Guild Wars 2

You guys make me really confused. What was my old level then? What that number 80 was then? A hallucination?

Everything past 30 gets irrelevant. So was my old level 30 then? I think I will be able to reach that instantly.

Your old level might have been 80, but that should in no way or form be taken into consideration, since it was not possible to get there in a legit way.

I’m sorry, I didn’t know teaming up with people and handpicking a level was an exploit.

The ability to get to said level did require an exploit, even if you personally didn’t use it.

Ooh, so if you party with someone who has ever exploited you are exploiting too. That’s bit harsh but makes sense.

If you are partying with someone to access something that is only available by exploiting I would say that makes you at least somewhat guilty of exploiting yes.

Wethospu.6437:

Ooh, so if you party with someone who has ever exploited you are exploiting too. That’s bit harsh but makes sense.

Accepting that someone in your party uses an exploit to give your party an unfair advantage over others who don’t exploit also makes you an exploiter.

I never knew. I just wanted to have fun and play the game. Just like everyone else.

Oh, so you never even tried a even number Fractal after lvl 48 then?
Because if you did you would have been fully aware that you were not supposed to bypass it.

Cito.1293:

Wethospu.6437:

Ooh, so if you party with someone who has ever exploited you are exploiting too. That’s bit harsh but makes sense.

Accepting that someone in your party uses an exploit to give your party an unfair advantage over others who don’t exploit also makes you an exploiter.

If those were exploits and these people were exploiters they’d be banned months ago. Simple as that. You can’t call it an exploit since Anet is not seeing it as an exploit. Show me 1 official post that make these people exploiters. I’m asking for one.

lordkrall.7241:

Oh, so you never even tried a even number Fractal after lvl 48 then?
Because if you did you would have been fully aware that you were not supposed to bypass it.

I thought it was to make the run shorter.

I consider it a loophole that didn’t offer any advantages. Exploit seems far too harsh for it.

Instabilities are going to be hard, new scales are going be challenging, how many times can you defend senseless decisions?

You are arguing just for the sake of it.

The only instability we saw so far is a real joke. That is no challenge. It might be annoying in the dredge fractal because we kill so many and in cliffside because we’re forced to camp at some points, but challenging? Never.

Fror.2163:

The only instability we saw so far is a real joke. That is no challenge. It might be annoying in the dredge fractal because we kill so many and in cliffside because we’re forced to camp at some points, but challenging? Never.

It was also one of the first, so one can assume it is also one of the easiest.

lordkrall.7241:

Fror.2163:

The only instability we saw so far is a real joke. That is no challenge. It might be annoying in the dredge fractal because we kill so many and in cliffside because we’re forced to camp at some points, but challenging? Never.

It was also one of the first, so one can assume it is also one of the easiest.

One of the first? 1…9…19 It’s not one of the easiest, it should be of medium difficulty. This is not medium difficulty, this is easy. Plus this specific instability forces people to skip…

lordkrall.7241:

Fror.2163:

The only instability we saw so far is a real joke. That is no challenge. It might be annoying in the dredge fractal because we kill so many and in cliffside because we’re forced to camp at some points, but challenging? Never.

It was also one of the first, so one can assume it is also one of the easiest.

It was scale 39. That shouldn’t be one of the easiest but dead center in difficulty.

lordkrall.7241:

Fror.2163:

The only instability we saw so far is a real joke. That is no challenge. It might be annoying in the dredge fractal because we kill so many and in cliffside because we’re forced to camp at some points, but challenging? Never.

It was also one of the first, so one can assume it is also one of the easiest.

Lol one of the first. 9th instability out of 19, definitely one of the first.

The dev pretty much outright said they reset levels to appease people that weren’t that high. They are straight up hurting those that actually enjoyed the content and played it, in order to appease the people who didn’t find it interesting.

This game will always be a casual vs hardcore player battle, and unfortunately, with this staff, casual will always win.

