[Merged] Fractal level reset is equity wiped. Discuss.
I FULLY understand that it is Different content now, BUT this is a major slipper slope!!!!!
And I mean MAJOR!!!If they are taking away levels, hard work, progress now b.c of the one reason “We want you to experience the new content” What to stop them from doing the same thing in other aspects of the game?
How would you like it if they took away all the pvp ranks for a new system, all the WvW ranks for a new system, your PVE character levels, all your crafting levels! B.c some new changes that they want you to Experience it from the start. Would you be ok with that? NO!
slippery slope means you have to be careful, it doesnt mean you cant do it. Like i said before, i believe devs have actually mentioned possibly reseting pvp rank, and some high end players have in fact asked for it.
also, the levels in fractals are not actually anything but markers, they allow you to warp to your previous level in the dungeon. 30+ is a new dungeon.
The real point of contention here should be the fact that they are removing content. The real beef is that they are removing the dungeon some people loved. They have decided that it is feasible to do so, and fits withing their evolving world idea. If you have a problem with that, you need to focus on that.
This discussion is a lot closer to the TA path discussion than people think. If TA path allowed you to permantly unlock waypoints, it would be almost exactly the same.
So really, what do you think about removing content and replacing the new, what should be done about people who were invested in the old. It is a slippery slope, but it still needs t be walked. What people should be discussing is how much is acceptable, and what to do about people who get left behind.
Also what are the developer benefits to replacing content versus adding to it? What goes into the design decision of what to keep and what to discard? Should new systems be designed to expand or evolve?
The levels in fractals are a big deal and you just saying they are markers making them seem to be nothing at all means you dont fully understand how important this is to the players. Look how many topics there are open it, look at what players are saying, read all the arguing, its a big deal.
So your saying, if they redo the crafting system, that all the work you put into the get all 8 crafts to 400-500, that you will be ok will all of it being reset to level 300? B.c level 300+ is being reworked?
That is what it sounds like to me, that your ok with anet making those changes when ever they want?
Im not going to talk about this anymore and hope anet says something about all this.
you totally miss my point
Im saying it is a big deal, but the big deal isnt really just about fractal levels.
I am also saying that just because its a hard line to walk doesnt mean the game doesnt have to walk it
Im saying to broaden your discussion from blind rage, to how to actually deal with reality that they need to improve and alter things that arent working and yet various people are invested in it in various ways.
Do you think they should never make a change that will impact anyones percieved reward or status?
What should be the limits if they do?
What are the costs if they dont make these changes?In this specific case, i will say titles make sense, They show how far they went in old fractals
49th ? level Fractalist
32nd ? level FractalistSome may be mad they cant get these titles, but hey old fractals.
at the very least it is a nod to the people who went high in old fractals
perhaps they can allow people to continue on that path in a future update
Reality I would never have made a decision like what anet did to my customers, and yes Ive ran a business for 10 years and yes we had to make decisions close to this and never taken away progression, Funny thing is, that my business had progression for our clients and we did change things and never took that progression away, Im arguing b.c Being from a business management point of view I cant believe anet made this decision.
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and as avid rock climber i am sure there is a whole range of very interesting mountains that fall in each category, and are not strictly speaking harder than each other, but provide different challenges, if that is not the case, ok.
But it is in many sports, many disciplines, piano for example, art, etc.
I think its honestly better design if instabilities can give this type of teired challenge
Yes, the grades are subjective. a 5.10b is supposed to be harder than a 5.10a, however somebody who’s shorter might do better on the 5.10b if it’s more technical than reachy.
That was kinda the point I was making, is they group that up into intermediate, usually advance is 5.11a and above. Resetting us to 30 is like forcing us to start at intermediate rather than advance. If they start at 50, that’s like me doing the hardest route in the gym or on the wall, lets say 5.14b, then going lower and lower until I can find one I could climb, like a 5.11a.
I kknow it’s a really far stretch and complicated analogy, but it does fit. If 45 to 50 can be done on the first day, then it’s horrible design and a failed patch (not just adding another time gate to an already completed time gate)
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
Bottom line is that new fractals will probably be really easy for scale 80 players and whole reset thing is just pointless slap in the face. We want challenge. Not some stupid grind.
All this time we have waited for challenge and now what? Grind to 50, figure out a hole in their system because they just can’t edit one line of code properly, grind to 80, notice that it’s not that hard and then get thrown back to 30 next year?
