[Merged] Fractal level reset is equity wiped. Discuss.
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
And yet these “top players”, these “advanced fractal runners”, have done none of the content with the new challenges yet to set them apart from anyone else. Should they be able to fly through it up the leader boards? I’d like to think they can, unless of course they’ve become so stagnant in an unchanging old system that new changes stall them out for awhile. Time will tell on that one… will they be all forum talk or will they back it up in game. (I, to be honest, expect a little of both.)
Geeeez guy. I don’t think they should be just given the levels, no. But why do we have to participate in a leaderboard that we don’t want to? Not to mention, I have privacy concerns about it… Like, will those at the top be inundated with people begging to have help in fractals? How will the leaderboard work in that situation?
Anyway… If we don’t have to use leaderboard, why lose our levels? Or just make it so, they still have to complete levels 30-50, but it still says that their prl is the same and they still get that karma and such for going below their level?
Idk. Maybe I’m just a psycho.
[ARES]
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.
I started my programming career in Natural/ADABAS, so that’s a pain I feel. As a result to changing times I’ve had to add new languages, etc. to my brain. Change with the times or be left behind.
#TeamJadeQuarry
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
Caveat Emptor. Buyer Beware. Players who progressed to 80 did so at their own risk.
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.I started my programming career in Natural/ADABAS, so that’s a pain I feel. As a result to changing times I’ve had to add new languages, etc. to my brain. Change with the times or be left behind.
Degree
People are too serious of their knowledge.
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
to be honest dodging agony/dealing with it is one of the easiest parts of advanced fractals. The actual levels and enemies are a much bigger challenge.
And its currently unknown how advanced fractal runners of the old type will fare in the new system. Some are great players, some have encounters memorized and positions figured out. If say instability makes monsters pull you to them, many classic strategies would fail. If instability makes all attacks single target many old strategies will fail. We really dont know who the new elite of the instabilities will be.
Honestly, 20 levels can be gained back in under a week. Now those 250 ecto I spent getting the +5 on my backpack, those will take quite a bit more time to re-coup.
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.
That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
Those at 80 put in the work to get to 80 in the old system. They have yet to do a thing in the new.
So that means that the work, time, and effort put into the old system should be devalued and removed with no compensation?
That’s only possible solution? Is to completely remove the old content and wipe progress?
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
Caveat Emptor. Buyer Beware. Players who progressed to 80 did so at their own risk.
I also leveled characters to 80, made a legendary, spent a lot of gold, sold a lot of things at my own risk. I guess they could take it all away, but even though it was fun I guess I’d be afraid if they did it again, once I put more work into doing it all over…
Idk, it’s a hard pill to swallow.
[ARES]
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
No it doesn’t. I have my bachelor’s degree in chemical engineering. That will never be taken away from me.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.
A curious analogy given that a doctor educated in the 1800s would not be permitted to sit for his medical boards today.
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
so your main issue is you want to stand apart? then a title would be good?
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
No it doesn’t. I have my bachelor’s degree in chemical engineering. That will never be taken away from me.
You get cooler every time you post.
Also, no one can ever take my physics degree away <3 but several people do try to devalue it, sort of what everyone keeps doing now…
[ARES]
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
Caveat Emptor. Buyer Beware. Players who progressed to 80 did so at their own risk.
This is wrong. Why was it at their own risk? Was up 49 their own risk? Was leveling a character to 80 at my own risk? Is playing GW2 at my own risk? Where is the line drawn?
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
Honestly, 20 levels can be gained back in under a week. Now those 250 ecto I spent getting the +5 on my backpack, those will take quite a bit more time to re-coup.
You haven’t lost anything…in fact unless they’re changing the way we infuse items and haven’t said as much yet you’re getting +5 AR that someone who infuses after the patch will not get.
Existing Infused Ascended Rings and Back Items lose their natural +5 Agony Resist, and receive a +5 Agony Resist Infusion by default.
New Infused Ascended Rings and Back Items will have an empty slot.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Agony-changes/first#post3228298
Geeeez guy. I don’t think they should be just given the levels, no. But why do we have to participate in a leaderboard that we don’t want to? Not to mention, I have privacy concerns about it… Like, will those at the top be inundated with people begging to have help in fractals? How will the leaderboard work in that situation?
Anyway… If we don’t have to use leaderboard, why lose our levels? Or just make it so, they still have to complete levels 30-50, but it still says that their prl is the same and they still get that karma and such for going below their level?