Maybe I should have been clearer: There are 10 more on higher scales that most likely will be harder. And looking at how the Fractals scale over all it does tend to jump quite a bit in difficulty rather drastically later on.

lordkrall.7241:

Maybe I should have been clearer: There are 10 more on higher scales that most likely will be harder. And looking at how the Fractals scale over all it does tend to jump quite a bit in difficulty rather drastically later on.

I really hope your first point is valid, cause the second one isn’t, as shown below.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

We fixed a number of bugs and made lots of balance changes to existing fractals. Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

edited for clarity.

lordkrall.7241:

Maybe I should have been clearer: There are 10 more on higher scales that most likely will be harder. And looking at how the Fractals scale over all it does tend to jump quite a bit in difficulty rather drastically later on.

Nope. You’re actually 100% completely wrong, you have it backwards, it scales less severely.

JMar.3254:

Nope. You’re actually 100% completely wrong, you have it backwards, it scales less severely.

Oh, I would love to see that list of Instabilities, I must have missed it, so please feel free to link it.

I am of course talking about the instabilities not the difficulty of the Fractals as such, which is what the quote is talking about.

lordkrall.7241:

. And looking at how the Fractals scale over all it does tend to jump quite a bit in difficulty rather drastically later on.

Except this is only your assumption from current fractal difficulty and nothing to do with the new scale.

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

Nope. You’re actually 100% completely wrong, you have it backwards, it scales less severely.

Oh, I would love to see that list of Instabilities, I must have missed it, so please feel free to link it.

I am of course talking about the instabilities not the difficulty of the Fractals as such, which is what the quote is talking about.

Oh, so YOU have the list? Lets see it then.

If the instabilities don’t make the levels harder, then the whole update was a 100% complete waste of time, and we should have kept our levels since apparently it’s easier.

durend.6237:

lordkrall.7241:

Maybe I should have been clearer: There are 10 more on higher scales that most likely will be harder. And looking at how the Fractals scale over all it does tend to jump quite a bit in difficulty rather drastically later on.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

We fixed a number of bugs and made lots of balance changes to existing fractals. Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

I really hope your first point is valid, cause the second one isn’t.

Apparently you either missed this or chose not to read it since it proves you wrong krall. So, I’ll just write you off as wanting to argue with wrong information.

durend.6237:

lordkrall.7241:

Maybe I should have been clearer: There are 10 more on higher scales that most likely will be harder. And looking at how the Fractals scale over all it does tend to jump quite a bit in difficulty rather drastically later on.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

We fixed a number of bugs and made lots of balance changes to existing fractals. Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

I really hope your first point is valid, cause the second one isn’t.

The second point is WORD BY WORD from a developer. How is that not valid????

Romo.3709:

durend.6237:

lordkrall.7241:

Maybe I should have been clearer: There are 10 more on higher scales that most likely will be harder. And looking at how the Fractals scale over all it does tend to jump quite a bit in difficulty rather drastically later on.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

We fixed a number of bugs and made lots of balance changes to existing fractals. Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

I really hope your first point is valid, cause the second one isn’t.

The second point is WORD BY WORD from a developer. How is that not valid????

That was durend talking to krall. Krall’s 2nd point is invalind because of what durend linked from the dev. Durend was saying what we all are, krall was wrong and should just stop arguing.

JMar.3254:

Romo.3709:

durend.6237:

lordkrall.7241:

Maybe I should have been clearer: There are 10 more on higher scales that most likely will be harder. And looking at how the Fractals scale over all it does tend to jump quite a bit in difficulty rather drastically later on.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

We fixed a number of bugs and made lots of balance changes to existing fractals. Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

I really hope your first point is valid, cause the second one isn’t.

The second point is WORD BY WORD from a developer. How is that not valid????

That was durend talking to krall. Krall’s 2nd point is invalind because of what durend linked from the dev. Durend was saying what we all are, krall was wrong and should just stop arguing.

Went back and edited to try and clear it up.

JMar.3254:

That was durend talking to krall. Krall’s 2nd point is invalind because of what durend linked from the dev. Durend was saying what we all are, krall was wrong and should just stop arguing.

