Guild Wars 2

TPMN.1483:

Would I have stopped at FoTM lvl 30 if I had known about this. – ABSOLUTELY.
I still feel extremely angry about this release and how the player base has been treated over this release.

The “19 levels you lost” are not the same levels any more.
19 levels which you already ran are now inaccessible. Due to the Mistlock Instability, the new 19 levels aren’t quite comparable.

What about the armor which actually nobody lost? If people can complain about that why can’t we when we actually lost something?

Carighan.6758:

The “19 levels you lost” are not the same levels any more.
19 levels which you already ran are now inaccessible. Due to the Mistlock Instability, the new 19 levels aren’t quite comparable.

True, they are even more faceroll.

haviz.1340:

Carighan.6758:

The “19 levels you lost” are not the same levels any more.
19 levels which you already ran are now inaccessible. Due to the Mistlock Instability, the new 19 levels aren’t quite comparable.

True, they are even more faceroll.

This time 1000 from what I read everywhere.

Wethospu.6437:

What about the armor which actually nobody lost? If people can complain about that why can’t we when we actually lost something?

They won’t let us ask in peace probably because they are too petty to admit that anet’s handling of this was extremely wrong and unfair, so they don’t want to contradict their past posts. Instead of not posting they still vehemently deny that any wrong actually happened, and thus they are reinforcing their past ideas to compensate.

Better release fast no matter how many bugs there might be to avoid the need to comment on complaints. “We wanted to do something but it is too late now.”

It doesn’t matter if the last 19 or 20 levels were not the same,
All people are going to do in a few weeks is lvl 50!

People will level up there personal level to 50 this way.
They will be skipping all the difficult instabilities and not seeing most of the content.
People will see one instability (lvl 50).

It’s still equity lost.
I don’t see the point – I really don’t.

There is nothing stopping another reset down to lvl 30 again in 6 months (with no warning) .
I would like ANET to give an iron cast guarantee that they will not do another equity loss like this again.

Note: WvW are going to account bound – let’s see if they reset your WvW ranks to lvl 10 (this is another form of equity loss). This for many people would be a massive loss of WxP points.

The whole episode has been very badly handled, badly thought out and poorly implemented.

TPMN.1483:

It doesn’t matter if the last 19 or 20 levels were not the same,
All people are going to do in a few weeks is lvl 50!

People will level up there personal level to 50 this way.
They will be skipping all the difficult instabilities and not seeing most of the content.
People will see one instability (lvl 50).

It’s still equity lost.
I don’t see the point – I really don’t.

There is nothing stopping another reset down to lvl 30 again in 6 months (with no warning) .
I would like ANET to give an iron cast guarantee that they will not do another equity loss like this again.

Note: WvW are going to account bound – let’s see if they reset your WvW ranks to lvl 10 (this is another form of equity loss). This for many people would be a massive loss of WxP points.

The whole episode has been very badly handled, badly thought out and poorly implemented.

They wouldn’t dare reset WvW levels because they care about that player base. Every day there are Dev posts in the WvW forums…that is one of their babies. Lets face it, we were the minority. Maybe if this increases popularity of fractals it wont happen again next time….but the point of this excersize was to get more people playing fractals to the detriment of the ones that had been playing fractals.

Its just like watching the “CDI” on the classes. Some classes (Necro, Warrior, Thief) got a ton of posts by the devs, and some (Guardian) got one post in the 2 week “Cooperative” development cycle. It just doesn’t seem that the minority class’s, or parts of the game are ever actually heard. The Guardian class section gave some real constructive feedback on what could improve guardian, in this forum we gave some real constructive feedback (for a large portion of it) on what they could do to satisfy Fractal players…both were ignored.

I understand it when they say they do not post in “inflammatory” topics…but this one didn’t become inflammatory until they DIDN’T post.

I still believe in this game. It is still the best one out there for me. But they have already lost a couple friends of mine, and they will lose me also as soon as something better comes along. They lost my loyalty the minute they showed they were no longer loyal to me….which was these last two weeks by showing they just don’t care about ALL of their players…only some of them.

Moshari.8570:

They wouldn’t dare reset WvW levels because they care about that player base. Every day there are Dev posts in the WvW forums…that is one of their babies.