Idk. Maybe I’m just a psycho.
Nah, those are actually great and valid questions. With regards to developing a fractal paparazzi I don’t know… that’ll likely depend on how the player him/herself reacts to the requests. But as far as competing, you don’t have to. You can ignore it, just don’t look or care. But the reason, logically as I see it, to have the levels set to 30 (disregarding the jumbotron) is this… you haven’t worked your way up the difficulty scale to get to the higher levels yet. We don’t, as of yet, know how much of an impact these instabilities will have. So it may be worth it to take a breath and enjoy a new path of progression that you’ll have rather than the same old same old daily every day.
#TeamJadeQuarry
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
so your main issue is you want to stand apart? then a title would be good?
No. I don’t want my progress erased.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
Caveat Emptor. Buyer Beware. Players who progressed to 80 did so at their own risk.
This is wrong. Why was it at their own risk? Was up 49 their own risk? Was leveling a character to 80 at my own risk? Is playing GW2 at my own risk? Where is the line drawn?
The line is drawn at…
drum roll
Fractal level 49.
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.A curious analogy given that a doctor educated in the 1800s would not be permitted to sit for his medical boards today.
Your logic is very sound. In academy, they term that intellectual dishonesty.
People are too serious of their knowledge.
Those at 80 put in the work to get to 80 in the old system. They have yet to do a thing in the new.
So that means that the work, time, and effort put into the old system should be devalued and removed with no compensation?
That’s only possible solution? Is to completely remove the old content and wipe progress?
Hey, I’ve never been against some form of compensation for those old Fractal greybeards. Never. It shouldn’t be extreme, yet it should be unique, something only they will ever get.
#TeamJadeQuarry
[Merged] Fractal level reset is equity wiped. Discuss.
in Fractured
Posted by: Patrikan Habaton.2548
I’ve been fighting since the moment the information been released on Tuesday. I’ve written countless posts regarding the issue and reading through many opinions of various types of players. And from what I’m seeing is that most of the players are either fine or happy with it. The only hurt playerbase is the one that put the most amount of time and investment in fractals. And that’s a very small group compared to everyone else.
Developer’s involvement in the matter is very small to non-existant at this point. It has been almost three days since the debate started and they’ve been avoiding answering anything of value to us. The only thing we got after three days is that they’re reading and gathering feedback. Therefore no action has been taken and accounting for the amount of time that’s left before the actual release, no action will be taken because of time shortage.
There’s one thing that they don’t fully realize. And that is the fact that two weeks later after the next update will come out, all those players that they’re trying to please with fractals will move on to the next patch, leaving fractals behind. Small percentage will catch the fractal fever we’ve had for a year now, but aside from that, it’ll all be left behind just like it was till now. Except for all those hurt people working their way back up to what’s been rightfully earned the first time around.
We’ve build quite a community around fractals, helping people taht are new to it, getting others interested. Obviously we have some elitists here and there, but that’s expected. But now our community is being destroyed jsut to please other community for a short amount of time, untill we’re forgotten and left behind yet again.
As the matter of fact I’ve yet to see any WvW or PvP update that people were this unhappy about. Even GvG communities are being pleased with the Obsidian Sanctum arena where they can do their thing without affecting WvW in any way.
Nailed it.
on the Forums instead of Login in the game since I heard about it
first scale 81 fractals
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
Caveat Emptor. Buyer Beware. Players who progressed to 80 did so at their own risk.
This is wrong. Why was it at their own risk? Was up 49 their own risk? Was leveling a character to 80 at my own risk? Is playing GW2 at my own risk? Where is the line drawn?
The line is drawn at…
drum roll
Fractal level 49.
Oh goodie! Then I’m safe. Fractal scrub at a mere 42 here <\3
[ARES]
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
Geeeez guy. I don’t think they should be just given the levels, no. But why do we have to participate in a leaderboard that we don’t want to? Not to mention, I have privacy concerns about it… Like, will those at the top be inundated with people begging to have help in fractals? How will the leaderboard work in that situation?
Anyway… If we don’t have to use leaderboard, why lose our levels? Or just make it so, they still have to complete levels 30-50, but it still says that their prl is the same and they still get that karma and such for going below their level?
Idk. Maybe I’m just a psycho.