And please don’t give me this “instabilities will be hard and exciting”. It is aimed at casuals. We have no reason to believe they know how to make good content. And you will probably stop doing them one week later so why do you people care so much?
But I promise I will be very interested if you find someone with scale 80 who is excited about the new patch.
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Bottom line is that new fractals will probably be really easy for scale 80 players and whole reset thing is just pointless slap in the face. We want challenge. Not some stupid grind.
All this time we have waited for challenge and now what? Grind to 50, figure out a hole in their system because they just can’t edit one line of code properly, grind to 80, notice that it’s not that hard and then get thrown back to 30 next year?
leaderboards lol
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
O rly!? In real life all your old degrees get deleted as if they never happened?
Bottom line is that new fractals will probably be really easy for scale 80 players and whole reset thing is just pointless slap in the face. We want challenge. Not some stupid grind.
All this time we have waited for challenge and now what? Grind to 50, figure out a hole in their system because they just can’t edit one line of code properly, grind to 80, notice that it’s not that hard and then get thrown back to 30 next year?And please don’t give me this “instabilities will be hard and exciting”. It is aimed at casuals. We have no reason to believe they know how to make good content. And you will probably stop doing them one week later so why do you people care so much?
But I promise I will be very interested if you find someone with scale 80 who is excited about the new patch.
its something different, the devs never claimed it would be harder than level 80 content. Level 80 content wasnt meant to be accessed, and no longer exists. Its content meant for people who are in the range of 30-50, if you call that casual, then ok. If your real beef is you want content as hard as level 80 stuff, then your true desire has been obscured up to this point. I suggest you ask arena net to make more content that is mechanically more difficult. They may be considering it
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
O rly!? In real life all your old degrees get deleted as if they never happened?
If you don’t study after you graduate yes the essentially do.
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
O rly!? In real life all your old degrees get deleted as if they never happened?
they dont delete them, it just doesnt give you any access to anything of value for having it. lets say you got certified in windows 95, thats pretty useless these days. In general your degree is only an entry point now, and you are expected to periodically upgrade it via either experience or further studies.
lets say you learned cadkey in college, now they use autodesk, unless you kept up, yur left behind.
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
O rly!? In real life all your old degrees get deleted as if they never happened?
they dont delete them, it just doesnt give you any access to anything of value for having it. lets say you got certified in windows 95, thats pretty useless these days. In general your degree is only an entry point now, and you are expected to periodically upgrade it via either experience or further studies.
lets say you learned cadkey in college, now they use autodesk, unless you kept up, yur left behind.
exactly
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
O rly!? In real life all your old degrees get deleted as if they never happened?
they dont delete them, it just doesnt give you any access to anything of value for having it. lets say you got certified in windows 95, thats pretty useless these days. In general your degree is only an entry point now, and you are expected to periodically upgrade it via either experience or further studies.
lets say you learned cadkey in college, now they use autodesk, unless you kept up, yur left behind.
exactly
That’s not even a point. This is a game. If you want to bring real life in the game, then what’s next? If you die in game, you have to start everytihng from scratch, because you’re dead. How’s that an argument? Don’t bring real life into this. Life screws us over every day, that’s why we play video games.
You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.That sort of stuff happens in real life too. You either learn the new content to refresh your degree/certification or you find a new line of work. So here you either learn the new mechanics they’re adding in at level 30 or you find another game/part of gw2 to play.
O rly!? In real life all your old degrees get deleted as if they never happened?
they dont delete them, it just doesnt give you any access to anything of value for having it. lets say you got certified in windows 95, thats pretty useless these days. In general your degree is only an entry point now, and you are expected to periodically upgrade it via either experience or further studies.
lets say you learned cadkey in college, now they use autodesk, unless you kept up, yur left behind.
Exactly. Just like we periodically upgraded our fractal level. If we didn’t keep up, we got left behind. Sorry, but older degrees don’t get deleted. Do you not list old degrees on a resume? You do. You even list degrees not associated with the job most of the time.
Life screws us over every day, that’s why we play video games.
Right, so I’d rather not get screwed over by the developers of a game I play as well.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
its something different, the devs never claimed it would be harder than level 80 content. Level 80 content wasnt meant to be accessed, and no longer exists. Its content meant for people who are in the range of 30-50, if you call that casual, then ok. If your real beef is you want content as hard as level 80 stuff, then your true desire has been obscured up to this point. I suggest you ask arena net to make more content that is mechanically more difficult. They may be considering it
But is that what all the players are screaming is the reason we shouldn’t start at 50? Because it’s new content we haven’t completed, and we’re “scared” we won’t be able to get back that high.
