Guild Wars 2

You made a very valid point. I reported your post, so a mod moves it to right feedback topic in general discussion and the devs see it.

Cheers,

Made the same point yesterday 30m after patch hit and the Devs locked the thread and said I had to write in the “feedback” thread, where 99% of the posts are from people complaining of the outfit changes.

I seriously think this is an issue, especially given the high amount of non salvageable gear and the need of changing builds due to the Ferocity nerf.

Let us just hope they will at least see this.

This is a very serious issue and not only for karma gear, but for Badges of Honor gear as well. Those runes are locked in forever now since the extractor is waaaay too overpriced to be worth it.

Please fix this.

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There are several solutions to this problem:

1) Allow karma/badge equipment to be salvaged, but only for the rune/sigil (could add a pop-up warning)
2) Dramatically decrease the price of the Upgrade Extractor (should be aiming for 5g per use).
3) Dramatically increase the supply of expensive sigils and runes, forcing the price down.

At the very least, Karma and Badge armor should come with a warning on it, saying “cannot be salvaged.”

I was just thinking about this as I wanted to switch a backpiece on one of my characters to different stats, but I have a relatively expensive exotic orb in it and the item was bought with karma. I have used stones exclusively to switch around runes from un-salvageable gear in the past… this change is definitely a disappointment and a hindrance to anyone wanting to simply try different stats or have a new look.

I agree. I had a few runes and sigils I could not get out. I just trashed the items since there was nothing I could do- even sell it. I guess lucky for me it was older armors and not high priced sigils/runes but it still stinks to just trash it.

I think it would only be fair for extractor to cost same as transmutation charge. Even if for just a sale (or give us some like the charges).

I still have no idea why they made karma and wvw items non-salvageable. 42,000 karma to get 1 ecto = 120k karma/gold. orrian boxes give 1g per 30k karma. some of the runes and sigils are hard to get, but they wouldn’t be if karma items were salvageable.
dungeon items are salvageable. give me one reason that you can get soldier’s inscription from dungeon weapons but can’t even salvage invader’s weapons.

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Mystic.5934:

I still have no idea why they made karma and wvw items non-salvageable. 42,000 karma to get 1 ecto = 120k karma/gold. orrian boxes give 1g per 30k karma. some of the runes and sigils are hard to get, but they wouldn’t be if karma items were salvageable.
dungeon items are salvageable. give me one reason that you can get soldier’s inscription from dungeon weapons but can’t even salvage invader’s weapons.

how does 42k karma for a rune of melandru sound?

since the supply for rune of melandru will go up 3000%, you have to realize that the price for rune of melandru will drop to under 1g before anyone can sell them for more than that. so 42k karma for 1g rune + 1 ecto is actually a fair deal, and perfectly in line with 30k karma = 1 g.

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/15 dead charrs

we have to have a way to save our runes and sigils.
if Anet worried about the economy (karma/badges to gold) just make the runes/sigils obtained from account bound gear to account bound.

Wanze.8410:

Mystic.5934:

I still have no idea why they made karma and wvw items non-salvageable. 42,000 karma to get 1 ecto = 120k karma/gold. orrian boxes give 1g per 30k karma. some of the runes and sigils are hard to get, but they wouldn’t be if karma items were salvageable.
dungeon items are salvageable. give me one reason that you can get soldier’s inscription from dungeon weapons but can’t even salvage invader’s weapons.

how does 42k karma for a rune of melandru sound?

So ~4g for a Rune of Melandru. Sounds decent to me.

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im upgrading to Ascended on an alt and just want to salvage the old gear because they look the same only with lesser stats, the old gear is useless , only want to recuperate the runes

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the extractor was always a joke with it’s price, and now our other options of transmuting our expensive runes from our exotics to our ascendeds is completely gone.

+1 the extractor is too expensive and since I am not a gold farmer I am not swimming in gold that i can buy multiple sets of runes and sigils for every time I want to experiment with new builds.

make the extractor a LOT cheaper or do something else to make player able to transfer the runes and sigils around.