Oh thats quite funny.
Because over there people are always complaining about the lack of Dev posts.

lordkrall.7241:

Oh thats quite funny.
Because over there people are always complaining about the lack of Dev posts.

That’s even more funny considering there were 0 dev posts in more than half year in dungeons subforums, can they say the same thing?

Well, this thread has 17 pages and only 1 dev post saying “please stay calm”… Not really sure that they care about our issue either.

Moshari.8570:
They wouldn’t dare reset WvW levels because they care about that player base. Every day there are Dev posts in the WvW forums…that is one of their babies.

Unfortunately I thought they wouldn’t dare reset FOTM – they did.
Nothing saying they won’t reset WvW ranks and you will not lose WxP.

ANET has been constantly increasing the grind, increasing the effort required and resetting the equity required to progress to the same level (just look at the infused recipes not giving +5 AR inherently now, Halloween recipes – these are many examples made in the last two months).

The goal posts are moving far too rapidly for my liking.

@TPMN.1483:
How is the reset of the levels “increasing the grind”?

I think we need to agree on what we consider a grind, because if a game offers me an option to go and kill 1 million skritt, that doesn’t constitute a grind for me, even if it teases me with a title for doing it (anyone remember Tuskarrmageddon? :P ).
Yet, if a game forced me to do that so I can partake in comparatively central elements of the game (read: the gear-treadmill we all know from games like WoW-TBC and earlier, where you needed X gear to get Y gear which you then needed to get Z gear so you could actually raid the current raid tier), then it becomes a grind.

FotM isn’t “grinding”, because it’s a multi-floor dungeon (they are popular in many games) which is optional. I do it as I enjoy it, I stop when I no longer enjoy it.
Likewise, WvW isn’t grinding, unless the abilities ever become so required that warfare is no longer possible without everyone being lvl50+ or something.

The reset doesn’t actually reset me in any way, because there’s no perceivable achievement I “lost”. Or rather, what I lost is not only immaterial outside of GW2, it feels immaterial inside GW2, too.
I didn’t even lose bragging rights, although I give people that they should have added an achievement with a title for those who had lvl50++ when the patch happened.

The biggest issue for me is that I want to play difficult content. And to reach that I have to play lower scales. If I understood your definition correctly you would classify that as a grind.

The grind has increased to get the higher amounts of ‘AR’ : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Improvements-to-infused-gear-5-AR-missing

People now have to work much harder (if starting from the new) to get to the same point many of us are already at with AR 50/55 that can do lvl 50 right now.

You also have to rework back to lvl 50 to get to the same previous loot table. = increased grind to get what you had access to before via daily chests.

Carighan.6758:

How is the reset of the levels “increasing the grind”?

We already went through a time gate to get to 50/80. We now have to go through another time gate to get back to 50. People who didn’t go through the first one, are on the same level as those that did.

Also, I had to do level 30 last night, which felt exactly the same as the last time I got 30, even had swamp>Urban>Shaman

JMar.3254:

Also, I had to do level 30 last night, which felt exactly the same as the last time I got 30, even had swamp>Urban>Shaman

You’re not gonna believe me but I had swamp->urban->dredge, also same as the last 30 I’ve done.

On the side note, why there are 4 fractals in the first pool? Everyone rolls swamp anyway.

To make sure that no one plays kraits ever.

I’m really glad to see that there aren’t as many people devaluing us here.
Really good to see.
As for the grind to fractals, yeah. I don’t have as much time to play anymore, so I’ll be stuck at 30 for a while. It’s a grind for me. I will miss my weekend 48s, that I used to do with friends. Now they are grinding to get to 50. Will they have any interest in going below their level to go with me to 30, 40, then eventually 50? Likely not, it’ll take 10-20 weeks for me to grind the levels I lost, and that’s if I fotm every time I sign on.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I’m really glad to see that there aren’t as many people devaluing us here.
Really good to see.
As for the grind to fractals, yeah. I don’t have as much time to play anymore, so I’ll be stuck at 30 for a while. It’s a grind for me. I will miss my weekend 48s, that I used to do with friends. Now they are grinding to get to 50. Will they have any interest in going below their level to go with me to 30, 40, then eventually 50? Likely not, it’ll take 10-20 weeks for me to grind the levels I lost, and that’s if I fotm every time I sign on.

