Guild Wars 2

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

Community coordinator =/= developer.

True enough.

But why should a developer post something that will say exactly the same?
Does it somehow make it better because the person posting it happens to have a certain title?

Depends what the developer will say.

I would like to know if they realize it’s wrong to delete progression or if they are okay with it. I would also like to know why they have to do that. There seems to be a couple of solutions that have been brought up throughout the other thread.

Like I said, the only reason they have given us, is that they are introducing leaderboards and that’s why we must be reset to 30. I would rather not have my work deleted so that I can “compete” in something that I couldn’t care less about.

They did not delete PvP ranks when leaderboards were rolled out.

Obviously they won’t tell me this, but I’m interested in how the meeting went. Did somebody say “Hey, lets do leaderboards” “But we’ll have to delete progress so people are even” “Yeah, nobody will care, they love us deleting their progression!” Or did one developer say “Guys, we might want to think about that, I don’t think the players will be okay with that” “Na, that’s just the minority, they don’t matter”

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

Can we have a developer respond?

Right now its the community arguing against the community, which really doesn’t matter.

We would like to know how the developers feel about deleting our progression rightfully earner, in order for leaderboards to come out, for which nobody wants or asked.

You got a response.
Until they have gathered feedback this is what you will get. Simple as that.

Regardless the reasoning of Anet or community as a whole, the clock is ticking. If feedback is being gathered, there’s many more players actually happy with the change than those that are unhappy, strictly because of minority involvement in fractals over the past year. The hardcore fractal playerbase will be hurt, but most of the playerbase thoughout the game will be either pleased or neutral.

That being said there is two factors at play right now:

Time

What can really be done in remaining few days, even if Anet would take us seriously? Considering that they’re gathering feedback at this time, by the time they make up their mind, put it into implementation along with informing the community about possible “changes”, they’ll still have to program the whole thing along with doing test runs. Even if that would start today, from past responses I understand they have weekends off, so we are pretty much sitting on 3 days to work with, that’s if they start right now. Content was already completed and ready to go. It’s all pretty much written in stone at this point.

Majority

Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.

With all that stated, I really wish you guys would have done what you did with skill balancing update that will happen in December. Post it on community forum a month in advance and gather feedback before thus drastic changes take place.

Aside from that at least I’m somewhat satisfied that you guys actually read our concerns, even though it is very unlikely anything will be done at this point in time. And it’s fully understood seeing how little time you have to work with.

lordkrall.7241:

Romo.3709:

I personally never been one to promote going past level 50 since it was obviously not intended. But that being said one of the devs responses was clearly that the curve up to level 50 is way easier than it was before. With that in mind, the challenge that was there to begin with is being taken away and “chips” are nowhere in sight.

Yes, they say that the CURVE will be less difficult. That does not mean that it will be less difficult overall, just that it will increase in difficulty in a more steady stream.

Also keep in mind that the difficulty of the Fractals have nothing at all to do with the Instabilities, so they might indeed increase the difficulty of the Fractals, even if the difficulty of the Fractals themselves are slightly lowered.

But why would Anet first say “kitten you” to people with the experience of doing content harder than lvl 30 and then make the new content harder than old so new people have difficulties getting into it? If you think about it that’s the last thing that could be happening.

I wonder if the developer’s understand the damage there doing to the company and the game its self.

Deleting someone progression even for a new system with no compensation will damage the trust of the community.

I think where seeing it in spades right now with these threads popping up. I also think Anets heavy handed censorship of topics they don’t like is also damaging them as a company.

Since they think this is such a great idea… then they should reset all progress in wvw before season 2 and hold match up’s between the servers to see who is the best. Yes everyone would lose there hard work but … according to the development team it would be for the best because seasons introduced a new style of game play.

Romo.3709:

Majority

Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.

That’s not okay. It’s okay to design content that caters to the majority, but it’s not okay to punish the minority in order to do.

That minority will still be player fractals (the new content) if they keep playing. The majority they are catering to will stop playing within a month.

Dalent.9358:

Relativity.3264:

Dalent.9358:

all you 50+ people would be DESTROYED in fractals 50, and would probably start over anyways

you’ve never played

Don’t quote me out of context. Cause then context gets screwed up and sends the wrong message. Can’t believe you think I’ve never played.

Also, difficulty curb is relative. Could simply mean agony curb. Easy for some, hard for others. Could mean more targeting circles. Etc. etc.

I believe he meant you haven’t done the new 50, so you have no clue if we’ll get destroyed or not.