If we could start at 50 and it can be done the first day, then it’s a joke.
They don’t want people completeting lvl 50 the first day, so they add a time gate to already time gated completed material.
Anet can’t design difficult encounters so they add difficulty through time gating. Otherwise the majority of casual players would scream and complain.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
Please fotm lore wise is complete subjected to whims of and single Asura mad scientist who reclust herself from the world. If you think she cares at all about life or reward of the experimentee you the player you are not a rational thinker. You the player signed up to test a consumer product and now you are testing the revamped version. You have no say on what happens or what is offered in fotm. That is the absolute truth. And if you don’t applied for the experiment many others will flock to replace you. That is the current set up of fotm.
Cause rewards didn’t improve after 30 no new rewards introduced or significant difficulty added/ new mechanic this reset in hindsight could be seen and under stood. Even a future reset to 50 a year from now can be predicted when a new layer of difficulty will be added with new fractals. An fallowing year in 20 level increments. Fotm is new and this is first update no one knew what to expect and now we do. Learn from it keep playing or quit is your own discussion. Idea people where not rewarded for reaching 80 with increased drops rates is for a year is completely not true.
Further rewards for this at whims of mad scientist. The Asura are know to sacrifice apprentice’s in experiment see “SCARLET” as an example do you thing they really care at all for volunteer experimentees? Probly not at all.
I will tell you a secret. The decision is actually made by Anet developers, not some random Asura.
its something different, the devs never claimed it would be harder than level 80 content. Level 80 content wasnt meant to be accessed, and no longer exists. Its content meant for people who are in the range of 30-50, if you call that casual, then ok. If your real beef is you want content as hard as level 80 stuff, then your true desire has been obscured up to this point. I suggest you ask arena net to make more content that is mechanically more difficult. They may be considering it
But is that what all the players are screaming is the reason we shouldn’t start at 50? Because it’s new content we haven’t completed, and we’re “scared” we won’t be able to get back that high.
If we could start at 50 and it can be done the first day, then it’s a joke.
They don’t want people completeting lvl 50 the first day, so they add a time gate to already time gated completed material.
Anet can’t design difficult encounters so they add difficulty through time gating. Otherwise the majority of casual players would scream and complain.
it shouldnt start at 50 because 30-80 fractals were designed via algorithm. This made them kind of boring. lets be honest, gameplay wise, there isnt much difference between 28 and 41. between 42 and 48? The main difference is you want to get hit less. If you already learned how not to get hit very often at 36, not much more to learn at 48.
How much different is the different difficulties for a berserker thief? he was dying in two hits at level 38.
So then it becomes, why do you have to do this 30 and 40 more times to get to something new, its a bad design.
They are trying to correct a design flaw, and make fractals overall more interesting, and fix bugs, this not really a patch designed around unlocking higher difficulties. Perhaps it should have been, perhaps thats what you guys really wanted. But honestly i think these new fractals sound a lot more interesting than the old ones. I dont think people should to play without getting hit for 20 levels before they play anything new and interesting.
I will tell you a secret. The decision is actually made by Anet developers, not some random Asura.
You’re ruining my immersion.
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I will tell you a secret. The decision is actually made by Anet developers, not some random Asura.
If you cant justify a reward in content of game you don’t disserve it and truly don’t know the content of fotm
Yeah weth! You don’t disserve it! Even though you got to 80 and have several videos soloing bosses that group of 5 people can’t handle, you don’t know the content of fotm!
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
its something different, the devs never claimed it would be harder than level 80 content. Level 80 content wasnt meant to be accessed, and no longer exists. Its content meant for people who are in the range of 30-50, if you call that casual, then ok. If your real beef is you want content as hard as level 80 stuff, then your true desire has been obscured up to this point. I suggest you ask arena net to make more content that is mechanically more difficult. They may be considering it
But is that what all the players are screaming is the reason we shouldn’t start at 50? Because it’s new content we haven’t completed, and we’re “scared” we won’t be able to get back that high.
If we could start at 50 and it can be done the first day, then it’s a joke.
They don’t want people completeting lvl 50 the first day, so they add a time gate to already time gated completed material.