If they decide to do dailies at certain scales, like 48 or 49, you can join them and skip all the instabilities, all the way to that scale.

Ironic when you look at the argumentations of people here.

haviz.1340:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I’m really glad to see that there aren’t as many people devaluing us here.
Really good to see.
As for the grind to fractals, yeah. I don’t have as much time to play anymore, so I’ll be stuck at 30 for a while. It’s a grind for me. I will miss my weekend 48s, that I used to do with friends. Now they are grinding to get to 50. Will they have any interest in going below their level to go with me to 30, 40, then eventually 50? Likely not, it’ll take 10-20 weeks for me to grind the levels I lost, and that’s if I fotm every time I sign on.

If they decide to do dailies at certain scales, like 48 or 49, you can join them and skip all the instabilities, all the way to that scale.

Ironic when you look at the argumentations of people here.

That’s true. I should try that hehe. Definitely skipping the 43 and 44? The damage ones. Lol

haviz.1340:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I’m really glad to see that there aren’t as many people devaluing us here.
Really good to see.
As for the grind to fractals, yeah. I don’t have as much time to play anymore, so I’ll be stuck at 30 for a while. It’s a grind for me. I will miss my weekend 48s, that I used to do with friends. Now they are grinding to get to 50. Will they have any interest in going below their level to go with me to 30, 40, then eventually 50? Likely not, it’ll take 10-20 weeks for me to grind the levels I lost, and that’s if I fotm every time I sign on.

If they decide to do dailies at certain scales, like 48 or 49, you can join them and skip all the instabilities, all the way to that scale.

Ironic when you look at the argumentations of people here.

I don’t have much time to play there. Are the rewards still scaled #1-#5 | #6-#0 as and daily chest by what overall tier you’re in?

With that and them making every level a daily, you could just pick you’re favorite instability for the reward tier you want to get.

I also see that as the biggest benifit to not having much playtime right now: the ability to skip boring instabilities by playing with people higher then me…. assuming I even bother, haven’t seen many that look particularly exciting or challenging.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

haviz.1340:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I’m really glad to see that there aren’t as many people devaluing us here.
Really good to see.
As for the grind to fractals, yeah. I don’t have as much time to play anymore, so I’ll be stuck at 30 for a while. It’s a grind for me. I will miss my weekend 48s, that I used to do with friends. Now they are grinding to get to 50. Will they have any interest in going below their level to go with me to 30, 40, then eventually 50? Likely not, it’ll take 10-20 weeks for me to grind the levels I lost, and that’s if I fotm every time I sign on.

If they decide to do dailies at certain scales, like 48 or 49, you can join them and skip all the instabilities, all the way to that scale.

Ironic when you look at the argumentations of people here.

That’s true. I should try that hehe. Definitely skipping the 43 and 44? The damage ones. Lol

yes, the only thing stopping you is AR. so really once people hit 50, you can play whatever level you like.

on the flip side, i find it interesting that people who just want their challenge back plan to skip the more difficult instabilities.

I guess they need to have some special titles for people who have beaten all the instabilities from 31-50.

That said, i think they could have given the old 31-50s a title or mask or something.

Ah yeah I have 55 ar so I’m good

It would be different if I actually had time to play. Challenges would be nice then.

phys.7689:

on the flip side, i find it interesting that people who just want their challenge back plan to skip the more difficult instabilities.

Yes, me too.

phys, maybe he wants the challenge in the appropriate order, making 43-44 after 49-50 ;-)

It’s like when a network broadcasts episode 4 before 3, when it’s broadcast you actually don’t know, but you understand when you see 3 afterwards. So all subsequent watchers can watch 3 before 4.

haviz.1340:

phys.7689:

on the flip side, i find it interesting that people who just want their challenge back plan to skip the more difficult instabilities.

Yes, me too.

there is a difference between “difficult” and “tedious”

dragging out dredge fractal by forcing the group to halt dps for 20~ seconds (scale 43) isn’t hard. It just takes a long boring fractal and makes it even longer.

Compared to scale 60+ where it did take longer due to more health, but there was a much larger threat of damage from the dredge, making the partys DPS, teamwork and CC all that more important.

