Guild Wars 2

I love it on my norn guardian. That armor paired with the shatterer wings and Sovereign hammer looks epic and godlike=3

Did I mention yet how much I like it on my character? Really happy with it.

It would be nice if there was another set released without the blue- or atleast dye the skin & enhance the stars within the skin because otherwise it looks kind of like white noise, I also don’t like the haze effect since it interferes with mesmer phantasms & the dwayna ascended backpiece or the fact that it takes away definition when your character is shaded & overall changes your characters features- I bought the light armor because it looked better in the preview- the medium armor though I love, I just wish you could get rid of that blue skin or dye it- I’d like to match my kudzu

It(the blue star skin) messes up my phantasms completely.
Actually it’s the skin and the haze that comes off of it.

I really like this armor – but the option of having the blue skin or not needs to be implemented- I saw in a previous post where the option was in order to have the blue skin body- there needs to be a full set worn. I thought that was a good idea. So with separate body armor pieces it does not have the blue skin phantasm ruining effect.
Or just remove the blue skin entirely- I like it personally because it reminds me of a Hindu deity. And I love mythology – but I almost couldn’t tell what I was doing at one point in a dungeon because of this shredded cube effect.

Other than that I really love it.

Just bought 2 of the sets. I gotta say that they look amazing on max settings <3

Will probably buy the third set in the future.

Does anybody know where the inspiration for this armor comes from? I can’t recall seeing any blue-skinned humanoids in the game so far…

There does seem to be a fair amount of ummmm…… excitement, if that the proper word to use here, over the mere possibility of the presence of female nipples. Multiple screenshots with closeups of the “offending” area with discussions whether or not those are nipples showing or graphic glitches. Idk. Maybe it’s cultural. Maybe it’s an age thing. But some people are getting pretty frothed up about it.

Love the Armor!! Thanks Team Anet. Very otherwordly and combines well with the dragon bash back piece.(somebody mentionned a Hindu reference. Totaly agree) As for other armor set combinations, well you will have to hunt for the right pieces that mesh well. I`m sure there are some out there.

As for the Blue Ethereal effect, I think it is the defining factor of the set and should remain as such. I do agree that adding a dye slot would be more than awesome. Personally I like purple, so my purple toned Sylvari with the head piece removed is a little jarring.

I droped 71g to get it caus I had it to spare, but would have gladly paid $$ for the set. Still considering the light armor.

Wired

Sylv.6514:

Totally disgusting. I can understand wanting to create scantily clad females as a form of artistic expression, but making such ridiculous armor in GW2 is going too far. Women aren’t sex objects, they are people with internal organs that need to be protected. Designing your armor in such a way is shameful, I am so disappointed in you Anet.

Men are sex objects either!!! This armor shows man boob.

Astral Projections.7320:

There does seem to be a fair amount of ummmm…… excitement, if that the proper word to use here, over the mere possibility of the presence of female nipples. Multiple screenshots with closeups of the “offending” area with discussions whether or not those are nipples showing or graphic glitches. Idk. Maybe it’s cultural. Maybe it’s an age thing. But some people are getting pretty frothed up about it.

For my own part, not speaking for anyone else, I’m just tired of seeing “heavy armor” with more skin than metal. That’s all. I think it’s a funny mistake on Anet’s part that they included nipples, and also somewhat bizarre considering their stance on the subject. Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which. No one even complained about it, but apparently that was too tasteless. Now that they’re making money off of it though, clearly even nudity is fair game. It smacks of a cheap cash grab.

I’m not taking any kind of moral stance. I just think it’s sleazy, from a business perspective and from a content/design standpoint as well. I like nipples, I even have a pair myself. But I really don’t see a particular reason for them to be displayed on my supposedly armored character.

the skins are very nice. Bought the heavy.

honestly, the blue should accept dye. I understand your desire to avoid people dying it flesh color though.

Solution: You could implement some special dying properties/exceptions to the blue area, that only shifts the color slightly towards green, purple, or de-saturation depending on the chosen dye, and allows for tints and shades to brighten or darken.

I’d just add a dye slot for the blue areas as well.

I want to report the following issue:

My character: Male Norn (Height: tallest) Guardian
Zodiac Armor: Heavy

When I run as my male Norn guardian with my hammer drawn, the shoulder parts of the heavy Zodiac Armor move a lot. I understand there has to be some movement on the character model to simulate a running animation, but only with the hammer, the shoulders move around too much. It is as if the shoulder parts are almost falling off.

When my male Norn guardian is running with a greatsword, there is no problem with the shoulder parts.

This is just to let you know anet, and I look forward to the patch when the hammer running animation on the heavy Zodiac armor shoulder parts are fixed.

Overall, I really like the Zodiac themed armors!

Anet PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fix this… This is an awesome armor and I love it, worth every penny BUT COME ON… What’s with the BEHIND??? 90% of the time I look at my character fromthe back as I play and this is what I see :/

at least you don’t have fat legs like my sylvari and all other boots have same “fat” issue as well -_-

I like the armor (and the blue), and I will buy all 3 sets tomorrow. I do wish the blue could be changed when I want a diff color.

foofad.5162:

For my own part, not speaking for anyone else, I’m just tired of seeing “heavy armor” with more skin than metal. That’s all. I think it’s a funny mistake on Anet’s part that they included nipples, and also somewhat bizarre considering their stance on the subject. Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which. No one even complained about it, but apparently that was too tasteless. Now that they’re making money off of it though, clearly even nudity is fair game. It smacks of a cheap cash grab.