Anet can’t design difficult encounters so they add difficulty through time gating. Otherwise the majority of casual players would scream and complain.
it shouldnt start at 50 because 30-80 fractals were designed via algorithm. This made them kind of boring. lets be honest, gameplay wise, there isnt much difference between 28 and 41. between 42 and 48? The main difference is you want to get hit less. If you already learned how not to get hit very often at 36, not much more to learn at 48.
How much different is the different difficulties for a berserker thief? he was dying in two hits at level 38.
So then it becomes, why do you have to do this 30 and 40 more times to get to something new, its a bad design.
They are trying to correct a design flaw, and make fractals overall more interesting, and fix bugs, this not really a patch designed around unlocking higher difficulties. Perhaps it should have been, perhaps thats what you guys really wanted. But honestly i think these new fractals sound a lot more interesting than the old ones. I dont think people should to play without getting hit for 20 levels before they play anything new and interesting.
There was no change in mechanics at all 30+ you can even say 10+ left fotm really boring to level through. The new fotm are incorporated into old one what changed is they add instabilities. Probly fighting maul with cannons or something like that random chaotic occurrences in the mist by pushing experimental devices power level.
it shouldnt start at 50 because 30-80 fractals were designed via algorithm. This made them kind of boring. lets be honest, gameplay wise, there isnt much difference between 28 and 41. between 42 and 48? The main difference is you want to get hit less. If you already learned how not to get hit very often at 36, not much more to learn at 48.
After 10+ it was all the same. Barely anything changed even then. So if that’s your reasoning then reset everybody to 10.
It’s still progression that I made (and others) that is being deleted. Either don’t or compensate.
This community is just really really sad. I’ll just go back to the dungeon forums where there are intelligent and caring people.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
No, regular dungeon forums are mostly very skill players. Guides, videos, tutorials dealing w/ dungeons & fractals mostly come from those players.
People are too serious of their knowledge.
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it shouldnt start at 50 because 30-80 fractals were designed via algorithm. This made them kind of boring. lets be honest, gameplay wise, there isnt much difference between 28 and 41. between 42 and 48? The main difference is you want to get hit less. If you already learned how not to get hit very often at 36, not much more to learn at 48.
After 10+ it was all the same. Barely anything changed even then. So if that’s your reasoning then reset everybody to 10.
It’s still progression that I made (and others) that is being deleted. Either don’t or compensate.
This community is just really really sad. I’ll just go back to the dungeon forums where there are intelligent and caring people.
I honestly think reset everyone zero. I have no problem re-leveling and people are complaining that we got to keep any levels at all as I have state lore wise you are part of an experiment the mouse in the maze has no control on maze design of amount of cheese at end. Either enjoy new content or don’t I honestly don’t really care. But don’t diss Anet for ever adding new content for “free”.
But don’t diss Anet for ever adding new content for “free”.
Thanks, good point. I guess I have to love all updates even if they reset progress. What if they are horrible updates?
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
But don’t diss Anet for ever adding new content for “free”.
Thanks, good point. I guess I have to love all updates even if they reset progress. What if they are horrible updates?
progress you are refurring to is just a number till we actually see new content it really doesn’t mean anything
But don’t diss Anet for ever adding new content for “free”.
Thanks, good point. I guess I have to love all updates even if they reset progress. What if they are horrible updates?
progress you are refurring to is just a number till we actually see new content it really doesn’t mean anything
This whole game is “just a number”. Be respective of what others place value in.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
The only kind of progress lost is the same kind of progress that’s lost when a living story setting is phased out: access to something that doesn’t exist anymore. Makes sense to me.
The only kind of progress lost is the same kind of progress that’s lost when a living story setting is phased out: access to something that doesn’t exist anymore. Makes sense to me.
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And those who don’t know fotm is a living story arch
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Posted by: Estriella Faerie.4029
Like was said a few pages ago, what we’re asking is just some form of recognition for what we accomplished, in the form of a title for example.
I fail to see how that would affect negatively the rest of the community…
I said a few times justify it within context of game and anet would probly give it to you cause they are trying to create a living realistic world.
Awarding a title now would be unfair to all the people who didn’t push on beyond the point where pushing on was pointless.
Awarding a title now would be unfair to all the people who didn’t push on beyond the point where pushing on was pointless.
Lol. And we get called entitled.
You get nothing! You lose, good day sir!
