If you go competitive with staff you will get rekt if the enemy team has a dp thief unless your team is capable of holding 2 nodes the entire match dp thief will always be more useful.
I think we’ve talked a bit too much of this but dp is just better in any aspect but raw damage.
The fact that staff doesn’t provide any kind of stealth makes dp automatically better for opener/res/+1, if you want to 1v1 with staff then you’re a monkey and probably will never go pro.
Thet being said staff is better suited for soloq/low tier tournaments and dp for high level pvp.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, dagger pistol thief for pro HAHAHAHAHA
Staff just can’t compete at a higher level. You can’t do it. It’s for the same reason that offhand dagger can’t compete at a higher level, either. A good d/p thief is always going to win against a good staff thief. This is not because a d/p thief has stealth, but simply because a staff thief is severely limited by it’s main source of damage which is Vault. Staff can’t interrupt, staff can’t reliably hit vault, staff can’t do a lot of things that d/p CAN do. And SB cleave is on the same level as staff cleave, so why take it if SB has superior mobility?
Lol these babies are so melodramatic. They complain, you give them solid factual answers, and they disregard anything you’ve said, from experienced players and keep crying
Stealth isn’t broken, it has many easy counters. But keep posting month after month. But instead of writing out detailed descriptions of why you think it’s broke , it might be easier and faster just to say “hey guys, I’m really bad” because that’s all we are really thinking.
Guessing a thief’s location, dropping AoE, and timing blocks/evades to the possible in coming invisible attack is are not true counters. Counters negate your skills, like blind to an earth shaker combo, berserker stance to a condition burst. Nothing we do can pop you out of stealth, prevent you from going into stealth, or give us any temporary indication of your location while in stealth. Stealth has no counter.
Man l2p, there are really alot counter to stealth like AOE or taking in mind that stealth duration is 3 sec for build without shadow arts 4 sec for build with 30 shadow arts, so if you see thief going in stealth you know that after 3 sec he must put inside him backstab if you take this in mind you can dodge easy the backstab, or go for AOE killing it when he try to backstab you.
They are the obivous choice of any class that can’t viably run a condition build because they help increase damage output directly. A big nerf to these runes would take away one of the good rune sets thieves/eles/guardians/warriors have to take the fight to heavy condi bunkers. That is not subjective, to break a condi bunker, you need to have enough defence yourself, and stacking might allows you to fight while doing so.
I would also like to add that it still requires a measure of skill to actually reach 20+ stacks of might with this. It’s a nice idea to have the 7% damage scale with howmuch might you have stacked though, to encourage playing skillfull. 7% dmg at 20+ stacks. Otherwise you get +3% at 10 and +5% at 15.
Either way, I’m using Runes of Balthazar on my burning guardian and I’m melting people with it so to me, it’s not not so much of an issue xD
In the way you say they will became really unbalanced because not all class can take 10 or 20 stack might, now this runest is balanced because all power build can have access to the plus 7% damage!
Whether its overpowered or not its starting to become a problem as its further diminishing our already small diversity in gear choices.
That’s the definition of overpowered. Games are competitions of ambiguous decision making. The rune allows you to trait tanky and deal high damage, which reduces the number of viable builds that can face players with this rune. Some classes utilize the runes more effectively than others, reducing the number of classes that meaningfully impact the game.
These runes remove real choice from the game, and that’s bad for everyone.
Everyone can use these runes, so they are not overpowered.
Everyone can log out and make a warrior, but that has nothing to do with being overpowered. If a choice is so much better than any other choices, then there are not actually other choices.
Just boon strip the might away.
Easier said than done. A necro running corrupt boon and focus can keep their might down for maybe 10 seconds before they have 10 stacks again. I’ve tried.
A thief will only steal 3 stacks of might. They are better off running the rune themselves.
Null field is nice, but easy to walk out of.