Knowing the top PvE guilds and how the developers play, I’m willing to bet they will not get destroyed.

I don’t see the whole drama with this reseting thing. Yes people won’t be able to just do lvl 48 immediately and yes they will have to pug their way up again, but are you guys forgetting how fast it is to level up? especially with 3 new fractals and 1? more boss fractal. Those last 20 levels will be achieved within a week or so (for the hardcore players).

I’m pro this reset and I don’t mind losing my higher ranks. It will be fun again leveling up

When announced Fractured, Anet didn’t announce methods of compensation for players losing equity invested in higher fractal levels, 30+. For the uninitiated, level is a form of equity, as w/ equipment, gears, titles etc. Players don’t expect to log in the next day to see their equity wiped away and started all over again. And I’m pretty sure wiping customer’s equity is a very effective way to lose customers, short term and long term.

Being said that, new contents and new gears will obviously destroy some forms of equity, but good company will always try to maintain the previous value of equity or in case, maintaining previous equity couldn’t be done due to various internal reasons, then they should compensate generously for equity loss due the decision to destroy equity isn’t initiated by the customers. The key here is generously.

Since most players are spending time in the game for cosmetic reasons, I would suggest specific skin per levels, i.e 30,40,50 etc would be appropriate per character achieving such level but my suggestion is just merely a suggestion. And please take notice that the skin (or whatever deems appropriate) awarded is also a form of equity, so please don’t wipe it by introduced it again to lower its value.

Omgosh…. A red post….. On my thread…..

is starstruck

Anyway, yes, carry on.

Fairness for everyone!

Nabuko Darayon.9645:

I don’t see the whole drama with this reseting thing. Yes people won’t be able to just do lvl 48 immediately and yes they will have to pug their way up again, but are you guys forgetting how fast it is to level up? especially with 3 new fractals and 1? more boss fractal. Those last 20 levels will be achieved within a week or so (for the hardcore players).

I’m pro this reset and I don’t mind losing my higher ranks. It will be fun again leveling up

That is not what I want, so please don’t tell me so.

If it’s so fast to level up, then why not start it at 50?

We have one group saying that it’s so easy to do 30-50 so we shouldn’t care that we got reset, and the other group saying it’s in order to not make the casuals do 30-50 because it’s so hard and tedious.

People don’t want to do the work we did to get there, but don’t care that we are losing that.

JMar.3254:

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

Community coordinator =/= developer.

Logic is hard. Check my sig.

True enough.

But why should a developer post something that will say exactly the same?
Does it somehow make it better because the person posting it happens to have a certain title?

Depends what the developer will say.

I would like to know if they realize it’s wrong to delete progression or if they are okay with it. I would also like to know why they have to do that. There seems to be a couple of solutions that have been brought up throughout the other thread.

Like I said, the only reason they have given us, is that they are introducing leaderboards and that’s why we must be reset to 30. I would rather not have my work deleted so that I can “compete” in something that I couldn’t care less about.

They did not delete PvP ranks when leaderboards were rolled out.

Obviously they won’t tell me this, but I’m interested in how the meeting went. Did somebody say “Hey, lets do leaderboards” “But we’ll have to delete progress so people are even” “Yeah, nobody will care, they love us deleting their progression!” Or did one developer say “Guys, we might want to think about that, I don’t think the players will be okay with that” “Na, that’s just the minority, they don’t matter”

on top of that logic seems to be really hard they tell us to remove our Levels for fair leaderboards… but why are leaderbaords fair where some start at 30 over 50% completed and others start at 0 ? I really don’t get the reasoning behind.. I would have understood ( NOT AGREED) a fullreset to 0 way more.

only explonation is they saw 20% are over 30 sooo let’s just set em up and not screw up the 80% around 0-30… there is no other way I get this otherwise…:)

JMar.3254:

Romo.3709:

Majority

Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.

That’s not okay. It’s okay to design content that caters to the majority, but it’s not okay to punish the minority in order to do.

That minority will still be player fractals (the new content) if they keep playing. The majority they are catering to will stop playing within a month.

You’ve never been punished before if you think this reset is “punishment”. Or as Inigo Montoya once said, ‘You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.’

They’re taking away the access to the old style of Fractals post-30 for everyone, not just those that made it. No one will be there again regardless. However, ANet giveth more when they taketh away and we’ll all have access to new challenges, better rewards, new Fractals, new bosses, etc. In exchange for access to the old style 30+ you gain access to the new style 30+ and all that comes with it.

JMar.3254:

Romo.3709:

Majority

Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.