Oh, I missed that one. But regardless the whole thing is a pitiful excuse for “balancing”. The Leaderboards are just a joke the way they work and how they were the main reason for resetting everyone’s level to level them with general population.
The party setup they had on the stream was just horrid. Considering the fact that the thief obviously never played a thief in fractals before it seem. All thanks to the “great” account bound leveling, we’ll be seeing more of these in game soon… People playing classes they’re completely unfamiliar with in fractal environments because they’re jumping into high levels.
The stream was practically a mocking video trying to show that the fractals at 39 is hard. When you have people unfamiliar with the class in high level fractals, everything is hard. Is that the new “challenging” content they were speaking of?
Never once they mentioned any regret for taking people’s levels away from them nor did they care it seem. When I asked them for official response, they just mentioned leaderboards and how the “fun” can start on equal level for everyone…
This whole thing is just depressing…

Yeah, I agree. Their response was pretty horrid.

“New instabilities start at 30 so we figured that was a good start” or something like that. Nothing even remotely apologetic or sympathetic.

My guess is the average developer fotm level is 20-30, so they choose 30.

JMar.3254:

My guess is the average developer fotm level is 20-30, so they choose 30.

Did you mean “highest”?

JMar.3254:

Yeah, I agree. Their response was pretty horrid.

“New instabilities start at 30 so we figured that was a good start” or something like that. Nothing even remotely apologetic or sympathetic.

My guess is the average developer fotm level is 20-30, so they choose 30.

You can get that from their responses. “Now keep in mind they’re at level 39 right now, so it’s actually really hard.” I was just laughing and crying at the same time…

Romo.3709:

JMar.3254:

Yeah, I agree. Their response was pretty horrid.

“New instabilities start at 30 so we figured that was a good start” or something like that. Nothing even remotely apologetic or sympathetic.

My guess is the average developer fotm level is 20-30, so they choose 30.

You can get that from their responses. “Now keep in mind they’re at level 39 right now, so it’s actually really hard.” I was just laughing and crying at the same time…

Hahaha, Hey now! 39 is really hard if you’re a thief in mismatched gear (zerk thieves are 11k hp right? Not 13k hp) with one weapon set and no trinkets.

That delicious vitality will stop all those AR ticks /s

For the vast majority of the players 39 most likely IS really hard. Keep in mind that not everyone is as awesomely leet as you guys

lordkrall.7241:

For the vast majority of the players 39 most likely IS really hard. Keep in mind that not everyone is as awesomely leet as you guys

It’s about gearing and coordinating, not really that hard. But thanks for the compliment.

JMar.3254:

Romo.3709:

JMar.3254:

Yeah, I agree. Their response was pretty horrid.

“New instabilities start at 30 so we figured that was a good start” or something like that. Nothing even remotely apologetic or sympathetic.

My guess is the average developer fotm level is 20-30, so they choose 30.

You can get that from their responses. “Now keep in mind they’re at level 39 right now, so it’s actually really hard.” I was just laughing and crying at the same time…

Hahaha, Hey now! 39 is really hard if you’re a thief in mismatched gear (zerk thieves are 11k hp right? Not 13k hp) with one weapon set and no trinkets.

That delicious vitality will stop all those AR ticks /s

The dev had:
- 2273 power (buffed)
- 1650 prec => 39% crit chance
- 1108 toughness => 2098 armor
- 1108 vitality => 12725 hit points
- 199 healing power
- 15% steal recharge rate (meaning 15 in Trickery)
- 30% in condition duration (meaning probably 30 in Deadly Arts)
- 0% in Boon Duration (meaning 0 in Acrobatics)
- 945 condition damage (buffed)
- 75% crit damage

Now you can extrapolate his gear and likely build. I’d say it would have been something like 30/10+X/15-X/0/15 with a mix of damage and conditions with a few “survival” gear giving the extra toughness and vitality.

JMar.3254:

It’s about gearing and coordinating, not really that hard. But thanks for the compliment.