Fror.2163:

phys, maybe he wants the challenge in the appropriate order, making 43-44 after 49-50 ;-)

It’s like when a network broadcasts episode 4 before 3, when it’s broadcast you actually don’t know, but you understand when you see 3 afterwards. So all subsequent watchers can watch 3 before 4.

She *

But actually it’s more of the fact that having to reduce damage will lengthen the fractal time. I just don’t have that amount of time, at once, to play the game. My husband gets very jealous of the game if I’m on for too long, so I would never be able to finish it.

Sorry, I didn’t know you’re a woman.

Regarding the text, yes, I know, I read above: I’m only playing the devil’s advocate. :p

Fror.2163:

Sorry, I didn’t know you’re a woman.

Regarding the text, yes, I know, I read above: I’m only playing the devil’s advocate. :p

Lols
The second part was directed at Phys

durend.6237:

there is a difference between “difficult” and “tedious”

dragging out dredge fractal by forcing the group to halt dps for 20~ seconds (scale 43) isn’t hard. It just takes a long boring fractal and makes it even longer.

Compared to scale 60+ where it did take longer due to more health, but there was a much larger threat of damage from the dredge, making the partys DPS, teamwork and CC all that more important.

Is it? Dredge with new instability is surely challenging.

haviz.1340:

durend.6237:

there is a difference between “difficult” and “tedious”

dragging out dredge fractal by forcing the group to halt dps for 20~ seconds (scale 43) isn’t hard. It just takes a long boring fractal and makes it even longer.

Compared to scale 60+ where it did take longer due to more health, but there was a much larger threat of damage from the dredge, making the partys DPS, teamwork and CC all that more important.

Is it? Dredge with new instability is surely challenging.

haven’t done it yet, so I can’t say for sure. But from what I’m reading I here 43 is just “you have to stop fighting for a bit while waiting for the debuff to vanish/heal” drags out the fight, but you only have level 43 dredge attacking you – which according to a mod post were scaled down (once again, haven’t had time to run this yet no clue how truthful that post was)

compared to fights 60+ that would probably be just as long due to larger health pools/stats, but that stat increase let them hit you harder in turn.

So with what I’m reading I see it as less hard – longer fights with weaker attacks as opposed to longer fights with stronger attacks.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal, so what do you know about the company that we don’t? They compensated those with the infinite tools, despite those people not actually losing anything, and they really didn’t actually have to do that. What made this case different? I’m seriously wondering where the difference is.

What compensation are we talking about here? I have infinite tools and I don’t recall anyone compensating me for anything. Unless you mean the conversion from soulbound to account bound. If that’s what we’re talking about then, yeah, that’s because of the potential use of real money. Since they changed how the tools work, and real money could have been used to buy them, they were obligated to ensure anyone who got them could convert them.

If we’re talking about something else, I don’t know it, and I haven’t gotten anything for it. Granted I also haven’t even bothered to convert my tools cause I don’t have any intention of trading them between characters.

This is why I keep explaining that you’re using the word Equity wrong. So is the guy in that article, though he is fairly clever in trying to connect the dots between your home and your game. He’s still wrong about what equity actually is. It has nothing to do with your time or your knickknacks or anything like that. It has to do with actual physical and definable value, not intangible emotional value.

Your Fractal level has no value except that intangible emotional one. That can’t be monetized and therefore can’t be effectively used to gauge the worth of doing anything. Some people, like you guys, care deeply about it. Others don’t care nearly so much and just move forward to play the game.

Is it worth putting in the effort to appease maybe ten people when thousands more just accepted it and moved on?

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal, so what do you know about the company that we don’t? They compensated those with the infinite tools, despite those people not actually losing anything, and they really didn’t actually have to do that. What made this case different? I’m seriously wondering where the difference is.

What compensation are we talking about here? I have infinite tools and I don’t recall anyone compensating me for anything. Unless you mean the conversion from soulbound to account bound. If that’s what we’re talking about then, yeah, that’s because of the potential use of real money. Since they changed how the tools work, and real money could have been used to buy them, they were obligated to ensure anyone who got them could convert them.

If we’re talking about something else, I don’t know it, and I haven’t gotten anything for it. Granted I also haven’t even bothered to convert my tools cause I don’t have any intention of trading them between characters.