That’s not okay. It’s okay to design content that caters to the majority, but it’s not okay to punish the minority in order to do.

That minority will still be player fractals (the new content) if they keep playing. The majority they are catering to will stop playing within a month.

No, it is not ok. Whatever they’re throwing at us at the moment doesn’t make it ok. But there’s nothing we can really do about it. I myself have 3 toons in level 49 and I recently started leveling my 4th… The time was wasted and could have been used towards making actual gold, rather than making progress that is now technically being stripped off off us. The fact is that the content will start this Tuesday and nothing major will be done to it, if anything will be done to it at all.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

on top of that logic seems to be really hard they tell us to remove our Levels for fair leaderboards… but why are leaderbaords fair where some start at 30 over 50% completed and others start at 0 ? I really don’t get the reasoning behind.. I would have understood ( NOT AGREED) a fullreset to 0 way more.

only explonation is they saw 20% are over 30 sooo let’s just set em up and not screw up the 80% around 0-30… there is no other way I get this otherwise…:)

Agreed. They pick the level that would allow the most people to try it while upsetting the least. Just another instance where they cater to the casual players.

Romo.3709:

JMar.3254:

Romo.3709:

Majority

Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.

That’s not okay. It’s okay to design content that caters to the majority, but it’s not okay to punish the minority in order to do.

That minority will still be player fractals (the new content) if they keep playing. The majority they are catering to will stop playing within a month.

No, it is not ok. Whatever they’re throwing at us at the moment doesn’t make it ok. But there’s nothing we can really do about it. I myself have 3 toons in level 49 and I recently started leveling my 4th… The time was wasted and could have been used towards making actual gold, rather than making progress that is now technically being stripped off off us. The fact is that the content will start this Tuesday and nothing major will be done to it, if anything will be done to it at all.

As someone who was leveling a fourth character for Fractals, what do you think about the fractal levels becoming account bound?

JMar.3254:

Dalent.9358:

Relativity.3264:

Dalent.9358:

all you 50+ people would be DESTROYED in fractals 50, and would probably start over anyways

you’ve never played

Don’t quote me out of context. Cause then context gets screwed up and sends the wrong message. Can’t believe you think I’ve never played.

Also, difficulty curb is relative. Could simply mean agony curb. Easy for some, hard for others. Could mean more targeting circles. Etc. etc.

I believe he meant you haven’t done the new 50, so you have no clue if we’ll get destroyed or not.

Knowing the top PvE guilds and how the developers play, I’m willing to bet they will not get destroyed.

My point was that no one has done it, so don’t assume anything other than it’s literal fractal number. I quoted him out of context because, well, I was doing the same he did.

Maybe destroyed was a bad choice of words, but I’m willing to bet it will be worth it.

Romo.3709:

JMar.3254:

Romo.3709:

Majority

Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.

That’s not okay. It’s okay to design content that caters to the majority, but it’s not okay to punish the minority in order to do.

That minority will still be player fractals (the new content) if they keep playing. The majority they are catering to will stop playing within a month.

No, it is not ok. Whatever they’re throwing at us at the moment doesn’t make it ok. But there’s nothing we can really do about it. I myself have 3 toons in level 49 and I recently started leveling my 4th… The time was wasted and could have been used towards making actual gold, rather than making progress that is now technically being stripped off off us. The fact is that the content will start this Tuesday and nothing major will be done to it, if anything will be done to it at all.

But we should still fight for it. I know nothing will happen, but if we don’tsay anything we’ll just let Anet get away with it, thinking that we’re okay with it.

Soon it will happen to WvW progression, PvP progression, items, etc where it gets erased in order to roll out new content.

They are setting a precedent that could destroy the future of the game.

Nabuko Darayon.9645:

I don’t see the whole drama with this reseting thing. Yes people won’t be able to just do lvl 48 immediately and yes they will have to pug their way up again, but are you guys forgetting how fast it is to level up? especially with 3 new fractals and 1? more boss fractal. Those last 20 levels will be achieved within a week or so (for the hardcore players).

I’m pro this reset and I don’t mind losing my higher ranks. It will be fun again leveling up

ok 1 stated here pugging takes about 2 hours scale so let me think pugging up my Levels again is 102 hours I personally think this is much time, especially for getting somthing back:)

JMar.3254:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

on top of that logic seems to be really hard they tell us to remove our Levels for fair leaderboards… but why are leaderbaords fair where some start at 30 over 50% completed and others start at 0 ? I really don’t get the reasoning behind.. I would have understood ( NOT AGREED) a fullreset to 0 way more.

only explonation is they saw 20% are over 30 sooo let’s just set em up and not screw up the 80% around 0-30… there is no other way I get this otherwise…:)

Agreed. They pick the level that would allow the most people to try it while upsetting the least. Just another instance where they cater to the casual players.

