Guild Wars 2

Isaiah Cartwright.8569:

azureai.9764:

Is it a coincidence that Kiel is running for the seat of the Captain Counselor she let be assassinated? Either she’s incompetent or evil.

Gnashblade is a cunning businessman that can realpolitik his way through the Captain’s Counsel. He’s by far the superior candidate.

I can’t agree I more, I mean Gnashblade could buy the vote at any time but he doesn’t because he has integrity unlike that incompetent wannabe caption who lets face it killed the old counselor member for her own gain and covered up her own blunder by finding the nearest pirate and blaming it on her.

Thats it…… You have made an enemy out of me!!!!!!!

To restore Kiel’s honor….. I will see you in the mists! >:}

VOTE for Kiel. No politician can do a guardian’s job!

So kiel only cares about lions arch and her people and maybe just maybe the minority of other races there. Evon doesnt care who you are if you earn his trust.

Flame legion supporter? I bet kiel is a decendant, or at the very least, working for someone whos a descendant of Adelburn. Two sides of the same coin i say.

Id vote for someone who knows the people rather than just dealing with the criminal element of the populace.

Isaiah Cartwright.8569:

azureai.9764:

Is it a coincidence that Kiel is running for the seat of the Captain Counselor she let be assassinated? Either she’s incompetent or evil.

Gnashblade is a cunning businessman that can realpolitik his way through the Captain’s Counsel. He’s by far the superior candidate.

I can’t agree I more, I mean Gnashblade could buy the vote at any time but he doesn’t because he has integrity unlike that incompetent wannabe caption who lets face it killed the old counselor member for her own gain and covered up her own blunder by finding the nearest pirate and blaming it on her.

You know, i also cant help but to think you guys already knew which direction you were going but not everyone agreed. To stop the whining amongst all anet, colin made you guys dev a voting storyline lol. Admit thats partially true. Couldnt just compromise and now the whole gw2 community is divided. :p heres to a better year regardless!

So… Evon has bought out even the ANet staff. Truly, his desire to win at all costs knows no bounds.

Zaxares.5419:

So… Evon has bought out even the ANet staff. Truly, his desire to win at all costs knows no bounds.

Kiel has an ANET supporter or two as well. But he posted in the “Evon is ANET’s favorite” thread, not the Team Kiel thread.

If anet had just made it about which character i wanted to win i would vote for kiel for sure but there’s just no way i am not going to do everything in my power to be able to play that fall of abbadon fractal.

as a side note (not that it needs to be said) the bl key thing would suggest you are making a vote for rng but i doubt very much anyone voting for evon is doing it with that in mind.

Out of character, I’m amused by the observation that if Evon was Flame Legion (accusation A) and if he’s a deserter of his legion (accusation, isn’t this a case where two wrongs actually do make a right?

Seriously, though, I don’t think there’s any indication that he’s Flame – if I had to guess, I’d say he was Ash.

Vote for Evon if you want no new lore.

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Questions for Evon Gnashblade,

Why will you not support the investigation into the Thaumanova reactor inciedent, the worst industrial and enviromental accident in history?

Is there a cover up?

Are you working with the inquest to hide the truth?

Don’t you think the people, not only need, but deserve answers?

Can you confirm the rumors of dragon envolvement?

Mr. Gnashblade do you have any comment at all?

Asura that blow up things and create disasters has been so overused i am sick of even thinking about it. That….combined with the fact i like kittens there is no doubt who i will be voting.

Karast.1927:

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Questions for Evon Gnashblade,

Why will you not support the investigation into the Thaumanova reactor inciedent, the worst industrial and enviromental accident in history?

Is there a cover up?

Are you working with the inquest to hide the truth?

Don’t you think the people, not only need, but deserve answers?

Can you confirm the rumors of dragon envolvement?

Mr. Gnashblade do you have any comment at all?

While I understand that you are speaking in character, this really doesn’t hold any water. Evon isn’t covering anything up, he is simply supporting research into another event. And if you say that by doing so he is covering it up, then the same can just as easily be said of Kiel; that she doesn’t want us to know how a god fell from power and created a desert out of a sea. If anything, it is more likely that Kiel is only offering the Thaumanova Reactor because she used it to get the waypoint reduction. But because of the divide of the Arcane Council and how the Inquest usually break the tie, she used Thaumanova to get her promise of waypoint reduction. So she is both working with the Inquest, and can’t keep her promises without the Arcane Council’s support.