Fundamentally, all the boon ripping in the game is too slow to meaningfully keep might off of one person. You can expect 4 of your opponents to be running these runes. The resources spent boon ripping have cooldowns that are too long to keep might off of people.
Ok i play since beta and if you think like now i can only say l2p, try to play moore and then you can understand that after ferocity nerf the this runeset have balanced really the meta betwen power and condition build, it is a runeset that all class in game can use with a power build and all class have access to 7% pluss damage because they also give you 20% chance to take might when you struck, and all class can take might also alone using some traits, THIS MEAN REALLY ALL CLASS HAVE ACCESS TO 7% PLUS DAMAGE, now this runes are the only way to be competitive with a tank condition player now you have same chance to win or loose against him, a nerf to this set will be a bad spot and will unbalanced again the metagame, if you don’t understand this i suggest you to play a little bit !
I play since BETA … and in my experience its not really the same for power build as condition because access to interrupt come for the most class on wepon setup and not on builds, might come from build setup so ALL CLASS POWER BUILD can have access to this kind of setup! you need only one stack of might for have access to 7% of plus damage and you have also 25% chance when struck to gain Might for 10 seconds, then they are not op because there are alot of counter build for this setup, one example of counter is necro that change all boons into condition, after ferocity nerf this runes are the right setup for balance power build with condition build! GOOD JOB ARENA NET this time you have really make GOOD JOB!
This is wrong and this words come from a guy that probably have start last day to play gw2, perplexity was different that was a runeset really exlusive for some class condition, runes strenght are really accessible to all class because all class can take might buff with power build, and 25% chance when struck to gain Might for 10 seconds give really to all class access to 7% of damage extra! but with perplexity not all calss can have access to confusion because you need interruption, and not all class run interruption condi build in this game, so before speacking try to play a little bit! Your words are words of a player that really want unbalanced game!
Sorry but what do you don’t understand when a people say that all can access to this set rune is not op, this runes will became op if only a class can use it, but really all class can setup with this runes, do you want that condition and power build come back to unbalance state?! sorry i wan’t this, and i suggest a comunity votation for nerf or not this kind of runes!
Everyone has EQUAL access to runes, sigils, armors and so forth.
Seriously, what is wrong with some of us in the community ?
Why not complain about Not having Equal Access to things we don’t have; like stealth, invisible, invulnerability, Perm-Everything and God Mode, like the Thief class, like the Warrior class and like the Elementalist class ?
Stop Punishing our Freedom To Equal Access !!
Simple because not everyone has equal access to might.
Change your mind change your build, go out of the box, the comunity think that this rune set have finally blance the meta betwen condition power build because it is a runeset accessible by all class, all the comunity think arena net have finally make a good think, i think they should not change this only because a player wan’t change him build !
nobody in this thread seems to realize that no amount of crying they do will stop ANet from nerfing this over the top class. immobilize is called immobilize for a reason, you shouldn’t be able to move. how is this a thief QQ thread at all? no other classes besides mesmer can move while they are immobilized, it doesn’t make sense.
Immobilize is a condition …… so all with a condition removing can take it off ….
Only players that don’t know how to counter them, come to me little baby i show you with my s/d thief how they are predictable and asy to counter D/P P/D thief with S/D evasion ! i will eat you for breackfast!
Only players that don’t know how to counter them, come to me little baby i show you with my s/d thief how they are predictable and asy to counter D/P P/D thief with S/D evasion ! i will eat you for breackfast!
I have pmed a few people and I am glad they have responded! All in all I am trying to get better at dueling with Thief. I would put me at average or a little above, but id like to get better. Ive talked to Amon a number of times and he has helped me out, and whenever we duel he just scrapes me off the floor ha. So anyway, someone, teach me to thief! (better)
- wvw blobs are 80% war/guard
- top pvp teams only use 1 thief
- most roamers rerolled to engineer ( better 1vXcapability)
- lfg post says heavy only
So the logic is to nerf a class that is good at only fulfilling 1 role> high burst roamer ( single target) . Look I main a warrior and I can tell you thief is not OP. They are just incredibly good at one thing but thats the only thing they are able to do.