This is why I keep explaining that you’re using the word Equity wrong. So is the guy in that article, though he is fairly clever in trying to connect the dots between your home and your game. He’s still wrong about what equity actually is. It has nothing to do with your time or your knickknacks or anything like that. It has to do with actual physical and definable value, not intangible emotional value.

Your Fractal level has no value except that intangible emotional one. That can’t be monetized and therefore can’t be effectively used to gauge the worth of doing anything. Some people, like you guys, care deeply about it. Others don’t care nearly so much and just move forward to play the game.

Is it worth putting in the effort to appease maybe ten people when thousands more just accepted it and moved on?

It’s not as simple as only 10 people, but I digress.

The tools thing was this, people bought several of the tools for their alts (one person bought 23 in total). They were mad when the tool became account bound and wanted compensation for the ones they bought extra soul bound. They got it, basically no questions really asked.

And okay, our level, fine we’ll just pretend that you’re right since you’re not giving it up, though I certainly feel you’re wrong. Courts find equity in things like pain and suffering, loss of family members, and things that are actually priceless. It’s a subjective sort of thing, but again, this isn’t my point ATM.

How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?

Lilith Ajit.6173:

How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?

That tools things is stupid and those people shouldn’t have gotten anything at all. I’m totally on board with that. I really can’t imagine why they gave in to that one at all, let alone is short order. They wanted a tool for each of their characters, so they bought one for each. That was wrong.

As for your Fractal Items. That’s a tough one. Since they’re level 80 and transmuting level 80 items required the rarer and typically purchased item it’s tougher, but I think I have to go with no. I know it sucks, but the same goes for every other level 80 item with a unique appearance. Dungeon and Cultural items for instance. They’re not skins, so you first have to buy them, then transmute them.

They’re fixing a mistake that didn’t have options at the time. Skins weren’t really introduced until later. I’m hoping they’ll apply them to all types of items in the future, but I won’t feel put off for the number of Crystals I would therefore have wasted by transmuting all those pieces of level 80 gear. Be happy that it will be easier to deal with in the future, and consider the cost the price of having them early in the life of the game.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?

That tools things is stupid and those people shouldn’t have gotten anything at all. I’m totally on board with that. I really can’t imagine why they gave in to that one at all, let alone is short order. They wanted a tool for each of their characters, so they bought one for each. That was wrong.

As for your Fractal Items. That’s a tough one. Since they’re level 80 and transmuting level 80 items required the rarer and typically purchased item it’s tougher, but I think I have to go with no. I know it sucks, but the same goes for every other level 80 item with a unique appearance. Dungeon and Cultural items for instance. They’re not skins, so you first have to buy them, then transmute them.

They’re fixing a mistake that didn’t have options at the time. Skins weren’t really introduced until later. I’m hoping they’ll apply them to all types of items in the future, but I won’t feel put off for the number of Crystals I would therefore have wasted by transmuting all those pieces of level 80 gear. Be happy that it will be easier to deal with in the future, and consider the cost the price of having them early in the life of the game.

Well, this isn’t the case for me, but for people who reached lvl 80 they pretty much had all if the fractal weapons they could have wanted, and transmuted all of them. So they don’t have a “future” use for skins. They used the crystals. Now others who get the weapons don’t have to.

I just feel like they are catering to certain groups, but completely ignoring us. Why do the infinite tool people get what they want, but we’re not even spoken to? Why does it take 5 pages of complaints about the flame kissed armor for them to act, but 40+ pages of complaints about this doesn’t get a response.

This is why we are mad at people like you for arguing with us. These pages of complaints might have gotten a response if you hadn’t spent so much energy devaluing our claims… We might have gotten something, instead, we get ignored.

you don’t like it? you can git out!

just kidding, but I’ve already gotten over it.

rozcinana.7249:

you don’t like it? you can git out!

just kidding, but I’ve already gotten over it.

Cool for you.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This is why we are mad at people like you for arguing with us. These pages of complaints might have gotten a response if you hadn’t spent so much energy devaluing our claims… We might have gotten something, instead, we get ignored.