Aside from the implied insult in the use of the word ‘casual’, you’re correct. They chose accessibility as a major factor in setting the entry level to the new content.

In all honesty, had they for example chosen fractal level 50 as the entry point how many people do you think would bother having a go (or another go) at Fractals? Thirty is well within reach of the majority. Fifty is not. This is, quite simply, a smart decision for the game as a whole.

VOLKON.1290:

Aside from the implied insult in the use of the word ‘casual’, you’re correct. They chose accessibility as a major factor in setting the entry level to the new content.

In all honesty, had they for example chosen fractal level 50 as the entry point how many people do you think would bother having a go (or another go) at Fractals? Thirty is well within reach of the majority. Fifty is not. This is, quite simply, a smart decision for the game as a whole.

It’s not “implied”. You inferred it. I’m sorry if you take offense to somebody being called a “casual” player, but you shouldn’t, as that is an unoffensive term. If you do not know the definition, I would be happy to tell you.

But everybody keeps saying its so easy to do 30-49. So why shouldn’t they start at 50?

If it’s hard and tedious, then why should that work we’ve done be deleted so they can implement leaderboards?

Dalent.9358:

JMar.3254:

Dalent.9358:

Relativity.3264:

Dalent.9358:

all you 50+ people would be DESTROYED in fractals 50, and would probably start over anyways

you’ve never played

Don’t quote me out of context. Cause then context gets screwed up and sends the wrong message. Can’t believe you think I’ve never played.

Also, difficulty curb is relative. Could simply mean agony curb. Easy for some, hard for others. Could mean more targeting circles. Etc. etc.

I believe he meant you haven’t done the new 50, so you have no clue if we’ll get destroyed or not.

Knowing the top PvE guilds and how the developers play, I’m willing to bet they will not get destroyed.

My point was that no one has done it, so don’t assume anything other than it’s literal fractal number. I quoted him out of context because, well, I was doing the same he did.

Maybe destroyed was a bad choice of words, but I’m willing to bet it will be worth it.

Just a remark here fractal Levels always were acountbound in a sence you could open your fractal Level on any toon you had just go in a Party let them open the fractal go back to your lower toon. So what Advantage does it bring? I guess not really much besides not having to reroll for the daily chest wich is a minor issue
what disatvantages it has: I guess you can’t farm multiple daily chests

Ah wow, someone changed my thread title that’s not cool. Now it just looks like a Q.Q thread.
….

Q.Q

What was your thread title before?

It was Thread restarted fractal reset to 30, something along those lines. It didn’t have any connotation on how I felt about it, just a discussion thread….

Beauty is all in the mind of the beholder.

You can change the title back like Fractal level reset is equity wiped. Discuss.
Now you set the discussion level and limit the discussion to certain levels of knowledge.

God, Jmar, I still giggle every time I see your signature.

This was a thread that had a purpose of promoting discussion, now anyone new to the thread will just think we are whiners without legitimate concerns. Please, CC, moderator, dev, anyone! Change it back to something non biased and more discussion based!

JMar.3254:

But everybody keeps saying its so easy to do 30-49. So why shouldn’t they start at 50?

Because 30+ fractals now have some sort of challenge they didn’t have before. If they capped it at 50 then 30+ must now be pretty hard with the “new instabilities”. Gonna have to wait and see what they did.

SkyChef.5432:

You can change the title back like Fractal level reset is equity wiped. Discuss.
Now you set the discussion level and limit the discussion to certain levels of knowledge.

Done

Dromar.1027:

JMar.3254:

But everybody keeps saying its so easy to do 30-49. So why shouldn’t they start at 50?

Because 30+ fractals now have some sort of challenge they didn’t have before. If they capped it at 50 then 30+ must now be pretty hard with the “new instabilities”. Gonna have to wait and see what they did.

Ok, but do you at least understand why we would be angry at having our progress rolled back?

VOLKON.1290:

As someone who was leveling a fourth character for Fractals, what do you think about the fractal levels becoming account bound?

Account bound level announcement hurt me the most. I could cope with level being brought down to 30, but I’m loosing way more than 20 legit levels this way… I just wished I knew it’ll eventually become account bound so all the time wasted leveling my alts in low level fractals getting little to no rewards, could be put in a better use towards making a legendary or doing dungeons. I still don’t feel as hurt as a friend of mine that managed to get 7 characters up to upper level 40 over the past year.