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Posted by: Estriella Faerie.4029
How would that be unfair ? We’re not asking for achievment points or anything, just a title. Or are you saying people who didn’t care about fractals enough to level in it should be able to get a fractal title too ? oO
Your argument is like saying people who didn’t play gw1 should get HoM titles…
Awarding a title now would be unfair to all the people who didn’t push on beyond the point where pushing on was pointless.
A metal of honorary service. A gold cape back item. A lot of things they can through at you even a title just got to justify it.
When I say from here I don’t mean me…
I as a fractal explorer delved into the depths of the mist that was physically though to be impossible. Desda Would want me to continue as an experimentee in her research I ask for an incentive to do so…
What if they…
Allowed people to opt out of the leader boards, but keep their progression?
Awarding a title now would be unfair to all the people who didn’t push on beyond the point where pushing on was pointless.
Nonsense. They did what they did, earned what they earned, let ‘em have a title. The more challenging content is coming and a title won’t carry anyone through it. Odds are their skills will do them fine, but time will tell.
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Awarding a title now would be unfair to all the people who didn’t push on beyond the point where pushing on was pointless.
Nonsense. They did what they did, earned what they earned, let ‘em have a title. The more challenging content is coming and a title won’t carry anyone through it. Odds are their skills will do them fine, but time will tell.
I don’t mind if they get a reward, I’m just seeing a whole new avalanche of complaint threads popping up if they do.
“Why wasn’t I told there was going to be a reward? I was only 2 levels away before the reset. If I knew there was going to be a reward, I’d have done those 2 levels months ago.”
I can’t imagine they’ll set themselves up for that.
What if they…
Allowed people to opt out of the leader boards, but keep their progression?
Then play with older version of game no new content or rewards too cant have one without the other probly wont work. I honestly think people will stop arguing after they see rewards or it will start up again.
Then play with older version of game no new content or rewards too cant have one without the other probly wont work. I honestly think people will stop arguing after they see rewards or it will start up again.
Yeah I guess we will just have to see what its like once they release the update.
Then play with older version of game no new content or rewards too cant have one without the other probly wont work. I honestly think people will stop arguing after they see rewards or it will start up again.
Yeah I guess we will just have to see what its like once they release the update.
It Is honestly how it always is with every update
80 fotmers what do you value in being 80? And what are you losing that you don’t want lost? This is not the number but content you are losing?
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Like was said a few pages ago, what we’re asking is just some form of recognition for what we accomplished, in the form of a title for example.
I fail to see how that would affect negatively the rest of the community…
Be it a title, item or whatever, you are asking for a retroactive reward about something that won’t be available anymore and wasn’t even supposed to give rewards.
There aren’t even achievements related to fractal level, after all.
So the people that would have done it if there was an official and visible recognization (as in, a title) or some other rewards would probably be angry – and they would be right as well, cause adding rewards retroactively for content that isn’t available anymore is a terrible idea.
Basically, any solution right now will make angry someone – and they’ll probably just make less people angry as possible, thus not giving anything at all.
The right solution would have been implementing said titles or rewards with large advance and stating outright about the fractal changes and the removal of the old ones (and thus that said rewards weren’t available anymore after a certain period of time). So that people interested in the rewards could have done it.
But it can’t be done anymore, and neither they can postpone the content.
I just don’t understand what has been lost that people demand compensation for. It’s amazing how dramatic people can get to even point out that this was the only thing in the game worth staying for XD.
You don’t lose your AR, you don’t lose your skins, you don’t lose your progress (they are adding new things to the last 20 levels), you don’t lose anything. Not money or time or anything. You don’t even have to go and grind all your characters up to 48, whereas a single one (whichever you want) will do. What the heck are you guys crying about anyways?
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Posted by: Estriella Faerie.4029
So, what you’re saying is it’s better to not give any recognition to people who have put hundreds of hours playing fractals, because people who didn’t play fractals could be jealous of this recognition, saying they may have decided to go for it too had they known beforehand ?
Seems to me like those people you’re advocating for are playing only for the reward, and just because they may be jealous, we should get nothing when the level we dedicated hundreds of hours of playing is just being wiped out ? That’s quite a selfish point of view…
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So, what you’re saying is it’s better to not give any recognition to people who have put hundreds of hours playing fractals, because people who didn’t play fractals could be jealous of this recognition, saying they may have decided to go for it too had they known beforehand ?