Thalador.4218:

Evon’s proven he can successfully run an organization that serves his own ends, and his own ends alone. He has no morals and even betrayed the High Legions when he darted from service – I bet he’s an honorless gladium.

No. The fact that he has a last name, Gnashblade, tells you he’s not a gladium. There are tons of Legionaries that serve outside of the primary control of the Legions. Or are you going to tell me General Almorra Soulkeeper is a honorless gladium next?

Thalador.4218:

Evon Gnashblade got his fat, immoral, hairy backside fatter by taxing us all.

No. He created a system by which anyone ANYWHERE in Tyria, can make their goods available to anyone else. It’s a public need that’s been well received. From a lore perspective, he’s entitled to profit for making the system work (not to mention the system itself needs funds to work). You might as well blame eBay for having advertisements.

And Evon’s not fat. Even compared to other charr. haha.

To derail Evon’s candidacy, you’ll have to do more than make up allegations about him in order to distract from the many, many inadequacies of Kiel’s candidacy.

I’ll probably make an IC post later, but for now, here’s a picture of an Evon supporting Quaggan!

I had a whole huge reply written up but somehow got erased by having to relogin.

Tldr version was its inquest, skritt, or the reactors maintainers. Asura always seem to have bad results when their experimemts go wrong. Not super exciting when you think about possibilities.

Size wise….crystal desert can hold thousands of thumanovas. The gods are gone and id kinda like some kind of storyline based with them since theres no real presence except the temples. Not to mention crystal desert would hopefully be an upcoming new zone even outside the fractal.

azureai.9764:

No. The fact that he has a last name, Gnashblade, tells you he’s not a gladium. There are tons of Legionaries that serve outside of the primary control of the Legions. Or are you going to tell me General Almorra Soulkeeper is a honorless gladium next?

Terribly wrong. Almorra is not honorless, but a gladium nonetheless. Tybalt is the most earnest engineer on Tyria, but he’s a gladium, too. Just because someone’s gladium doesn’t mean they can’t keep their chosen name. (Almorra’s entire warband was corrupted, while Tybalt was exiled by his own friends because he was shaky, old and old.)

So Gnashblade is an honorless gladium alright. He’s a confirmed traitor to the High Legions. Talk to his sylvari aide-de-camp in the BL HQ… she confirms Evon’s a deserter.

Any charr in his/her right mind would never support scum like him.

azureai.9764:

No. He created a system by which anyone ANYWHERE in Tyria, can make their goods available to anyone else. It’s a public need that’s been well received. From a lore perspective, he’s entitled to profit for making the system work (not to mention the system itself needs funds to work). You might as well blame eBay for having advertisements.

The astronomical amount of revenue he gets from those taxes only makes him richer. He never put a tiny fraction of that money to the betterment of Tyria, such as research into anti-ED and minion technologies, defenses of port settlements and vessels against Dead Ships, charity, etc. He did nothing for the good of Tyria.

So yes, Gnashblade is greedy, corrupt, and honorless all in one.

Come on guys we’re down by 4% right now. #VoteEvon!!!!

Better minigame, Better reward for price reducing aka the Black lion keys, and important to everything ever happening plus magic fractal.

this is why I vote for gnash.

but would like to know about the reactor but Kiels minigame blows and Waypoint cost is not much of a reward when I disregarded it back during the first week of gw2 make money poor people run cof path 1 and 2 and you’ll have enough money to wp your hearts out.

Thalador.4218:

if you vote for Evon, you support bribery which may result in more money in your pockets.

Fixed that for ya. I’m fine with taking bribes

Navzar.2938:

Thalador.4218:

if you vote for Evon, you support bribery which may result in more money in your pockets.

Fixed that for ya. I’m fine with taking bribes

Trickle-Down economics is a myth.

DeShadowWolf.6854:

If anything, it is more likely that Kiel is only offering the Thaumanova Reactor because she used it to get the waypoint reduction. But because of the divide of the Arcane Council and how the Inquest usually break the tie, she used Thaumanova to get her promise of waypoint reduction. So she is both working with the Inquest, and can’t keep her promises without the Arcane Council’s support.