Nah, those are actually great and valid questions. With regards to developing a fractal paparazzi I don’t know… that’ll likely depend on how the player him/herself reacts to the requests. But as far as competing, you don’t have to. You can ignore it, just don’t look or care. But the reason, logically as I see it, to have the levels set to 30 (disregarding the jumbotron) is this… you haven’t worked your way up the difficulty scale to get to the higher levels yet. We don’t, as of yet, know how much of an impact these instabilities will have. So it may be worth it to take a breath and enjoy a new path of progression that you’ll have rather than the same old same old daily every day.
Agreed. And will this cause a new form of elitism?
“LF1M. Heavy armor only, 55 AR. Be rank 1000 or better”
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.A curious analogy given that a doctor educated in the 1800s would not be permitted to sit for his medical boards today.
Your logic is very sound. In academy, they term that intellectual dishonesty.
In academia, they also call it a poor analogy.
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
No it doesn’t. I have my bachelor’s degree in chemical engineering. That will never be taken away from me.
True true… My bachelor’s in Music Education, Master’s in Music and Master’s in Information Science will never be taken away either. My (bad) analogy was more in lines with teachers (and other professions) who have to complete continuing education credits in order to maintain their certification so they can stay in their chosen profession.
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
Caveat Emptor. Buyer Beware. Players who progressed to 80 did so at their own risk.
This is wrong. Why was it at their own risk? Was up 49 their own risk? Was leveling a character to 80 at my own risk? Is playing GW2 at my own risk? Where is the line drawn?
The line is drawn at…
drum roll
Fractal level 49.
So then why are people level 49 being reset?
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
so your main issue is you want to stand apart? then a title would be good?
No. I don’t want my progress erased.
so you want fractals to remain as they are essentially?
Geeeez guy. I don’t think they should be just given the levels, no. But why do we have to participate in a leaderboard that we don’t want to? Not to mention, I have privacy concerns about it… Like, will those at the top be inundated with people begging to have help in fractals? How will the leaderboard work in that situation?
Anyway… If we don’t have to use leaderboard, why lose our levels? Or just make it so, they still have to complete levels 30-50, but it still says that their prl is the same and they still get that karma and such for going below their level?
Idk. Maybe I’m just a psycho.
Nah, those are actually great and valid questions. With regards to developing a fractal paparazzi I don’t know… that’ll likely depend on how the player him/herself reacts to the requests. But as far as competing, you don’t have to. You can ignore it, just don’t look or care. But the reason, logically as I see it, to have the levels set to 30 (disregarding the jumbotron) is this… you haven’t worked your way up the difficulty scale to get to the higher levels yet. We don’t, as of yet, know how much of an impact these instabilities will have. So it may be worth it to take a breath and enjoy a new path of progression that you’ll have rather than the same old same old daily every day.
Agreed. And will this cause a new form of elitism?
“LF1M. Heavy armor only, 55 AR. Be rank 1000 or better”
Ha! Who knows, it may very well among some. But really, that can’t be avoided in any game. Fortunately GW2 is one where for the most part you can ignore the elitist types and progress right along with others if you wish.
#TeamJadeQuarry
Funnily enough it would better for the community if I got what I wanted because then I would bother updating gw2dungeons.
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
Caveat Emptor. Buyer Beware. Players who progressed to 80 did so at their own risk.
This is wrong. Why was it at their own risk? Was up 49 their own risk? Was leveling a character to 80 at my own risk? Is playing GW2 at my own risk? Where is the line drawn?
The line is drawn at…
drum roll
Fractal level 49.
So then why are people level 49 being reset?
Apparently because the Developers felt that was the only way to facilitate the leaderboard. I’m not a Developer—I cannot comment on what their thought process was.
But to those who leveled beyond 50. We all knew it wasn’t intended. We did so anyway, ergo, buyer beware.
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
so your main issue is you want to stand apart? then a title would be good?
No. I don’t want my progress erased.
so you want fractals to remain as they are essentially?
Not necessarily. It could use some small redesign (like dredge) along with better rewards and exploit/bug fixes.
I believe if you level is reset you should obtain compensation, instabilities start at 50 (where the old soft cap was), OR they keep fractals as it is, and add instabilities as a side event (either related or not) with extra reward.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
Honestly, 20 levels can be gained back in under a week. Now those 250 ecto I spent getting the +5 on my backpack, those will take quite a bit more time to re-coup.