JMar.3254:

But we should still fight for it. I know nothing will happen, but if we don’tsay anything we’ll just let Anet get away with it, thinking that we’re okay with it.

Soon it will happen to WvW progression, PvP progression, items, etc where it gets erased in order to roll out new content.

They are setting a precedent that could destroy the future of the game.

I’ve been fighting since the moment the information been released on Tuesday. I’ve written countless posts regarding the issue and reading through many opinions of various types of players. And from what I’m seeing is that most of the players are either fine or happy with it. The only hurt playerbase is the one that put the most amount of time and investment in fractals. And that’s a very small group compared to everyone else.

Developer’s involvement in the matter is very small to non-existant at this point. It has been almost three days since the debate started and they’ve been avoiding answering anything of value to us. The only thing we got after three days is that they’re reading and gathering feedback. Therefore no action has been taken and accounting for the amount of time that’s left before the actual release, no action will be taken because of time shortage.

There’s one thing that they don’t fully realize. And that is the fact that two weeks later after the next update will come out, all those players that they’re trying to please with fractals will move on to the next patch, leaving fractals behind. Small percentage will catch the fractal fever we’ve had for a year now, but aside from that, it’ll all be left behind just like it was till now. Except for all those hurt people working their way back up to what’s been rightfully earned the first time around.

We’ve build quite a community around fractals, helping people taht are new to it, getting others interested. Obviously we have some elitists here and there, but that’s expected. But now our community is being destroyed jsut to please other community for a short amount of time, untill we’re forgotten and left behind yet again.

As the matter of fact I’ve yet to see any WvW or PvP update that people were this unhappy about. Even GvG communities are being pleased with the Obsidian Sanctum arena where they can do their thing without affecting WvW in any way.

Romo.3709:

I’ve been fighting since the moment the information been released on Tuesday. I’ve written countless posts regarding the issue and reading through many opinions of various types of players. And from what I’m seeing is that most of the players are either fine or happy with it. The only hurt playerbase is the one that put the most amount of time and investment in fractals. And that’s a very small group compared to everyone else.

Developer’s involvement in the matter is very small to non-existant at this point. It has been almost three days since the debate started and they’ve been avoiding answering anything of value to us. The only thing we got after three days is that they’re reading and gathering feedback. Therefore no action has been taken and accounting for the amount of time that’s left before the actual release, no action will be taken because of time shortage.

There’s one thing that they don’t fully realize. And that is the fact that two weeks later after the next update will come out, all those players that they’re trying to please with fractals will move on to the next patch, leaving fractals behind. Small percentage will catch the fractal fever we’ve had for a year now, but aside from that, it’ll all be left behind just like it was till now. Except for all those hurt people working their way back up to what’s been rightfully earned the first time around.

We’ve build quite a community around fractals, helping people taht are new to it, getting others interested. Obviously we have some elitists here and there, but that’s expected. But now our community is being destroyed jsut to please other community for a short amount of time, untill we’re forgotten and left behind yet again.

As the matter of fact I’ve yet to see any WvW or PvP update that people were this unhappy about. Even GvG communities are being pleased with the Obsidian Sanctum arena where they can do their thing without affecting WvW in any way.

Nailed it.

Romo.3709:

VOLKON.1290:

As someone who was leveling a fourth character for Fractals, what do you think about the fractal levels becoming account bound?

Account bound level announcement hurt me the most. I could cope with level being brought down to 30, but I’m loosing way more than 20 legit levels this way… I just wished I knew it’ll eventually become account bound so all the time wasted leveling my alts in low level fractals getting little to no rewards, could be put in a better use towards making a legendary or doing dungeons. I still don’t feel as hurt as a friend of mine that managed to get 7 characters up to upper level 40 over the past year.

JMar.3254:

But we should still fight for it. I know nothing will happen, but if we don’tsay anything we’ll just let Anet get away with it, thinking that we’re okay with it.

Soon it will happen to WvW progression, PvP progression, items, etc where it gets erased in order to roll out new content.

They are setting a precedent that could destroy the future of the game.

I’ve been fighting since the moment the information been released on Tuesday. I’ve written countless posts regarding the issue and reading through many opinions of various types of players. And from what I’m seeing is that most of the players are either fine or happy with it. The only hurt playerbase is the one that put the most amount of time and investment in fractals. And that’s a very small group compared to everyone else.