I’m not taking any kind of moral stance. I just think it’s sleazy, from a business perspective and from a content/design standpoint as well. I like nipples, I even have a pair myself. But I really don’t see a particular reason for them to be displayed on my supposedly armored character.

Except this armor has no skin showing at all. There is zero nudity. Granted, it’s skin tight armor but still. As for the alleged nipples. I’ve seen the pictures on the thread and they look like graphic glitches to me. Artifacts of the light hitting a rounded, shiny surface.

foofad.5162:

For my own part, not speaking for anyone else, I’m just tired of seeing “heavy armor” with more skin than metal. That’s all. I think it’s a funny mistake on Anet’s part that they included nipples, and also somewhat bizarre considering their stance on the subject. Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which. No one even complained about it, but apparently that was too tasteless. Now that they’re making money off of it though, clearly even nudity is fair game. It smacks of a cheap cash grab.

I’m not taking any kind of moral stance. I just think it’s sleazy, from a business perspective and from a content/design standpoint as well. I like nipples, I even have a pair myself. But I really don’t see a particular reason for them to be displayed on my supposedly armored character.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

My additional: I’m tired of light sets that are either insanely frilly, 1000% covered and bland, or extraordinarily skimpy. Could I please have a light armor set that has breasts completely covered, be still classy, maybe with a little skimp? Like the Raven Norn Shaman Set or Countess Anise Set or the long elegant dress featured in the Mesmer profession page or…? I’d think I’d buy a set even without a skin locker just to support the cause. Particularly The Countess Anise set or the Mesmer featured set (I don’t have a Norn caster, but I think my human Necromancer would look elegant in the featured Mesmer set and potentially the Countess Anise set – my Sylvari shall only wear leaves and Mesmer Masques >_<).

Again, I’d like skimp in back, arms, midriff and/or legs preferably (and hey, those areas aren’t controversial!).

Astral Projections.7320:

foofad.5162:

For my own part, not speaking for anyone else, I’m just tired of seeing “heavy armor” with more skin than metal. That’s all. I think it’s a funny mistake on Anet’s part that they included nipples, and also somewhat bizarre considering their stance on the subject. Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which. No one even complained about it, but apparently that was too tasteless. Now that they’re making money off of it though, clearly even nudity is fair game. It smacks of a cheap cash grab.

I’m not taking any kind of moral stance. I just think it’s sleazy, from a business perspective and from a content/design standpoint as well. I like nipples, I even have a pair myself. But I really don’t see a particular reason for them to be displayed on my supposedly armored character.

Except this armor has no skin showing at all. There is zero nudity. Granted, it’s skin tight armor but still. As for the alleged nipples. I’ve seen the pictures on the thread and they look like graphic glitches to me. Artifacts of the light hitting a rounded, shiny surface.

sigh
It’s so tight that it may as well be skin – therefore, it makes no difference at all for people who take offense at getting yet another new armor set that practically cries ‘LOOK! BOOBIES!’. Because it does – just try to convince me otherwise :P

Having a man’s chest displayed in a similar fashion (and they are more covered up – less even, flashy blue skin texture) isn’t much of a sexual objectification – it’s fulfilling a (male) power fantasy more than a female sexual one. Particularly the way these armor skins are styled – that’s no ‘making male toons as sexy as possible to female gamers’, in contrast to the way the female skins are designed. Look at TERA for sexyfied male toons…

Astral Projections.7320:

foofad.5162:

For my own part, not speaking for anyone else, I’m just tired of seeing “heavy armor” with more skin than metal. That’s all. I think it’s a funny mistake on Anet’s part that they included nipples, and also somewhat bizarre considering their stance on the subject. Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which. No one even complained about it, but apparently that was too tasteless. Now that they’re making money off of it though, clearly even nudity is fair game. It smacks of a cheap cash grab.

I’m not taking any kind of moral stance. I just think it’s sleazy, from a business perspective and from a content/design standpoint as well. I like nipples, I even have a pair myself. But I really don’t see a particular reason for them to be displayed on my supposedly armored character.

Except this armor has no skin showing at all. There is zero nudity. Granted, it’s skin tight armor but still. As for the alleged nipples. I’ve seen the pictures on the thread and they look like graphic glitches to me. Artifacts of the light hitting a rounded, shiny surface.

Honey, it turns your flesh transparent. It’s skin, just transparent. There’s nothing covering you. It’s not a skin tight suit with armor plates over the top. It’s flesh turned transparent.

Attached is a comparison of two textures for a character wearing the medium chestpiece and nothing else, versus a completely concealing armor. You see the part that is white and speckled? That’s the torso skin portion of the texture. The fact that it’s speckled jives with what you see in game. There’s an additional texture that isn’t part of the same file that is the actual blue part. The skin portion of this texture is transparent but retains some shading, and the fact that it’s transparent reveals the blue texture underneath it.