You haven’t lost anything…in fact unless they’re changing the way we infuse items and haven’t said as much yet you’re getting +5 AR that someone who infuses after the patch will not get.
Existing Infused Ascended Rings and Back Items lose their natural +5 Agony Resist, and receive a +5 Agony Resist Infusion by default.
New Infused Ascended Rings and Back Items will have an empty slot.https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Agony-changes/first#post3228298
You’re right that they won’t get the +5 AR automatically, but they will be able to add an inscription to get that extra +5 AR, and you can’t possibly tell me that the new +5 AR inscription is effectively the same as 250 ectos. Not when +1’s that can be combined ‘drop frequently’.
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
Caveat Emptor. Buyer Beware. Players who progressed to 80 did so at their own risk.
This is wrong. Why was it at their own risk? Was up 49 their own risk? Was leveling a character to 80 at my own risk? Is playing GW2 at my own risk? Where is the line drawn?
The line is drawn at…
drum roll
Fractal level 49.
So then why are people level 49 being reset?
Apparently because the Developers felt that was the only way to facilitate the leaderboard. I’m not a Developer—I cannot comment on what their thought process was.
But to those who leveled beyond 50. We all knew it wasn’t intended. We did so anyway, ergo, buyer beware.
But that doesn’t matter. Because the stuff that wasn’t “buyer beware” is still being reset. They put a cap at 81 (it made you select 80), so why not cap it at 50 if it was so obvious not that anet didn’t intend to go that high?
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
No it doesn’t. I have my bachelor’s degree in chemical engineering. That will never be taken away from me.
True true… My bachelor’s in Music Education, Master’s in Music and Master’s in Information Science will never be taken away either. My (bad) analogy was more in lines with teachers (and other professions) who have to complete continuing education credits in order to maintain their certification so they can stay in their chosen profession.
Ok to clarify this analogy no one can ever take away any one of your degrees. However it can become no longer relevant. It happens all the time, and its part of real life. I think the orginal poster’s point was it shouldnt happen in an MMO.
However i disagree, a good mmo has to have at least some ability to move forward and add new things, even if it invalidates some previous things. Its actually really common in MMOs, the main difference is usually they would just make it really easy to get past old roadblocks, where as here they reset it. the effect is the same.
Hmm… instead of a leader board we need a JumboTron!
Can we get the Asura on that please?
#TeamJadeQuarry
We are losing sight of the main focus here though.
Levels are being reset due to the leaderboards (according to the company that is in charge of the content and changes). That doesn’t seem right.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
No it doesn’t. I have my bachelor’s degree in chemical engineering. That will never be taken away from me.
True enough, but in the future said degree can become obsolete.
You will still have it, but you won’t really have much use for it.
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So much has already been said up to this point, so what I have to say won’t matter anyway. But here it goes anyway.
For those of you who reached FotM 80, congrats. It is truly a feat many of us could have never achieved (no sarcasm intended). Also for those of you who were higher than 30, good job. However, as of the next patch 31+ is a completely new challenge for everyone, even those currently at 80. Should anyone be allowed to jump right in on patch day and play the new level 50? Absolutely not. No one has beaten level 31 yet. So why should having a current level 36, 48, 54 or 80 give you a free pass to skip level 31? When the new TA path was released, no one automatically got all the new achievements just because they had previously beaten the F/U path. Should everyone that currently has a FotM level higher than 31 receive some sort of compensation? Maybe, maybe not. Even if Anet decides to hand something out, some would be happy and some would still complain. There is not one single thing that they could do that would make everyone happy. Why complain about loosing your level 50-80 status, the new fractals only go to 50. Having anything higher than that is pointless now anyway. I know that it is upsetting to many people but after the patch, those levels you have previously beaten/passed just aren’t there anymore. Think about this, if you are all that good at high level fractals, it should only take you a few days to be back at level 50 anyway.
Ok to clarify this analogy no one can ever take away any one of your degrees. However it can become no longer relevant. It happens all the time, and its part of real life. I think the orginal poster’s point was it shouldnt happen in an MMO.
However i disagree, a good mmo has to have at least some ability to move forward and add new things, even if it invalidates some previous things. Its actually really common in MMOs, the main difference is usually they would just make it really easy to get past old roadblocks, where as here they reset it. the effect is the same.
They might invalidate some equity, but rarely do they ever reset it (except for roll backs or exploits).