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DougTheSlug.3920:

+1
the extractor was always a joke with it’s price, and now our other options of transmuting our expensive runes from our exotics to our ascendeds is completely gone.

I belive the upgrade extractors was created to gouge people who needed to extract infusions, hence the outrageous price if you’re using it to recover runes/sigils.

last I heard, upgrade extractor does not remove infusions. otherwise, you’re right: it would be useful to be able to take a +10 infusion out and make a +11 once you collect enough to make the 2nd +10.

Mystic.5934:

last I heard, upgrade extractor does not remove infusions. otherwise, you’re right: it would be useful to be able to take a +10 infusion out and make a +11 once you collect enough to make the 2nd +10.

I believe you can:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/Upgrade-Extractor

unless they’ve changed it recently.

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I’ve 2 superior sigils of bloodlust and 3 superior runes of the traveler stuck on karma gear.

Please make the extractor more affordable.

Hopefully they take notice of this and make an effort to provide a fix.

It is not like we are asking for something to be added to the game. The functionality has been there for the entire game so far. And was only recently and I would hope, accidentally, removed with the last patch.

Please find a way to allow us to move Sigils/Runes from Karma/WvW gear to new gear like we have since the game began. Please do not take a functionality away from us that we have had since the beginning.

Bump. WvW bought weapons need to be made salvageable. Or at least create kits which can remove the runes without any surplus materials being obtained. These kits could be bought with Badges of Honor.

If this is the new way of doing things, then they should have been upfront about it so we would have had a chance to remove those runes and sigils before the patch dropped.

Prior to the “feature pack” update, Arenanet stated that they are unhappy about how destructive the transmutation system was. So they finally decided to make the change that many players tought should be part of the game since launch.
Nonetheless, the problem with runes/sigils persists, and I fail to see how is it different from the former transmutations. Upgrading your equipment is still (in lots of cases) a destructive process and in order to make it non-destructive, you are forced to buy an expensive gem store item.

Definitely going to bump. This is a pretty important issue to many folks, especially since we had no warning of this beforehand.

I think the simplest fix would be to allow the items to be salvaged, but the only item which can be obtained is the rune/sigil (no ecto, no crafting mats).

Agreed. Made a thread about it elsewhere, didn’t see this one.

Please give us a decent fix.

So far it is pretty consistent that no one even cares about getting Ectos/Mats from Karma or WvW Gear. What we want is to be able to retrieve our Sigils/Runes when transmuting. (As we were able to do prior to this patch.)

There needs to be a viable way to do so.

Also, on a side note. Why is it we can salvage dungeon token gear but not badges of honor gear? In essence, badges are the WvW equivalent of dungeon tokens.

+1 for the idea about allowing to only salvage runes/sigils from karma armor/weapons. If anet really wants to get gems, might it be with BL salvage kit only … still much beter option than overpriced upgrade remover … Have tons of runes stuck in karma/WvW armor

To those that are asking for a lower price on the upgrade extractor:

It wouldnt make a difference because Anet doesnt control the gold/gem rate.
Imagine the extractor is available 50 gems/5g.
What would happen? Everybody would get it via gold→gems to extract runes and sigils that are worth more than 5g because its pure profit.
That would make the gold to gem ratio rise and lower prices of the runes that are more expensive than 5g sue to added supply. At some point, it would level out again because it costs now 10g to get 50 gems and the most expensive runes and sigils are 10g now. We would be in the same situation as before only with a highly inflated gold/gem ratio.

Wanze.8410:

To those that are asking for a lower price on the upgrade extractor:

It wouldnt make a difference because Anet doesnt control the gold/gem rate.
Imagine the extractor is available 50 gems/5g.
What would happen? Everybody would get it via gold->gems to extract runes and sigils that are worth more than 5g because its pure profit.
That would make the gold to gem ratio rise and lower prices of the runes that are more expensive than 5g sue to added supply. At some point, it would level out again because it costs now 10g to get 50 gems and the most expensive runes and sigils are 10g now. We would be in the same situation as before only with a highly inflated gold/gem ratio.