You can then compare that to the one above, which is what your torso skin ordinarily looks like. You can compare the shading in both the top and the bottom skins, and see the exact same patterns of shadow.

It’s nude. Just transparent.

Edited to add: Not only that, but it’s so completely clearly bare skin when you look at EthanLightheart’s male character wearing it. You can see his belly-button, his abs, his ribs, with absolutely no smoothing or distortion like you would expect when wearing even very tightly covering clothing. I’ve said this before earlier in the thread, but I’m a dancer and wear tights and unitards on a regular basis. Even the tightest tights smooth out your features. In fact, the tighter the clothing, the less your belly button shows for the same reason that tight leather over a drum doesn’t become concave as a result of it covering up a hole. The fabric forms a plane between the highest points.

P.s.: Before anyone cries out, “LOOK, NO NIPPLES IN THE TEXTURE!” It’s not the texture that contains it, it’s the normal map, which is a height-mapping technique that simulates additional geometry on an otherwise flat surface. I haven’t been able to get the normal map for the armor yet for some reason. uMod keeps screwing up.

foofad.5162:

Astral Projections.7320:

sorudo.9054:

you see ppl die, blown to pieces and even break legs in mid battle but a nipple is what you guy’s are panicking about?
what a bunch of sissies, grow a pair or go outside and see the world, a nipple is really nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about.

But, but the CHILDREN! Think about the CHILDREN! O.o

Jk. Lol.

There does seem to be a fair amount of ummmm…… excitement, if that the proper word to use here, over the mere possibility of the presence of female nipples. Multiple screenshots with closeups of the “offending” area with discussions whether or not those are nipples showing or graphic glitches. Idk. Maybe it’s cultural. Maybe it’s an age thing. But some people are getting pretty frothed up about it.

Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which.

There were definitely complaints about it and it was changed AFTER release. People tend to get offended at things that just do not affect them.

Darkobra.6439:

foofad.5162:

Astral Projections.7320:

sorudo.9054:

you see ppl die, blown to pieces and even break legs in mid battle but a nipple is what you guy’s are panicking about?
what a bunch of sissies, grow a pair or go outside and see the world, a nipple is really nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about.

But, but the CHILDREN! Think about the CHILDREN! O.o

Jk. Lol.

There does seem to be a fair amount of ummmm…… excitement, if that the proper word to use here, over the mere possibility of the presence of female nipples. Multiple screenshots with closeups of the “offending” area with discussions whether or not those are nipples showing or graphic glitches. Idk. Maybe it’s cultural. Maybe it’s an age thing. But some people are getting pretty frothed up about it.

Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which.

There were definitely complaints about it and it was changed AFTER release. People tend to get offended at things that just do not affect them.

It was either in BWE3 or immediately on release. I remember being surprised when viewing it in the PVP locker between the beta weekends or BWE3 and release that they had changed it.

In fact now that I think about it I’m virtually certain it was BWE3 because I was still on my beta version of the character I main, my Guardian. She had a different hairstyle and name.

Stop making a big deal about the possible shaped Areola & actually stay on track on actual feedback about this armor; Because the more people go on about it the more riled up & offtrack this thread will get.
I don’t think they’ll listen to us about this armor, about what we want changed for those who bought it but only hoped the blue was optional- people are buying it regardless so that means they won’t change it as long as they have the $$- but for future armors maybe they might listen- how about next time do a survey on which skin we like the most because most + feedback on how it would/ could look better.

What do you like about the armor?:
The uniqueness & deity theme

What would you change/dislike?
Most of us like to mix match armors & the zodiac armor makes it pretty difficult to do just that.
I have a few zodiac weapons & the blue on the weapons is a different shade of blue than the ‘skin’ on the armors- I just wish I could either see my characters features with the armor or atleast dye the skin. I bought it thinking I could dye it.

Chasind.3128:

Stop making a big deal about the possible shaped Areola & actually stay on track on actual feedback about this armor; Because the more people go on about it the more riled up & offtrack this thread will get.

Just because you don’t like my feedback, doesn’t mean it’s any less valid than yours. You don’t see me telling you your issues aren’t worth talking about.

The only thing I don’t like about it is the blue skin, so I would love to have the option to turn it on and off.

(On a side note, the ornaments on heavy head and shoulders, when placed on a fat norn, will most likely be a nightmare in areas that forces the camera close to your character.)

I’m not offended, I’m annoyed.

At age 56 , as a former art major (nude studies in college, etcetera), having lived in Europe in the era of nude beaches, gone through the 60’s and 70’s (Woodstock et al), I have no problem whatsoever with nudity. I do have a problem with exploitation.

And yes, I’d like some armors with “class” that actually provide “protection”, thank you.

Again, I do not care if ANet makes modifications to this armor or not. I would like to see the latest trend reconsidered for future armors.