It’s possible to design new content without completely erasing old content.
With the changes they have said (aside from leaderboards) I can see why resetting to 30 seems okay, however the changes they have said are not.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
We are losing sight of the main focus here though.
Levels are being reset due to the leaderboards (according to the company that is in charge of the content and changes). That doesn’t seem right.
It would be nice if there was some clarity given on that. I can’t help but feel that logically it makes sense to have the accessibility be there for the new content as well as make sure everyone needs to actually progress through the new content to increasing difficulties regardless of the leader boards / JumboTron.
#TeamJadeQuarry
Honestly, 20 levels can be gained back in under a week. Now those 250 ecto I spent getting the +5 on my backpack, those will take quite a bit more time to re-coup.
You haven’t lost anything…in fact unless they’re changing the way we infuse items and haven’t said as much yet you’re getting +5 AR that someone who infuses after the patch will not get.
Existing Infused Ascended Rings and Back Items lose their natural +5 Agony Resist, and receive a +5 Agony Resist Infusion by default.
New Infused Ascended Rings and Back Items will have an empty slot.https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Agony-changes/first#post3228298
You’re right that they won’t get the +5 AR automatically, but they will be able to add an inscription to get that extra +5 AR, and you can’t possibly tell me that the new +5 AR inscription is effectively the same as 250 ectos. Not when +1’s that can be combined ‘drop frequently’.
the new thing is confusing without seeing it, but he is right.
to make it clear only the 250 ecto backpiece (the only backpieces marked as (infused)) you already have will even have a slot for the new AR infusions. you cant put the new AR infusions into regular infusion slots. To top it off you will be getting a +5 infusion slot built in, after the update, when they spend the 250 ectos, it will be an empty slot.
so yes you soundly ahead of the game and have an even better value for your ecto than you will have after the update
When announced Fractured, Anet didn’t announce methods of compensation for players losing equity invested in higher fractal levels, 30+. For the uninitiated, level is a form of equity, as w/ equipment, gears, titles etc. Players don’t expect to log in the next day to see their equity wiped away and started all over again. And I’m pretty sure wiping customer’s equity is a very effective way to lose customers, short term and long term.
Being said that, new contents and new gears will obviously destroy some forms of equity, but good company will always try to maintain the previous value of equity or in case, maintaining previous equity couldn’t be done due to various internal reasons, then they should compensate generously for equity loss due the decision to destroy equity isn’t initiated by the customers. The key here is generously.
Since most players are spending time in the game for cosmetic reasons, I would suggest specific skin per levels, i.e 30,40,50 etc would be appropriate per character achieving such level but my suggestion is just merely a suggestion. And please take notice that the skin (or whatever deems appropriate) awarded is also a form of equity, so please don’t wipe it by introduced it again to lower its value.
Here what I wrote. My suggestion is merely a suggestion but equity wiped should be avoid or compensate, if unavoidable.
People are too serious of their knowledge.
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We are losing sight of the main focus here though.
Levels are being reset due to the leaderboards (according to the company that is in charge of the content and changes). That doesn’t seem right.
It would be nice if there was some clarity given on that. I can’t help but feel that logically it makes sense to have the accessibility be there for the new content as well as make sure everyone needs to actually progress through the new content to increasing difficulties regardless of the leader boards / JumboTron.
As much as it makes sense (which I do agree with) it’s still very unfair to those effected.
Instabilities could have been added to 50. Or, instabilities could be optional (starting at 30) that would allow you to choose the instability for increased rewards (Similar to gauntlet). I could think of a variety of options that would appeal to people much better than what Anet is trying to implement.
Until they say otherwise though, I have to assume they are restting people to 30 exclusively for the leaderboards (which is what they said)
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.
Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.
Caveat Emptor. Buyer Beware. Players who progressed to 80 did so at their own risk.
This is wrong. Why was it at their own risk? Was up 49 their own risk? Was leveling a character to 80 at my own risk? Is playing GW2 at my own risk? Where is the line drawn?
The line is drawn at…
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Fractal level 49.
So then why are people level 49 being reset?
Apparently because the Developers felt that was the only way to facilitate the leaderboard. I’m not a Developer—I cannot comment on what their thought process was.
But to those who leveled beyond 50. We all knew it wasn’t intended. We did so anyway, ergo, buyer beware.
