all of its WvW base, then left.

Sorry guys, but if you want WvW like it is meant to be you will have to leave ET for the foreseeable future.

They can’t merge servers because the servers can’t handle the influx. Sure WvW pop is small on certain servers, but the other PvE population is not. Their hardware systems just won’t allow for it as the systems used, from the start, couldn’t handle huge populations all at once without performance issues.

Server transfers non paid just don’t exist, yes someone might claim it to be, but unless they had someone on the inside who knew them, it is doubtful. So just don’t expect that.

Normally, I throw my tag up in WvW for ET and for about the first 2 hours I command myself only and that is being literal. Generally, if I stay on about 4-5 hours I can manage about 4 of us (myself included), and never see another soul come out or even send a message in any chat. Anyone who knows me from the old days knows I am no slouch at commanding; fact is there just isn’t anyone.

Anyway, you are just screwed unless you pay the gems, plain and simple. You can look for me when I am out there <gilkin> or any one of my 7 other similarly named characters and you are more than welcome to run with me. Then we can get steamrolled together

Also, at least SF isn’t borlis pass; BP would camp every single exit from every single rez area on every single map the majority of the day with lots of people. That was the final nail in our coffin.

They haven’t looked into many of the ridiculous hacks, cheats or other issues out for months and some over a year now. Heck, you don’t even get banned for doing any of it anymore so don’t hold your breath.

HoT won’t help ET one bit, its at a high player base already, it is just a PvE mostly server now. So you won’t see a lot of new people, even if you did the other servers will get just as many so it will wash out anyway.

Last reset we had at maximum time 27 people all stacked all in one borderland. That was it, all we could muster. You will be outnumbered 95% of the time by Sf and even devona’s pitiful numbers is a horde to us these days.

Get off of ET any way you can if you want to enjoy WvW as it was supposedly designed. However, there is still fun to be had in the 1 time out of 30 you aren’t run over by a herd week after week day after day.

About 4-5 of us still go out at times other than reset. Your best bet is to WvW the night the SQD guild does its weekly night in the moors. They will run over easily 2-3 times their number of SF people regularly. Expect 8-14 of them out on that night although I can’t quite remember what night it is. They are very well skilled and demolish the unskilled mass hordes of the other server.

Feel free anytime you go to WvW on ET to send me a whisper, we can get ramrodded together…. hey misery loves company!

Gilkin

Hey anyone else notice this at all?

Second time in a row I saw an engineer pop himself through a wall that was at full health. From what I could see he popped himself into the wall on the first go, then through it on the second.

The wall the first time was to SMC left of SW gate and the second time was to Bay keep left of the south gate where you can catapult the wall.

I am not going to bother reporting because ANET won’t do anything about it anyway, just curious if anyone else has been able to do this. I’m going to jump on my engineer after lunch and see what gives.

I also won’t leave out that maybe my computer might have shuttered both times, but I run everything on max and never lag in any battle at all, so while it is a possibility, it is unlikely.

[/quote]Macros (other than for instruments) are banded by ANet. If you suspect someone of using macro’d nades, please report.

I agree with caring less. People are used to getting insta-ganked by teefs. It’s the novelty of an engineer doing it right now. People will eventually get used to this too.[/quote]

Many things are banned or even bigger exploits that haven’t been addressed in this game for months and many times longer. I expect to continue to see the hacks being used over and over again with only minor steps to curtail it.

Yeah, if you are looking for loot, WvW is the worst place to do it.

With certain game mouses you can easily macro a button to do barrage and then another set of grenades. While it isn’t quite a one shot, the timing between hits is so slim a person could not react in time. This gives extra damage and you can even macro multiple sets of grenades with the barrage. In the span of a second you can macro a barrage +6 grenades and since it is, essentially, an insta-hit the person doesn’t have time to react. ***Edit*** I should have mentioned it is very unlikely you would be hit by every single one of those. I guess it is possible, but highly unlikely.

Personally, I could care less at this point. There have always been skills/traits that were way overpowered while others were never used, or only used by people not yet 80. I don’t expect them to fix much and I expect half of the fixes to screw other things up.

Eredon Terrace, since you will be one of only 4-6 people who play. To be honest it really is a single and very small group roamers paradise.

Okay a couple of things….

Server loyalty: The top tier servers send a guild down to the lower tiers, they say they are staying, they recruit hard, they ask for resources and siege, and money….and then after a couple months recruitment…they vanish back to their home server gutting the lower tiers. This has happened over and over again …so with all due respect anyone from a top 4 tier server shove your server loyalty crap you are spewing up your kitten .