Wouldn’t the Inquest want to discourage investigation into their activities, especially activities leading to such a disaster?

-Aeron Draxynnus

Come on people, work harder! We must win for our Lord Abaddon, otherwise, he’ll feast on your eyes!

Does Evon get votes for me making support buttons, or using the support buttons?

For making support buttons.

The thing is Evon is a kitten. All he ever does was only in HIS sole interest, and he will remain doing stuff the same way. Kiel does many things for others, and is in general people protector. I don’t thin she is hiding or anything, nor is she a coward. She is using adventurers to do her work cause if NPCes would do stuff alone this would be a movie, not an MMO.
Saying Evon would do a better job at anything other than filling his own pockets is very misplaced , I don’t believe ANYONE would be that naive. You COULD say “Fall of Abbadon” is more interesting than blowing up Metrica provinance reactor, but none of us knows it until we see either of them and I am basing my decision on who to vote for by who is doing, or at lest trying to do, better for LA – and that is clearly Kiel. Anything she fails to do is again sth that moves the story forward, withougth her failing sometimes we would have no jobs in this game. Evon on the other hand will move the story in a bad direction if you ask me. Having BL keys or WP discount is rly of no importance, it lasts for only 4 weeks, what will be a permanent change to the game is who we elect in council and who will drive the story forward.

And lastly, voting Evon is like voting Joffery from GoT to the throne – willingly putting a bad person in position of power – think if you want some1 like that in power.

So Evon is like Wario. Me likey!

Obey Evon! Destroy Kiel! (Someone with video editing skills please make this!)

Iarkrad.8415:

Says the employee that, last i checked, was responsible for game balance. You will have sole blame if Evon is victorious.

Izzy works on the loot system now.

Uh-oh what have I done!

Mackodlak.7961:

Saying Evon would do a better job at anything other than filling his own pockets is very misplaced

What do you base this on? Lion’s Arch is in part as large and prosperous as it is because of the business he runs. Whether he pursues things for his own ends does not change that others benefit from it as well. Much like this Fractal. In the worst case scenario he could be pursuing knowledge of Abaddon because he secretly worships the dead god, but others will benefit from concrete knowledge of the gods’ power and anything else we can learn by witnessing (at least part of) the battle between deities. If he is successful on the Council, the Council itself shares in that success because he becomes part of that entity.

This is of course not mentioning the fact that by electing him into a body that is not privately run, and operates at least partially based on democratic practices like votes, we effectively set a limit on what he is capable of doing as an individual.

Under the same circumstances, Kiel becomes free from many of her limitations and we LOSE ways to keep her hurricane fantasies and ideals in check. She can effectively run wild compared to the position she was previously in. Idealistically Kiel is certainly more benevolent than Evon, but what she does For the people cannot be measured by concrete standards. Evon’s success has brought prosperity and success to many while Kiel so far has very little success to boast of her own (that she didn’t outright steal from under the Player’s nose), and while her failures may move the plot forward, it has unanimously led to negative outcomes for all.

It is no coincidence Kiel wants to investigate the site of a giant explosion. It is thematically consistent with the explosive failure of her recent history. One can be certain that electing her will lead to more of both (explosions and failure).

I wouldn’t call Kiel’s history a string of failures. She coordinated the defense and counterattack of Lion’s Arch against the karka. She solved the Southsun Crisis. Yes, these were with teh aid of adventurers, but do you really expect her to go up against champion karka alone? She was running the investigation while we kept things stable.

Yes, one explosive got through. An explosive that was formed through Inquest magic, that involved bringing together multiple parts that were innocuous individually. By couriers holding diplomatic rights, what’s more. I’d like to see how Evon Gnashblade, or any of you other armchair security heads, explain how you intend to protect against every possible threat that the villains of Tyria might come up with without knowing what that threat is or what to look for!

In fact, one thing I would agree with here is that it probably is no coincidence that Kiel wants to investigate the site of the reactor “accident”. We know the Inquest was responsible for providing the magitechnical means for the assassination – we also have strong evidence that the Inquest was responsible for the reactor disaster. Her desire to investigate the Reactor is probably at least in part motivated by finding out some of what the Inquest has been up to, so she, or her Lionguard replacement, will be better placed to predict and foil their future plots.