But that doesn’t matter. Because the stuff that wasn’t “buyer beware” is still being reset. They put a cap at 81 (it made you select 80), so why not cap it at 50 if it was so obvious not that anet didn’t intend to go that high?
Here’s my thought process regarding this. There are 2 types of players here. Those that leveled beyond 30, and those that leveled beyond 50. I approach them differently:
50+
As a member of this “prestigious” group, I do not believe players who leveled past 50 have any rightful claim to their progress. It was clear to me that the Developers intended us to stop at 50 given the loopholes I needed to employ to surpass 50. Knowing that, we progressed anyway. We simply cannot claim as ours what the Developers never intended to give us. Whatever time and effort spent was ours to lose. End of story.
30+
Here’s where the analysis becomes more difficult. People who leveled beyond 30 did so with the full support of the Development team, and consequently have a good claim to that progress. I think it was bad, awful, and reprehensible communication by the Developers to not give us notice earlier. Particularly to people who were leveling alts through Fractals.
That being said, I can get on board the lost progress if it means better Fractals. I enjoy the idea of Fractals, but I don’t enjoy doing them right now. If this makes me want to do them, then that’s a good thing and I’ll get over the lost levels.
Furthermore, since the Devs are incorporating a leader board, it makes sense to reset to 30 to place players on an equal footing. Why was 30 better than 40? I don’t know. I’m not a developer.
As I have said before, they could make leaderboard based on highest scale beaten (after patch). So high scale people can try 50 and see if they can make it. If they do then new content is already a joke and the new leaderboard will be a joke. If not, then they have to go practice/get gear from previous scales.
We have already done the grind/time gating.
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leaderboards arent worth reseting levels for, i agree. The only type of leader boards that would really make sense for fractals would be ones that track things like completion rating (killing specific enemies or completing objectives) and time of completion, or perhaps tracking deaths or wipes.
Tracking level is kind of pointless, and will have like 100s of people in a couple weeks, and 1000s in a few months. Unless the new fractals are actually a lot harder than the old ones
Honestly, 20 levels can be gained back in under a week. Now those 250 ecto I spent getting the +5 on my backpack, those will take quite a bit more time to re-coup.
You haven’t lost anything…in fact unless they’re changing the way we infuse items and haven’t said as much yet you’re getting +5 AR that someone who infuses after the patch will not get.
Existing Infused Ascended Rings and Back Items lose their natural +5 Agony Resist, and receive a +5 Agony Resist Infusion by default.
New Infused Ascended Rings and Back Items will have an empty slot.https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Agony-changes/first#post3228298
You’re right that they won’t get the +5 AR automatically, but they will be able to add an inscription to get that extra +5 AR, and you can’t possibly tell me that the new +5 AR inscription is effectively the same as 250 ectos. Not when +1’s that can be combined ‘drop frequently’.
You’re getting +5AR that a newly infused item will not get.
You will be getting the exact same slot that you can infinitely upgrade.
You can’t take the +5 AR infusion out to combine with the ones that drop (just as you can’t take out runes & such without salvaging the item).
You will NOT lose any AR you currently have.
So you spent your 250 ectos to infuse your item and will get a free +5AR infusion (different from the versitile simple infusion which goes in a different slot entirely)
Your “new” infused back piece still costs the same as one someone else creates after the patch but they have to work to get the AR infusions to put in there.
This clearer? You’re still getting out ahead and I’m still about 20 ectos away from being able to infuse my back piece and I plan on doing it before the patch.*
*I’ve asked if they’re changing how items get infused but still haven’t received an official answer.
30+
Here’s where the analysis becomes more difficult. People who leveled beyond 30 did so with the full support of the Development team, and consequently have a good claim to that progress. I think it was bad, awful, and reprehensible communication by the Developers to not give us notice earlier. Particularly to people who were leveling alts through Fractals.
As much as it seems we disagree, I do fully agree with this.
I fall in the 30+ group, but no the 50+ group. I also saw it as a soft cap, but I can see how people chose to level past that, as we were promised an unlimited dungeon. I just chose not to take the risk, as I was expecting the next update to open up 50+, which is why I stopped right before.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
As I have said before, they could make leaderboard based on highest scale beaten (after patch). So high scale people can try 50 and see if they can make it. If they do then new content is already a joke and the new leaderboard will be a joke. If not, then they have to go practice/get gear from previous scales.
We have already done the grind/time gating.
This guy… he’s mastered that logic thing.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!