Guardian has the absolute best support in the game . Dosent mean it needs a nerf
And seriously be honest, most of the times you get ganked by a thief its not even a true 1v1, he gets you while you are unaware of the situation. In actual 1v1 thief has many hard counters such as necro / engi and meditation guard.
Thief class is annoying? Yes. Its frustrating? Yes Its spammy? Yes Is it OP? No
So thats basicly it. The class is so broken then why only few people play it? If something was ridiculously OP we would see 5 thief vs 5 thief in solo Q and zergs of thieves in wvw and dungeons asking for thieves only thats my point.
Won’t even comment about whether a thief is over powered or not. You have acknowledged though what many people say. It’s not fun fighting thieves. Win or lose.
Games are supposed to be fun…enjoyable. It should have no place for an “annoying, frustrating, spammy class”.
Shut up kid, thief is fun gameplay all should play the class that like, who are you for selecting a class in an mmo, thief is a class that evry mmo have.
For me necro is the annoing class of the game, but this don’t mean they should cancel it because i don’t like fight against annoing boring spammer condition in a point.
Its normal, the 90% of players don’t know how to counter a thief, and this is the reaction to this class, this is very sad but is the truth ! i play thief since beta and i can’t count the number of insults since i started played this pg.
0 control over your withdraw, lots of random evasions wasted, obviously playing against people who don’t know what it means to keep pressuring through stealth – especially SR.
Especially love the “so bad” after the engi fight, you meant that for yourself didn’t you ?
Nothing high level here sorry.
So if you are so good, show us your video before speake about othere player, you are probably a noob kid in this forum.
Man a good thief never spamm whip like and idiot the best damge is autoattack and othere combo with sword not spamming 3 and here all good thief know this!, im dagger pistol for you knoledge, but i deprecate take up initiative cost to thief skills, i hope as you say that will be a problem only for spammer thief !
Please Anet don’t focus on the things you are implementing alone ..they are nice but we have so many issues with the current game at the moment concering class balance so please nerf pistol whip in the coming patch on the 15th of april
this build holds back a lot of classes
Sensotix, try learn to play instead asking nerf, if you want i sugget a mesmer that can give you some lesson, contact Mom Gnome he have alredy killed you in tourney! For now SHUT UP you and your little mesmer!
Man pistol wip is balanced right now stop cry and learn to play, sword now is the most set nerfed thief in this game , i suggest really make moore practice, im boring right now to listen noobs in this forum cry about thief, we have low healthpool, low armour, what do you want ? whe should run in a map with a target on our head with written kill me ?! I think reading on forum that this is what the most player want for thief class so i think if anet will listen this should only delete thief class from this game and stop joke with comunity thief because there will be always players that cry about it, pls …. really learn how counter sword pistol, good players know how counter that build!
Man pistol wip is balanced right now stop cry and learn to play, sword now is the most set nerfed thief in this game , i suggest really make moore practice, im boring right now to listen noobs in this forum cry about thief, we have low healthpool, low armour, what do you want ? whe should run in a map with a target on our head with written kill me ?! I think reading on forum that this is what the most player want for thief class so i think if anet will listen this should only delete thief class from this game and stop joke with comunity thief because there will be always players that cry about it, pls …. really learn how counter sword pistol, good players know how counter that build!
This guy is died the half of the time in a duel inside of a server with me so we was same level, he have record me and want post a video youtube modify with only my lost match i want see you some screenshot! i hope the othere players that make this kind of video don’t do the same thinks or they are fails!