-Magister Lothar Draxynnus

Evon is a vote for RNG.

Onshidesigns.1069:

Evon is a vote for RNG.

Just like Kiel is a vote for botting. I will say what I say to all people: the temporary benefit is not what you should be basing this vote on.

A slight price drop on keys for a few weeks isn’t going to magically turn people who weren’t already buying keys into gamblers, nor will it attract very many people on the fence about the gem store, because they’re generally interested more in things like the infinite gathering tools and cosmetic stuff.

Okay I will vote for whoever gives more face / hair options in character creation game along with weapon skins and armor. I’m pretty sure we will get lore regardless of whoever wins because that’s what keep players playing the game.

Sorry, Ellen all the way from me

Aupheus.9038:

Sorry, Ellen all the way from me

You realize this is the wrong thread for that, right?

Archmortal.1027:

Aupheus.9038:

Sorry, Ellen all the way from me

You realize this is the wrong thread for that, right?

That doesn’t stop the pro-Evon posts in the Kiel thread.

Who wants to make a campaign video for Evon? My video skills are terrible so here is some lines. :

Vote for Evon Gnashblade for Lions Arch Council! Bring racial diversity to Lions Arch.

Vote Evon Gnashblade, bring prosperity to Lions Arch.

Hello. I want to state up front that I will not respond to this post. I have already been in many debates in-game with players and I’m not starting here. I will be posting copies of this post in every major Cutthroat Politics thread. This view is the facts as I see them, and my earnest plea to get you to vote for Evon Gnashblade, nothing more, nothing less. If you bother to read this at all I thank you for your time. So here goes:

I’m here to ask you all to vote for Evon. Not just because I am a GW1 vet and a lore-nerd and I want to see the Abbadon fractal because to me it represents the missing scene in a lore series which has been the highlight of a few great years of my gaming life, but because it makes the most logical sense, politically and I want to see a better Lion’s Arch. A stronger more connected Lion’s Arch. Most of the quibbling about who to vote for is morality and not wanting to vote for the villain. If you genuinely want the Thaumnova Reactor fractal, that’s fine, but voting Kiel for any other reason makes no logical sense.

I’m going to get this out of the way here. THE SHORT TERM REWARDS DO NOT MATTER. They will be gone in 4 weeks and no one will remember “how awesome the 1 gold I saved on travel was”. What truly matters is the long term reward Anet has stated on this forum and elsewhere I believe that they will not make both fractals. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying unintentionally or otherwise to get your vote.
Now on to the issue of “morality”: Evon Gnashblade is not a villain. To put this in simplistic D&D alignment terms he is dark gray Lawful Neutral at worst. He is a business man. He is a CHARR, business man. He is not a scoundrel or a cheat. He does his business deals fairly, but ruthlessly. As any successful business man should. He takes risks. He is best for Lion’s Arch, Which I feel I must remind people, is a city founded by pirates, run by former pirates, and based on the idea of fair judgment based on one’s actions. Did we really forget what they’re being elected for: A trade agreement? Who would be the best choice to set up a trade agreement that benefits Lion’s Arch and Zephyr Sanctum? The leader of a multi-racial, continent-spanning trade business, or an inspector turned war hero with no real political or business experience? Evon has done nothing wrong. So what if he overheard the council seat was going up for election based on a trade agreement? The fact that wasn’t common knowledge just makes Kiel and Magni look worse, not better. Kiel is a pawn. She is only joining the council at all to help Magni. While I agree Magni the Bloody-Handed is awesome, Kiel is not a leader. She is a good person, and honest and dependable person, but she has almost no experience being a leader or making tough decisions for the people. She is a war hero. That’s it. Evon Gnashblade runs a successful business that spans the continent as well as racial boundaries. What harm could he do by being on the council? Oooh he might use his economically successful business to bring more trade into an economically-dependent port city? The scoundrel! Is he susceptible to corruption? Isn’t every politician? Is he promising rewards to his voters? Doesn’t every politician? (Kiel included, or did we forget Thaumnova and reduced travel costs?) What I notice people seem to think is that Kiel, despite doing similar things and, once again, being a pawn in a larger bid for council consolidation by Magni, (Yes, electing your friends to help you stay head of something is bad but it’s politically sound and I don’t blame him.) is morally superior. The truth is: she isn’t. If ignorance constitutes moral superiority then I am a sinner and I wish to remain so.