Developer’s involvement in the matter is very small to non-existant at this point. It has been almost three days since the debate started and they’ve been avoiding answering anything of value to us. The only thing we got after three days is that they’re reading and gathering feedback. Therefore no action has been taken and accounting for the amount of time that’s left before the actual release, no action will be taken because of time shortage.

There’s one thing that they don’t fully realize. And that is the fact that two weeks later after the next update will come out, all those players that they’re trying to please with fractals will move on to the next patch, leaving fractals behind. Small percentage will catch the fractal fever we’ve had for a year now, but aside from that, it’ll all be left behind just like it was till now. Except for all those hurt people working their way back up to what’s been rightfully earned the first time around.

We’ve build quite a community around fractals, helping people taht are new to it, getting others interested. Obviously we have some elitists here and there, but that’s expected. But now our community is being destroyed jsut to please other community for a short amount of time, untill we’re forgotten and left behind yet again.

As the matter of fact I’ve yet to see any WvW or PvP update that people were this unhappy about. Even GvG communities are being pleased with the Obsidian Sanctum arena where they can do their thing without affecting WvW in any way.

You are, of course, missing entirely the possibility that the Developers might think this patch will actually increase the number of players regularly running Fractals. I’m not saying that I necessarily agree, but I definitely could see that as happening.

It could be that the rewards and leaderboards are actually enough to keep people running 48s. In which case it makes sense that everyone is reset to 30 so that we start on an equal footing.

Perhaps this is really just another “Short-term loss for long-term gain” scenario. The Developers likely realized people would be upset with lost progress, but ultimately decided that such immediately loss was better for Fractals in the long run.

Kilandros.2098:

Romo.3709:

VOLKON.1290:

As someone who was leveling a fourth character for Fractals, what do you think about the fractal levels becoming account bound?

Account bound level announcement hurt me the most. I could cope with level being brought down to 30, but I’m loosing way more than 20 legit levels this way… I just wished I knew it’ll eventually become account bound so all the time wasted leveling my alts in low level fractals getting little to no rewards, could be put in a better use towards making a legendary or doing dungeons. I still don’t feel as hurt as a friend of mine that managed to get 7 characters up to upper level 40 over the past year.

JMar.3254:

But we should still fight for it. I know nothing will happen, but if we don’tsay anything we’ll just let Anet get away with it, thinking that we’re okay with it.

Soon it will happen to WvW progression, PvP progression, items, etc where it gets erased in order to roll out new content.

They are setting a precedent that could destroy the future of the game.

I’ve been fighting since the moment the information been released on Tuesday. I’ve written countless posts regarding the issue and reading through many opinions of various types of players. And from what I’m seeing is that most of the players are either fine or happy with it. The only hurt playerbase is the one that put the most amount of time and investment in fractals. And that’s a very small group compared to everyone else.

Developer’s involvement in the matter is very small to non-existant at this point. It has been almost three days since the debate started and they’ve been avoiding answering anything of value to us. The only thing we got after three days is that they’re reading and gathering feedback. Therefore no action has been taken and accounting for the amount of time that’s left before the actual release, no action will be taken because of time shortage.

There’s one thing that they don’t fully realize. And that is the fact that two weeks later after the next update will come out, all those players that they’re trying to please with fractals will move on to the next patch, leaving fractals behind. Small percentage will catch the fractal fever we’ve had for a year now, but aside from that, it’ll all be left behind just like it was till now. Except for all those hurt people working their way back up to what’s been rightfully earned the first time around.

We’ve build quite a community around fractals, helping people taht are new to it, getting others interested. Obviously we have some elitists here and there, but that’s expected. But now our community is being destroyed jsut to please other community for a short amount of time, untill we’re forgotten and left behind yet again.

As the matter of fact I’ve yet to see any WvW or PvP update that people were this unhappy about. Even GvG communities are being pleased with the Obsidian Sanctum arena where they can do their thing without affecting WvW in any way.

You are, of course, missing entirely the possibility that the Developers might think this patch will actually increase the number of players regularly running Fractals. I’m not saying that I necessarily agree, but I definitely could see that as happening.

It could be that the rewards and leaderboards are actually enough to keep people running 48s. In which case it makes sense that everyone is reset to 30 so that we start on an equal footing.

Perhaps this is really just another “Short-term loss for long-term gain” scenario. The Developers likely realized people would be upset with lost progress, but ultimately decided that such immediately loss was better for Fractals in the long run.