Does that actually seem even remotely reasonable? Do you think there weren’t just as many people “devaluing” the claims of the infinite tool complaints? Really? That’s how it works. Someone comes up with a thing to complain about and someone else points out why it’s silly, or why it won’t work. In very few cases is a thing so reasonable that no one speaks against it, and do you know what happens with those? Still usually nothing. I didn’t keep your precious “compensation” from being a reality. It simply wasn’t going to happen.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This is why we are mad at people like you for arguing with us. These pages of complaints might have gotten a response if you hadn’t spent so much energy devaluing our claims… We might have gotten something, instead, we get ignored.

Does that actually seem even remotely reasonable? Do you think there weren’t just as many people “devaluing” the claims of the infinite tool complaints? Really? That’s how it works. Someone comes up with a thing to complain about and someone else points out why it’s silly, or why it won’t work. In very few cases is a thing so reasonable that no one speaks against it, and do you know what happens with those? Still usually nothing. I didn’t keep your precious “compensation” from being a reality. It simply wasn’t going to happen.

There weren’t. I actually followed those threads. So…. Yeah.

I’m just saying you guys didn’t have to make it difficult for us to ask. You guys didn’t have to devalue us.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This is why we are mad at people like you for arguing with us. These pages of complaints might have gotten a response if you hadn’t spent so much energy devaluing our claims… We might have gotten something, instead, we get ignored.

Does that actually seem even remotely reasonable? Do you think there weren’t just as many people “devaluing” the claims of the infinite tool complaints? Really? That’s how it works. Someone comes up with a thing to complain about and someone else points out why it’s silly, or why it won’t work. In very few cases is a thing so reasonable that no one speaks against it, and do you know what happens with those? Still usually nothing. I didn’t keep your precious “compensation” from being a reality. It simply wasn’t going to happen.

There weren’t. I actually followed those threads. So…. Yeah.

I’m just saying you guys didn’t have to make it difficult for us to ask. You guys didn’t have to devalue us.

I disagree. I consider it my responsibility to speak against things I don’t believe in. I would have spoken against that thread too if I’d seen it, but it most likely occurred on a forum I don’t go to.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This is why we are mad at people like you for arguing with us. These pages of complaints might have gotten a response if you hadn’t spent so much energy devaluing our claims… We might have gotten something, instead, we get ignored.

Does that actually seem even remotely reasonable? Do you think there weren’t just as many people “devaluing” the claims of the infinite tool complaints? Really? That’s how it works. Someone comes up with a thing to complain about and someone else points out why it’s silly, or why it won’t work. In very few cases is a thing so reasonable that no one speaks against it, and do you know what happens with those? Still usually nothing. I didn’t keep your precious “compensation” from being a reality. It simply wasn’t going to happen.

There weren’t. I actually followed those threads. So…. Yeah.

I’m just saying you guys didn’t have to make it difficult for us to ask. You guys didn’t have to devalue us.

I disagree. I consider it my responsibility to speak against things I don’t believe in.

Well, good day then. I can see there really is no discussion here. You didn’t feel the need to do the same to those asking for compensation for their gathering tools, nor the whole armor fiasco, but for some reason, this matters to you, so meh.

Good day, sir.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?

That tools things is stupid and those people shouldn’t have gotten anything at all. I’m totally on board with that. I really can’t imagine why they gave in to that one at all, let alone is short order. They wanted a tool for each of their characters, so they bought one for each. That was wrong.

They shouldn’t have? That was the only possible outcome, according to some people in this forum.

Ethics.4519:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?

That tools things is stupid and those people shouldn’t have gotten anything at all. I’m totally on board with that. I really can’t imagine why they gave in to that one at all, let alone is short order. They wanted a tool for each of their characters, so they bought one for each. That was wrong.

They shouldn’t have? That was the only possible outcome, according to some people in this forum.

A coin can only land on heads. Obviously.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This is why we are mad at people like you for arguing with us. These pages of complaints might have gotten a response if you hadn’t spent so much energy devaluing our claims… We might have gotten something, instead, we get ignored.

Does that actually seem even remotely reasonable? Do you think there weren’t just as many people “devaluing” the claims of the infinite tool complaints? Really? That’s how it works. Someone comes up with a thing to complain about and someone else points out why it’s silly, or why it won’t work. In very few cases is a thing so reasonable that no one speaks against it, and do you know what happens with those? Still usually nothing. I didn’t keep your precious “compensation” from being a reality. It simply wasn’t going to happen.