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I really have to stress again that I think the armor designs are gorgeous and exotic. I wish we were given more control over the blue skin thing, even if we could just dye it (which I think would be a huge selling point, tbh). I want to be able to toggle my helmet off, and not have a blue body so that it matches my face more. We could accomplish that just by dying the blue skin part to better match our characters colors while maintaining all the fancy cool zodiac effects. That, or an alternate version without the blue, or toggle helmet off and the blue skin goes away and they slightly censor the chest pieces on girls if they absolutely have to due to conservative people (which I think would be a travesty and a mistake tbh, but whatever). Really, the aritsts/devs did a phenomenal job on the armor design this time as far as I’m concerned (and you can tell from my signature) that I’m not always the easiest critic so I really would like to at least let them know that as I have a feeling some of them are quite frustrated with all of the criticism’s on their gem store skins.

Ahh I love this armorrrD

I went on a screenie rampageee <3

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Actually, No. In one of my earlier posts, I specifically mentioned all the logical reasons why the blue could not be flesh. You, on the other hand, have yet to even bother to address the question posed about the shoulders and helmet fins that share the same Zodiac coloring.

How is THIS part of her flesh? That image quite clearly shows that the Zodiac material extends out and away from her actual body.

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Actually, No. In one of my earlier posts, I specifically mentioned all the logical reasons why the blue could not be flesh. You, on the other hand, have yet to even bother to address the question posed about the shoulders and helmet fins that share the same Zodiac coloring.

How is THIS part of her flesh? That image quite clearly shows that the Zodiac material extends out and away from her actual body.

I didn’t answer it because it’s absurd. No one said the shoulders were flesh. We’re talking about the skin, not the armor itself. Of course the fins aren’t flesh. Why are you even bringing it up? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

Do I need to draw a picture? Here you go.

Or, how about these pieces? Did he grow fins from his arms and head?

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Actually, No. In one of my earlier posts, I specifically mentioned all the logical reasons why the blue could not be flesh. You, on the other hand, have yet to even bother to address the question posed about the shoulders and helmet fins that share the same Zodiac coloring.

How is THIS part of her flesh? That image quite clearly shows that the Zodiac material extends out and away from her actual body.

I didn’t answer it because it’s absurd. No one said the shoulders were flesh. We’re talking about the skin, not the armor itself. Of course the fins aren’t flesh. Why are you even bringing it up? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

Do I need to draw a picture? Here you go.

Because NONE of it is flesh. That’s why all the blue areas look the same, regardless of body location. All of the blue areas are crafted from Zodiac, none of the areas are actual flesh.

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Actually, No. In one of my earlier posts, I specifically mentioned all the logical reasons why the blue could not be flesh. You, on the other hand, have yet to even bother to address the question posed about the shoulders and helmet fins that share the same Zodiac coloring.

How is THIS part of her flesh? That image quite clearly shows that the Zodiac material extends out and away from her actual body.

I didn’t answer it because it’s absurd. No one said the shoulders were flesh. We’re talking about the skin, not the armor itself. Of course the fins aren’t flesh. Why are you even bringing it up? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

Do I need to draw a picture? Here you go.

Because NONE of it is flesh. That’s why all the blue areas look the same, regardless of body location. All of the blue areas are crafted from Zodiac, none of the areas are actual flesh.

Ignoring how silly that is for a moment, if it’s crafted from a presumably nonporus armor-like material, why is it that the helmets completely obscure the face leaving absolutely no holes for breathing, much less seeing?

Other than the obvious “it’s not some sort of covering material at all but rather simply turns your flesh transparent.”

a month from now the gem prices increase, 20 gold for 100 gems, and eventually people get fed up with something and either get bored of the farming for champ trains(which need more pizazz) or dish out the money in real life, WHICH….still wont lower the prices since they are beyond repair now. keep dishing out skins outside of the gemstore in loving world content, yet add no locker or sorts to store skins only that we earned….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/Retroactive-Account-Wide-Rewards-Locker/first#post3404646

before anymore living story comes out

Part 1

sorudo.9054:

foofad.5162:

Astral Projections.7320:

sorudo.9054:

you see ppl die, blown to pieces and even break legs in mid battle but a nipple is what you guy’s are panicking about?
what a bunch of sissies, grow a pair or go outside and see the world, a nipple is really nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about.

But, but the CHILDREN! Think about the CHILDREN! O.o

Jk. Lol.

There does seem to be a fair amount of ummmm…… excitement, if that the proper word to use here, over the mere possibility of the presence of female nipples. Multiple screenshots with closeups of the “offending” area with discussions whether or not those are nipples showing or graphic glitches. Idk. Maybe it’s cultural. Maybe it’s an age thing. But some people are getting pretty frothed up about it.

Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which.

There were definitely complaints about it and it was changed AFTER release. People tend to get offended at things that just do not affect them.

Armor skins are basically the end game right now, so it’s no surprise people are excited to voice their opinions. I don’t think the criticism specifically regarding the bared breasts stems from ~protecting the children~, at least not on my end. I really couldn’t care less about keeping children “pure” or whatever (because spoiler if you don’t have them: they can be smart jerks). I don’t think 5 year olds are playing the game. I think 15 year olds are, and this whiffs of pandering to them.

On my part at least, my investment in the topic stems from: what kind of atmosphere are game elements promoting both within the GW2 world and the games industry at large? Whether it’s Living Story, armor design or playstyle, that’s a question that’s relevant to everyone and not just whoever chooses to wear the armor.