13 k?? Man i have 19 k what idiot use shaman amulet with venom share pistol dagger build! Venom share and all pistol dagger build use carrion amulet noob ! Seriusly you are ridicolous in this forum! With 19 k pool you have enugh Dodge and if you are good you can coalck and dagger evry 4 sec, don’t speake to a condition thief player pistol dagger since beta speaking like now because you have dimostrate you have never play this set! Go to see some video of pistol dagger thief like Slic then shut up!
Obvious troll post. Shaman amulet doesn’t exist anymore. It’s now a Settler amulet and has always contained exactly 0 vitality.
the new name is settler’s but there was a time that the name was shaman… it give you thoughness healing power and condition damage …. im not a troll ….. if you need i give you my name in game so you see my main is a thief! Pathetich really pathetich …
My point was you absolutely in no way ever can get 19k health with a settler’s amulet.
Man the point is that a real pistol dagger don’t use stettler’s amulet, pistol dagger venom share use carrion! stop there ! only an idiot take stettler’s in pistol dagger, and with carrion amulet using build 20 0 30 20 0 you have 19 k life usin trait 5 mastre trap in acro you can recharge fast ambush trap and you can use thiefs guild for take a real advantages in the most of team fights situations!
13 k?? Man i have 19 k what idiot use shaman amulet with venom share pistol dagger build! Venom share and all pistol dagger build use carrion amulet noob ! Seriusly you are ridicolous in this forum! With 19 k pool you have enugh Dodge and if you are good you can coalck and dagger evry 4 sec, don’t speake to a condition thief player pistol dagger since beta speaking like now because you have dimostrate you have never play this set! Go to see some video of pistol dagger thief like Slic then shut up!
Obvious troll post. Shaman amulet doesn’t exist anymore. It’s now a Settler amulet and has always contained exactly 0 vitality.
the new name is settler’s but there was a time that the name was shaman… it give you thoughness healing power and condition damage …. im not a troll ….. if you need i give you my name in game so you see my main is a thief! Pathetich really pathetich …
None says here that all must play PD thief, but i cant hear players that says venom share is a bad build only because they are unskilled or they have never play it or othere PD condition builds this is unaccettable!
13 k?? Man i have 19 k what idiot use shaman amulet with venom share pistol dagger build! Venom share and all pistol dagger build use carrion amulet noob ! Seriusly you are ridicolous in this forum! With 19 k pool you have enugh Dodge and if you are good you can coalck and dagger evry 4 sec, don’t speake to a condition thief player pistol dagger since beta speaking like now because you have dimostrate you have never play this set! Go to see some video of pistol dagger thief like Slic then shut up!
Learn to play condition build, venom are notte pop at same time bit if you pop you must give pressure with bleed sneak attack after Cloack and dagger and putting torment with shadow strike… Man learn to play pls!
OK i want suggest a good venom share right now tested in solo queue and WvW zerg and Also 1vs1 i play condition since beta with thief and this is really strong build venomshare, 20 0 30 20 0
III VIII
IV IX XII
V VIII
Supuperior runes of krait 2 superiore rune of centaur 2 superiore runes of afflicted 2
Weapon PD SB superior sigill of agony on pistol minor sigillo of corruption on dagger superior sigil of agony on bow.
Go to try 20 0 30 20 0 with ambush trap and thief guild before speaking!
Gets hardcountered by daggerstorm you will kill yourself….
Come with your bad skill daggerstorm to counter me! A skill that all know how evade! Super lool
You do understand that daggerstorm reflects projectiles and that your thieves npcs can not dodge do you?
Why I am even posting this?
This thread has derailed badly…
Have you understand that the only think you have to do it is stay away from daggerstorm dodge it and it is uselsess elite! The only way it can be use is with signet of malice inside a group of enemy for refull your life but in 1 vs 1 is useless ad spvp situation, you just will due at he end of daggerstorm, the best simple useless elite that all goods player can evade! Try to evade thiefs guild plus ambush lests see if you are still alive
Go to try 20 0 30 20 0 with ambush trap and thief guild before speaking!