Considering they never intended to give a reward based on fractal level and such a decision would come after said rewards aren’t obtainable anymore?
Then yes. It would be even more wrong than the current situation.
Seems to me like those people you’re advocating for are playing only for the reward, and just because they may be jealous, we should get nothing when the level we dedicated hundreds of hours of playing is just being wiped out ? That’s quite a selfish point of view…
And isn’t your point of view selfish as well? You’re asking to retroactively reward something they never intended to reward just because you and some other spent a lot of time on it, after all.
Yet we haven’t even got achievements related to fractal level. One could farm the first two levels and get all the fractal achievements, if he wanted to.
You talk about jealousy, but isn’t this whole discussion stemming from people jealous of their fractal level and wanting to be recognized for something that was never intended to be a point of competition between players?
As i said above, the only right choice would have been either implementing those rewards several months ago – with large advance – and stating they would have been available for a limited time or do that now and postpone the content. But i don’t think either are feasible anymore. Arrived at this point, they just have to choose the least wrong option, that is also the one that will annoy less people. That is, giving nothing – neither to people with multiple chars, or people with an high fractal level.
Sure, i realize this must be annoying for you. But the alternative would be annoying for much more people, and they would be rightly annoyed as well.
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Posted by: Estriella Faerie.4029
And isn’t your point of view selfish as well? You’re asking to retroactively reward something they never intended to reward just because you and some other spent a lot of time on it, after all.
With what I say, nobody lose anything, some people gain a bit.
With what you say, nobody gain anything, some people lose something.
And i’m the selfish one ? Jealousy knows no bound…
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And isn’t your point of view selfish as well? You’re asking to retroactively reward something they never intended to reward just because you and some other spent a lot of time on it, after all.
With what I say, nobody lose anything, some people gain a bit.
With what you say, nobody gain anything, some people lose something.And i’m the selfish one ? Jealousy knows no bound…
With what you say, many people lose anything, some people gain a reward they don’t deserve – because they were never intended to get a reward for it.
With what i say, nobody either loses or get anything. Because nothing was ever intended.
Yep, i’m not the selfish one here. And neither the jealous one – rather, this discussion is here due of people jealous of their fractal level.
And this isn’t necessarily bad – but feeling entitled to a reward for something that never gave one, and wanting it because they are removing the content that would give it, definitely is.
With what I say, nobody lose anything, some people gain a bit.
With what you say, nobody gain anything, some people lose something.And i’m the selfish one ? Jealousy knows no bound…
Dedicated collectors lose the chance at ever acquiring the title, possibly ruining their entire gameplay experience. While it would have been nice to have a title there from the very start I don’t think it’s very fair to start retroactively putting stuff in for old content.
Once more I’m going to refer to the people who got screwed over by the champion bag nerfs, by the Black Lion skin changes, by the Super Adventure Box rebalancing. These people got nothing. Why do you think you deserve something over them?
I do. We are having something taken away from us, so it’s only fair to get something back. ArenaNet did this for PvPers when they removed the qualifying points system and introduced leaderboards – why shouldn’t they do it here? Most dedicated collectors will have missed out on those PvP titles.
PvP was all about competition and fighting for the top of the leaderboard, though. Fractals never encouraged that. You could have got all the fractal achievements and still be level 2, as far as official recognition goes.
Heh, we could even say they’re adding that competition part with the new patch.
I still think them putting those titles in pvp retroactively is wrong as well – albeit, i wasn’t following it at the time, so all i know about those titles is what i read on the wiki (that is, not much). But people there were fighting for the top by design, at least.
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PvP was all about competition and fighting for the top of the leaderboard, though. Fractals never encouraged that.
Yeah, right… When they released a dungeon with “infinite progression”, that was not encouraging us at all to go the further we can…
I do. We are having something taken away from us, so it’s only fair to get something back. ArenaNet did this for PvPers when they removed the qualifying points system and introduced leaderboards – why shouldn’t they do it here? Most dedicated collectors will have missed out on those PvP titles.
As far as I know every single title which has been removed from the game has been fair game prior to its removal. Not a one has been rewarded retroactively. This would change that.
And as has been mentioned previously it’s not as if ANet is stripping you of the rewards you reaped from doing fractals. You still have all that. All you’re losing here is the number since the old progression system no longer applies. To me it seems like a nonissue blown out of proportion in hopes of scoring exclusive digs and that elicits very little sympathy.