Female armor’s been a subject of high contention in video games from an academic lens. I don’t think that’s a shocking concept to any of us. So does this armor set contribute to supposed industry tropes of objectification or refute them? Or some blend of the two? There’s been some good discussion about how this set excels at being one of the most on-par between the sexes (in terms of skin shown) of all the sets. That’s great! But maybe the girls could get a breast covered, too? All of the male sets cover up at least one pectoral… why are females not allowed the same? And why is the little fabric that is there used in such an ugly and impractical form? I think parity might be buttless pants for guys with some glued on doily looking fabric “holding up” the cheeks. It’s not a sexual organ like the other set of orbs on a guy. But it’s a sexualized body part, I guess. No attention has been paid to the booty on any other sets, just female breasts. Which strikes me as weird. That’s been a lot of the argument, right? That those quirking an eyebrow at the bared breasts are somehow puritans covered from head to toe who quiver at the site of an exposed breast or buttock. Hahaha, noooo. Because I’d like to know why don’t sexualized male parts (dat Nightwing booty) western society labels “taboo” get any of the spotlight? Is it because that feels tasteless? Is it because they think less of their audience would be into that? What is it that makes breasts such a high priority to expose? Bigger questions than we can get at here, but I hope you can see my concern has nothing to do with fear mongering about our children’s morality and more about the message they’re sending about the male and female form in the GW2 world to the players, and how that contributes to the culture of gaming as a whole.

Part 2
Obviously I can vote with my wallet, and my own characters don’t have to wear zodiac. I’m fine with that! Really, I promise. I don’t care about taking anything away from anyone – this isn’t an issue of fairness the way Flamekissed was. But I still have to live in a game world where women’s breasts are bared under the veil of airbrushed particle effects, and supported by wishes and dreams — or literal groping hands in the case of the Arah heavy armor. Which they changed as if the problem was the slivers of exposed breast and not the inherent grossness of implying that women’s body parts are to be groped and ogled. Are there going to be more armor sets like this in the future? Is this where the armor design is going? That’s what I’m hoping the feedback influences.

Studies have shown that “dont buy it” protests are not effective because all you’re doing is erasing yourself, making it more likely in the future that the developers won’t even consider you as part of their audience. So I’m voicing my opinion. The bared breasts are only one of many factors — which I outline earlier in the thread — that are keeping me from purchasing the sets.

The people maintaining that “it’s a skin suit/leotard” must never have worn one, or understand the bulk body armor like Batman’s adds to your form. Where are the joint lines showing where pieces connect, like batman’s armor? Where are the padded details, like on Batgirl’s? And just because some comic artists can have a similarly atrocious grasp of anatomy and clothing does not mean it excuses the same mistakes in other media. That just seems to mark this out as an even bigger, more widespread problem than this singular instance, if anything.

I’m not, nor have I seen, any of the criticism ask for the armor to be taken away. Just to keep in mind the tone the game’s design gives off to members of its audience. I’d hate to be running around this game in 2015 and have it basically been a year of God of War female armor options for GW2 female characters. Because I won’t be back in 2016 if that happens.

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Actually, No. In one of my earlier posts, I specifically mentioned all the logical reasons why the blue could not be flesh. You, on the other hand, have yet to even bother to address the question posed about the shoulders and helmet fins that share the same Zodiac coloring.

How is THIS part of her flesh? That image quite clearly shows that the Zodiac material extends out and away from her actual body.

I didn’t answer it because it’s absurd. No one said the shoulders were flesh. We’re talking about the skin, not the armor itself. Of course the fins aren’t flesh. Why are you even bringing it up? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

Do I need to draw a picture? Here you go.

Because NONE of it is flesh. That’s why all the blue areas look the same, regardless of body location. All of the blue areas are crafted from Zodiac, none of the areas are actual flesh.

Ignoring how silly that is for a moment, if it’s crafted from a presumably nonporus armor-like material, why is it that the helmets completely obscure the face leaving absolutely no holes for breathing, much less seeing?

Other than the obvious “it’s not some sort of covering material at all but rather simply turns your flesh transparent.”

There’s nothing silly about it. It’s actually the most logical conclusion based on the evidence.

Assuming you’re correct about the material being nonporous, my theory would be that the masks operate on a magical principal similar to the Aqua Breathers that let you breathe underwater for indefinite periods of time, with no visible means of oxygen (such as a breathing tube or oxygen tank).

OR

They work similar to ancient, real world masks/head coverings that had no immediately visible eye or breathing openings.

And, to continue with your presumptions, then there are several questions that need to be answered in order for the presumption to be logical.

1. If the effect is merely a recoloring of your flesh and eyes, why do the eyes no longer function?
2. Why were we given new flesh/eyes colors that don’t require the use of a makeover kit, despite previous new additions being tied to the kits?
3. Why do the fins/appendages look exactly like the rest of the “flesh” if they’re an entirely different material (i.e. Metal instead of Flesh)?