But making everyone start at 30 isn’t equal footing. Making everyone start at 0 would be equal footing, but making it start at 30 is as close to equal footing as you can get while not moving the majority back much if at all.

It just seems like they’d rather keep a bunch of LS addicts than the actual games pros… Which is weird because these are the guys making guides and videos and stuff for new hardcore players to get them into it. These people might and already have left. This damages the community even more, if you ask me.

Dalent.9358:

My point was that no one has done it, so don’t assume anything other than it’s literal fractal number. I quoted him out of context because, well, I was doing the same he did.

Maybe destroyed was a bad choice of words, but I’m willing to bet it will be worth it.

No I was talking about current fotm 77/79. There’s no gambit in the world that will make 50 as hard as those are now, but if you say we’ll get “Destroyed” it hints that you’ve never done 70+.

I’ve seen far too many people defend this patch while saying things that clearly show they don’t know fractals. (Ie: “Just level to 80 again after the patch!”…)

Account bound level does not destroy equity but the decision to move reward from character to account destroy equity investment in developing alts. This in turn destroys all activities involving characters. I can’t speculate why decision is initiated this way but it seems to be influenced by corporation strategy and direction.

Therodin.2970:

Kilandros.2098:

Romo.3709:

VOLKON.1290:

As someone who was leveling a fourth character for Fractals, what do you think about the fractal levels becoming account bound?

Account bound level announcement hurt me the most. I could cope with level being brought down to 30, but I’m loosing way more than 20 legit levels this way… I just wished I knew it’ll eventually become account bound so all the time wasted leveling my alts in low level fractals getting little to no rewards, could be put in a better use towards making a legendary or doing dungeons. I still don’t feel as hurt as a friend of mine that managed to get 7 characters up to upper level 40 over the past year.

JMar.3254:

But we should still fight for it. I know nothing will happen, but if we don’tsay anything we’ll just let Anet get away with it, thinking that we’re okay with it.

Soon it will happen to WvW progression, PvP progression, items, etc where it gets erased in order to roll out new content.

They are setting a precedent that could destroy the future of the game.

I’ve been fighting since the moment the information been released on Tuesday. I’ve written countless posts regarding the issue and reading through many opinions of various types of players. And from what I’m seeing is that most of the players are either fine or happy with it. The only hurt playerbase is the one that put the most amount of time and investment in fractals. And that’s a very small group compared to everyone else.

Developer’s involvement in the matter is very small to non-existant at this point. It has been almost three days since the debate started and they’ve been avoiding answering anything of value to us. The only thing we got after three days is that they’re reading and gathering feedback. Therefore no action has been taken and accounting for the amount of time that’s left before the actual release, no action will be taken because of time shortage.

There’s one thing that they don’t fully realize. And that is the fact that two weeks later after the next update will come out, all those players that they’re trying to please with fractals will move on to the next patch, leaving fractals behind. Small percentage will catch the fractal fever we’ve had for a year now, but aside from that, it’ll all be left behind just like it was till now. Except for all those hurt people working their way back up to what’s been rightfully earned the first time around.

We’ve build quite a community around fractals, helping people taht are new to it, getting others interested. Obviously we have some elitists here and there, but that’s expected. But now our community is being destroyed jsut to please other community for a short amount of time, untill we’re forgotten and left behind yet again.

As the matter of fact I’ve yet to see any WvW or PvP update that people were this unhappy about. Even GvG communities are being pleased with the Obsidian Sanctum arena where they can do their thing without affecting WvW in any way.

You are, of course, missing entirely the possibility that the Developers might think this patch will actually increase the number of players regularly running Fractals. I’m not saying that I necessarily agree, but I definitely could see that as happening.

It could be that the rewards and leaderboards are actually enough to keep people running 48s. In which case it makes sense that everyone is reset to 30 so that we start on an equal footing.

Perhaps this is really just another “Short-term loss for long-term gain” scenario. The Developers likely realized people would be upset with lost progress, but ultimately decided that such immediately loss was better for Fractals in the long run.

But making everyone start at 30 isn’t equal footing. Making everyone start at 0 would be equal footing, but making it start at 30 is as close to equal footing as you can get while not moving the majority back much if at all.

It puts all of the advanced Fractal runners (i.e., those currently at 30+) on an equal footing to compete in the leader boards.

People cant understand that fractal levels are decided by a mad asura scientist investigating the mists. When she changes here experiment parameters everyone cant believe there eyes.

My fractal level is being pushed back to 30. Yes that originally bothered me. Then I saw that fractal level is account bound. Ok. That makes leveling alts SO much easier for me.