In WvsW roaming this is useless, because people always do the same: The moment they see you pop Thieves’ Guild, they retreat, because they know you’ll also use your most powerful venoms on them. They kite you for a while, and even if you manage to chase them, your thieves won’t be able to keep your pace. Once the thieves go, they engage again, but now you have no one to share your venoms, so, the entire point of the build goes trough the window. Also, if they are perceptive, they are aware of where you put your ambush trap, since you do an obvious animation.
Man seriusly that ha ve demostrate how lo si he le el of thiefs in this forum, venom share forma zerg stak very well and 1vs1 is a strong build
Then, they proceed to slaughter you bit by bit, since they know you have practically no condition removal, few stunbreakers if any, and little stealth. You have nothing to defend yourself since you have a trap (Ambush) and venoms (Devourer+another) in your bar and your elite is on 150 secs cooldown, and more than half of your traits will be focused on venoms. Your heal will be on a 36 seconds recharge which is enough time to kill you twice with most popular builds.
This have demostrate how low is the level of player in this forum, and that you have never play a venom share in your life, i suggest you to try on yourself that is a strong support build right now in zerg situation and a strong buil in 1vs1 , you have no idea of rotation venom ambush thief guild i can see in your words
Anothere point is using 20 points in acro you have enough survivability if you are a skilled player for sue ambush and two venom taking out from tour bar shadow refuge ..
We are not talking wvw here, my earlier statements are aimed at spvp only.
Thieves guild is bad please do not even mention it. If you can not see why then sorry you are hopeless as a thief.
For wvw you can get all the stat combnations you like not so in spvp, in wvw thieves have no problems whatsoever and there are tons of good builds.
Spvp is where thieves are in trouble, I did not have the time to test the OP build yet, but to me it looks like a decent idea albeit I might modify it to suit by preferences.
Until now in my oppinion only bleed heavy support builds are good for spvp, face it SWORDS SUCK!
Lol stop speaker because if you says thief guild is bad in a venom share this mean you are a very low player! You have not play a venom share that si a strong supporto build in zerg and strong in 1vs1 situation im still laugh at tour post! Sriusly you don’t know he rotation with ambush trap…continue tour bad play..
Come in front of me in game to says this ! Bleed supporto with 1 condition that alla can McLean with condition remove pls male me laugh Moore!
Go to try 20 0 30 20 0 with ambush trap and thief guild before speaking!
In WvsW roaming this is useless, because people always do the same: The moment they see you pop Thieves’ Guild, they retreat, because they know you’ll also use your most powerful venoms on them. They kite you for a while, and even if you manage to chase them, your thieves won’t be able to keep your pace. Once the thieves go, they engage again, but now you have no one to share your venoms, so, the entire point of the build goes trough the window. Also, if they are perceptive, they are aware of where you put your ambush trap, since you do an obvious animation.
Man seriusly that ha ve demostrate how lo si he le el of thiefs in this forum, venom share forma zerg stak very well and 1vs1 is a strong build
Then, they proceed to slaughter you bit by bit, since they know you have practically no condition removal, few stunbreakers if any, and little stealth. You have nothing to defend yourself since you have a trap (Ambush) and venoms (Devourer+another) in your bar and your elite is on 150 secs cooldown, and more than half of your traits will be focused on venoms. Your heal will be on a 36 seconds recharge which is enough time to kill you twice with most popular builds.
This have demostrate how low is the level of player in this forum, and that you have never play a venom share in your life, i suggest you to try on yourself that is a strong support build right now in zerg situation and a strong buil in 1vs1 , you have no idea of rotation venom ambush thief guild i can see in your words
In venom share is good heal , with the right venom share, it heal you 7380 each 36 sec, because you must calculate the plus healing that can give you with leaching venom in shadow arts tree, so think before speake, if you want a good venom share i suggest 20 0 30 20 0 using thief guild and ambush trap.