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

a month from now the gem prices increase, 20 gold for 100 gems, and eventually people get fed up with something and either get bored of the farming for champ trains(which need more pizazz) or dish out the money in real life, WHICH….still wont lower the prices since they are beyond repair now. keep dishing out skins outside of the gemstore in loving world content, yet add no locker or sorts to store skins only that we earned….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/Retroactive-Account-Wide-Rewards-Locker/first#post3404646

before anymore living story comes out

If it makes you feel any better, the Devs have dropped some very major, less-than-subtle hints that they plan on releasing a Skin Locker.

The most prominent being when one of the PvP Devs specifically told everyone to use Glory to buy all the skins that they could before Glory and the distinction between PvP/PvE armor was removed. Hopefully, it comes soon.

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Actually, No. In one of my earlier posts, I specifically mentioned all the logical reasons why the blue could not be flesh. You, on the other hand, have yet to even bother to address the question posed about the shoulders and helmet fins that share the same Zodiac coloring.

How is THIS part of her flesh? That image quite clearly shows that the Zodiac material extends out and away from her actual body.

I didn’t answer it because it’s absurd. No one said the shoulders were flesh. We’re talking about the skin, not the armor itself. Of course the fins aren’t flesh. Why are you even bringing it up? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

Do I need to draw a picture? Here you go.

Because NONE of it is flesh. That’s why all the blue areas look the same, regardless of body location. All of the blue areas are crafted from Zodiac, none of the areas are actual flesh.

Ignoring how silly that is for a moment, if it’s crafted from a presumably nonporus armor-like material, why is it that the helmets completely obscure the face leaving absolutely no holes for breathing, much less seeing?

Other than the obvious “it’s not some sort of covering material at all but rather simply turns your flesh transparent.”

There’s nothing silly about it. It’s actually the most logical conclusion based on the evidence.

Assuming you’re correct about the material being nonporous, my theory would be that the masks operate on a magical principal similar to the Aqua Breathers that let you breathe underwater for indefinite periods of time, with no visible means of oxygen (such as a breathing tube or oxygen tank).

OR

They work similar to ancient, real world masks/head coverings that had no immediately visible eye or breathing openings.

And, to continue with your presumptions, then there are several questions that need to be answered in order for the presumption to be logical.

1. If the effect is merely a recoloring of your flesh and eyes, why do the eyes no longer function?
2. Why were we given new flesh/eyes colors that don’t require the use of a makeover kit, despite previous new additions being tied to the kits?
3. Why do the fins/appendages look exactly like the rest of the “flesh” if they’re an entirely different material (i.e. Metal instead of Flesh)?

1. I don’t understand.

2. It’s not unprecedented. We were given new facial tattoos as items even though facial tattoos already exist for Norn.

3. There’s no reason why any magic that makes your flesh appear blue and translucent can’t also apply to other materials.

And you know, it doesn’t even matter what the actual material is. You look naked where there is no solid armor, and the entire point is that it’s unseemly to add yet another half-naked “armor” to the game. It doesn’t matter if you’re actually naked or if it’s some sort of skin tight Unobtanium Armor with painted-on nipples. Heavy Armor that only covers a fifth of your body doesn’t seem very heavy to me.

P.s. if it’s a skin-tight suit of some sort, why does the geometry of it perfectly conform to Sylvari skin ridges on the rough skin type? I mean, ignoring the fact that on humans it clearly doesn’t do things like obscure ribs and belly buttons. But the Sylvari ridges are very craggy and multi-faceted, with lots of pointy parts. You would absolutely have some smoothing out of the valleys unless it was vacuum sealed to your body.

foofad.5162:

Chasind.3128:

Stop making a big deal about the possible shaped Areola & actually stay on track on actual feedback about this armor; Because the more people go on about it the more riled up & offtrack this thread will get.

Just because you don’t like my feedback, doesn’t mean it’s any less valid than yours. You don’t see me telling you your issues aren’t worth talking about.

I never said it wasn’t worth talking about nor did I say I didn’t like your feedback FYI, just to keep this on topic.

SnowHawk.3615:

It(the blue star skin) messes up my phantasms completely.
Actually it’s the skin and the haze that comes off of it.

I really like this armor – but the option of having the blue skin or not needs to be implemented- I saw in a previous post where the option was in order to have the blue skin body- there needs to be a full set worn. I thought that was a good idea. So with separate body armor pieces it does not have the blue skin phantasm ruining effect.
Or just remove the blue skin entirely- I like it personally because it reminds me of a Hindu deity. And I love mythology – but I almost couldn’t tell what I was doing at one point in a dungeon because of this shredded cube effect.

Other than that I really love it.

Maybe it was tested, just didn’t care enough; just like how anet treats the charr
I can see however charr will still be ignored but your mesmer phantasms + this armor block issue will be fixed

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Actually, No. In one of my earlier posts, I specifically mentioned all the logical reasons why the blue could not be flesh. You, on the other hand, have yet to even bother to address the question posed about the shoulders and helmet fins that share the same Zodiac coloring.

How is THIS part of her flesh? That image quite clearly shows that the Zodiac material extends out and away from her actual body.

I didn’t answer it because it’s absurd. No one said the shoulders were flesh. We’re talking about the skin, not the armor itself. Of course the fins aren’t flesh. Why are you even bringing it up? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

Do I need to draw a picture? Here you go.