What I guess I’m trying to say with all of this is even if you’re only voting Kiel for the “morality” that doing so makes no sense. If you’re voting for Kiel for the politics it makes no logical sense. If you want Thaumnova, then vote Kiel. I agree with you on that and I wish we could have both, but please don’t condemn those of us who want the Abbadon Fractal to lose it over misguided morality and bad politics. Evon may look like a “bad guy” but that doesn’t mean he’s the bad guy. Please reconsider your vote. I’m asking as a player. Don’t believe that crap about A-Net favoring Evon. Kiel isn’t an underdog story, it seems from my perspective to be a lot of misguided people voting for what they are being led to believe is a right, just or losing cause. It isn’t.
Vote for Evon Gnashblade. Vote for a better Lion’s Arch, and a story worth finishing.
Thank you.

Mr Agony.1632:

What harm could he do by being on the council? Oooh he might use his economically successful business to bring more trade into an economically-dependent port city? The scoundrel!

Your assumption here is that he’d use his business to benefit Lion’s Arch, not the other way around. Being on the Captain’s Council would give him the opportunity to attempt to push through legislation that grants him a legal monopoly or otherwise makes it untenable for anyone to effectively compete with him. Once he has that monopoly, he has the opportunity to bend every citizen of Lion’s Arch that needs to trade over a barrel, raking in the coin at the expense of everyone else.

Think of the anti-monopoly suits that were made against Microsoft a decade or so ago, and then ask yourself how tenable it would be to keep Microsoft under control if Bill Gates controlled one-eightth of the Senate. There’s a reason most democracies require that people in office divest themselves of any investments that might represent a conflict of interest in their ministerial responsibilities, and LA doesn’t have such safeguards. If Evon was to be voted into office, the only thing stopping him from using his seat to benefit his own business at the expense of everyone else’s is the opposition of other members of the Council.

And given what we see in the candidates’ trials, he doesn’t have the moral center that Kiel has to prevent such behaviour. It’s possible that he’d see salvage rights as one thing and abuse of power to benefit his business as another, but at the moment we have nothing to reassure us that he wouldn’t use his position to build an unassailable monopoly.

ilr.9675:

Navzar.2938:

Thalador.4218:

if you vote for Evon, you support bribery which may result in more money in your pockets.

Fixed that for ya. I’m fine with taking bribes

Trickle-Down economics is a myth.

Oh trust me, it won’t be trickling down. You want Gnashblade cash, you have to work with Gnashblade :p

One word: Abaddon!

draxynnic.3719:

Yes, one explosive got through. An explosive that was formed through Inquest magic, that involved bringing together multiple parts that were innocuous individually. By couriers holding diplomatic rights, what’s more. I’d like to see how Evon Gnashblade, or any of you other armchair security heads, explain how you intend to protect against every possible threat that the villains of Tyria might come up with without knowing what that threat is or what to look for!

Evon is much more proactive than Kiel has proven herself to be. He looks out for future trouble, while she merely reacts to it. We need PROACTIVE people on the council, who can foresee issues like Southsun before they begin.

Evon will work for his interests, to be sure, but his interests lay with Lion’s Arch.

^Well it is a trade city after all. So a big business guy like Evon is perfect for it since they both want to continue to expand trade.

draxynnic.3719:

Mr Agony.1632:

What harm could he do by being on the council? Oooh he might use his economically successful business to bring more trade into an economically-dependent port city? The scoundrel!

Your assumption here is that he’d use his business to benefit Lion’s Arch, not the other way around. Being on the Captain’s Council would give him the opportunity to attempt to push through legislation that grants him a legal monopoly or otherwise makes it untenable for anyone to effectively compete with him. Once he has that monopoly, he has the opportunity to bend every citizen of Lion’s Arch that needs to trade over a barrel, raking in the coin at the expense of everyone else.