There weren’t. I actually followed those threads. So…. Yeah.

I’m just saying you guys didn’t have to make it difficult for us to ask. You guys didn’t have to devalue us.

I disagree. I consider it my responsibility to speak against things I don’t believe in.

Well, good day then. I can see there really is no discussion here. You didn’t feel the need to do the same to those asking for compensation for their gathering tools, nor the whole armor fiasco, but for some reason, this matters to you, so meh.

Good day, sir.

I only follow three forums, Suggestions, Rangers, and the latest Living Story. Those didn’t take place in those forums, this one did.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This is why we are mad at people like you for arguing with us. These pages of complaints might have gotten a response if you hadn’t spent so much energy devaluing our claims… We might have gotten something, instead, we get ignored.

Does that actually seem even remotely reasonable? Do you think there weren’t just as many people “devaluing” the claims of the infinite tool complaints? Really? That’s how it works. Someone comes up with a thing to complain about and someone else points out why it’s silly, or why it won’t work. In very few cases is a thing so reasonable that no one speaks against it, and do you know what happens with those? Still usually nothing. I didn’t keep your precious “compensation” from being a reality. It simply wasn’t going to happen.

There weren’t. I actually followed those threads. So…. Yeah.

I’m just saying you guys didn’t have to make it difficult for us to ask. You guys didn’t have to devalue us.

I disagree. I consider it my responsibility to speak against things I don’t believe in.

Well, good day then. I can see there really is no discussion here. You didn’t feel the need to do the same to those asking for compensation for their gathering tools, nor the whole armor fiasco, but for some reason, this matters to you, so meh.

Good day, sir.

I only follow three forums, Suggestions, Rangers, and the latest Living Story. Those didn’t take place in those forums, this one did.

Then I wish the thread had stayed in the dungeon or the general discussion forum.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Ethics.4519:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?

That tools things is stupid and those people shouldn’t have gotten anything at all. I’m totally on board with that. I really can’t imagine why they gave in to that one at all, let alone is short order. They wanted a tool for each of their characters, so they bought one for each. That was wrong.

They shouldn’t have? That was the only possible outcome, according to some people in this forum.

A coin can only land on heads. Obviously.

Unless we discuss alternate realities of course.

JMar.3254:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Ethics.4519:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?

That tools things is stupid and those people shouldn’t have gotten anything at all. I’m totally on board with that. I really can’t imagine why they gave in to that one at all, let alone is short order. They wanted a tool for each of their characters, so they bought one for each. That was wrong.

They shouldn’t have? That was the only possible outcome, according to some people in this forum.

A coin can only land on heads. Obviously.

Unless we discuss alternate realities of course.

Quantum fizzics ftw.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

JMar.3254:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Ethics.4519:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?

That tools things is stupid and those people shouldn’t have gotten anything at all. I’m totally on board with that. I really can’t imagine why they gave in to that one at all, let alone is short order. They wanted a tool for each of their characters, so they bought one for each. That was wrong.

They shouldn’t have? That was the only possible outcome, according to some people in this forum.

A coin can only land on heads. Obviously.

Unless we discuss alternate realities of course.

Quantum fizzics ftw.

I’m still very glad that the armor got such a quick and appropriate response, while this issue continues to be in discussion.

Although I would not like to see “Nope, sorry guys, this is in the best interest of the game”, it would still be better than silence.

I can only assume that there is as much debate in meetings as there is on the forums

Ethics.4519:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

JMar.3254:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Ethics.4519:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?

That tools things is stupid and those people shouldn’t have gotten anything at all. I’m totally on board with that. I really can’t imagine why they gave in to that one at all, let alone is short order. They wanted a tool for each of their characters, so they bought one for each. That was wrong.

They shouldn’t have? That was the only possible outcome, according to some people in this forum.

A coin can only land on heads. Obviously.

Unless we discuss alternate realities of course.

Quantum fizzics ftw.

I’m still very glad that the armor got such a quick and appropriate response, while this issue continues to be in discussion.

Although I would not like to see “Nope, sorry guys, this is in the best interest of the game”, it would still be better than silence.

I can only assume that there is as much debate in meetings as there is on the forums

I sure hope so….

I hope they’re not just in their meetings, laughing at us….