For the bottom tiers: you are your own worst enemies. You let the big bully tiers come down and gut you over and over and NONE of you ever learn. Fool you once shame on them, fool you twice….you are just being stupid (and since this is at least the 7 or 8th time that I have personally witnessed…… <face palm>

For Anet: The crappy skill/ build parity is horrendous and the equality amongst classes is generally bad too. This is MOST pronounced in the lower tiers when you don’t really have 60 people around you acting as your school of fish so you aren’t targetted first. In the lower tiers you HAVE to run the most optimal build or you are dead in a second and that means no NEW players come to WvW. They get slaughtered immediately and repeatedly in a 15-30 minute period then never come back. Anyone in the upper tier that runs with a blob you have it easy, you can run a crappy build and still survive and win. Lower tiers, you are just a bag….for the 15 minutes you even play.

The 4 of us who still WvW on ET are having even more fun.

Buzzcrave.6197:

People should stop relying on stats, this is a game that have an active combat mechanics. No sane person will stand toe to toe with a war and just auto attack and click skill. If that is how you play, then this game is not for you. Its pointless to have the best stats in the game if you don’t even know how to play the game.

Active gameplay>passive stats.

Fix the immunities and skills of other classes and they wouldn’t stand toe to toe. However, right now, there isn’t much choice, our warriors move faster, cover more ground, and are mostly immune to CC and has CC that blows past immunities of many classes/builds. I have an 80 of every class, and by far warrior is the easiest to play and win on in WvW. Now does he have the usefulness in every fight or scenario as some of the other classes, no, he doesn’t. But for what we have, we don’t give up much at all.

Your problems come in because while the stats themselves don’t make you OP, if you build your warrior right you can be immune to most cc (for a large portion of most battles), while having tons of CC (which bypass immunities of some classes when they clearly are not suppose to), being able to move distance faster than every class (except a certain thief build), having good dps, and having good defense.

The only thing a warrior is missing these days is stealth. The better stuff from every other class has been mixed into a warrior, and if you have a decent build, and are of even average skill, it pus you heads and tails above most other classes/builds.

The other classes and builds tend to have to give up a lot to get way above average in something. Warriors, right now, don’t give up much at all to get way above average in almost everything (again except stealth).

Does that mean every warrior will experience this? No, as some people have no skill so it wouldn’t matter what class they play, they will still be bad even on a very powerful class. Also, not every warrior builds the same and there is only one viable warrior build. Further, some people just don’t have the intellect to put things together and chain skills to make their warrior stand out and do a ton better. Hence, many thinking that their warrior is still a bad class. Hey, it’s just reality there…few are great, not very many are good, a lot are average, and he rest suck. That goes for everything in life.

Basically though, if warrior isn’t nerfed the other classes/builds (even other warrior builds) need a freaking hell of a lot of work to come up to par. That is what really needs to be done, but since the beginning of this game that hasn’t even been attempted, so expect the nerf calls to continue.

A warrior should never lose to an engi, because they should always be able to get away. Hence, me saying bad players are still bad on a great class.

You can’t fix horrible play, not even with a great class, because those who are not skilled will still make horrible mistakes. For the engi to win the engi had to be good and the warrior a bad player. The warrior can, without a question, easily out distance the engi without a problem. Equal skill the engi should have died, or if not, the warrior should have made it away.

Look, the warrior is a superb class. The main problem is the people who play it. Let’s be honest every bad player wants an easy class to play. Warrior, right now, is the king. When you see someone who really is good, you are like kitten this class is way OP.

The warrior problem is the bad players, even on an excellent class, might jump up to average at best. Those types of players get allured to a class thinking they will be able to do everything, but in reality, they are still bad. Just bad on a good class instead of bad on a bad class, which does make a huge difference. However, they wanted to be great, not average. The good players remain on their normal or preferred class, so the remaining weaker classes look good, because (for the most part) only the good players are still playing the inferior classes and haven’t rolled the OP class.

The number of warriors should tell you how OP they are. In fact, the relative strength of a class is always shown in a WvW setting. The best classes/builds always have the most people running them.

So to sum up, bads will be bads, even on OP classes and that is the warriors problem.

It would be a little more fun if there was some kind of variety. I mean I can only face off against 150 warriors for so long before I yearn to see a different class. Seriously, is it a warrior only borderland???