Think of the anti-monopoly suits that were made against Microsoft a decade or so ago, and then ask yourself how tenable it would be to keep Microsoft under control if Bill Gates controlled one-eightth of the Senate. There’s a reason most democracies require that people in office divest themselves of any investments that might represent a conflict of interest in their ministerial responsibilities, and LA doesn’t have such safeguards. If Evon was to be voted into office, the only thing stopping him from using his seat to benefit his own business at the expense of everyone else’s is the opposition of other members of the Council.

And given what we see in the candidates’ trials, he doesn’t have the moral center that Kiel has to prevent such behaviour. It’s possible that he’d see salvage rights as one thing and abuse of power to benefit his business as another, but at the moment we have nothing to reassure us that he wouldn’t use his position to build an unassailable monopoly.

Well since this post is only in one place now I’m going to break my original statement of no responses this once. Because I feel this post was covered in my original post but I may need to clear it up a bit:

In order:

1: He already has a basic monopoly if you haven’t noticed branches of his business in every city, many outposts including Pact outposts in Orr and the fact that all player trade runs through his auction houses. So whats the harm in granting him the ability and obvious incentive to benefit the city’s trade since its mostly his trade to begin with? Granted this doesn’t cover all merchants but do you honestly expect the council to let him do that? They’re pirates. They’re in it for a profit somewhere and if they let him take it all then what good are they? He’s being elected to council, not president. In addition, he’d negotiate good trade with other cities and Zephyr Sanctum because he’s already got people in the former and has more economic experience to benefit the latter. Kiel could abuse her council seat as well if so inclined. The only reason people worry about Evon is that if he wanted to abuse his power he’s both connected and intelligent enough to do so to some effect if not entirely. Kiel, as far as I’m concerned, doesn’t have the spine or brains to pull it off herself.

You want honesty from me? If Evon Gnashblade is as intelligent and as large a philanthropist as Bill Gates then sure he can have an eighth of the Senate, no complaints. Not like its getting better on its own and sometimes you just hit the Godzilla Threshold.

He’s a charr and a ruthlessly successful business man. I addressed his lack of a definitive moral center in the post above. We have no assurance that Kiel isn’t a pawn in a larger power bid by Magnus, or that she can handle the pressure or that she can lead or that she’s even able to understand the concepts that ruling a city like Lion’s Arch would entail. I would prefer to have experience and economic administrative success, not a democratic pirate remake of The Princess Diaries. With Magnus the Bloody Handed as Julie Andrews.

Simply put:

Because even if he has an effective monopoly, he still needs to keep in mind that if his fees become unpalatable, then a competitor could arise to take advantage of the dissatisfaction at any time. The potential for competition can be just as effective as actual competition in keeping a business’s prices and fees reasonable.

If he uses his seat in the Council to pass laws that forbid competition, however, that restraint disappears, and he can be as abusive as he likes to his customers.

While that may be true, when the council is a group of people who, at the very least, are also in it for profit, they aren’t going to agree with his plan to bring all of Lion’s Arch over a barrel unless they are gaining something out of it. Then the entire council is corrupt and at that point the city itself will rebel. The point is since that, in all actuality will not happen, Evon is still a good choice for the council.

What I keep hearing about is his potential to do evil, but no one acknowledges his greater potential for good. Power and success are inherently neutral. Since we have seen no indication of his so called “dark intentions” for monopoly and ransom of the city’s trade already then why are we giving up a good candidate for a lesser one?

I liked Gnashblade’s marqueting, but when i read the “when i be elected”, i remember of brazilians politics

I think Gnashblade can help who alredy have lv 80 and some resources.

I want to know more about Abaddon. Vote for THE BLACK LION!

Also having read up on the lore bits I missed by being absent during the last month or so of Living story Kiel is obviously in it for herself even more than Gnashblade. Honestly she’s either totally incompetent or worse totally evil guarded by a thick bulwark of Obfuscating Stupidity. She’s literally one of the worst political candidates I’ve ever seen and yet she’s well liked.

Really you have a choice between a powerful candidate who can be either a force for good or evil, but has shown no signs of evil intent. Or the other candidate who is either a pawn, a fool, incompetent or a ruthless liar who cares only for her own goals. Where is her potential for good? Where is it stated that she would ever be a good leader or even have the knowledge or skills to be?