^ agreed

The better option would simply be to allow us to salvage Karma/WvW Gear but have it only give back Runes and not other materials.

Ashadow.6874:

The better option would simply be to allow us to salvage Karma/WvW Gear but have it only give back Runes and not other materials.

I wish they would do this. It also would be nice if we could pop out sigils freely from legendary gear.

The simplest solution would be making that gear salvageable with the result of only the attached rune in account bound state.

It amuses me that people are asking for the extractor to be made cheaper, when Anet CANT make it cheaper than the expensive runes and sigils for a very specific reason. As a result, guess what? It’s cheaper to outright replace the rune or sigil.

I’d prefer just to be able to salvage WvW gear (even with no globs) to get the sigils back.

Or, reduce the price for extractors, and make the result (sigil/rune) account bound. Removes the issue of easy profiting. Why the hell would anyone buy an upgrade extractor at the moment? If you buy gems with real $$$ you may as well just trade it for gold and buy the sigils yourself.

Amurond.4590:

I’d prefer just to be able to salvage WvW gear (even with no globs) to get the sigils back.

Or, reduce the price for extractors, and make the result (sigil/rune) account bound. Removes the issue of easy profiting. Why the hell would anyone buy an upgrade extractor at the moment? If you buy gems with real $$$ you may as well just trade it for gold and buy the sigils yourself.

Exactly. It should work like:

Karma Gear salvage:
Rune only

WvW Gear salvage:
Rune only

Or just allow them to be salvaged period if it is too hard to make them only drop the Rune.

WvW Armor costs 1g + tokens (negating the 1-3 Ectos) and Karma Gear would only net you (for example with my 4.5million Karma). Around 78g selling on the TP for 4.5million Karma.

I could make more gold in two days running dungeons than salvaging 4.5million worth of Karma gear. And any Ectos given this way will simply be sold to the TP and reduce gold by 15% in game. (Thus being a gold sink instead of gold faucet.)

In fact, tack a GOLD COST onto Karma Gear and all WvW Armor that doesn’t already have a gold cost. Problem solved. Salvaging Karma gear for Ectos will result in a NET LOSS of gold. No reason to salvage it for Ectos.

Please make WvW salvageable… I have so much gold tied up in Runes and Sigils now that I can’t salvage my WvW items by transmuting…

Bump. Bumpity bump bump bumpsky.

Ragnarok.4586:

Bump. Bumpity bump bump bumpsky.

Please do not bump this topic just for the sake of bumping. It is not helpful. And they closed down the last rather important topic because of that.

Stick to the discussion at hand please.

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The easiest solution I believe is simply making all Karma and WvW armor have a Gold Cost from the NPC. (This would negate entirely the Ecto/Mats salvaged and make it worthless to break down for Sigils.)

The Karma sigil are already soul/accountbound if I remember correctly.

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Just give us the ability to transfer runes/sigils between our gear (like was available before). I really don’t want to believe my conspiracy-theory friend who has said you’d do this to get more gem sales on the BLTP.

I wouldn’t even mind if there was an NPC that could remove the rune/sigil for us for a small fee, they can even destroy/keep the armor. Then we don’t have to worry about the salvaging problem. I just want my rune back u_u

aeschylus.7120:

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Just give us the ability to transfer runes/sigils between our gear (like was available before). I really don’t want to believe my conspiracy-theory friend who has said you’d do this to get more gem sales on the BLTP.

I’d believe this “conspiracy theory”

The upgrade extractor first appeared Dec 17th, 2013, about 4 months before this patch. Players always thought it was stupid because except in rare cases it was cheaper simply buying another upgrade. Now we know why it exists.

Ironically i just posted on a similar thread subject in crafting section.
I have currenty 6 Superior travelers Rune in a set i bought with badges in wvw and can’t get them off it in a any way. I’m going to craft full sentinel set ascended for wvw and would like to get back those runes to reallocate into the new one.
The splitter is really too expensive current state. Lower significantly the price or let us salvage those gears. The problem will still stay though if you want to take off some ascended weapons them sigils :/