And yet the majority of the players most likely don’t have the exact right gear or the coordination.
Especially since most parties on those levels seems to be something like: “LFP Fractals lvl 39, must have EXPERIENCE, Min 40 AR SHOW GEAR, NO NOOBS!”

Why else do you think there are so few people on that level or higher?

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

It’s about gearing and coordinating, not really that hard. But thanks for the compliment.

And yet the majority of the players most likely don’t have the exact right gear or the coordination.
Especially since most parties on those levels seems to be something like: “LFP Fractals lvl 39, must have EXPERIENCE, Min 40 AR SHOW GEAR, NO NOOBS!”

Why else do you think there are so few people on that level or higher?

Because they don’t care enough to invest the time/energy into doing it the best way.
“Experience” = watching youtube vidoes/reading guides
“min 40 AR” = Doing dailies to get laurels and a couple of low level fractal runes for relics.

Neither of these do I consider skill.

ok… you don’t need to watch youtube or guides to be experienced. and 40 AR is easy to get.

yes, neither are skills.

so what is your point?

are you one of those pugs that drag people down with 20 AR in a lvl 35 ?

AR is game mechanic it is necessary to have to do fotm.

Some of you keep throwing exploits arround like nothing. The real exploits get players banned, these are just stuff arena knew exsisted but decided to ignore it, as a simple invisible wall couldn’t fix it. Noone said it was wrong to go past 50, so ppl decided and made the game a bit harder as there is no challenge in game exept soloing some dungeon paths.

pho.9412:

ok… you don’t need to watch youtube or guides to be experienced. and 40 AR is easy to get.

yes, neither are skills.

so what is your point?

are you one of those pugs that drag people down with 20 AR in a lvl 35 ?

AR is game mechanic it is necessary to have to do fotm.

Lol. I think you missed the point. By a longshot.

The last part is also incorrect. Ask anybody 50+

pho.9412:

are you one of those pugs that drag people down with 20 AR in a lvl 35 ?

AR is game mechanic it is necessary to have to do fotm.

It is not necessary at all. Back in the day, before the introduction of pristine relics, when you had to rely on stupid RNG to get your AR, I arrived to lvl 30 with only 5 AR, and i wasn’t getting down (except at Maw, ofc, but you could still survive it with some other ways). AR is only necessary to help you if you can’t dodge well enough.

JMar.3254:

pho.9412:

ok… you don’t need to watch youtube or guides to be experienced. and 40 AR is easy to get.

yes, neither are skills.

so what is your point?

are you one of those pugs that drag people down with 20 AR in a lvl 35 ?

AR is game mechanic it is necessary to have to do fotm.

Lol. I think you missed the point. By a longshot.

Jmar, get your noob Mesmer out of my lvl 48! Your lack of Sunrise disturbs me.

<3

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Jmar, get your noob Mesmer out of my lvl 48! Your lack of Sunrise disturbs me.

<3

I do NOT have a lack of sunrise. There is a warm place in h e double hockeysticks (mod bot, ignore!) for people who waste sunrise on mesmers.

JMar.3254:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Jmar, get your noob Mesmer out of my lvl 48! Your lack of Sunrise disturbs me.

<3

I do NOT have a lack of sunrise. There is a warm place in h e double hockeysticks (mod bot, ignore!) for people who waste sunrise on mesmers.

;P you’re the coolest.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

JMar.3254:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Jmar, get your noob Mesmer out of my lvl 48! Your lack of Sunrise disturbs me.

<3

I do NOT have a lack of sunrise. There is a warm place in h e double hockeysticks (mod bot, ignore!) for people who waste sunrise on mesmers.

;P you’re the coolest.

You’re the swellest =)

trash posting while game updates guys….

The topic slowly getting buried and forgotten… We fought well, you guys. Regardless the fact that it accomplished nothing, at least we had the guts to fight for our rights.

Not even one developer post. Thanks for “reading” our feedback.

Hey, they always said they were “gathering feedback”. They never said they’d
- read it
- use it
- act upon it
- reply to it