My compensation for losing levels on my main is gaining 30 levels on 9 other characters that I hadn’t gotten to starting on fractals yet.

Very excited for the reward changes and the fact that the skins will be real SKINS.

Want to know if the recipe to infuse an item will stay the same because to infuse now means to get infusion slot AND +5AR, but infuse after patch you get an empty infusion slot…same cost with no additional AR.

Can’t wait to see what the new challenges will be with levels 30+….maybe for level 50 you can’t use heals and have no endurance. Wouldn’t that be interesting!

True, i agree with you on that point. Do you think it would be out of the question for people who get rolled back to receive a title? Or possibly something else unique? That’s all i want and am hoping for.

khani.4786:

My fractal level is being pushed back to 30. Yes that originally bothered me. Then I saw that fractal level is account bound. Ok. That makes leveling alts SO much easier for me.

My compensation for losing levels on my main is gaining 30 levels on 9 other characters that I hadn’t gotten to starting on fractals yet.

Very excited for the reward changes and the fact that the skins will be real SKINS.

Want to know if the recipe to infuse an item will stay the same because to infuse now means to get infusion slot AND +5AR, but infuse after patch you get an empty infusion slot…same cost with no additional AR.

Can’t wait to see what the new challenges will be with levels 30+….maybe for level 50 you can’t use heals and have no endurance. Wouldn’t that be interesting!

Actually, after the patch you get a new infusion slot with a +5 AR infusion in it, and you can upgrade that +5 if you wish by adding stronger ones. You’re going from a static +5 stat to a slot you can upgrade.

Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.

Fafnir.5124:

People cant understand that fractal levels are decided by a mad asura scientist investigating the mists. When she changes here experiment parameters everyone cant believe there eyes.

I appreciate this post. +1

Once again Jmar, let me make it clear

the reason why its best for the new content to start at 30 was because from 30-50 the actual change in gameplay was minimal. The main reason many people never went passed 30 was because it was pretty similar to what they did before, only with more dmg from enemies, and more defense/hp

the solution is to make 30-50 actually play differently.
I am now excited to try out 30-50 knowing every level will add some new unique challenge.

This makes fractals more interesting over all.

As for your levels. If they think they should give a free pass to the new levels, even though you havent beaten them, i dont really mind. But its actually something very different than what you did before.

I acknowledge they are essentially destroying the fractals you enjoyed, and putting new ones in its place. You are losing your progress on that line because that line doesnt exist.

What would be a fair boon for losing access to the old fractals?
Would you be happy if they reintroduce classic fractals later and you retained your level?
Is a unique title good enough?
Is being able to skip to the end of the new fractals what you really want?

VOLKON.1290:

khani.4786:

My fractal level is being pushed back to 30. Yes that originally bothered me. Then I saw that fractal level is account bound. Ok. That makes leveling alts SO much easier for me.

My compensation for losing levels on my main is gaining 30 levels on 9 other characters that I hadn’t gotten to starting on fractals yet.

Very excited for the reward changes and the fact that the skins will be real SKINS.

Want to know if the recipe to infuse an item will stay the same because to infuse now means to get infusion slot AND +5AR, but infuse after patch you get an empty infusion slot…same cost with no additional AR.

Can’t wait to see what the new challenges will be with levels 30+….maybe for level 50 you can’t use heals and have no endurance. Wouldn’t that be interesting!

Actually, after the patch you get a new infusion slot with a +5 AR infusion in it, and you can upgrade that +5 if you wish by adding stronger ones. You’re going from a static +5 stat to a slot you can upgrade.

Actually after the patch if you ALREADY have an infused item you will get the slot with the +5 in it but if you create one post patch you get an empty slot you can put the new infusions into.

Existing Infused Ascended Rings and Back Items lose their natural +5 Agony Resist, and receive a +5 Agony Resist Infusion by default.
New Infused Ascended Rings and Back Items will have an empty slot.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Agony-changes/first#post3228298

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.

Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.

And yet these “top players”, these “advanced fractal runners”, have done none of the content with the new challenges yet to set them apart from anyone else. Should they be able to fly through it up the leader boards? I’d like to think they can, unless of course they’ve become so stagnant in an unchanging old system that new changes stall them out for awhile. Time will tell on that one… will they be all forum talk or will they back it up in game. (I, to be honest, expect a little of both.)

JMar.3254:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.

Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.

Those at 80 put in the work to get to 80 in the old system. They have yet to do a thing in the new.

You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.