Because NONE of it is flesh. That’s why all the blue areas look the same, regardless of body location. All of the blue areas are crafted from Zodiac, none of the areas are actual flesh.

Ignoring how silly that is for a moment, if it’s crafted from a presumably nonporus armor-like material, why is it that the helmets completely obscure the face leaving absolutely no holes for breathing, much less seeing?

Other than the obvious “it’s not some sort of covering material at all but rather simply turns your flesh transparent.”

What you showed was not that the armor is skin.
What you showed -was- that it was implemented using the skin layer of the character and making part of that invisible and adding effects “behind” it.

How the armor is implemented in the game does not matter in any way at all. In that case you can just argue that “it’s all just 1s and 0s and nobody can get offended by anything even if it’s showing a completely nude body with all private parts because it’s done in the armor layer”.

Now what the armor actually -is- ingame is what actually counts.

1. Remove the gloves and you see an edge of the suit with another kind of fabric at the end.
2. Remove the helmet and you have a clear collar that marks the end of the suit.
3. There are no protruding nipples, there’s merely a smooth bump. Look at any female breast and you will quite clearly see an actual protruding nipple and not a smooth bump.
4. When the armor breaks, your character quite obviously has underwear under it that is not shown with the armor on. Hence the armor must be on top of the underwear, which in turn is on top of the skin. Hence the armor is on top of the skin.
5. Did I mention my skin is not blue and not starry and will never be? I’m a human, my skin is skin-colored.

No matter how they implemented it and what layer they used, it’s an armor, not a skin.
Saying that it is a skin creates numerous of logical fallacies as described above.
Can you stop discussing this quite obvious subject now?
It is fairly obvious that the armor is not a skin no matter how hard you try.

foofad.5162:

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.
You look naked where there is no solid armor, and the entire point is that it’s unseemly to add yet another half-naked “armor” to the game.

Yet another half naked set? ANOTHER?

It’s the ooonly, yes the only skin ever made so far that u can call half naked for medium male armor. And exactly because of this ur argument is pretty useless and ridicolous and pointless as well. Maybe think first before u write.Not everyone is so focussing on female as much as you are! And ask before u quote my pictures next time
This armor totally has it’s right to exist and be modified also..

1. I don’t understand.

2. It’s not unprecedented. We were given new facial tattoos as items even though facial tattoos already exist for Norn.

3. There’s no reason why any magic that makes your flesh appear blue and translucent can’t also apply to other materials.

And you know, it doesn’t even matter what the actual material is. You look naked where there is no solid armor, and the entire point is that it’s unseemly to add yet another half-naked “armor” to the game. It doesn’t matter if you’re actually naked or if it’s some sort of skin tight Unobtanium Armor with painted-on nipples. Heavy Armor that only covers a fifth of your body doesn’t seem very heavy to me.

P.s. if it’s a skin-tight suit of some sort, why does the geometry of it perfectly conform to Sylvari skin ridges on the rough skin type? I mean, ignoring the fact that on humans it clearly doesn’t do things like obscure ribs and belly buttons. But the Sylvari ridges are very craggy and multi-faceted, with lots of pointy parts. You would absolutely have some smoothing out of the valleys unless it was vacuum sealed to your body.

1. Wearing the Zodiac Helms, the characters no longer blink or make any of their usual eye movements.

2. The facial tattoos are completely different from what I said. Tattoos in general are/were specific to the Norn race. The ability to change your flesh tone and eye color wasn’t. The facial tattoos also count as a helmet and not a skin change.

3. It doesn’t work both ways. Either the Zodiac material is flesh or it isn’t. You can’t pick and choose in an effort to support your claims.

The geometry doesn’t fully conform to all textures from any race. There are a few lines here and there that resemble the basic features of each race, but the vast majority of those features are covered by the armor. This is no different from real world armor that had basic body features crafted into them (including basic chest shapes). You can just look at the helmets to see just how many features are covered.

videoboy.4162:

1. I don’t understand.

2. It’s not unprecedented. We were given new facial tattoos as items even though facial tattoos already exist for Norn.

3. There’s no reason why any magic that makes your flesh appear blue and translucent can’t also apply to other materials.

And you know, it doesn’t even matter what the actual material is. You look naked where there is no solid armor, and the entire point is that it’s unseemly to add yet another half-naked “armor” to the game. It doesn’t matter if you’re actually naked or if it’s some sort of skin tight Unobtanium Armor with painted-on nipples. Heavy Armor that only covers a fifth of your body doesn’t seem very heavy to me.

P.s. if it’s a skin-tight suit of some sort, why does the geometry of it perfectly conform to Sylvari skin ridges on the rough skin type? I mean, ignoring the fact that on humans it clearly doesn’t do things like obscure ribs and belly buttons. But the Sylvari ridges are very craggy and multi-faceted, with lots of pointy parts. You would absolutely have some smoothing out of the valleys unless it was vacuum sealed to your body.

1. Wearing the Zodiac Helms, the characters no longer blink or make any of their usual eye movements.

2. The facial tattoos are completely different from what I said. Tattoos in general are/were specific to the Norn race. The ability to change your flesh tone and eye color wasn’t. The facial tattoos also count as a helmet and not a skin change.