She doesn’t.

Arena Net I salute you for giving us a true political election. Complete with the uninformed masses ruining everything for everyone else.

You have my sincerest envy.

I think you’re underestimating how murky politics can be. It’s not going to be a case of Gnashblade standing up immediately and saying “I want to have a total monopoly!”. It’d be a series of you-scratch-my-back-I’ll-scratch-yours deals, Evon voting for something another councilor wants now so that that councilor votes for something Evon wants later, all the while solidifying his hold on the market.

As for this dingleberry about Kiel being stupid or in it with the bad guys… cite your reasoning please? So far, the claims I’ve seen on that basis have been based on people having missed most of what actually happened during the Secret of Southsun content. Admittedly, ArenaNet did make it very easy to miss, which is something their writer said they were going to do better in previous releases, but the fact remains it’s usually a misunderstanding of the content.

draxynnic.3719:

I think you’re underestimating how murky politics can be. It’s not going to be a case of Gnashblade standing up immediately and saying “I want to have a total monopoly!”. It’d be a series of you-scratch-my-back-I’ll-scratch-yours deals, Evon voting for something another councilor wants now so that that councilor votes for something Evon wants later, all the while solidifying his hold on the market.

As for this dingleberry about Kiel being stupid or in it with the bad guys… cite your reasoning please? So far, the claims I’ve seen on that basis have been based on people having missed most of what actually happened during the Secret of Southsun content. Admittedly, ArenaNet did make it very easy to miss, which is something their writer said they were going to do better in previous releases, but the fact remains it’s usually a misunderstanding of the content.

First off, I think you underestimate both my grasp on the concepts we’re discussing as well as the grasp of the other council members. The fact that he wasn’t going to march into the council chambers yelling for total domination was a foregone conclusion. To the point that I am honestly wondering why you brought it up.

I already stated that if he somehow managed to corrupt the entire council, knowingly or unknowingly, through bribery, intimidation, black mail, etc etc that it would force the citizens into rebellion for basic goods and services. However the council members are not idiots. They won’t allow one member to stranglehold their city, so if there are already safeguards in place then shouldn’t we be less worried about the election of Evon and more about the other members already on the council? Honestly if Evon can bring the whole council over a barrel that easily then what good are they anyway? I still see no counter argument as to why we automatically assume he’ll go directly to evil. Nothing he has done is evil, only good business. You’re construing inherently neutral concepts and making them look bad for your own purposes.

As for the second part, Kiel has no definitive leadership skills that I have seen in any of the dialogues I’ve been able to find. In addition, reading the letters from the previous content if E is Evon( as is briefly alluded to) and Scarlet is Ellen as is entirely possible then wouldn’t it make sense for Kiel to feign goodness, and put the blame for the previous council seats death on someone else to achieve her own ends? Conjecture aside. If not then she still failed to protect the previous council seat. That much is fact. On top of that she remains under-qualified, as I have stated repeatedly throughout the previous posts and as of yet has not been addressed. Honestly who would you want negotiating trade for an entire city? A seasoned head of an economic giant, or a would-be war hero who has yet to test her mettle in any arena besides physical combat, which by the way Evon is also incredibly skilled in. There is no reason to vote Kiel besides Thaumnova, and for those of us who want the logically better candidate sitting in the council chair, as well as the final piece to a story which meant a lot to those of us who played GW1, watching Kiel win(if she manages to win) will kill a little piece of me because honestly most of the reasons people are voting for Kiel are ignorant, under-thought crap, or questions of morality which in all honesty hold no water at all. I don’t blame you if you want Thaumnova, but Kiel is simply not whats best for the city, and voting for any reason besides Thaumnova is basically, as far as I can see it, ignorant or at best akin to voting your friend to a position they aren’t suited for because they’re your friend. I don’t want a morally superior choice if it isn’t going to make anything better. If Evon is “evil” then he is a necessary evil and I support him.

Derpula Stevens.8249:

I’ll probably make an IC post later, but for now, here’s a picture of an Evon supporting Quaggan!

I’m stealing this and using as my Signature forever. If he wins it will be a mark of triumph, in the unfortunate and troubling case which he loses it will be a testament to how things should have been.