3. It doesn’t work both ways. Either the Zodiac material is flesh or it isn’t. You can’t pick and choose in an effort to support your claims.

The geometry doesn’t fully conform to all textures from any race. There are a few lines here and there that resemble the basic features of each race, but the vast majority of those features are covered by the armor. This is no different from real world armor that had basic body features crafted into them (including basic chest shapes). You can just look at the helmets to see just how many features are covered.

Ah agreed, +1

Just for fun, here’s a picture of Real Life Armor. Notice the body features including nipples?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Ancient_Greek_armour_3.jpg

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Fasalina.6571:

Ahem, I love the skin.
If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

Ah that argument never gets old.

I personally don’t mind the armor. But I am sick of that argument/logic where something is completely immune to any form of criticism just because it’s optional.

though normally i agree its a cop out, in this case i think its apt. See armor is never going to appeal to everyone, its personal and its fashion. I think the good part about these sets, are they are genuinely different than others, they are offering a new choice. I think the blue skin effect could be more sky like, with a little more color variation and bigger difference with the starry stuff, but I get the point.

As far as the armor design itself, its kind of crazy for me, but i have seen similar crazy stuff associated with zodiac, so i guess its the artists take on that stuff.

Point is, when it comes to subjective stuff like armor, the more variation the better, and if you dont like it, dont buy it. I think they need to put out more various armors that can appeal to various different groups. Part of the problem is since armor is rare, people feel like every set has to fit their needs, or perhaps you have only had 1 or 2 sets that fit what you are looking for. The only real solution is to get more armor, that appeals to different people.

videoboy.4162:

1. I don’t understand.

2. It’s not unprecedented. We were given new facial tattoos as items even though facial tattoos already exist for Norn.

3. There’s no reason why any magic that makes your flesh appear blue and translucent can’t also apply to other materials. You know what changes your eye color without needing to recustomize? Necromancer starting masks. You don’t even have to pay for that.

And you know, it doesn’t even matter what the actual material is. You look naked where there is no solid armor, and the entire point is that it’s unseemly to add yet another half-naked “armor” to the game. It doesn’t matter if you’re actually naked or if it’s some sort of skin tight Unobtanium Armor with painted-on nipples. Heavy Armor that only covers a fifth of your body doesn’t seem very heavy to me.

P.s. if it’s a skin-tight suit of some sort, why does the geometry of it perfectly conform to Sylvari skin ridges on the rough skin type? I mean, ignoring the fact that on humans it clearly doesn’t do things like obscure ribs and belly buttons. But the Sylvari ridges are very craggy and multi-faceted, with lots of pointy parts. You would absolutely have some smoothing out of the valleys unless it was vacuum sealed to your body.

1. Wearing the Zodiac Helms, the characters no longer blink or make any of their usual eye movements.

2. The facial tattoos are completely different from what I said. Tattoos in general are/were specific to the Norn race. The ability to change your flesh tone and eye color wasn’t. The facial tattoos also count as a helmet and not a skin change.

3. It doesn’t work both ways. Either the Zodiac material is flesh or it isn’t. You can’t pick and choose in an effort to support your claims.

The geometry doesn’t fully conform to all textures from any race. There are a few lines here and there that resemble the basic features of each race, but the vast majority of those features are covered by the armor. This is no different from real world armor that had basic body features crafted into them (including basic chest shapes). You can just look at the helmets to see just how many features are covered.

1. The helmet actually completely replaces your head model with one that doesn’t animate. I have no idea why.

2. It doesn’t matter if it’s eye color or tattoos. It’s a customization option that has been given in the form of armor instead of forcing you to go through the recustomization tool. If you’re still hung up on tattoos, you know what else exists? Necromancer face masks change your eye colors. Don’t even have to buy that one.

3. Of course it works both ways. If it’s obscuring your skin by some kind of magic (which, I mean, come on – it sparkles) then there’s absolutely no reason for that illusion to be limited to your skin alone. If I cast an Enchantment of Sparkly Translucence on the shoulder plates, there’s no reason why I can’t also cast the same spell on my body. Unless it also irradiates you irrecoverably, but we don’t have any lore to support that.

The skin part of the armor geometry absolutely does fully conform to the body meshes of every race. There is absolutely no indication of any kind of material sitting on top of your skin, whether you’re a Sylvari, a Charr, or a Human. Because it’s simply a retexture of your character’s skin. We know this because I proved it by providing a standard armor skin and the Zodiac armor skin textures. In case that wasn’t clear: The part of the texture file that represents your character’s skin changes from skin-tone to translucent and speckled. We’re talking actual game files here. The game files support me.

Edited to add: Also, you haven’t addressed my other contention: It doesn’t even matter what the actual material is. You look naked where there is no solid armor, and the entire point is that it’s unseemly to add yet another half-naked “armor” to the game. It doesn’t matter if you’re actually naked or if it’s some sort of skin tight Unobtanium Armor with painted-on nipples. Heavy Armor that only covers a fifth of your body doesn’t seem very heavy to me.